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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: weytf on 22 May 2018, 11:51
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'ello there everyone... I've been lurking here for a while as I have a new GTI on the way! It's Pure White, 3 door (I may live to regret that...) Dynaudio and non-PP.
Anyway. I've been looking out for updates on this year's build week changes, and popped onto the online configurator for a lark... Correct me if I'm wrong, but it would appear that the 230ps non-PP car is no longer available?
I think I missed out on that change by a matter of weeks, damnit!
Anyway. Pleasure to make your acquaintance, everybody!
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Yes, non-PP GTI now deleted... as is the manual gearbox on the R.
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I went for the three door (I liked the look better). I discussed it with the wife first as we have two young children and my son still needs a seat with a harness. We tried putting the cars seats in a used 3 door they had on the forecourt and it seemed fine so I placed the order.
I have to say its so far not been an issue. There is more room in the back than my last car, a 5 door 3 series BMW, and in a lot of respects its easier with the kids. My daughter is old enough climb in herself and with my son I just climb into the back and put him in his seat. I'm 6ft and can comfortably stand in the back and fix him in. It also means there are no door handles and windows for them to play with.
There are obviously downsides like if you need to let anybody out, but when I thought about it me and all my mates had 3 door cars when we were young and we never thought anything about it.
I guess it just depends on personal choice and circumstances.
I actually choose the non-pp DSG over a manual PP. again it was just personal choice keeping within a budget, but its still fantastic and is more than capable enough for my driving style.
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Good to know, ne0. I've not got sprogs, but I'm changing (upgrading) from a 5-door A-Class, so have convinced myself that I'd miss the back doors (despite hardly ever needing to use them!).
I've also gone DSG. I can't think of a single reason why I'd want a manual for a daily driver!
3 weeks to go. I'M SO EXCITED!
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Welcome to the forum :cool:
You won’t be disappointed with the 230ps DSG.
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Hmm wonder what this means for my order.
Ordered a non-PP GTI on Saturday and still waiting on the build info/tracker info from the dealership. The delivery date I got given was 28th Sept :huh:
I’m going to chase up this afternoon and see if they know.
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You could be really very lucky, Colh! Got my fingers crossed for ya :)
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Any idea what’s changing?
I got lucky with the one I’m trading in. Got an upgraded infotainment with CarPlay and engine went from 122ps to a whopping 125ps with no price increase.
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Can't tell you anything other than what I've seen on the configurator - no more 230ps engine available, only the PP at 245ps.
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Hmm wonder what this means for my order.
Ordered a non-PP GTI on Saturday and still waiting on the build info/tracker info from the dealership. The delivery date I got given was 28th Sept :huh:
Well, the announcement to the dealers was in mid April 2018.... I don't know when the configurator changed but almost certainly I'd say that the order will be rejected by the factory if its a brand new build and hasn't got a build date yet (which it won't...because that it 4 weeks before its built). If you are getting delivery end of September, it will have a build week around end of August - definitely after the end of July swap of production.
If they are calling off in flight production, maybe not.
Definitely go check!
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This is the response I got from @vwukhelp
Hi Col, Golf GTI orders have ceased temporarily as our factories prepare for the global switch to WLTP: volkswagen.co.uk/owners/wltp. It may be worth registering your interest with a Retailer so they can advise when this is available again.
Waiting to hear from dealership. Will be tomorrow now.
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You’d have thought that the members on here connected with VW would have known about a change like this??! :rolleyes:
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You’d have thought that the members on here connected with VW would have known about a change like this??! :rolleyes:
How do you think I knew? I don't work for VW.... I visit this really good forum though, I'll send you a link if you like...
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Sorry to have hijacked your thread.
Dealer hasn’t submitted the order yet. I’ve not said any more as I expect them to be sorting something out once they get the rejection from VW.
Hey ho. Never plain sailing with new car purchases
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I had wondered if they would drop the price a little bit on the PP version when they deleted the non PP version, but looking at the web configurator its exactly the same price as before.
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I've also just bought a 3 Door :grin:
Personally I think they look so much better than the 5 doors, sorry to P Off most of the members here, please forgive me :smiley:
Also I went for the non PP.
Reasons being;
1. I dont think you need the fancy diff unless you intend to take it to a track...
2. It's extra weight, and something else to go wrong when it's out of warranty.
3. the extra 15hp is nothing, probably just covers the extra weight, that's why the 0-60 times are almost the same.
