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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: MjrSharpe on 30 August 2017, 11:08
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Hi all. My father bought me a DTUK pedal box for my car last week and such a difference it has made. I already have the tuning box, (map 2 +3) which I find very impressive in both power delivery and smoothness, but the pedal box has helped with response no end. It was very easy to fit, and I currently have it on sport 1, which I find to be just right. I had tried it on sport +, and whilst the response is even sharper, I find it perhaps a little too much for daily driving.
My last car was an astra j vxr, and whilst I find the golf better in all regards, the vxr button on the astra did sharpen it up more than sport more on the golf. With the addition of the pedal box this is no longer the case, and I find the car more pleasant to drive normally and more fun to drive quickly. I definitely recommend one.
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Pleased with mine too and I have it on the same setting as you - sport+ was just too lively. What setting do you have the car on? In likely traction issues I have it on normal and otherwise in individual with all on sport except for steering, just tweeks the response nicely :smiley:
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I usually drive in normal mode, but change to sport on fun roads. I used to have it in eco for regular driving, but found that it choked the car too much and made no difference to fuel economy.
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Eco is nonsense, I've tried it once on a long motorway run and as you've found, economy the same and it wouldn't pick up properly for overtaking.
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By far the best mod for the mk7 performance golf.
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By far the best mod for the mk7 performance golf.
I wholeheartedly second that :wink:
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If I had to pick between either my pedal box or tuning box I'd pick the pedal box every time.
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Odd, in driving the boss's Mk7 GTI today found throttle response excellent, way better than my R.
Wonder if its a mileage thing but can't be as it's all programmed, it's a 2014 car.
Maybe later cars have been made softer. Whatever my R needs one, although will have to drive in slippers :grin:
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By far the best mod for the mk7 performance golf.
Really! I don't think so...
http://www.revotechnik.com/
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I've got round to buying a pedalbox after months of thinking about it and fitted it today. Really easy install, 10 min job. Couple of drives later, the only regret is taking so long to buy it! I've owned my PP for 11 months and loved it, but there have been too many times where you push the throttle and think 'where's the power?'.
Left it on city +2 for now as I do a lot of short run commutes and that feels a good fit. Popped it into sport once and oompf, there's the power on tap.
If you're thinking about it, do it.
Now if I could just sort out the rattles :rolleyes:
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I've got round to buying a pedalbox after months of thinking about it and fitted it today. Really easy install, 10 min job. Couple of drives later, the only regret is taking so long to buy it! I've owned my PP for 11 months and loved it, but there have been too many times where you push the throttle and think 'where's the power?'.
Left it on city +2 for now as I do a lot of short run commutes and that feels a good fit. Popped it into sport once and oompf, there's the power on tap.
If you're thinking about it, do it.
Now if I could just sort out the rattles :rolleyes:
I used a roll of this Anti Squeak Anti Rattle Self Adhesive Felt Tape 50mm X 3M https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ULXT84U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_ZR9Qzb79R1EX6
Got rid of them in about 5 hours.
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hi fellow gti'ers :) does this peddal box stop the dead pedal we sometimes get on the dsg? personally i find it quite dangerous sometimes when this happens and tbh i can't believe they even have it within the code ..
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hi fellow gti'ers :) does this peddal box stop the dead pedal we sometimes get on the dsg? personally i find it quite dangerous sometimes when this happens and tbh i can't believe they even have it within the code ..
It doesn't stop it entirely. If I get the "dead pedal" effect I quickly lift my foot off the accelerator and push it down again. It seems to force the computer to reset and go again.
There's a really good explanation of how the DSG box "thinks" here: http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/11881-understanding-and-using-your-dsg-box/ (http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/11881-understanding-and-using-your-dsg-box/)
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hi fellow gti'ers :) does this peddal box stop the dead pedal we sometimes get on the dsg? personally i find it quite dangerous sometimes when this happens and tbh i can't believe they even have it within the code ..
It doesn't stop it entirely. If I get the "dead pedal" effect I quickly lift my foot off the accelerator and push it down again. It seems to force the computer to reset and go again.
There's a really good explanation of how the DSG box "thinks" here: http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/11881-understanding-and-using-your-dsg-box/ (http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/11881-understanding-and-using-your-dsg-box/)
thanks i've had a read but mine's happening in auto even when the gears allready set.. maybe it is because i use a hand brake thus there's not enough time between brake/acc? i must admit it's crazy sometimes seeing cars comming at you on roundabouts while it figures out what to do.. lifting and pressing the acc helps 99% of the time but when it doesn't omg :)
mine's a mk5 atm so i'm hoping the 7.5 will be better :)
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I'm still tempted but haven't taken the plunge yet. Is there any need to wait for the engine to be run in??
