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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: whogives on 04 November 2017, 21:05
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Hi guys, no doubt this has been asked before but I cant find anything on here. I'm looking at a remap, I'm not looking to go mad. I just want a nice smooth power delivery..... I've seen this which is by TDI-Tune, has anyone had this or knows of anything similar.
https://tdi-tuning.com/car/volkswagen/golf/20-gti-217-bhp-220-ps-162-kw-350-nm-258-lbft/crtd4-multi-channel-petrol-tuning-box-chip. Some constructive answer would be good...or point me in the right direction if there a thread on here already
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forgot to say my car is a MK7 GTI Standard spec
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If you search there were quite a few comparisons of tuning boxes back when they first came out including tdi-tuning. Generally dtuk boxes got better feedback and became most common
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Hi guys, no doubt this has been asked before but I cant find anything on here. I'm looking at a remap, I'm not looking to go mad. I just want a nice smooth power delivery..... I've seen this which is by TDI-Tune, has anyone had this or knows of anything similar.
https://tdi-tuning.com/car/volkswagen/golf/20-gti-217-bhp-220-ps-162-kw-350-nm-258-lbft/crtd4-multi-channel-petrol-tuning-box-chip. Some constructive answer would be good...or point me in the right direction if there a thread on here already
Yes mate, I have one on my Golf GTD and I had the same box on my SEAT Leon Cupra 280 (they can re-program them if you get a new car, which I did: I went from a 2014 SEAT Leon Cupra 280 6-speed DSG to a 2016 Golf Golf GTD 6-speed manual).
The box makes an enormous difference to both TDI and TSI engines, which I can state since I have had it on both. It probably makes a bigger difference to the TSI, which is a good thing in your case.
I haven't ever tried DTUK so I can only vouch for TDI-Tuning. In my opinion, the hardware is decent quality and the maps are excellent. I have never had a single problem and I thrash my cars when the road opens up. Normal day to day running is exactly the same. You just get much more performance when you put your foot down.
Any questions let me know.
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I was looking at both.
TDI Tuning seem to offer less power increases from the DTUK and prices almost the same?
I spoke to a local VW tuner and he said the plug in type tuning boxes weren't the best way to get more power and that a proper stage 1 remap such as Revo is much better. Then again, he doesn't sell the tuning boxes. he did explain how they work by just cheating the ECU in terms of air/fuel etc. Then again, mines a lease car so wouldn't bother me too much for any future issues.
Think the DTUK for mine is 316PS so about 311bhp which is a great chunk on the std power for £380! Tempting.
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Well ....... after a good think I've gone a slightly different way, I've got Celtic Tuning coming out to my house in about two weeks to do a remap. There reveiws seem to be good and the price is really quite good,
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Personally if it was still under warranty I'd go for a tuning box over a remap (which I did on my 2014 GTI PP). If you wanted to get it remapped after the warranty has run out, simply sell the tuning box on.
Remember that even if flashed back to standard, as soon as VW plug your car in during a service, it will (in the majority of cases) flag your car as mapped (the dreaded and widely recognised 'TD1' flag) and invalidate a good portion of your warranty (engine and drivetrain mainly).
Just food for thought prior to doing anything. Although I do recognise that a 'well written' map would be slightly superior to a tuning box, I don't think the difference is worth the risk.
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Well ....... after a good think I've gone a slightly different way, I've got Celtic Tuning coming out to my house in about two weeks to do a remap. There reveiws seem to be good and the price is really quite good,
I'm also going for a remap, how much is the remap Celtic?
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Personally if it was still under warranty I'd go for a tuning box over a remap (which I did on my 2014 GTI PP). If you wanted to get it remapped after the warranty has run out, simply sell the tuning box on.
Remember that even if flashed back to standard, as soon as VW plug your car in during a service, it will (in the majority of cases) flag your car as mapped (the dreaded and widely recognised 'TD1' flag) and invalidate a good portion of your warranty (engine and drivetrain mainly).
And recently we discussed how VAG now have a method to detect removed tuning boxes too and TD1 them...