4. Brakes...OK bigger brakes would have been nice and the GTI on the calipers is cool,,,but hey, the standard brakes are perfectly good enough...
5. 7 Speed box...well the 6 speed DSG box is great,and been proven to be very reliable, maybe the 7 speed is better, or maybe its more complicated, I'm not sure on this one..
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This is disappointing as I was about to pull the trigger on a standard GTI.
I do not want or need a PP - I assume it will be noisier, drink more fuel and cost more to insure.
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It might use a bit more fuel due to the extra weight..but then the 7 speed box should make up for that.
It won't be any noisier..
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This is disappointing as I was about to pull the trigger on a standard GTI.
I do not want or need a PP - I assume it will be noisier, drink more fuel and cost more to insure.
The insurance difference will be negligible if anything at all.
It’s the same basic engine with a very slight tweak to the ECU and extra cruising gears to make motorways less thirsty on fuel. It’s not like an R which has loads of differences to the same basic engine and does use quite a bit more fuel.
The better brakes and diff make the PP well worth the extra money.
You don’t have to be a boy racer to get the benefit out of both.
The exhaust, turbo and everything else on the PP is the same as the regular GTI. It’ll be no noisier and in fact quieter cruising with the extra gear.
There’s always the option of the Polo GTI too...
With the WTLP coming in and the mk7(.5) production on a wind down I guess VW are just rationalising the range. There will be some good deals to be had later this year as they clear the last of the production stock.
Welcome btw
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PP also has extra 15 lbft of torque as well as 15 extra ps.
Power to weight ratio of PP is higher than non PP, but how much of a difference that makes in everyday driving is debatable. Strangely the PP DSG has a marginally lower CO2 rating than non PP DSG (144 v 145).
I do think the diff makes a notable difference when accelerating out of tight corners and the brakes are reassuring.
All in all, I think the PP option was/is a no-brainer and the extra cost is likely to be re-couped at re-sale time.
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I personally think that it's better to spend that £1000 (+ the sale of the Parkers) on a set of lightweight alloy wheels.
That makes a bit difference imo..
Also the Eibach pro kit has definitely sharpened up it's handling...i really don't think you need that diff unless you are a proper boy racer :)
But of course it's all just our opinions..
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Thanks for the replies - sorry, was having a moan...... Insurance/fuel I can live with. I'd be buying a GTD if I was that bothered.
'7 speed'? I'd be after a manual so I assume same 6 speed box?
Noise was/would be a concern - if its the same as the standard car then would be ok.
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Tbh...i wouldn't worry too much about it...if it's a good deal then go for it...both versions are truly awesome...
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You’d have thought that the members on here connected with VW would have known about a change like this??! :rolleyes:
How do you think I knew? I don't work for VW.... I visit this really good forum though, I'll send you a link if you like...
Aren’t you a clever boy Fred. Didn’t see anything on here about the 230ps GTI being dropped from the range and I would have thought that would have been a hot topic since this is a GTI forum.
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I appreciate the PP is a great car. Can the 'exhaust noise' that's piped into the cabin be turned off? Isn't the ride a bit trashier than the standard GTI?
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It's exactly the same car so why would the ride be trashier? Yes the fake sound can be turned off or down if you choose but you'll need vcds or obd11.
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You’d have thought that the members on here connected with VW would have known about a change like this??! :rolleyes:
How do you think I knew? I don't work for VW.... I visit this really good forum though, I'll send you a link if you like...
Aren’t you a clever boy Fred. Didn’t see anything on here about the 230ps GTI being dropped from the range and I would have thought that would have been a hot topic since this is a GTI forum.
Very friendly response!
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Thanks mcmaddy (you can probably tell I'm new to the GTI world....). Is the fake sound the same in the PP as the standard car or is it ramped up a bit more?
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The soundaktor noise is the same in both, essentially the GTi and pp GTi are exactly the same apart from the pp gets bigger brakes all round, has the LSD and 10bhp more. Everything else is exactly the same.
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Cheers mcmaddy
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dont forget the 7 speed box, if its a DSG...
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dont forget the 7 speed box, if its a DSG...
Oh yes forgot about that. Used ones both have 6 dsg but new ones will have the newer 7dsg 👍
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I appreciate the PP is a great car. Can the 'exhaust noise' that's piped into the cabin be turned off? Isn't the ride a bit trashier than the standard GTI?
The soundaktor noise is the same in both, essentially the GTi and pp GTi are exactly the same apart from the pp gets bigger brakes all round, has the LSD and 10bhp more. Everything else is exactly the same.
