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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Arnold_Lane on 12 May 2017, 10:40
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I'm just about to confirm my order for a GTI Performance and thought that I would go for a manual as most of my mileage is on out of town roads and motorways, etc., with only a small amount stuck in traffic queues and no set daily commute. However, I'm now having second thoughts and think the 7 speed DSG would be a nice addition.
The extra cost isn't an issue and we have an A6 diesel with DSG (ironically it has the same 245hp as the Golf Performance) so I know and (mostly) like the driving experience of the auto box.
So what are peoples thoughts on manual vs DSG in a GTi?? And what impact on delivery would the switch make?
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DSG is pretty neat if you can afford it - but you know this already from your Audi.
In fact, you pretty much know everything there is to know other than I did read that at the moment DSG orders were taking longer than manuals presumably due to supply issues on the new DSG7 box.
I had a manual box on my former GTD, have ordered another manual one simply because I'm a tight arse. If money was no object, I'd go DSG simply because of the integration with ACC.
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DSG purely for the extra gear and it will be faster at accelerating.
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DSG. It makes the car imo.
With manual you lose out on valuable and really useful tech. DSG Integrates brilliantly with ACC and the auto hold too, so even on motorways the DSG trumps. The 7th gear now should also make it a more relaxed and more economical cruiser.
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I know the previous 7spd DSG was a dry clutch and in lower powered cars. I recently read it was to be avoided because of reliability issues and that it is being replaced with a wet clutch variant. Is this what's being fitted to 7.5 PP?
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I know the previous 7spd DSG was a dry clutch and in lower powered cars. I recently read it was to be avoided because of reliability issues and that it is being replaced with a wet clutch variant. Is this what's being fitted to 7.5 PP?
Nah, the old 7 speed box for low powered cars is a totally different design - and crap too.
New one is very good, of course reliabilty is something we will learn about in ~3 years time.
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I'd say go with manual. My last car was an auto and loved it but it was nice to drive my OH's manual - you've got the Audi for the relaxed cruising - get something different and enjoy :smiley: Unless of course the dsg does it for you but I think in having two cars it's nice to have contrasts.
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I'm just about to confirm my order for a GTI Performance and thought that I would go for a manual as most of my mileage is on out of town roads and motorways, etc., with only a small amount stuck in traffic queues and no set daily commute. However, I'm now having second thoughts and think the 7 speed DSG would be a nice addition.
The extra cost isn't an issue and we have an A6 diesel with DSG (ironically it has the same 245hp as the Golf Performance) so I know and (mostly) like the driving experience of the auto box.
So what are peoples thoughts on manual vs DSG in a GTi?? And what impact on delivery would the switch make?
How does having an A6 with S-tronic help with the extra cost of the DSG?
Is your forum name inspired by a certain band that has an exhibition on at the moment in London?
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Nah, the old 7 speed box for low powered cars is a totally different design - and crap too.
New one is very good, of course reliabilty is something we will learn about in ~3 years time.
Crap? :huh: Didn't have any issues with the 7-speed dry in my last car for the 60.000 km / 5 years that I drove in it. Changes were pretty fast two although maybe slightly jerkier than the 6-speed wet on the MK7 but that made for a more "mechanical" feeling. Oh and it was running 35Nm (10Nm or 40% over the quoted max acceptable torque figure) for 2,5 years again without any issues.
On the topic, it's hard to beat DSG in driving comfort, I want to be shot every time I have to drive a manual in city traffic, plus I've found that by using paddles and having both hands on the wheel I could focus more on my lines on the track, unless for the very tight corners that required a gear change with the wheel at an odd angle, in which case it was no worse than the manual, just reach out for the level and push up as you would do in a manual. Still feel the same with the DSG in the Clubsport, give me a good sequential like DSG and I don't think I'll ever go back to a manual.
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If you go DSG invest in some S2T or Racingline paddles as the stock ones are just plain undersized
I've tended to go DSG as about 70% of the time I am stuck in traffic and DSG works so well with the adaptive cruise
It is engaging but just in a different way
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How does having an A6 with S-tronic help with the extra cost of the DSG?
It doesn't, but it's the first auto boxed car we've owned (excluding a Rover V8 I had when I was a student) and it generally suits the car well, but I was less sure about how it would suit a GTi.
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If you are getting the gti to drive it properly then it has to be manual. Dsg just isn't as engaging as a proper manual and. Not really sure your lose anything with a manual and ACC either.
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If you are getting the gti to drive it properly then it has to be manual. Dsg just isn't as engaging as a proper manual and. Not really sure your lose anything with a manual and ACC either.
With DSG and when using ACC in traffic the car will stop and start as the car in front of you does, works better in sport/race.
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I'm driving a manual not keen on DSG that's just me though.
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I have owned a manual mk7 GTI and now have a Mk7 GTI with DSG box albeit not the latest gearbox.... i really don't like the dsg box to be perfectly honest. Too dimwitted and indecisive when in auto D mode and when is S mode it just redlines. I admit it is good fun when giving it the beans and using paddles but around town its useless!
