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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: mkviken on 19 December 2017, 19:31
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seen a few delivery miles clubsport's for sale, all the same spec with pretty much every option except pretorias
they seem to have come room ireland
they seem pretty good value - has anyone bought one?
they only have a 2yr warranty - can this be extended to 3year uk warranty?
can you apply for a number plaque from VW UK? will it be worth less come sale time and will it be classed as an import?
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Funny, there's a few Clubsports for sale here in Ireland and they're clearly UK cars, or originally intended for the UK market. You can tell from the clocks (MPH).
Have you a link to any of the cars you mean? If they're Irish (or were intended for the Irish market) then they'd have KPH-only clocks. Generally speaking standard Irish spec is a little better than you guys get though, e.g. Nav would be pretty much standard in all of them.
This one for example, for sale over here looks like it was a UK car: https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/used-2017-171-volkswagen-golf-gti-clu-wexford-fpa-3941971943822025370
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I'll have to ask my sister but from what I understand she either didn't pay for Prets or they were included in the deal.
I know Irish cars didn't have a number though, but then either did UK car until they got here.
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Prets were an option here, bundled with those semi slick tyres and DCC if I recall correctly, making it a horrendously expensive (~ 4K) option to spec here.
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https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201711111158273?onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&price-from=27500&keywords=clubsport&radius=1500&postcode=dh46gp&sort=distance&advertising-location=at_cars&model=GOLF&make=VOLKSWAGEN&aggregatedTrim=GTI&page=1
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201712041798545?sort=distance&radius=1500&price-from=27500&postcode=dh46gp&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&make=VOLKSWAGEN&model=GOLF&aggregatedTrim=GTI&advertising-location=at_cars&keywords=clubsport&page=1
these appear to have UK clocks
there are maybe 6 of these for sale in various garages. all the same spec
all seem to have DCC, nav pro, pan roof, bucket and dynaudio and winter pack
i have a buyer for my clubsport s and would consider changing to a clubsport 40 but not are if these would be harder to insure and sell on in the future.
i wonder if VW would allocate it with a number too?
will miss the CSS as it is a special car and superb to drive but would maybe get more use of out of a more regular car.
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They are certainly a very nice spec, which is good. You would have to check with VW Customer Service, but I very much doubt whether you'll get a plaque. Also, an extended VW warranty might be a problem, but if it is, there are other warranty providers. You'll definitely have to declare to your insurance that it is an import, but I don't know if that'll affect your premium? Also, resale may be a bit of an issue, it's unlikely they will have the value of a UK car? From a personal point of view, I wouldn't buy one, I would buy a proper late registered UK car, but I can see how the spec and prices of the imports are tempting.
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I don’t really see why it would impact the resale much - if at all? Minor Warranty concerns aside maybe.
It has a great spec, on par or better than standard U.K.? It has UK clocks, which is odd - not sure how that happened if it wasn’t originally a uk destined car...
So overall, come resale, most people wouldn’t know or care... they all come from the same factory at the end of the day.
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If I may ask, what are the main reasons of it not being used? Is it its limited practicality due to two less seats and doors or a change in circumstances?
Regarding the "atmosphere" and the looks inside and out I think you'd like a CS40 very much since visually and aesthetically everything is exactly the same: the alcantara trims and steering wheel, the Recaro buckets, all the sporty details here and there. Finding a manual over a DSG might be harder but I'm a DSG guy so I won't write that down as a negative :tongue:
Driving wise I think for 90% of the time or more you'd be hard pressed to tell a difference, especially if you plan to use it more for daily driving as you say you'd like to do. The CS is already a tighter and more agile (and more powerful) car than the GTI and it feels so. For that last tenth where the CSS would drive better there are easy ways to address the issue if getting the exact same feeling is a top priority and that's obviously swapping the appropriate items with CSS ones. I believe hub carriers with their extra camber are the most critical suspension part to get to the CSS feeling, the aluminium front sub frame is not a bad choice either. There are lists with the bespoke CSS items at various forums so you could take it from there if those upgrades are still not enough. Good thing is the parts are a straight fit and as OEM as it gets.
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I test drove one of these cars a few weeks ago. Amazingly I went to a dealer who originally had 25 of these cars in. He had 6 left when I went.
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The 2 seats doesn’t really bother me I swapped a lotus for the CSS
I have a daily driver as does my wife and the thought of putting the kids in my ‘good’ car every day doesn’t appeal!
The problem I have with the CSS is ones with over 1000 miles on aren’t selling and are massively cheaper than low miles ones
It’s a case of don’t use it in fear of losing on it or use it and lose out a lot.