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I'm still tempted but haven't taken the plunge yet. Is there any need to wait for the engine to be run in??
No. Take the plunge.
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Go for it, it makes the car come alive!
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Go for it, it makes the car come alive!
I have today :rolleyes: so that's me heading to the scene of an accident :whistle:. I may just keep it in the box and resist it. But then maybe ? So no Doc Martins just plimsoles !
Did we have a conclusion on removing it before every service, and still being detectable ?
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Pedal boxes aren't a problem with VW warranty and would be undetectable by the VW diagnostics systems anyway.
Most people just switch them off before sending it to the garage... most usually because it stops the mechanics sticking it through a hedge.
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Go for it, it makes the car come alive!
I have today :rolleyes: so that's me heading to the scene of an accident :whistle:. I may just keep it in the box and resist it. But then maybe ? So no Doc Martins just plimsoles !
Did we have a conclusion on removing it before every service, and still being detectable ?
Excellent, I'm sure you'll enjoy it. To avoid hedges, walls and other road users, I'd advise building up through the settings as "take-off" can be rather vigorous (even in a GTI) until you learn not to put your foot down so hard!
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Would a re-map negate the need for a pedal box?
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Would a re-map negate the need for a pedal box?
No, two different things.
For the ultimate rush, add some power with a Stage1 box/remap and then chuck the pedal box on for more instant whooooosh
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Would a re-map negate the need for a pedal box?
No, two different things.
For the ultimate rush, add some power with a Stage1 box/remap and then chuck the pedal box on for more instant whooooosh
Well, now, for the last goodness knows how many years I've been saying exactly the same thing fredgroves.
But then, only very recently I was taken down a few pegs by Rick at Unicorn Motor Developments fairly recently when I basically told him he was talking rubbish (as you do).
Rewind a few years, as I tend to waffle on a bit you might want to skip to the bottom, I was speaking to Kev at REVO when I'd taken possession of my mk6 GTI in 2009 and was discussing pedal response and throttle mapping as that was one area I'd been less than happy with on my mk5 GTI remap that was done by another company. I'd previously had REVO on an older 1.8t GTI which had the responses of a cat getting a nasty shock so was keen to bring back a bit of life into the pedal response of a mapped mk6 GTI.
On a stage 1 car, particularly a GTI which as a low pressure turbo that spools up really low down in the range you go from zero boost to rather a lot of boost very quickly which can mean a bit of an on/off response at low revs (which is rather a lot of the time in real world conditions). You notice it less on a standard car (until you get a mk7) due to the more progressive boost build up.
Anyway, I duly took one of the very first mk6 GTI REVO maps and it was great.
But I still wasn't quite happy with the initial pedal response.
Don't get me wrong, the car went like a rocket. It's forte was motorway on ramps. Hell, it was so good you'd be tempted to come off every slip road, shimmy round the roundabout at the bottom and blast up the on ramp on every single motorway junction on your journey!! :laugh:
I spoke to Kev again and he said the mapping was as responsive as he could get it and any initial pedal lag was just inherent in the fly by wire design.
I then discovered, via another forum member, the joys of a SprintBooster.
Nirvana restored.
The SprintBooster came with me to my next mk6 GTI and then when my mk7 GTI finally arrived in mid/late 2013 I got an unpleasant shock. The throttle response was significantly worse again (yes, I'm a fusspot when it comes to my cars) and SprintBooster at the time had no fitment for a mk7 GTI.
Darn and blast.
It didn't take me very long to find the DTUK/DTE PedalBox and this was fitted within a few hundred miles of taking delivery of the mk7 GTI.
I've now run the same PedalBox on a 63 plate GTI PP as standard and modified, a 15 plate R both standard and modified, a GTD both standard and (very briefly) modified and now an ED40 CS standard. All of the above cars to me felt really unresponsive at low throttle pedal openings and were improved massively in the enjoyment stakes by the addition of the PedalBox.
When removing the PedalBox from the GTI PP just hours before it went in part-ex I inadvertently found the chip in the top of the pedal assembly so it's easy to see why it works on a different channel to the ECU throttle mapping.