Get a test drive sorted to make your own mind up mate
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If you are getting the gti to drive it properly then it has to be manual. Dsg just isn't as engaging as a proper manual and. Not really sure your lose anything with a manual and ACC either.
I say this as a big fan of the manual gearbox - I've owned various performance Golfs with manual - but that's a load of nonsense.
You lose most of the benefits of ACC with the manual box. With DSG it will keep pace with the car in front. Stop/start traffic in particular is a breeze, car drives itself. No changing gears / clutch work to keep the car in the right gear as ACC adjusts the speed.
As for "driving it properly"... there's not much out there that's more satisfying than racing through the gears with the paddles, listening to the exhaust pop as you do so. And then there's Launch Control...
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If you are getting the gti to drive it properly then it has to be manual. Dsg just isn't as engaging as a proper manual and. Not really sure your lose anything with a manual and ACC either.
I say this as a big fan of the manual gearbox - I've owned various performance Golfs with manual - but that's a load of nonsense.
You lose most of the benefits of ACC with the manual box. With DSG it will keep pace with the car in front. Stop/start traffic in particular is a breeze, car drives itself. No changing gears / clutch work to keep the car in the right gear as ACC adjusts the speed.
As for "driving it properly"... there's not much out there that's more satisfying than racing through the gears with the paddles, listening to the exhaust pop as you do so. And then there's Launch Control...
I couldn't disagree more. I've tried to convince myself numerous times to like the DSG option, even convinced my wife to get it on her A3 ( she wouldn't have anything else now ) but I find using the paddles annoying and in full auto it's just plain dull.
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Sure each to their own.
As I've said, I've experienced both, I was a die hard manual person but I'd struggle to go back now. Driving the wife's car on the odd occasion I do irritates me mainly for this reason.
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I never considered getting the GTI Performance without DSG. I just find the DSG so nice to drive.
As we regularly take turns in driving - it is good to have similar driving cars.
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If you are getting the gti to drive it properly then it has to be manual. Dsg just isn't as engaging as a proper manual and. Not really sure your lose anything with a manual and ACC either.
With DSG and when using ACC in traffic the car will stop and start as the car in front of you does, works better in sport/race.
Don't you need to spec traffic jam assist for stop/start ACC? I thought ACC switches off under 3mph or similar?
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Is it really that much of a chore to press a button to re engage the ACC? I've had both boxes and much prefer the manual. Dsg is slow, never knows what gear to be in approaching roundabouts and do you really need launch control?
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Don't make your mind up about DSG after a test drive because it learns how you drive but you also learn how it works.
I drove a clubsport for what I thought was around a hundred miles but turns out it was just over 150 and I didn't like it at first but I was getting to like it better by the end. Try get a car for the weekend or even if your car is going in for work or a service try get a DSG loan car.
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I'd say go for the manual, but does that make me old skool, I don't know,
I test drove a DSG for 5 days before I bought my manual MK7 to try and convince myself that the DSG is the best option, but for me I just didn't feel properly connected to the car, but that's my opinion,
Make sure you have test driven both boxes, whichever choice you make it will be the right one for you and that's all that matters!!!
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Is it really that much of a chore to press a button to re engage the ACC? I've had both boxes and much prefer the manual. Dsg is slow, never knows what gear to be in approaching roundabouts and do you really need launch control?
It is not about pressing a button to re-enable ACC, imagine you're in traffic that is stop start and it just makes it easier to use ACC in a DSG because it will stop behind the car in front and the move again when said car moves away. Basically it will follow the car in front without you touching the peddles at all. You do need to turn off stop/start though.
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Don't you need to spec traffic jam assist for stop/start ACC? I thought ACC switches off under 3mph or similar?
Without traffic jam assist the ACC brings you to a standstill and then you touch the throttle once for it to start again and off it goes.
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DSG is slow? lol that's one I haven't heard before!
OP, try and get an extended drive in one if you're considering it. It does take a bit more than a lap around the block to get a right feel for it and I reckon many of the negative comments stem from brief test drives.
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DSG is slow? lol that's one I haven't heard before!
OP, try and get an extended drive in one if you're considering it. It does take a bit more than a lap around the block to get a right feel for it and I reckon many of the negative comments stem from brief test drives.
The DSG can appear slow if you treat it like a manual car. After driving manual for 25 years - it took me quite a while to learn how to get the most out of my DSG. For example: I used to miss manual when overtaking.
No doubt the DSG is faster accelerating. However, it can be slow to respond to sudden pedal inputs for acceleration. That's when the paddles are needed.
The OP has a DSG. Though it is a big diesel car. So it will feel completely different from the smaller petrol car.
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Don't you need to spec traffic jam assist for stop/start ACC? I thought ACC switches off under 3mph or similar?
Without traffic jam assist the ACC brings you to a standstill and then you touch the throttle once for it to start again and off it goes.
Do you need to apply the brakes at standstill?
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Manual. Take back control of your car. In terms of acceleration the DSG is obviously faster at changing gear but that's all there is to it as it adds 20Kg to the car so the power to weight ratio of the manual is higher. Manual, 3 door, standard wheels, no sunroof will give you the best power to weight and lowest c of g.
