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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: clubsport on 10 May 2017, 17:11
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An impressive performance in this review of the new R.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpP0t7Zio9o
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That was a nice watch and I even like his Richard Hammond-esque delivery. I'm still happy I bought the GTI, it leaves me something to look forward to :wink:
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But definitely worse looking than the mk7 R. Can't stand the new almond-shaped LEDs on all 7.5 Golfs, they soften the car's looks way too much. Double U was one the few design features that made the R stand out, not any more. Oh and the shape of that new front end grille with plain horizontal and vertical lines keeps reminding me of my fridge, did it take them more than 10 minutes to come up with it? I've seen air circulation filter covers in houses with way more inspired looks. I think the GTI looks way better in 7.5 guise. Interesting to see how they go about the mk8.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/No_need_2_r_gue/mk75/Untitled_zpsyqmlttkz.png)
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I take it you own an original Mk7?
But definitely worse looking than the mk7 R. Can't stand the new almond-shaped LEDs on all 7.5 Golfs, they soften the car's looks way too much. Double U was one the few design features that made the R stand out, not any more.
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I would have the opposite opinion. In my view the new lights sharpen the look of the Golf. The facelift car has a more sporty, more modern look. I have seen a few facelift cars. In my opinion the facelift lights look really good. The U shape lights are distinctive, but not that visible on the road. The new lights can been seen from further away and are visible from more angles. Making the facelift cars much easier to spot on the road.
Though you are right about the new R lights looking the same as the other cars.
(https://photos-3.carwow.co.uk/blog/1600/vw-golf-gti-old-vs-new.jpg)
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I take it you own an original Mk7?
But definitely worse looking than the mk7 R. Can't stand the new almond-shaped LEDs on all 7.5 Golfs, they soften the car's looks way too much. Double U was one the few design features that made the R stand out, not any more.
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I would have the opposite opinion. In my view the new lights sharpen the look of the Golf. The facelift car has a more sporty, more modern look. I have seen a few facelift cars. In my opinion the facelift lights look really good. The U shape lights are distinctive, but not that visible on the road. The new lights can been seen from further away and are visible from more angles. Making the facelift cars much easier to spot on the road.
Though you are right about the new R lights looking the same as the other cars.
What I meant was that the changes on the 7.5 GTI look more "integrated" and it looks better than the mk7 but that's not the case with the R. The GTI has an overall more aggressive look now (borrowing the Clubsport side fins to an extent) so the new lights, even if they remind of Mercedes to me, don't affect it so much and it's not the flagship model anyway (although it certainly looks so now). The R though has lost some of its edge and bespoke double U drop only adds to that, a hopeless looking grille and new generic mk7.5 leds just make it much less special looking. Of-course that's just my opinion, never said I express the views of a larger audience?
PS. I own a Clubsport which is still looking sharper than either 7.5 GTI or R and so not really worried about either, just speaking out of general "performance Golf interest" and which way does the GTI/R design seem to go.
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What I meant was that the changes on the 7.5 GTI look more "integrated" and it looks better than the mk7 but that's not the case with the R. The GTI has an overall more aggressive look now (borrowing the Clubsport side fins to an extent) so the new lights, even if they remind of Mercedes to me, don't affect it so much and it's not the flagship model anyway (although it certainly looks so now).
Which Mercedes? My parents have a new C220 AMG and those lights look a lot different.
I know some people don't like the Audi comparison. Though the TT is a fine looking car and it has the Golf lights :wink: :grin:
(http://images.car.bauercdn.com/pagefiles/33231/1040x585/audittrs001.jpg)
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I have a mk7 R and overall I'm liking the facelift changes. Love the lights front and back and I think I prefer the glossy black side skirts. Also like that the radar sensor no longer sticks out like a sore thumb.
I do agree though it's a pity the R is no longer unique on the DRL's front.
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I think I have associated them with last gen E Class. It's not that they are copies of the Merc, but the lines and angles just make me think of that car. There's quite a few E-Class around here so maybe it has to do with it also.