I've long since championed the cause of the PedalBox, so much so that I dread threads with said item in the title as it feels like Groundhog Day me typing the same things over and again. In fact I probably have two topics of forum conversation in my life, PedalBoxes and alloy wheels so I dread conversations about either as probably come across as incredibly dull! :grin:
Recently over on VWROC after I'd spent many months avoiding getting into conversations about said boxes and therefore having nothing to talk about on forums :whistle: I waded in to a thread where someone was asking whether it was a good idea to fit a box to a Stage 1 car.
"Yes, very much so" was my reply and after a brief disagreement with Rick from Unicorn (who should know quite a bit more about this sort of thing than a thicko like me) he kindly explained in nice simple terms the following:
I don't want to come across argumentative but this isn't the case.
Yes the pedal box is an amplifier, but think about how an amplifier works. If there is a signal, it makes it larger. It cannot amplify zero signal, i.e. all the amplification of dead zone will still result in dead zone. As soon as you touch the throttle it is giving out a voltage, but for this voltage on the golf R it is to give a very very small torque request which is why it feels dead. We alter the torque request at these small throttle angles to get rid of the deadness,
Pedal boxes can amplify the signal by a fixed amount across the RPM range. In the ECU we have a 3D map where we decrease the sensitivity at high RPM as generally the engine become more responsive in this area. There is also another throttle map for when the car is in Sports Mode. From the factory, all Golf R's use the same throttle map for both Sports and Normal. We can change this so that you have a different response in S, just like on an M3/4 etc.
Thanks, Rick
So there you have it.
I'd say that it therefore depends on who remaps your car and what they do in the ECU.
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Thats an interesting post actually :)
What I don't understand is this statement from Captain Unicorn:
From the factory, all Golf R's use the same throttle map for both Sports and Normal
If it has the same throttle map, how is it different? I thought the difference in engine response was entirely throttle map!
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Thats an interesting post actually :)
What I don't understand is this statement from Captain Unicorn:
From the factory, all Golf R's use the same throttle map for both Sports and Normal
If it has the same throttle map, how is it different? I thought the difference in engine response was entirely throttle map!
As a stab in the dark I'll guess the pedal sensitivity is very mildly changed once past the dead zone on an R (and most likely the GTI & GTD) but the actual throttle map is the same in N and S but dumbed down in Eco.
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Just finally ordered mine. Should be here tomorrow according to the very helpful online chat function.
Fingers crossed it is everything I expect it to be, i.e. a much sportier responsive feel overall.
What settings do most have theirs set to for mainly city driving?
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I've got a pedalbox plus for sale if anyone is interested, bought last week. Just not my cup of tea. My car is weekends only and I just don't need it (bought on a whim!).
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Just finally ordered mine. Should be here tomorrow according to the very helpful online chat function.
Fingers crossed it is everything I expect it to be, i.e. a much sportier responsive feel overall.
What settings do most have theirs set to for mainly city driving?
I have the car on normal with the box on sport with 1 green light. Pretty lively :laugh: But on dry days for a bit more fun I put the car in sport too. Sport+ on the box was just a bit too much.
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I've got a pedalbox plus for sale if anyone is interested, bought last week. Just not my cup of tea. My car is weekends only and I just don't need it (bought on a whim!).
Can you pm me a price?
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Just finally ordered mine. Should be here tomorrow according to the very helpful online chat function.
Fingers crossed it is everything I expect it to be, i.e. a much sportier responsive feel overall.
What settings do most have theirs set to for mainly city driving?
I have the car on normal with the box on sport with 1 green light. Pretty lively :laugh: But on dry days for a bit more fun I put the car in sport too. Sport+ on the box was just a bit too much.
Thanks Watts. Looking forward to see what a difference it makes. I don't want to put a tuning box on it just yet as I still have a years warranty left so hoping this just wakes the car up a little bit and sorts the lag issue out then maybe next year I'll add the tuning box.
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Just finally ordered mine. Should be here tomorrow according to the very helpful online chat function.
Fingers crossed it is everything I expect it to be, i.e. a much sportier responsive feel overall.
What settings do most have theirs set to for mainly city driving?
I have the car on normal with the box on sport with 1 green light. Pretty lively :laugh: But on dry days for a bit more fun I put the car in sport too. Sport+ on the box was just a bit too much.