McMaddy has it spot on there.
The Clubsport is different again.
It’s fractionally noisier under full acceleration and has harsher springs.
It’s thirstier and more to insure (fractionally)
The GTI and PP are very sanitised and the soundaktor can be switched down or switched out.
It actually sounds ok on Eco with other settings put into Sport or Normal.
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Thanks guys. I was all set to order a standard GTI manual with DCC (and a few other bits) but that option appears to have gone now. I had the impression that the PP was a bit more lairy but as long as it rides and sounds the same (I'm getting on a bit...) should hopefully be fine.
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....will a VW dealer disable the soundaktor if you ask?
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I've got a manual pp with DCC and a few other added extras and it's a fantastic car. Being older as someone rudely pointed out on here the other day (44 to be exact) shouldn't make any difference either car is great but for the extra I'd highly recommend the pp (it's all you can order now anyway).
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....will a VW dealer disable the soundaktor if you ask?
Probably not but depending where you are someone will be able to do it for you with vcds or obd11 or you could just disconnect the cable under the windscreen.
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Thanks mcmaddy - I test drove a standard GTI and the sound was ok, so I guess I'll live with it/get used to it.
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Discontinuation of non-PP GTi was originally discussed here
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=283033.10
Reply #18 onwards
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The soundaktor noise is the same in both, essentially the GTi and pp GTi are exactly the same apart from the pp gets bigger brakes all round, has the LSD and 10bhp more. Everything else is exactly the same.
15bhp more and the new exhaust differences that we discussed in the other thread :wink:. The 245ps Performance has a throatier exhaust but no one seems to know why, it could be a different style cat since it doesn’t pop on gearshift anymore.
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Thanks for the link. I did see another thread from UK dealer mentioning a week 31 change to MY19, but no details of the changes.
Seems a bit weird that the dealers wouldn’t be on top of this. Mine was unconcerned about putting in the order yesterday despite there clearly being a block on new orders for the standard GTI.
I’d take a free upgrade to the PP if needed though :grin:
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Very curious to see how this one plays out, Col! Keep us informed :)
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I honestly don't see the point of DCC,
It's a lot of money and the non DCC cars ride so well that I just see the point,
Unless you really feel the need for 19" wheels then OK, but aside from that I wouldnt bother.
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I tried both DCC and non-DCC cars and noticed the difference. And a lot of 'on line' reviews recommend it. But it is individual taste - depends what you have driven before and are used to.
Interestingly, on line brokers are still quoting the standard GTI.
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The soundaktor noise is the same in both, essentially the GTi and pp GTi are exactly the same apart from the pp gets bigger brakes all round, has the LSD and 10bhp more. Everything else is exactly the same.
15bhp more and the new exhaust differences that we discussed in the other thread :wink:. The 245ps Performance has a throatier exhaust but no one seems to know why, it could be a different style cat since it doesn’t pop on gearshift anymore.
7.5 pp has slightly bigger bore of exhaust but not sure by how much or if it would make that much difference.
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I honestly don't see the point of DCC,
It's a lot of money and the non DCC cars ride so well that I just see the point,
Unless you really feel the need for 19" wheels then OK, but aside from that I wouldnt bother.
It just gives you options depending on how you feel. If you want a more sportier drive it stiffens the dampers, steering is heavier and throttle response is sharpened. If you want a more sedate drive then suck it in comfort mode. Might seem expensive to some but I think it's worth it and so do the majority of motor journalists if you look at all the write ups.
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yeah i appreciate that, but I find the non dcc is perfectly comfortable, but also fine for more spirited driving too :),
My one has been lowered and I still think its comfortable.
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Just checked with a dealer - can now only order PP DSG. Looks like I will have to lower my expectations and go A3.... :angry:
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The VW configurator still has GTI PP manual as available...
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Yeah it does, but I've been told you can't. I would maybe have taken a standard one with DSG but not the PP.
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this is no reason not to get a Golf :smiley:
The Performance version is brilliant....go for it !
TBH, if I could turn back time, I would have gone for it, thinking about it, that £1000 is nothing for what you get....the more modern 7 speed box, the bigger brakes with the GTI logo, the diff (which I admit will strengthen its re sale value),
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I honestly hadn't realised that the non-pp got a 6speed DSG! I think it's because before I ordered, I'd actually ordered a Polo GTI, and that gets the 7speed. You'd kind of assume they wouldn't let the Polo out spec the golf...