I test drove the ed40 when it first came out and liked it. I think the biggest difference between the 2 are the cup2 tyres obviously and the suspension set up.
I think it’s prob 85% what the CSS is. The suspension on the S is superb
Basically the ed40 is near enough the same but I would be happy to use it and leave it on the driveway and put the kids in when needed
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I enquired about one of these, I was surprised they had UK clocks.
Once my assumption that the car was an import my interest faded.
Cars like this struggle with resale, you should declare to the insurance company it is an imported car, despite them all coming from Germany. Is the security exactly as specified by UK insurers?
I would steer clear of one now unless it was really cheap, but happily buy one after maybe 7-10 years when you will be buying it on condition and at a lower value.
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Good point re security... the factory alarm is not standard in Irish GTI's.
But the MPH clocks still have me convinced that these are actually UK spec cars that made their way to the UK (eventually) via Ireland (or someplace else).
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If you look at the VIn number and in the service schedule booklet.
Under the "Equipment" section mine has;
BON: Component parts set complying with vehicle type for Great Britain.
I assume it says something different here for non UK spec cars?
If there is so much confidence these cars are UK spec, why is there only a 2 year warranty? I appreciate the dealer carries the 3rd year on from the 2 VW underwrite.
New VW's being sold by a Honda dealer as well, seems odd to me?
Even though they are under £30k, it is still a lot of money for me to spend on something that has fallen down in my pre purchase due diligence!
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New VW's being sold by a Honda dealer as well, seems odd to me?
"Denton Cars - With over 30 years of personal experience Frank Greenway has built outstanding customer loyalty and strong reputation through his exceptional knowledge, impartial advice and commitment to customer service. Starting with Austin Rover franchise for the Skipton area, the business quickly grew and the Volkswagen franchise was added in 1993. In 2014 the Volkswagen business was sold. Now joined by his sons, the business will specialise in quality used vehicles."
Just someone who knows how well Golfs sell and is chancing their arm having got some stock from some sort of Auction I'd guess.
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New VW's being sold by a Honda dealer as well, seems odd to me?
"Denton Cars - With over 30 years of personal experience Frank Greenway has built outstanding customer loyalty and strong reputation through his exceptional knowledge, impartial advice and commitment to customer service. Starting with Austin Rover franchise for the Skipton area, the business quickly grew and the Volkswagen franchise was added in 1993. In 2014 the Volkswagen business was sold. Now joined by his sons, the business will specialise in quality used vehicles."
Just someone who knows how well Golfs sell and is chancing their arm having got some stock from some sort of Auction I'd guess.
Good luck to them, I have no experience of the dealership and certainly nothing negative to say.
As mentioned I felt it was too much to spend without everything lining up as I would expect on a delivery mileage car.
It is interesting, there are still quite a few CS around, with delivery mileage CS-S no doubt being offered on a sale/return basis by dealers, I wouldn't be surprised to see a bit of a correction or alignment of prices in 2018?
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The 2 seats doesn’t really bother me I swapped a lotus for the CSS
I have a daily driver as does my wife and the thought of putting the kids in my ‘good’ car every day doesn’t appeal!
The problem I have with the CSS is ones with over 1000 miles on aren’t selling and are massively cheaper than low miles ones
It’s a case of don’t use it in fear of losing on it or use it and lose out a lot.
I test drove the ed40 when it first came out and liked it. I think the biggest difference between the 2 are the cup2 tyres obviously and the suspension set up.
I think it’s prob 85% what the CSS is. The suspension on the S is superb
Basically the ed40 is near enough the same but I would be happy to use it and leave it on the driveway and put the kids in when needed
I see. Personally, putting money on a car as an investment never made sense to me, probably because for that amount of money I'd choose more traditional investment options. But I think there is some contradiction here or you're not really sure what you're after. If you insist on seeing the CSS as an investment (a view that I don't share) then I guess you have to keep it in the garage hoping its price goes up and be happy with that and buy something else for your fun, but not sell it. Most investments need time and patience after all. If you enjoy the car as you say you do then just go ahead and enjoy it and again not sell it. Selling is an option only assuming that you don't want to worry about how its value will evolve and want to get rid while losing little money (or none depending on your achieved sale price).
I think it's also too soon to realize which factors affect resale value and by how much. With just a year after production cease naturally low mile examples will be selling for more, but you don't know whether in 5 years time they will be still selling for that much more than average miles CSS's or even worse low/average miles CS's. It's a gamble.