(https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/mercedes-benz/e-class/2015/oem/2015_mercedes-benz_e-class_sedan_e400-sport-4matic_fq_oem_1_1280.jpg)
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I have a mk7 R and overall I'm liking the facelift changes. Love the lights front and back and I think I prefer the glossy black side skirts. Also like that the radar sensor no longer sticks out like a sore thumb.
I do agree though it's a pity the R is no longer unique on the DRL's front.
Back lights are also "softer" looking than the 7 imo, and the design of those ones makes me think Audi :tongue: Only thing which I find cool is the progressive indicators but overall, as a car, the R looks weaker and less interesting for the car that it actually is.
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I went to the Motor Show in London at the weekend, and all this talk of the R not looking aggressive enough is, well, just talk. It looked great, really impressed with the facelift changes. Looked bad a$$ to me!
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I went to the Motor Show in London at the weekend, and all this talk of the R not looking aggressive enough is, well, just talk. It looked great, really impressed with the facelift changes. Looked bad a$$ to me!
Having been a Geneva motor show regular for the past five years, I'd say that could be partly because it was all polished and shiny and under special lighting, they do change a car's impression a lot. In other more "daily" shots and videos it would probably look more... good-a$$ :tongue:
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I tend to agree that the R for me is just nowhere near aggressive enough in the looks department and having seen a clubsport in the flesh it is a far better looking car. If the price had been right I would have probably taken the plunge and gone for the CS as I love the bucket seats, rear spoiler and alcantara steering wheel. However, ive just ordered a new FL R at £4k less than I could have got a clubsport for and with 300bhp on tap at all time and awd it was a no brainer
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I tend to agree that the R for me is just nowhere near aggressive enough in the looks department and having seen a clubsport in the flesh it is a far better looking car. If the price had been right I would have probably taken the plunge and gone for the CS as I love the bucket seats, rear spoiler and alcantara steering wheel. However, ive just ordered a new FL R at £4k less than I could have got a clubsport for and with 300bhp on tap at all time and awd it was a no brainer
For 4k more it would be hard to opt for the Clubsport no matter how high one prioritizes dynamics and looks, it's just a lot of money for basically two variants of the same car, with the same engine turbo and gearbox that despite looking and feeling quite different to drive, they offer similar performance. That been said, Clubsport prices are very high in the UK compared to other EU countries (or R prices are very low - probably that). I managed to buy my CS loaded with every bell and whistle with a 6% discount ending up 2K less than a similarly equipped R and similarly but inversely to your case, it was also a no brainer compared to the R.
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I tend to agree that the R for me is just nowhere near aggressive enough in the looks department and having seen a clubsport in the flesh it is a far better looking car. If the price had been right I would have probably taken the plunge and gone for the CS as I love the bucket seats, rear spoiler and alcantara steering wheel. However, ive just ordered a new FL R at £4k less than I could have got a clubsport for and with 300bhp on tap at all time and awd it was a no brainer
For 4k more it would be hard to opt for the Clubsport no matter how high one prioritizes dynamics and looks, it's just a lot of money for basically two variants of the same car, with the same engine turbo and gearbox that despite looking and feeling quite different to drive, they offer similar performance. That been said, Clubsport prices are very high in the UK compared to other EU countries (or R prices are very low - probably that). I managed to buy my CS loaded with every bell and whistle with a 6% discount ending up 2K less than a similarly equipped R and similarly but inversely to your case, it was also a no brainer compared to the R.
Absolutely. Sometimes you have to put your sensible hat on and stick with your head rather than your heart. Easier said than done when your a big petrolhead. If the CS had been cheaper than the R I would have opted to go down that route
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Having been a Geneva motor show regular for the past five years, I'd say that could be partly because it was all polished and shiny and under special lighting, they do change a car's impression a lot. In other more "daily" shots and videos it would probably look more... good-a$$ :tongue:
I also nipped into a couple of dealers in London after, who both had a facelift R. Looked just a bad a$$, so nothing to do with the lighting. The changes made in and out on the facelift make it better looking than the Clubsport. Just my opinion of course.