Unfortunately it would've been a 12 month wait for it to arrive, so I noped out of that one!
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They haven't,
The Polo will be the weaker 7 speed "dry" box, whereas the GTI Performance gets the 7 speed "wet" box..
The "wet" box can handle more power & torque than the "dry" box..
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Ace, thanks for sharing. I'm assuming the 6-speed DSG is also a wet box?
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Yeah it does, but I've been told you can't. I would maybe have taken a standard one with DSG but not the PP.
Hmmm the details from Evo on here said that it was DSG only on the R and the GTD.... not the GTI (PP or not).
Which didn't make sense at the time. Logically though...
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I honestly hadn't realised that the non-pp got a 6speed DSG! I think it's because before I ordered, I'd actually ordered a Polo GTI, and that gets the 7speed. You'd kind of assume they wouldn't let the Polo out spec the golf...
Unfortunately it would've been a 12 month wait for it to arrive, so I noped out of that one!
The DSG in the new Polo GTI is a 6 speed, not 7 speed.
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Yes, 6 speed DSG's are wet boxes.
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Just been in the dealers and they are unconcerned and also none the wiser about any blocks to orders. They said the order is in and waiting on confirmation from the factory. So, wait and see at the moment.
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Hi all
First time posting :smiley:
I too am interested in a 5 door manual non-pp GTi. Today I had an online chat with VW UK.
The operator I spoke to confirmed- “Thanks for your patience. I have spoken to the IT team who are updating this vehicle on the configurator which is why it is not showing. You are still able to order one.“
No date was given when the configurator would be updated but was directed to the latest brochure as to what cars and options were available to order.
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/golf-vii-pa/which-model/brochures
Now have to wait for factory to confirm order.
Cheers
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What exactly is putting you off ordering a 245 DSG even though you would order a 230 DSG if it was still available?
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For me personally I was looking for a “all rounder”. Something that could be fun when I am on my own, but also comfortable and safe when driving the family around. I didn’t need the extra hp or anything else which potentially could go wrong. I also went ‘old school’ as prefer the manual box interaction rather than the DSG. Very personal thing depending on what you are looking for/need.
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Spoke to dealership again today.
They have been told that the standard GTI won’t be available to order until end of July and no guarantee on delivery dates.
Got them looking for an in stock or on order car in Black, indium grey or Issac blue at the moment. Next fallback is to dsg which is about £35 a month more, or to PP at about the same increase.
Alternatively as the equity on my trade in is minimal, I look for non VAG.
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Colh - did the dealer say why no orders until end of July?
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Same as @vwukhelp told me.
Golf GTI orders have ceased temporarily as our factories prepare for the global switch to WLTP: volkswagen.co.uk/owners/wltp. It may be worth registering your interest with a Retailer so they can advise when this is available again.
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So did the dealer suggest that the PP version (manual) could be ordered now and delivered earlier?
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Only that they’d check what was available by the end of the day. Guess what. Past 7pm and no call. Think I’ll be cancelling off my own back.
They admitted that they had days off and training so didn’t place the order themselves last week, but didn’t check it had been done. VW confirmed it wasn’t available 22/5 so they’ve either sold a car that they should have known wasn’t available, or they didn’t place the order between 19/5-22/5 and missed the cutoff. No idea when it actually came off sale though. Can you tell I’m not impressed?
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Yeah, sure can and agree with you. Appears to be very bad communication between VW, dealers and customers at the moment. I also don’t understand why they took the standard GTi off the configurator while their IT department update it! Seems to indicate the spec is changing (but seriously how long does that take?) or I have been told a lie. If the spec was charging wouldn’t also the PP version change?
It is frustrating as I also might need to look elsewhere or I will potentially be without a car. Just some honest answers would be good.
I also received an email from VW UK today...
“I am sorry that you could not find the information that you were looking for on our website. We are in the process of updating the website and we hope to have the site working as normal in the very near future.
The Volkswagen Golf GTI is still open for order, full details can be found on the latest Price List and Brochure. Please find further details via the following link: https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/golf-vii-pa/which-model/brochures”
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Interestingly, VW uk were promoting the GTI on twitter on 17/5.
https://twitter.com/UKVolkswagen/status/997061667727921152?s=20
I “ordered” 19/5 :angry:
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I've not had much success with VW or dealers in trying to get a straight answer either. I work in a 'client facing' job - if I carried on like that I'd be down the road, sharpish.
I may look at an A3 now.