Thanks Watts. Looking forward to see what a difference it makes. I don't want to put a tuning box on it just yet as I still have a years warranty left so hoping this just wakes the car up a little bit and sorts the lag issue out then maybe next year I'll add the tuning box.
I'd be very surprised if you were disappointed. It wakes it up a lot!
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P.S. The discount code I had from a previous thread is no longer valid (GTD80) but I was given another one - AP80 which knocks £10 off the retail price of the Pedal Box Plus down to £189 with free Royal Mail Special next day delivery. Not much but it all helps just in case anyone else is thinking about getting one :wink:
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RF80 worth a try but doesn't work if they are on offer.
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Fitted and tested mine out.
Sweet relief that the first couple of inches of travel before the car responds has gone! Certainly makes the car comes alive as Booth put it. So far, well pleased with the addition. Isn't this how it should have been?
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Is this the same product as the Remus responder?
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Is this the same product as the Remus responder?
Yes :smiley:
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Thanks Exonian.
All these positive reviews have really got me interested, seriously considering trying one of these devices now.
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Thanks Exonian.
All these positive reviews have really got me interested, seriously considering trying one of these devices now.
Me too... I've not even got my car yet!
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Is anyone with DTUK pedal box on their Mk7/7.5 GTI able to compare the subsequent throttle response to a std mk5 GTI?
One of the things I loved about my mk5 GTI was the instant and muscular response at the twitch of the ankle. I find the mk7's throttle response doughy and disappointing in comparison.
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Is anyone with DTUK pedal box on their Mk7/7.5 GTI able to compare the subsequent throttle response to a std mk5 GTI?
One of the things I loved about my mk5 GTI was the instant and muscular response at the twitch of the ankle. I find the mk7's throttle response doughy and disappointing in comparison.
I could probably answer that - coming from a mk5 I was struggling to get used to the feel of the accelerator on the mk7. The pedal box fixes it. Even on the lowest level of intervention, response is much sharper and back where it should be. On Sport I recon the car is more responsive than the mk5. On sport+..... I'll leave you to have a play!
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Thanks a heap, mate. Exactly what I was hoping to hear. Cheers.
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Just back from 700 mile round trip to Cornwall, fitted the pedal box day before I left so took it easy and had it in City for most M5 /A30 and normal DCC, still way better than standard response. As week went on played a bit with Orange didn't have the book with me so ended up using Red which apparently is Sport + and loved it, recommend lightweight shoes like boat shoes though. Not Hunter's!!
Had it in Eco and Sport + today but didn't save a cupful of petrol on short journey, so probably Normal and sport+ plus for the time being but I do look fwd to playing with the + and - sometime.
Booth and others so right, transforms an already s*** hot motor :laugh:
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Just back from 700 mile round trip to Cornwall, fitted the pedal box day before I left so took it easy and had it in City for most M5 /A30 and normal DCC, still way better than standard response. As week went on played a bit with Orange didn't have the book with me so ended up using Red which apparently is Sport + and loved it, recommend lightweight shoes like boat shoes though. Not Hunter's!!
Had it in Eco and Sport + today but didn't save a cupful of petrol on short journey, so probably Normal and sport+ plus for the time being but I do look fwd to playing with the + and - sometime.
Booth and others so right, transforms an already s*** hot motor :laugh:
You could've dropped me off a pasty on the way back home... :rolleyes: :laugh:
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Just back from 700 mile round trip to Cornwall, fitted the pedal box day before I left so took it easy and had it in City for most M5 /A30 and normal DCC, still way better than standard response. As week went on played a bit with Orange didn't have the book with me so ended up using Red which apparently is Sport + and loved it, recommend lightweight shoes like boat shoes though. Not Hunter's!!
Had it in Eco and Sport + today but didn't save a cupful of petrol on short journey, so probably Normal and sport+ plus for the time being but I do look fwd to playing with the + and - sometime.
Booth and others so right, transforms an already s*** hot motor :laugh:
Now I thought I knew the best pasties
You could've dropped me off a pasty on the way back home... :rolleyes: :laugh:
Now I thought I knew where to get the best pasties but have just found the best in the whole world ever, Mary's pasties :tongue: picked some up on way home where they make them Probus nr Truro. Stopped at services after horrendous drive back A30 / M5 last friday, thankfully missed the horror RTA on Saturday.