Basically, if you tune it, expect warranty rejections if you claim for parts covered by warranty tuning violations.
Your car, your choice, but be informed.
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Personally if it was still under warranty I'd go for a tuning box over a remap (which I did on my 2014 GTI PP). If you wanted to get it remapped after the warranty has run out, simply sell the tuning box on.
Remember that even if flashed back to standard, as soon as VW plug your car in during a service, it will (in the majority of cases) flag your car as mapped (the dreaded and widely recognised 'TD1' flag) and invalidate a good portion of your warranty (engine and drivetrain mainly).
And recently we discussed how VAG now have a method to detect removed tuning boxes too and TD1 them...
Basically, if you tune it, expect warranty rejections if you claim for parts covered by warranty tuning violations.
Your car, your choice, but be informed.
I'm not going to start another debate on the matter but legally they can only refuse warranty on the part that has been modified so the ECU
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Personally if it was still under warranty I'd go for a tuning box over a remap (which I did on my 2014 GTI PP). If you wanted to get it remapped after the warranty has run out, simply sell the tuning box on.
Remember that even if flashed back to standard, as soon as VW plug your car in during a service, it will (in the majority of cases) flag your car as mapped (the dreaded and widely recognised 'TD1' flag) and invalidate a good portion of your warranty (engine and drivetrain mainly).
And recently we discussed how VAG now have a method to detect removed tuning boxes too and TD1 them...
Basically, if you tune it, expect warranty rejections if you claim for parts covered by warranty tuning violations.
Your car, your choice, but be informed.
I'm not going to start another debate on the matter but legally they can only refuse warranty on the part that has been modified so the ECU
I'm sorry but I think you're wrong - if you have modified the car (in this case remapping it) which causes other parts of the car to work outside of their specified design parameters (for instance, the turbo working harder to produce more boost) then does the manufacturer have the right to refuse warranty on those items too? Obviously they'd struggle if it was (for instance) a rear wheel bearing but you get the idea.
Also, whilst they could see if a tuning box had previously been fitted, they've got to delve a lot deeper than the flash count/checksum that raises the TD1 flag.
That said, I'm mainly in agreement, even if the post looks otherwise :wink: if you tune, expect to pay if related stuff goes wrong. I was in the same boat with suspension mods etc. prior to the warranty running out.
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Personally if it was still under warranty I'd go for a tuning box over a remap (which I did on my 2014 GTI PP). If you wanted to get it remapped after the warranty has run out, simply sell the tuning box on.
Remember that even if flashed back to standard, as soon as VW plug your car in during a service, it will (in the majority of cases) flag your car as mapped (the dreaded and widely recognised 'TD1' flag) and invalidate a good portion of your warranty (engine and drivetrain mainly).
And recently we discussed how VAG now have a method to detect removed tuning boxes too and TD1 them...
Basically, if you tune it, expect warranty rejections if you claim for parts covered by warranty tuning violations.
Your car, your choice, but be informed.
I'm not going to start another debate on the matter but legally they can only refuse warranty on the part that has been modified so the ECU
I'm sorry but I think you're wrong - if you have modified the car (in this case remapping it) which causes other parts of the car to work outside of their specified design parameters (for instance, the turbo working harder to produce more boost) then does the manufacturer have the right to refuse warranty on those items too? Obviously they'd struggle if it was (for instance) a rear wheel bearing but you get the idea.
Also, whilst they could see if a tuning box had previously been fitted, they've got to delve a lot deeper than the flash count/checksum that raises the TD1 flag.
That said, I'm mainly in agreement, even if the post looks otherwise :wink: if you tune, expect to pay if related stuff goes wrong. I was in the same boat with suspension mods etc. prior to the warranty running out.
As I said I'm not wanting to start a debate but I know I'm right. For them to refuse warranty they have to prove that the part that failed would not have done so if it were not for the map.
I know they will tell you that the car will lose its warranty and most people will be live them but the law is the law.