You're right, in my previous post I forgot the tires which are a big aspect as well. So basically, PSC2 and hub carriers and CSS camber settings and I think if you were in a manual 3-door CS you wouldn't be able to tell the difference for 99% of the time.
However, I think the best choice at the moment would be hands down a PS4S for basically anything out there that is not track-exclusive. Practically all the performance of a PSC2 with all the usability and high (as in better) wear index of a PSS. Phenomenal performance on the wet also. I just keep reading so many amazing things about that rubber and how it introduces all the latest innovations from Michelin that I'll probably switch to 19" alloys just to be able to run it.
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I didn’t buy my car as an investment but did buy it in the hope that after having some fun in it for 2 Years it wouldn’t depreciate badly.
It seems ones with miles on have depreciated quite a bit where the normal edition. 40 seem fairly level
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https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201711111158273?onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&price-from=27500&keywords=clubsport&radius=1500&postcode=dh46gp&sort=distance&advertising-location=at_cars&model=GOLF&make=VOLKSWAGEN&aggregatedTrim=GTI&page=1
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201712041798545?sort=distance&radius=1500&price-from=27500&postcode=dh46gp&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&make=VOLKSWAGEN&model=GOLF&aggregatedTrim=GTI&advertising-location=at_cars&keywords=clubsport&page=1
these appear to have UK clocks
there are maybe 6 of these for sale in various garages. all the same spec
all seem to have DCC, nav pro, pan roof, bucket and dynaudio and winter pack
i have a buyer for my clubsport s and would consider changing to a clubsport 40 but not are if these would be harder to insure and sell on in the future.
i wonder if VW would allocate it with a number too?
will miss the CSS as it is a special car and superb to drive but would maybe get more use of out of a more regular car.
I must be missing something but what makes you so certain these (or other similar) come from Ireland? There's nothing obvious I can see in the specs or photos that suggest they are anything out of the ordinary. Have they not just been held back from the market by VW to ensure unregistered examples didn't flood the market over the summer (assumably to help stabilise prices for VW dealers)?
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3 of the people selling them told me they got them from Ireland
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3 of the people selling them told me they got them from Ireland
But it might've been Northern Ireland as Republic of Ireland cars would have KPH clocks. Lets face it, you can't rely on the accuracy of car salesmen on the subject of cars, I suspect their knowledge of geography may also be suspect....
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The car salesman in question know enough and are honest enough to tell you, they only come with 2nd not the 3 year warranty you would expect on a UK VW main dealer supplied car.
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3 of the people selling them told me they got them from Ireland
But it might've been Northern Ireland as Republic of Ireland cars would have KPH clocks. Lets face it, you can't rely on the accuracy of car salesmen on the subject of cars, I suspect their knowledge of geography may also be suspect....
Northern Irish cars are UK spec.
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They all confirmed they are from ROI and because of this are not official uk cars and only have 2 yr warranty
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3 of the people selling them told me they got them from Ireland
But it might've been Northern Ireland as Republic of Ireland cars would have KPH clocks. Lets face it, you can't rely on the accuracy of car salesmen on the subject of cars, I suspect their knowledge of geography may also be suspect....
Northern Irish cars are UK spec.
When did they stop giving you the choice to have your car speedo in mph or kph?
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3 of the people selling them told me they got them from Ireland
But it might've been Northern Ireland as Republic of Ireland cars would have KPH clocks. Lets face it, you can't rely on the accuracy of car salesmen on the subject of cars, I suspect their knowledge of geography may also be suspect....
Northern Irish cars are UK spec.
When did they stop giving you the choice to have your car speedo in mph or kph?
Republic cars are KPH only since 2005. I think some manufacturers will allow you factory spec MPH clocks if you really insist but I think most of us are accustomed to KPH by now. We tend to get a fair amount of used UK imports though and those all have MPH obviously. So as usual, with a lot of things here, its a bit half arsed.
I guess the growing popularity of "Active Info Display" type dashboards will make switching from one to the other much easier anyway.
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AID doesn't let you change the main speedo clock from kph to mph. What you can do is set the units to the other one then display the digital speed display to show it.
Maybe with vcds you could change the main clock...
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AID doesn't let you change the main speedo clock from kph to mph. What you can do is set the units to the other one then display the digital speed display to show it.
Maybe with vcds you could change the main clock...
Easily done with VCDS / Obd11.
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I was looking at an R on Sunday and the Vw dealer told me that the value of these imported clubsports would be far less than a UK car come resale/trade in. Glad I didn’t go for one of these. Clitheroe Honda had a really nice silver one. As soon as it went it was replaced with a black one. A seemingly never ending supply.