The M5 has become as bad as the M6/M1/M25 at anytime. I only go down when kids are back at school and seems to make no difference :rolleyes:
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Just back from 700 mile round trip to Cornwall, fitted the pedal box day before I left so took it easy and had it in City for most M5 /A30 and normal DCC, still way better than standard response. As week went on played a bit with Orange didn't have the book with me so ended up using Red which apparently is Sport + and loved it, recommend lightweight shoes like boat shoes though. Not Hunter's!!
Had it in Eco and Sport + today but didn't save a cupful of petrol on short journey, so probably Normal and sport+ plus for the time being but I do look fwd to playing with the + and - sometime.
Booth and others so right, transforms an already s*** hot motor :laugh:
Now I thought I knew the best pasties
You could've dropped me off a pasty on the way back home... :rolleyes: :laugh:
Now I thought I knew where to get the best pasties but have just found the best in the whole world ever, Mary's pasties :tongue: picked some up on way home where they make them Probus nr Truro. Stopped at services after horrendous drive back A30 / M5 last friday, thankfully missed the horror RTA on Saturday.
The M5 has become as bad as the M6/M1/M25 at anytime. I only go down when kids are back at school and seems to make no difference :rolleyes:
The M5 is getting dreadful.
It just reflects the amount of traffic on it nowadays and people's bad driving. Or lack of driving in most cases as there seems to be an ever increasing amount of people hurtling along looking more down at the phone they think they've sneakily hidden in their lap than what's actually going on around them.
I've not tried Mary's as I tend to skirt Truro (too much traffic) and buy my pasties in Hayle.
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the discount code GTD80 reduces the cost of the pedalbox+ down to £189 inc vat and UK delivery, or if you're local to us you're looking at £199.00 inc fitting.
just found this on the R forum...
As a few of you will know I now have a pedal box plus fitted to my R.
Having had 3 of the standard type pedal box I was never blown away with it.
I found it to be really good when going for it but had issues where it was either on or off on light throttle.
Other issues I had were on light throttle I could feel a hesitation at certain speeds.
Having had 3 of them I could rule out a faulty unit and could work around this problem by running a pretty tame setting of Sport -2 or -3
This still eliminated the dead spot but made me wonder why I had it if using on a very low setting.
I sold my unit only last week and then while browsing the net found dtuk had released a pedalbox + unit.
After talking to Chris I asked the difference and his reply was that the new unit is smoother in operation and obviously looked much nicer.
I ordered it and it came the next day
Having now done 40 miles with the new one fitted I can confirm that fitting is exactly the same and if the additional holder isn't used it still fits in the cubbyhole perfectly
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As you can see in the pic I'm already running sport -1.
With the new one I'm switching between sport and sport -1 pickup and operation is smoother without any sign of hesitations and no problem on light throttle in traffic etc.
As Chris said he didn't think it'd warrant anyone who already has one to upgrade due to cost, but I can confirm the new unit is an improvement over the standard unit.
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Hi just a few questions before I order one of these if anyone could advise please?
Presume this is a different box for DSG to a manual car also do the driving modes all still work the same just amplified and does the DSG constantly kick down due to the more sensitive throttle?
Any increase in mpg on normal driving motorway etc?
Thanks my car is mk7.5 GTI dsg performance.
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I moved mine from a manual to a dsg without any problems. There's plenty of settings for you to try to get the best setup for you. I didn't see any difference in mpg, that'll be down to how you drive with or without the pedalbox. What I found was a more responsive throttle pedal with the dead travel removed. Don't forget about notifying your insurer.
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Hi just a few questions before I order one of these if anyone could advise please?
Presume this is a different box for DSG to a manual car also do the driving modes all still work the same just amplified and does the DSG constantly kick down due to the more sensitive throttle?
Any increase in mpg on normal driving motorway etc?
Thanks my car is mk7.5 GTI dsg performance.
Fitted one to my DSG about 3 months ago, there's no change in anything other than the throttle response is a lot keener, it removes that horrible delay.
Haven't noticed MPG being affected. Definately money well spent.
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Had one on for years no, turned it of last week to see what is was like again. It was back on at the next set of traffic lights as the delay was terrible.
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What's the difference between a DTUK and something like a JB4 ? :shocked:
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What's the difference between a DTUK and something like a JB4 ? :shocked:
JB4 adds more power (supposedly, see my thread), whereas the DTUK pedal box just "recalibrates" the pedal to the power you already have
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What's the difference between a DTUK and something like a JB4 ? :shocked:
No difference with the "pedal boxes", mine is a Remus one but they all do the same thing by removing the lag in the pedal.