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Personally if it was still under warranty I'd go for a tuning box over a remap (which I did on my 2014 GTI PP). If you wanted to get it remapped after the warranty has run out, simply sell the tuning box on.
Remember that even if flashed back to standard, as soon as VW plug your car in during a service, it will (in the majority of cases) flag your car as mapped (the dreaded and widely recognised 'TD1' flag) and invalidate a good portion of your warranty (engine and drivetrain mainly).
And recently we discussed how VAG now have a method to detect removed tuning boxes too and TD1 them...
Basically, if you tune it, expect warranty rejections if you claim for parts covered by warranty tuning violations.
Your car, your choice, but be informed.
I'm not going to start another debate on the matter but legally they can only refuse warranty on the part that has been modified so the ECU
I'm sorry but I think you're wrong - if you have modified the car (in this case remapping it) which causes other parts of the car to work outside of their specified design parameters (for instance, the turbo working harder to produce more boost) then does the manufacturer have the right to refuse warranty on those items too? Obviously they'd struggle if it was (for instance) a rear wheel bearing but you get the idea.
Also, whilst they could see if a tuning box had previously been fitted, they've got to delve a lot deeper than the flash count/checksum that raises the TD1 flag.
That said, I'm mainly in agreement, even if the post looks otherwise :wink: if you tune, expect to pay if related stuff goes wrong. I was in the same boat with suspension mods etc. prior to the warranty running out.
As I said I'm not wanting to start a debate but I know I'm right. For them to refuse warranty they have to prove that the part that failed would not have done so if it were not for the map.
I know they will tell you that the car will lose its warranty and most people will be live them but the law is the law.
Easy tiger - I only asked a question. That was given away by the fact there was a question mark at the end of the sentence. :rolleyes:
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Personally if it was still under warranty I'd go for a tuning box over a remap (which I did on my 2014 GTI PP). If you wanted to get it remapped after the warranty has run out, simply sell the tuning box on.
Remember that even if flashed back to standard, as soon as VW plug your car in during a service, it will (in the majority of cases) flag your car as mapped (the dreaded and widely recognised 'TD1' flag) and invalidate a good portion of your warranty (engine and drivetrain mainly).
And recently we discussed how VAG now have a method to detect removed tuning boxes too and TD1 them...
Basically, if you tune it, expect warranty rejections if you claim for parts covered by warranty tuning violations.
Your car, your choice, but be informed.
I'm not going to start another debate on the matter but legally they can only refuse warranty on the part that has been modified so the ECU
I'm sorry but I think you're wrong - if you have modified the car (in this case remapping it) which causes other parts of the car to work outside of their specified design parameters (for instance, the turbo working harder to produce more boost) then does the manufacturer have the right to refuse warranty on those items too? Obviously they'd struggle if it was (for instance) a rear wheel bearing but you get the idea.
Also, whilst they could see if a tuning box had previously been fitted, they've got to delve a lot deeper than the flash count/checksum that raises the TD1 flag.
That said, I'm mainly in agreement, even if the post looks otherwise :wink: if you tune, expect to pay if related stuff goes wrong. I was in the same boat with suspension mods etc. prior to the warranty running out.
As I said I'm not wanting to start a debate but I know I'm right. For them to refuse warranty they have to prove that the part that failed would not have done so if it were not for the map.
I know they will tell you that the car will lose its warranty and most people will be live them but the law is the law.
Easy tiger - I only asked a question. That was given away by the fact there was a question mark at the end of the sentence. :rolleyes:
Not sure why the need for the easy tiger, all I said was that I know I'm right. Your not one of these snow flakes are you that get threatened if someone say boo to you? I've been there and and VW have admitted it as have Audi when an engine went on a friend's mapped car.
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Must be the thought I had when I pictured you in my head with your "I am considerably more right than you" attitude that gets people backs up? Again, a question so absolutely no need for a terse reply
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Must be the thought I had when I pictured you in my head with your "I am considerably more right than you" attitude that gets people backs up? Again, a question so absolutely no need for a terse reply
I see, a snow flake it is then. Can I suggest growing a pair?
