GolfGTIforum.co.uk

Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: clubsport on 24 August 2017, 15:53

Title: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: clubsport on 24 August 2017, 15:53
Are we able to update out indicator sequence on our Mk7 GTi similar to the "sweeping" format of the latest car?

I assumed we were not able to, until I recently saw a few older Audi Q3, Q5 and A4 models have this feature.

Is there coding available on OBD11 or Vagcom?

Cheers.
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: Hebegeebee on 24 August 2017, 16:18
Some German company have managed it but it's not as simple as just coding, there's some hardware involved too. There's a video on YouTube showing the result, there may even be a discussion on how it's done.
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: davyk31 on 24 August 2017, 16:36
Simple way to get them - just buy a new Golf  :laugh:
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: fredgroves on 24 August 2017, 17:35
Maybe this:

http://www.carsystems.pl/new-product-golf-mk-7-dynamic-tail-lights-led-adapter-led-dynamic-turn-lights,id2250.html

Video here:

https://youtu.be/W_dMfbWFkPM
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: fredgroves on 24 August 2017, 17:41
Or if you want the full sweepy style of the 7.5...

http://www.bavaria-coding.com/produkt/golf-7-facelift-rueckleuchten-mk7-5-rearlights

https://youtu.be/lkA0jDNKVJU
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: fredgroves on 24 August 2017, 17:44
That last one also has these bad boys which aren't Mk7.5 OEM:

https://www.kunzmann.de/shop/en/exterieur-dynamic-indicator-light-volkswagen-golf-7-dynamic-turn-signal-dyna-blink.htm

(I'm actually quite keen on this for my Mk7.5 as the mirror repeaters don't sweep on the OEM)
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: Arnold_Lane on 25 August 2017, 08:12
That last one also has these bad boys which aren't Mk7.5 OEM:

https://www.kunzmann.de/shop/en/exterieur-dynamic-indicator-light-volkswagen-golf-7-dynamic-turn-signal-dyna-blink.htm

(I'm actually quite keen on this for my Mk7.5 as the mirror repeaters don't sweep on the OEM)

I like that!
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 25 August 2017, 08:34
You can't do it through vcds or OBDeleven but you can get a harness from carsystems as Fred posted above, as it happens I'm selling mine maybe.

You can also have the Mk7.5 rear lights retrofitted but from your question I'm guessing that's not what your after.

You can also get these http://www.vcdssydney.com/store/p9/Mk7_Dynamic_Aftermarket_Tail_Lights.html but at 800A$ it's not cheep.

Then there is the way this guy did it but I'm not sure how, https://youtu.be/wib8HunhzLE
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: clubsport on 25 August 2017, 09:17
Many thanks for the replies guys, I was only interested in trying it for a change. I can;t get excited about wiring harnesses or replacement rear lights!
Cheers..
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: itavaltalainen on 25 August 2017, 09:28
You can also get these http://www.vcdssydney.com/store/p9/Mk7_Dynamic_Aftermarket_Tail_Lights.html but at 800A$ it's not cheep.

Can you? They probably don't have e mark so can't go on car legally. Doubt you (i.e. the manufacturer) could get approval, if they are sold in Oz most likely won't have EU (or rather ECE if someone thinks Brexit will 'fix' this) obligatory rear fog lights.
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 25 August 2017, 10:29
You can also get these http://www.vcdssydney.com/store/p9/Mk7_Dynamic_Aftermarket_Tail_Lights.html but at 800A$ it's not cheep.

Can you? They probably don't have e mark so can't go on car legally. Doubt you (i.e. the manufacturer) could get approval, if they are sold in Oz most likely won't have EU (or rather ECE if someone thinks Brexit will 'fix' this) obligatory rear fog lights.

You sound like someone that is butthurt about last year's vote :cry:
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: wantmygti on 25 August 2017, 11:58
Anyone know if the 'pace car' indicators that you can enable on OBDeleven are road legal? I'm guessing not...
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: TurboTrev on 25 August 2017, 13:44
Anyone know if the 'pace car' indicators that you can enable on OBDeleven are road legal? I'm guessing not...
I've read on another forum or facebook page, I can't remember which, that they are illegal in the UK.
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: wantmygti on 25 August 2017, 14:11
Anyone know if the 'pace car' indicators that you can enable on OBDeleven are road legal? I'm guessing not...
I've read on another forum or facebook page, I can't remember which, that they are illegal in the UK.

Thanks Trev
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: Finglonga on 25 August 2017, 17:22
Anyone know if the 'pace car' indicators that you can enable on OBDeleven are road legal? I'm guessing not...
I've read on another forum or facebook page, I can't remember which, that they are illegal in the UK.