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I also nipped into a couple of dealers in London after, who both had a facelift R. Looked just a bad a$$, so nothing to do with the lighting. The changes made in and out on the facelift make it better looking than the Clubsport. Just my opinion of course.
We clearly have different definitions about "better" :grin: but by no sports car design standard imaginable (lines, angles, bodykit, interior) I can see that the 7.5R looks meaner or sportier than the Clubsport, CraigW (and hats off to him) with a 7.5R on order seems to agree as well but we can't and shouldn't all agree on that.
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I tend to agree that the R for me is just nowhere near aggressive enough in the looks department and having seen a clubsport in the flesh it is a far better looking car. If the price had been right I would have probably taken the plunge and gone for the CS as I love the bucket seats, rear spoiler and alcantara steering wheel. However, ive just ordered a new FL R at £4k less than I could have got a clubsport for and with 300bhp on tap at all time and awd it was a no brainer
For 4k more it would be hard to opt for the Clubsport no matter how high one prioritizes dynamics and looks, it's just a lot of money for basically two variants of the same car, with the same engine turbo and gearbox that despite looking and feeling quite different to drive, they offer similar performance. That been said, Clubsport prices are very high in the UK compared to other EU countries (or R prices are very low - probably that). I managed to buy my CS loaded with every bell and whistle with a 6% discount ending up 2K less than a similarly equipped R and similarly but inversely to your case, it was also a no brainer compared to the R.
Absolutely. Sometimes you have to put your sensible hat on and stick with your head rather than your heart. Easier said than done when your a big petrolhead. If the CS had been cheaper than the R I would have opted to go down that route
I would be fine paying the R price after all options and discounts added as you get different things with the Clubsport that you don't in the R and for me the AWD alone had never been a pre-requisite as such, even 1k more for the exclusivity, but anything above that would feel like falling for marketing games. I am pretty sure the R will be perfect to live with as well.
PS. Speaking of exclusivity, in an ocean of GTIs and Rs around here, I see some familiar, "angry" mask filling my RVM the other day and as soon as the guy is right up my jacksy I realize "sh!t it's a CS as well!", (in 8 months I've only seen another one standing in a dealership), guy briefly flashing his lights like "hey, i know you" and as we get side by side on a free highway giving each other thumbs up with a big grin on our faces, it felt like I met a brother I didn't know I had :grin: I know it probably is silly in its essence but I had never got such credit with any of my past, more "mass-type" performance cars.
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Having been a Geneva motor show regular for the past five years, I'd say that could be partly because it was all polished and shiny and under special lighting, they do change a car's impression a lot. In other more "daily" shots and videos it would probably look more... good-a$$ :tongue:
I also nipped into a couple of dealers in London after, who both had a facelift R. Looked just a bad a$$, so nothing to do with the lighting. The changes made in and out on the facelift make it better looking than the Clubsport. Just my opinion of course.
I think this is is more likely the reason you like the 7.5 R than the fact you really actually like it:
Drive them both mate, see which one you like. Personally, I'd go for the facelift GTI, but then I'm a sucker for having the latest toy/gadget etc, and the changes to the 7.5 certainly differentiate it from the 7 - but it's personal preference at the end of the day.
Kind of a bit like a woman in my office who turned up last week with her new £1200 iPad Pro and put an advert up selling her old one (less than two years old, possibly newer than that) for about £300.
"What does that do that the old one didn't?" Everyone asked.
"Dunno, better graphics I suppose"
"But you wear glasses and don't have eyesight like a hawk"
No kids, lots of money coming in so just a reason to keep herself amused for five minutes.
Modern living eh?
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I think this is is more likely the reason you like the 7.5 R than the fact you really actually like it:
Drive them both mate, see which one you like. Personally, I'd go for the facelift GTI, but then I'm a sucker for having the latest toy/gadget etc, and the changes to the 7.5 certainly differentiate it from the 7 - but it's personal preference at the end of the day.