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Must be the thought I had when I pictured you in my head with your "I am considerably more right than you" attitude that gets people backs up? Again, a question so absolutely no need for a terse reply
I see, a snow flake it is then. Can I suggest growing a pair?
Not a snowflake mate, just someone who's very good at sniffing out pillocks. I'm guessing I'm very good at it indeed looking at the evidence you've provided. Oh and my "pair" grew many decades ago. Have yours dropped yet?
Oh, and this wasn't a question.
Anyway, back to the OPs question before you engage the brain cell (yes, singular) again...
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Anyway...
Actually, I was wrong, you don't get a TD1 for a tuning box, you get a TXD flag, which is just the same.
The low down is printed on this VAG (Audi) document in this thread:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=280858.0
I suggest the OP reads that because that isn't speculation, that's VAG policy.
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Must be the thought I had when I pictured you in my head with your "I am considerably more right than you" attitude that gets people backs up? Again, a question so absolutely no need for a terse reply
I see, a snow flake it is then. Can I suggest growing a pair?
Can you upload the letter your solicitor sent and/or the response from VW (with redactions)?
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Anyway...
Actually, I was wrong, you don't get a TD1 for a tuning box, you get a TXD flag, which is just the same.
The low down is printed on this VAG (Audi) document in this thread:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=280858.0
I suggest the OP reads that because that isn't speculation, that's VAG policy.
The bit where it says that 'the centre is responsible for properly assessing the relationship between the tuning measures and the damage' means that they have to prove that the part was damaged by the car being mapped.
Do you think that Audi would replace the engine in a 1 year old RS3 if they didn't have to or if they could get around it in some way. Audi do not make the law when it comes to warranty. Probably 9 times out of 10 the owner of the car will roll over and take what the dealer says as the last word but you don't have to.
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Must be the thought I had when I pictured you in my head with your "I am considerably more right than you" attitude that gets people backs up? Again, a question so absolutely no need for a terse reply
I see, a snow flake it is then. Can I suggest growing a pair?
Not a snowflake mate, just someone who's very good at sniffing out pillocks. I'm guessing I'm very good at it indeed looking at the evidence you've provided. Oh and my "pair" grew many decades ago. Have yours dropped yet?
Oh, and this wasn't a question.
Anyway, back to the OPs question before you engage the brain cell (yes, singular) again...
Poor little snow flake, did I hurt your feeling? :laugh:
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Well ....... after a good think I've gone a slightly different way, I've got Celtic Tuning coming out to my house in about two weeks to do a remap. There reveiws seem to be good and the price is really quite good,
I'm also going for a remap, how much is the remap Celtic?
This is the info I had back from Celtic when I emailed them
The Volkswagen Golf MK7 (5G) 2013> takes the power from 216bhp up to 300bhp and the torque from 258lb/ft up to 325lb/ft. This stage of software is designed as a software upgrade only meaning it is all within safe tolerances of the engine and drivetrain and requires no hardware modifications. For testimonials of our work please follow the link: View Testimonials.
We provide all stages of tune through to full custom setup so if you have specific requirements please just ask. On many applications we also cater for larger turbos and injector upgrades so if you are looking for ultimate performance then we have the knowledge and ability to do just that.
To provide added peace of mind for customers with vehicles still under warranty, we provide a FREE 12 month's insurance backed supplementary warranty: Download Warranty Information. Full terms and conditions apply, please see website for details.
The cost of the remap is £325.00 all-inclusive for which we travel to your location whether it is home or work place. This comes with a 14 day money back guarantee which gives you plenty of time to ensure it is exactly what you are after.
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The warranty seemed quite good except for this clause:
This Warranty is invalidated if the vehicle is used for rallies, racing, pacemaking,
reliability trials, scrambling, speed testing, track days or for hire or gain, or
commercial travelling without the express written consent of the Approved Installer.
Again, they'd have to prove one of those things, but I am a believer in not signing up to something where I know I'd break the terms of the agreement.