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Just found this article.
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-entry-level-vw-golf-gti-has-sold-out-and-it-may-not-return/
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Interesting that one comment mentions a price cut for the PP. I’ll believe that one when I see it :grin:
Only other place I’ve seen mention of the PP becoming standard is in some Australian articles searching for MY2019 on google.
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I don't know why I didn't consider the 'Gulf' between the two GTIs as being a potential reason before... that actually makes a whole lot of sense! I asked a chap in the dealership why anybody should choose the Golf over the Polo GTI when the equipment and power are so close, yet the price is so far apart. He had no answer!
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'Cos inside it looks like a Seat, that's why.
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I did consider the Polo GTI but I’ve gone off the looks. It just looks a bit fat. And not keen on that weird extra bit of coloured trim above the front grill. The seat Ibiza just looks so much more sharp than the Polo.
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Plus I don’t personally think the Polo spec is that close to the Golf.
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Plus I don’t personally think the Polo spec is that close to the Golf.
Agreed. Even the top spec Polo GTI+ doesn't get sat nav, climate control or the Winter Pack. That's £1,350. Then there's the things you can't spec on the Polo like the Golf's multi-link rear suspension and dynamic rear indicators.
Currently Drive The Deal are offering £2,650 off the Polo GTI+, but £5,429 off a 5 door Golf GTi PP DSG. So the £9k starting difference is actually more like £6k if you haggle hard. About 30% more cash for just over 20% more power. But that also includes on the Golf the fancy diff and the uprated brakes. You could also argue the Golf is better finished off inside despite being essentially a 6 year old product.
The next Golf GTi is due in a couple of years time, that's probably going to increase the gap to the Polo in terms of size, tech, power and......price!
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In fairness I did actually sit in a new Polo before I ordered it (I originally ordered a Polo GTI+, but the 12month wait put me off somewhat), and found the cabin quality plenty good enough! I'm driving an A-Class at the moment, and I'd rate the cabin quality as 'okay', though not excellent - and especially not for the money.
I've not actually sat in a Golf since the MK IV - so my delivery on Tuesday (yay!) is especially exciting!
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VW confirmed it was not available to order when I ordered one.
Hi Col, this was initially announced on the 18th of May; some Retailers may still have been able to fulfil orders made after that point if they had already ordered in stock vehicles as well as orders assigned to individual customers.
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Another day down and no closer to my GTI.
Dealer reckons no manual GTIs available in black or grey, and my only option is to go for the PP.
Until I pressed him on where he checked. Only Jardine Motors stock, not UK wide. So he’s back on the hunt with other dealers stock.
They were also trying to rush me on the date, as the £1500 VWFS deposit contribution ends today, and they suggested it was dropping to £750 tomorrow.
Will see what happens. Decision to go ahead or not tomorrow I think.
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Another day down and no closer to my GTI.
Dealer reckons no manual GTIs available in black or grey, and my only option is to go for the PP.
Until I pressed him on where he checked. Only Jardine Motors stock, not UK wide. So he’s back on the hunt with other dealers stock.
They were also trying to rush me on the date, as the £1500 VWFS deposit contribution ends today, and they suggested it was dropping to £750 tomorrow.
Will see what happens. Decision to go ahead or not tomorrow I think.
You could always look at nearly new, plenty of choice on Autotrader and enjoy a massive saving at the same time.
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Nearly new was my first option but a 6 month old car with 6000 miles was more than new offer price, and on PCP was £80 a month more. So would go down the PP route before that at the moment
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Nearly new was my first option but a 6 month old car with 6000 miles was more than new offer price, and on PCP was £80 a month more. So would go down the PP route before that at the moment
Yeah that was the same with me. I originally started looking at nearly new, but it actually worked out more than a brand new car due to the zero contribution from VW and the much higher finance interest rate.
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Nearly new is expensive if you are looking at (VW) finance.
Worse interest rates by quite a way.
Plus you might get more or less car than you actually wanted.
Plus side is that the car is available sooner.
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Given that the PP has a longer delivery time is it not worth waiting until the standard GTI is available at end of July and order exactly what you want?
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Dealer has found one to my spec in the UK not another dealership. If they don’t sell it this weekend then it’s mine. The other one obviously wants to keep their prospective customer happy.
If I get it, it will be this month instead of Sept or later!
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Col - what spec are you after?
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Absolutely nothing special :huh:
Standard GTI, 5 door, manual, Black.