Kind of a bit like a woman in my office who turned up last week with her new £1200 iPad Pro and put an advert up selling her old one (less than two years old, possibly newer than that) for about £300.
"What does that do that the old one didn't?" Everyone asked.
"Dunno, better graphics I suppose"
"But you wear glasses and don't have eyesight like a hawk"
No kids, lots of money coming in so just a reason to keep herself amused for five minutes.
Modern living eh?
That's certainly one of the reasons yes, the facelift changes to the interior are certainly a big plus from my point of view as I like new tech, and having had a digital dash for the last 9 months I much prefer it to the old school dash. I could list out many reasons why to differentiate myself from the lady in your office if you wish! :laugh:
However, I also like the exterior changes as well. Don't get me wrong, the Clubsport is a nice looking car - I just think the R is better looking - but as I stated to the other person above, it really is just my opinion and if we all had the same taste the world would be a very boring place.
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I could list out many reasons why to differentiate myself from the lady in your office if you wish! :laugh:
However, I also like the exterior changes as well. Don't get me wrong, the Clubsport is a nice looking car - I just think the R is better looking - but as I stated to the other person above, it really is just my opinion and if we all had the same taste the world would be a very boring place.
Yeah, you're very likely not grossly overweight and have much better eyesight! :grin:
Plus you have a much better taste in cars!
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I could list out many reasons why to differentiate myself from the lady in your office if you wish! :laugh:
However, I also like the exterior changes as well. Don't get me wrong, the Clubsport is a nice looking car - I just think the R is better looking - but as I stated to the other person above, it really is just my opinion and if we all had the same taste the world would be a very boring place.
Yeah, you're very likely not grossly overweight and have much better eyesight! :grin:
Plus you have a much better taste in cars!
Ha ha, well option 3 maybe...but the first two I'm answering 'no comment' :grin:
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I see this with a lot of other graphic designers who use Macs. They rave about Macs because they have been brain washed it's better than a PC. But then I ask why is it better and they don't have a clue and just answer because its a Mac. If only they knew the components inside PC and Mac were pretty much exactly the same. If you know why you like a MK7.5 Golf and why you want to update then fair play. But if you must always have the latest thing as you are following the herd with no clue why you are doing so? Then I have nothing more to say. However the guys on this forum do know why they like the MK7.5 so all is good. :smiley:
Apart from a few comestics and tweaks the MK7 and MK7.5 are practically the same car. It's just a matter of personal preference and whether some of us like the styling of one or the other. Personally I in the MK7 camp in regards to the Golf R. But someone else will prefer the MK7.5 styling. If we all like the same thing it would be really boring.
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Apart from a few comestics and tweaks the MK7 and MK7.5 are practically the same car.
Not quite. I think the addition of the 7-speed to the DSG box is a significant difference, it's the main feature that would draw me to upgrading...
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I see this with a lot of other graphic designers who use Macs. They rave about Macs because they have been brain washed it's better than a PC. But then I ask why is it better and they don't have a clue and just answer because its a Mac. If only they knew the components inside PC and Mac were pretty much exactly the same. If you know why you like a MK7.5 Golf and why you want to update then fair play. But if you must always have the latest thing as you are following the herd with no clue why you are doing so? Then I have nothing more to say. However the guys on this forum do know why they like the MK7.5 so all is good. :smiley:
Apart from a few comestics and tweaks the MK7 and MK7.5 are practically the same car. It's just a matter of personal preference and whether some of us like the styling of one or the other. Personally I in the MK7 camp in regards to the Golf R. But someone else will prefer the MK7.5 styling. If we all like the same thing it would be really boring.
FWIW I have used Windows all of my life on various different platforms and devices. I bought my first Mac 3 years ago and I would never go back, it's just as fast today as it was when I first had it. It's not perfect though and Windows does excel better in various other areas but for my needs a Mac is better hands down.
As you were.