More like Facebook page as they are usually full of BS. Not had problems with MOT or Police and had them for 2 years. What law do they supposedly break exactly can you remember it said?
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: 2007GTI on 25 August 2017, 17:33
All lights fitted to cars have to have a type approval mark after a certain date, 2014 I think, it's often E11 in a circle, for UK, different numbers for different European countries.  Lots of aftermarket lights, although they work perfectly well and do what they are meant to, are not technically legal unless they carry this mark and hence have been through the type approval process to gain the mark. 
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: TurboTrev on 25 August 2017, 18:40
Anyone know if the 'pace car' indicators that you can enable on OBDeleven are road legal? I'm guessing not...
I've read on another forum or facebook page, I can't remember which, that they are illegal in the UK.

More like Facebook page as they are usually full of BS. Not had problems with MOT or Police and had them for 2 years. What law do they supposedly break exactly can you remember it said?

Just be clear, I am talking about pace car setting indicators and not dynamic indicators.  I doubt whether many Police or MOT testers would know the minute detail of indicator law, but I think it was something to do with a section flashing right, then a section flashing left etc..  Any movement, apparently, has to be in the same direction.
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: Finglonga on 25 August 2017, 19:43
Just be clear, I am talking about pace car setting indicators and not dynamic indicators.  I doubt whether many Police or MOT testers would know the minute detail of indicator law, but I think it was something to do with a section flashing right, then a section flashing left etc..  Any movement, apparently, has to be in the same direction.

I am indeed talking these....

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-16-2016/uNcxRM.gif)

They flash inner to outer and only one side flashes on the car when indicating. If anything they stand out more than the dynamic ones so people know at a glance where you are going. The dynamic ones are not on as much as half the time the light bar is filling up. I noticed that with my Dynablink mirror repeaters.

https://youtu.be/FE_rpdbfG7E

Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: TurboTrev on 25 August 2017, 20:31
Yep, that's them.  So looking at say the left side one.  The outside section flashes, followed by the inside section, then to the outside again etc. so in effect the indicator is flashing left, right, left, right etc. and that, allegedly, is the problem.  Of course, it could be internet bollox!
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: 2007GTI on 25 August 2017, 22:21
how they flash is irrelevant if they aren't E marked, as the coding to the car could be changed to make them flash however the manufacturer or third party wants.  Secondary to that it may fail an Mot on the number of flashes per second, but I don't know.  Basically if it isn't E marked, it isn't technically legal for U.K. Road use.
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: kalimon on 26 August 2017, 07:16
Just be clear, I am talking about pace car setting indicators and not dynamic indicators.  I doubt whether many Police or MOT testers would know the minute detail of indicator law, but I think it was something to do with a section flashing right, then a section flashing left etc..  Any movement, apparently, has to be in the same direction.

I am indeed talking these....

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-16-2016/uNcxRM.gif)

They flash inner to outer and only one side flashes on the car when indicating. If anything they stand out more than the dynamic ones so people know at a glance where you are going. The dynamic ones are not on as much as half the time the light bar is filling up. I noticed that with my Dynablink mirror repeaters.

https://youtu.be/FE_rpdbfG7E
They look terrible  :sick:
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: Arnold_Lane on 26 August 2017, 08:32
how they flash is irrelevant if they aren't E marked, as the coding to the car could be changed to make them flash however the manufacturer or third party wants.  Secondary to that it may fail an Mot on the number of flashes per second, but I don't know.  Basically if it isn't E marked, it isn't technically legal for U.K. Road use.

Aren't they enabled through a wiring harness connector using the original lamps? If so, the indicators will be E marked as they are original.
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: TurboTrev on 26 August 2017, 08:51
how they flash is irrelevant if they aren't E marked, as the coding to the car could be changed to make them flash however the manufacturer or third party wants.  Secondary to that it may fail an Mot on the number of flashes per second, but I don't know.  Basically if it isn't E marked, it isn't technically legal for U.K. Road use.

Aren't they enabled through a wiring harness connector using the original lamps? If so, the indicators will be E marked as they are original.

The pace indicators, as per the video, are standard UK back lights that are coded via VCDS or OBD11.  The semi dynamic indicators are again standard UK back lights with a small loom inserted - not sure that has to be E marked?  For full dynamic back lights the 7.5 back lights have to be retrofitted and these possibly require coding and maybe an additional audi module - please correct me if I'm wrong as I'm interested in doing this?
Title: Re: Those rear indicators on the new Golf?
Post by: Finglonga on 26 August 2017, 08:54
how they flash is irrelevant if they aren't E marked, as the coding to the car could be changed to make them flash however the manufacturer or third party wants.  Secondary to that it may fail an Mot on the number of flashes per second, but I don't know.  Basically if it isn't E marked, it isn't technically legal for U.K. Road use.

They can flash by law "constantly at the rate of not less than 60 nor more than 120 flashes per minute", so a pretty wide margin to adjustment. The Golf for example flashes much slower than the BMW indicators. They however should indeed have an "approval mark" on them to be legal in the UK.