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Don't you need to spec traffic jam assist for stop/start ACC? I thought ACC switches off under 3mph or similar?
Without traffic jam assist the ACC brings you to a standstill and then you touch the throttle once for it to start again and off it goes.
Do you need to apply the brakes at standstill?
No they are applied by the car.
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DSG is slow? lol that's one I haven't heard before!
OP, try and get an extended drive in one if you're considering it. It does take a bit more than a lap around the block to get a right feel for it and I reckon many of the negative comments stem from brief test drives.
The DSG can appear slow if you treat it like a manual car. After driving manual for 25 years - it took me quite a while to learn how to get the most out of my DSG. For example: I used to miss manual when overtaking.
No doubt the DSG is faster accelerating. However, it can be slow to respond to sudden pedal inputs for acceleration. That's when the paddles are needed.
The OP has a DSG. Though it is a big diesel car. So it will feel completely different from the smaller petrol car.
When I'm about to overtake someone I just flick the DSG stick down once to put the box into Sport, it drops to the lowest gear straight away and then I have instant power ready for the overtake. I rarely use the paddles.
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When I said the dsg was slow I meant on downshifts for example approaching roundabouts or open junctions. Still think a manual is better for being properly involved with the car but every owner will have a different opinion on this. :smiley:
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Don't you need to spec traffic jam assist for stop/start ACC? I thought ACC switches off under 3mph or similar?
Without traffic jam assist the ACC brings you to a standstill and then you touch the throttle once for it to start again and off it goes.
Do you need to apply the brakes at standstill?
excellent thanks!
No they are applied by the car.
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DSG all the way for road use.
Most annoying thing is the fuel cut when overlapping brake and throttle but can be mapped out.
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Without traffic jam assist the ACC brings you to a standstill and then you touch the throttle once for it to start again and off it goes.
Only if you at rest for more than five seconds or so - less than that and it moves off again without any driver input. More time than that then you can just press the 'resume' button on the steering wheel to move off again - no need to touch the pedals at all.
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Without traffic jam assist the ACC brings you to a standstill and then you touch the throttle once for it to start again and off it goes.
Only if you at rest for more than five seconds or so - less than that and it moves off again without any driver input. More time than that then you can just press the 'resume' button on the steering wheel to move off again - no need to touch the pedals at all.
This is the exact reason I went with DSG. 90% of my time is spent driving in traffic, or on non free-flowing motorways or dual carriageways and it only seems to be getting worse.
For the other 10%, there are paddles and Sport mode.
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When I'm about to overtake someone I just flick the DSG stick down once to put the box into Sport, it drops to the lowest gear straight away and then I have instant power ready for the overtake. I rarely use the paddles.
Don't you use the paddles to upshift when on full throttle? There's rarely the need to use all of the revs in each gear.
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When I'm about to overtake someone I just flick the DSG stick down once to put the box into Sport, it drops to the lowest gear straight away and then I have instant power ready for the overtake. I rarely use the paddles.
I used to do that. Though I didn't like sitting at high revs in a low gear waiting for a gap to overtake. I found that S mode also has a delay. So I learned to use the flappy paddles for better control.
I'm looking forward to trying the new 7 speed DSG. They are discussing it on the Golf R forum and people are saying it is faster to respond :cool:
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Without traffic jam assist the ACC brings you to a standstill and then you touch the throttle once for it to start again and off it goes.
Only if you at rest for more than five seconds or so - less than that and it moves off again without any driver input. More time than that then you can just press the 'resume' button on the steering wheel to move off again - no need to touch the pedals at all.
No way! I'll try that out next time I'm in the car. Thanks for the info.
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When I'm about to overtake someone I just flick the DSG stick down once to put the box into Sport, it drops to the lowest gear straight away and then I have instant power ready for the overtake. I rarely use the paddles.
Don't you use the paddles to upshift when on full throttle? There's rarely the need to use all of the revs in each gear.
I just let the box do the upshifting and then I stick it back in D once I'm back in my lane.
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I know the DSG is ok but for me old school manual is the way for a Golf Gti there's plenty of opinions either way but as said manual for me :whistle:
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Having only ever had manual boxes in the past, I'm quite excited about getting a DSG box (otherwise I would have probably gone for an Audi A4 lease deal) - just don't think you can beat the convenience on a busy rural A road...
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Having only ever had manual boxes in the past, I'm quite excited about getting a DSG box (otherwise I would have probably gone for an Audi A4 lease deal) - just don't think you can beat the convenience on a busy rural A road...
I have driven manual all my life but since owning my 7.5 DSG for 3 weeks I don't think I'll ever go back to manual. It's phenomenal.
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I think it comes down to how much painful driving and also how it married with the engine. I was only going to buy a CS in manual but would never buy my 330d in manual ( you can't anyway ) but the big lump of torque and 8 speed auto is a match made in heaven .. but if I went for something like an M140i or Golf Gti I would go manual for the driving experience ..
Down to personal taste, if you are happy to stump up the cash and the type of driving you do mostly. All these modern auto / dsg boxes are pretty cool, in my 330d it knows from the sat nav where the junctions and sharp corners are and shifts down just before them.. Unreal really !