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I see this with a lot of other graphic designers who use Macs. They rave about Macs because they have been brain washed it's better than a PC. But then I ask why is it better and they don't have a clue and just answer because its a Mac. If only they knew the components inside PC and Mac were pretty much exactly the same. If you know why you like a MK7.5 Golf and why you want to update then fair play. But if you must always have the latest thing as you are following the herd with no clue why you are doing so? Then I have nothing more to say. However the guys on this forum do know why they like the MK7.5 so all is good. :smiley:
Apart from a few comestics and tweaks the MK7 and MK7.5 are practically the same car. It's just a matter of personal preference and whether some of us like the styling of one or the other. Personally I in the MK7 camp in regards to the Golf R. But someone else will prefer the MK7.5 styling. If we all like the same thing it would be really boring.
FWIW I have used Windows all of my life on various different platforms and devices. I bought my first Mac 3 years ago and I would never go back, it's just as fast today as it was when I first had it. It's not perfect though and Windows does excel better in various other areas but for my needs a Mac is better hands down.
As you were.
@ Hog_Hedge: Although off topic, I would agree that Mac or PC for consumers and home use doesn't really matter. Just get the one you prefer to use in regards to OS and software.
However I am a seasoned graphic designer and 3D animator. I have used both Mac and PC and I also build workstations (server grade, not consumer PCS). In regards to my needs I can confirm A PC can out perform any Mac today. My current PC is 32 Cores with dual Xeon processors and K5000 Quadro GPU. Not a single processor computer like the Mac Pro (aka Darth Vaders Bin). A decade or two ago this would have been a different story with the G5 workstations of old. This is why there is a larger proportion of PC Workstations in the 3D/animation industry than Macs. I even know of die hard mac fans who are designers, now wondering whether to go to the dark side and get a PC as they can obtain a more powerful computer than their current Mac to speed up their workflow. Mac used to have the edge, but they have lost it recently. As I say for your needs you will probably find a Mac is fine so enjoy the experience. But for my needs I require every ounce of power available to render animation and physical dynamic simulations which only a PC can provide. But my point earlier was that you know why you have your Mac, not just because it is shiny metal... Anyway everyone to their own and if we all liked the same thing it would be real boring! :smiley:
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Apart from a few comestics and tweaks the MK7 and MK7.5 are practically the same car.
Not quite. I think the addition of the 7-speed to the DSG box is a significant difference, it's the main feature that would draw me to upgrading...
But if you were to get a manual Gearbox the fact the DSG was 7 speed would be pointless. However a 7 speed DSG is a significant change if you are in the market for an automatic gearbox, in that case I stand corrected... But I would personally get a manual gearbox so to me it would be more a case of comstic changes and tweaks to the engine etc,.
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I see this with a lot of other graphic designers who use Macs. They rave about Macs because they have been brain washed it's better than a PC. But then I ask why is it better and they don't have a clue and just answer because its a Mac. If only they knew the components inside PC and Mac were pretty much exactly the same. If you know why you like a MK7.5 Golf and why you want to update then fair play. But if you must always have the latest thing as you are following the herd with no clue why you are doing so? Then I have nothing more to say. However the guys on this forum do know why they like the MK7.5 so all is good. :smiley:
Apart from a few comestics and tweaks the MK7 and MK7.5 are practically the same car. It's just a matter of personal preference and whether some of us like the styling of one or the other. Personally I in the MK7 camp in regards to the Golf R. But someone else will prefer the MK7.5 styling. If we all like the same thing it would be really boring.
FWIW I have used Windows all of my life on various different platforms and devices. I bought my first Mac 3 years ago and I would never go back, it's just as fast today as it was when I first had it. It's not perfect though and Windows does excel better in various other areas but for my needs a Mac is better hands down.
As you were.
@ Hog_Hedge: Although off topic, I would agree that Mac or PC for consumers and home use doesn't really matter. Just get the one you prefer to use in regards to OS and software.
