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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Mk7 rzy on 06 February 2018, 11:09
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Hi guys,
I'm hearing a lot of people mention that the PP is must when choosing? I've only recently bought my GTI and it's stock/without the PP. I love every minute of it, especially since I've come from a N/A 1.2 Polo.
What's everyone's thoughts? Do you feel like you missed out without the PP?
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No PP. No regrets.
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The PP was a no brainer for me in terms of cost because of the upgraded brakes and the VAQ (i.e. "LSD"). It would cost well in excess of £1000 to retrofit these, but that's not to say the non-PP car isn't worthy of the GTI name.
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No PP. No regrets.
Good to hear!
The PP was a no brainer for me in terms of cost because of the upgraded brakes and the VAQ (i.e. "LSD"). It would cost well in excess of £1000 to retrofit these, but that's not to say the non-PP car isn't worthy of the GTI name.
If I had the option (and funds) to buy new, I would have opted for it also. I asked VW if they could retrofit the performance pack features on, but they said no :undecided:
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If you've never had it, you probably won't miss it.
Much like DCC, its better technically, its definitely something but is it worth 1k? That's a lot of money.
I think the vagueness that you are missing out on a tenth a lap is why people get drawn in.
Without it, you'll still love it.
If you can afford it, why not. Better brakes is a sound idea even if you can't specifically measure the results each day.
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If you've never had it, you probably won't miss it.
Much like DCC, its better technically, its definitely something but is it worth 1k? That's a lot of money.
I think the vagueness that you are missing out on a tenth a lap is why people get drawn in.
Without it, you'll still love it.
If you can afford it, why not. Better brakes is a sound idea even if you can't specifically measure the results each day.
Thanks! Feel better about my choice now :grin:
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Hi guys,
I'm hearing a lot of people mention that the PP is must when choosing? I've only recently bought my GTI and it's stock/without the PP. I love every minute of it, especially since I've come from a N/A 1.2 Polo.
What's everyone's thoughts? Do you feel like you missed out without the PP?
I wouldn't worry...the only reason the PP gets the extra power is to offset the extra weight of the "R" brakes & the FDL (VAQ)..
You can retro fit the FDL unit, but it will cost you an arm & a leg & you have to open up the gearbox case....
Think of the PP as all singing & all dancing.....the non PP as more stripped back & "analogue"....
horses for courses...
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I have the 2016 Gti built to my spec it's without PP and tbh I think it's a fantastic car as is.. :whistle:
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I specced the PP on mine and whilst I don't regret it, it was a luxury. I've not driven a non PP car, but I can guarantee that 99% of the time in normal daily driving (IE, not 'spirited') you'll never notice the difference.
I did (partly) get mine as I knew I was putting aftermarket 19" wheels on and thought the standard brakes might look a bit 'weedy' behind them, but that definitely wasn't the most important factor in my decision... probably!
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Having spent 6 months with a 7.5 without pp and collecting a 7.5 pp on 1st March, I will be able to give a real comparison with long term experience soon!
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I specced the PP on mine and whilst I don't regret it, it was a luxury. I've not driven a non PP car, but I can guarantee that 99% of the time in normal daily driving (IE, not 'spirited') you'll never notice the difference.
I did (partly) get mine as I knew I was putting aftermarket 19" wheels on and thought the standard brakes might look a bit 'weedy' behind them, but that definitely wasn't the most important factor in my decision... probably!
Yeah I checked the brakes last night and they are quite weedy hidden behind my Austins :nerd:
I don't intend on upgrading the brakes or the alloys, quite happy with the stopping power so far. I am wanting an exhaust upgrade soon though :whistle:
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I also have a non PP golf. I admit that the beefier brakes would have been nice, as would the diff, but that's coming from an astra vxr with a drexlar diff and brembos. It is still a fantastic handling car ! Correct me if I'm wrong, but the mk6 wasn't available at all with an lsd bar the xds, and it was a great car too.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the mk6 wasn't available at all with an lsd bar the xds, and it was a great car too.
Yeah you're right, I believe the LSD came into play only in the Mk7
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No PP for me either on my 7.5 and didn't ever really consider speccing it. The GTi is driven 90% of the time by my wife who would gain nothing from PP so for me it would have been pointless.
Put the extra money into getting non purple paint and nice wheels :grin:
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I also have a non PP golf. I admit that the beefier brakes would have been nice, as would the diff, but that's coming from an astra vxr with a drexlar diff and brembos. It is still a fantastic handling car ! Correct me if I'm wrong, but the mk6 wasn't available at all with an lsd bar the xds, and it was a great car too.
If you had ordered the PP & come from an Astra VXR with Brembos & a Drexlar diff you might have been disappointed ...
The PP brakes are the statdard "R" ones which do the job, but are cast iron sliding fist single piston & would weigh twice the ammount of those Brembos...which would be nice & light weight & at least 4 pots
& the PP VAQ is an Electro-hydraulic Front Diff Lock & not a mechanical LSD like the Drexlar....two completly different animals trying to achive the same result, but with different reactions & feel if compared side by side in the same situation...