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You should have plenty of choice - I'm after one with DCC. No chance.
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They are all "hard" to find, even "standard" 5 door manual in black because that is a choice between 3 doors and 5 (about 25% will be three door), manual vs DSG (about 30% will be manual) and black is certainly not the most popular colour out of ~10 different colour choices - probably 10%. Then there is the possibility of dozens of different extras which you don't want. Probably 90% of the cars out there have some other extra added.
Nothing "easy" about your spec... and then it needs to be in the part of the Uk that you are prepared to travel too...
I'd do the mathematical probability but my brain hurts too much!
Definitely slim chances though.
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Good news. GTI sorted. Should get it in a 2-3 weeks, and got a holiday in between so hardly any time at all.
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Thats good Col, what are you getting?
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Standard non-PP, manual in deep black pearl.
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That's excellent, Col! Did they find one to your spec laying around then? Did they give you any cash off for your trouble?
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Nearly new was my first option but a 6 month old car with 6000 miles was more than new offer price, and on PCP was £80 a month more. So would go down the PP route before that at the moment
Yeah that was the same with me. I originally started looking at nearly new, but it actually worked out more than a brand new car due to the zero contribution from VW and the much higher finance interest rate.
It really does depend on timing. I got a slightly older but slightly lower mileage PP for far less than a new one. Admittedly it was about 3 months or so before the 7.5 introduction, there was a used offer on and I didn't need PCP, but it can be done. Even if you don't have the cash to hand, nothing stopping you (currently) from settling up and taking advantage of the better finance rates elsewhere.
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I'm not interested in PCP deals or rates - I just can't find a car....
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I'm not interested in PCP deals or rates - I just can't find a car....
I wouldn't get hung up on DCC.
I had it on my last Mk7 GTD and I don't have it now on my Mk7.5 GTD.
Of course I understand what it does, but I haven't missed it one jot!
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I really don't think you need you need DCC.
In fact I don't think you need any extras :)
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It's not so much me, more others I have to transport... I have driven with/without and found it a noticeable difference.
On the subject of extras, while I like the tartan seats, the trim around the central arm rest and doors that goes with it seems a bit cheap and not in keeping with a £30k car. If I do end up putting in a factory order, I'll go for Art Velours which adds faux leather to these bits.
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In the 3 years and 75k+ I travelled I can't say there was ever a single passenger who could tell the difference between the DCC modes. Seriously! They used to ask me what it was, so I showed them and they couldn't tell the difference. Not even car enthusiast friends. You can tell as the driver because you are more connected with the car, but as a passenger.
Maybe its different if you are on 19's but...
I'd tell them that you had it and have it switched to comfort... they won't know the difference.
Its not like a Golf GTI has suspension like a go kart, I'd say its the least hard suspension you'll find on anything with a warm/hot label.
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I’m lowered on 19s with no DCC and I find the ride perfect and not harsh at all.
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I'm lowered on 18's and I find it just fine.
Its because the chassis is so good.
And you've got to have Tartan seats, it's a Golf GTI :grin:
Btw, I've had my GTI for about a month now, and the only "maybe" regret I have regarding extras is not getting the Performance version.
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Why do you regret no getting the PP?
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definitely the better and better looking brake calipers, I really notice this now I've changed the wheels.
I mean it costs about £1000 at least to get a brake upgrade.
But also the better Diff, the 7 speed DSG box, and people apparently the exhaust is different, sounds better ???
So just seems a lot of upgrade for £1000.
It's the only extra I would consider.
But saying that, I don't think you need that diff, not unless you drive like Jeremy Clarkson :), I find that it flys rounds corners as it is, and also it's something else that could go wrong in years to come.
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It definitely grips and goes, that's for sure! Though I did get a little more sideways that I would've liked yesterday. Need to remember that a set of < 100 mile tyres aren't going to be the stickiest!
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true.
btw, I noticed a big improvement in road noise when I changed my tyres, I'm now on Goodyear efficientgrip performance.
But I do honestly think that the best "extra" is to get lightweight wheels and better tyres, this has made an incredible difference. Also Eiback Pro Kit, that's awesome.
Anyway, I cant change to a Perfomance version now, so I'm gonna have to pay out for a Brake upgrade.
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The dealer had was originally going down the factory order route as they had none in their group available or on order. When factory became a no go, I asked them to look around other dealer networks and they found one in the UK that was available. It was then just waiting on the other dealer agreeing to sell it to my dealer.
Always an option to try that if the dealer says none available.