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No PP for me either on my 7.5 and didn't ever really consider speccing it. The GTi is driven 90% of the time by my wife who would gain nothing from PP so for me it would have been pointless.
Put the extra money into getting non purple paint and nice wheels :grin:
She wanted purple? That would have been interesting... :shocked:
I like the Austins that are stock, what have you gone for?
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The PP brakes are the statdard "R" ones which do the job, but are cast iron sliding fist single piston & would weigh twice the ammount of those Brembos...which would be nice & light weight & at least 4 pots
That's interesting. I never knew they were like that... particularly the single piston. That's not as good as I expected.
Even the R's Performance Pack brakes are just lighter calipers on the front, keeping the single pot.
Disappointing really TBH.
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That's interesting. I never knew they were like that... particularly the single piston. That's not as good as I expected.
Even the R's Performance Pack brakes are just lighter calipers on the front, keeping the single pot.
Disappointing really TBH.
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The new performance pack for "R" just uses the same calipers as the old "R"..they just paint them silver & give you the two peice discs from the CCS...& those are badly designed as the internal vanes rotate the same as from the same blank, so one disc the vanes rotate the wrong way & the disc gets hot...
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Are aftermarket discs like that too??
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In Sweden there is only the PP for sale the last 10 years. Because it is such cheap option. And if you want some similar to retrofit it cost 3times as much... :smiley:
But think the Non is also a great car! :smiley:
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If you were to retrofit even the OEM parts your insurance company would charge you a fortune too, because they are gits.
It seems with pretty much anything on a Mk7.x golf, spec it up front or suffer. I guess that's modern cars for you. I'd doubt if any other OEM's vehicles are any different these days.
I'd love to fit a really top notch brake set and I have thought about doing it to many cars we've owned over the years, but the cost of doing it and the extra insurance just makes it a crazy idea.
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"If you had ordered the PP & come from an Astra VXR with Brembos & a Drexlar diff you might have been disappointed ...
The PP brakes are the statdard "R" ones which do the job, but are cast iron sliding fist single piston & would weigh twice the ammount of those Brembos...which would be nice & light weight & at least 4 pots
& the PP VAQ is an Electro-hydraulic Front Diff Lock & not a mechanical LSD like the Drexlar....two completly different animals trying to achive the same result, but with different reactions & feel if compared side by side in the same situation...
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The brembo brakes were great, as was the lsd. The Astra was such a heavy car though that the golf feels much more nimble in comarison. A nice set of ap brakes or something similar would be fantastic on it. Do you know if wavetrac or quaiffe do an lsd retrofit?
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Google suggests either Quaiffe or Wavetrac are possible with the latter being superior...
£2500 supplied and fitted for the Wavetrac maybe?
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The brembo brakes were great, as was the lsd. The Astra was such a heavy car though that the golf feels much more nimble in comarison. A nice set of ap brakes or something similar would be fantastic on it. Do you know if wavetrac or quaiffe do an lsd retrofit?
Wavetrak do a MK7 LSD...the MK7 gearbox is the same (02Q) as the MK6 & previous, just with minor revisions
http://www.wavetrac.net/application.htm
& they do DSG versions..better than the quaife for pre-load....
Brakes...
https://www.vagbremtechnic.com/vw/golf-mk7-5g-2014-onwards/
take your pick but a good set up would J hooks.& not too big a disc to hinder alloys..
https://www.vagbremtechnic.com/front-brake-kit-4-piston-brembo-calipers-options-for-discs-bk0012/
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If you went with those upgraded fronts, would you need to do anything to the rears or are they over braked already?
Would setting up the balance be hard?
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The brembo brakes were great, as was the lsd. The Astra was such a heavy car though that the golf feels much more nimble in comarison. A nice set of ap brakes or something similar would be fantastic on it. Do you know if wavetrac or quaiffe do an lsd retrofit?
Wavetrak do a MK7 LSD...the MK7 gearbox is the same (02Q) as the MK6 & previous, just with minor revisions
http://www.wavetrac.net/application.htm
& they do DSG versions..better than the quaife for pre-load....
Brakes...
https://www.vagbremtechnic.com/vw/golf-mk7-5g-2014-onwards/
take your pick but a good set up would J hooks.& not too big a disc to hinder alloys..
https://www.vagbremtechnic.com/front-brake-kit-4-piston-brembo-calipers-options-for-discs-bk0012/
Thank you :) I have never seen the j hooked pattern on discs before. Seems like a good upgrade and one I would definitely consider :)
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If you went with those upgraded fronts, would you need to do anything to the rears or are they over braked already?
Would setting up the balance be hard?
leave the rears as OTT...
So long as the pistons total capacity is the same as the OEM then the balance/pressure is not affected that much....
The "R" & therefore the PP & CSS are all the same callipers....& total capacity is more then the GTI which uses the same callipers as the lower models.
So there are is a different master cylinders/servo...for the R/PP/CSS....
But so long as you stay within the OEM size fro your car then a 4 pot with correct sized pistons will be fine