However I am a seasoned graphic designer and 3D animator. I have used both Mac and PC and I also build workstations (server grade, not consumer PCS). In regards to my needs I can confirm A PC can out perform any Mac today. My current PC is 32 Cores with dual Xeon processors and K5000 Quadro GPU. Not a single processor computer like the Mac Pro (aka Darth Vaders Bin). A decade or two ago this would have been a different story with the G5 workstations of old. This is why there is a larger proportion of PC Workstations in the 3D/animation industry than Macs. I even know of die hard mac fans who are designers, now wondering whether to go to the dark side and get a PC as they can obtain a more powerful computer than their current Mac to speed up their workflow. Mac used to have the edge, but they have lost it recently. As I say for your needs you will probably find a Mac is fine so enjoy the experience. But for my needs I require every ounce of power available to render animation and physical dynamic simulations which only a PC can provide. But my point earlier was that you know why you have your Mac, not just because it is shiny metal... Anyway everyone to their own and if we all liked the same thing it would be real boring! :smiley:
You're posting on the wrong forum bud
Didn't you mean to go to this one? http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/ (http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/)
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I went to the Motor Show in London at the weekend, and all this talk of the R not looking aggressive enough is, well, just talk. It looked great, really impressed with the facelift changes. Looked bad a$$ to me!
I have to agree, I saw one in the flesh for the first time last weekend. They look much much better than the pictures would have you believe.
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Excuse my ignorance, but what advantages does the 7 speed dsg have over the 6 speed? Ta.
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I went to the Motor Show in London at the weekend, and all this talk of the R not looking aggressive enough is, well, just talk. It looked great, really impressed with the facelift changes. Looked bad a$$ to me!
I have to agree, I saw one in the flesh for the first time last weekend. They look much much better than the pictures would have you believe.
I've not seen a FL R in the flesh yet myself but I'd say that it's pretty much going to be like most of the rest of the range in that those of us who spend far too much time on the forums looking at pics of them get a bit over critical and desensitised to it all.
But whatever model of performance Golf you see out on the open roads, from the hordes of GTD's to the odd sighting of a Clubsport or 7.5 GTI/D they do still stand out as very nicely proportioned cars with subtle but sporty styling.
I've only seen one FL GTI in flat white so far and have to say it looks tons better in the flesh than in pics, even the wheels which tend to get a bit of harsh criticism on the forums.
I was never a Clubsport fan until I'd seen a couple in the flesh.
And I see loads of GTD's some days and an increasing amount of mk7 GTIs too and with their detailing they do stand out from the crowd in the traffic. Those LED U DRL's really stand out on certain colours and I'm sure the FL cars' LED lights will stand out even more so.
The slight power boost of the FL R would be the only real attraction of one to me, I think all of the other styling features of it are a bit of a downgrade with it no longer getting proper skirts and the face looking like a less tall Tiguan R Line.
However being as it looks like a short arse R Line Tiguan also means it has the bang up to date family face styling so it'll look fresh for a couple of years longer than the pre FL cars... :undecided:
Excuse my ignorance, but what advantages does the 7 speed dsg have over the 6 speed? Ta.
An extra hiccup when going up through the gears and an extra bit of gearing if you're on a mission on a clear Autobahn.
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my opinion.. for what its worth.
I wish VW and all other manufacturers would just stop wasting time and energy on tweaking things like DRL's and indicators.. they frankly seem intent these days on a competition to see who can make the most ridiculous DRL's like it matters.. First Audi were kings of it, then Merc with the E class and ridiculous inverted upside down lighting bolt DRL's and so it goes on..
I get that these tweaks seem essential in a facelift but I would rather they put some time and effort into other things rather than just trying to keep up with the Jones's (aka gesture control - why ??) Never ever did I sit in a car and say I cant be arsed to reach 10 cm to the dial or actually use the buttons on the steering wheel..
Personally I much preferred the GTi the way it was in terms of the front end and the wheels and if I hadn't gone for a CS a just-used Mk7 would have been top of my list. I get why some might want the newer "fresher" look though..
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Dresser, I know what you mean. But thank god vw have stayed true mostly to the essence of the Golf .IMO the finest car produced for not only the masses but with GTI and R competition far way above the cost.
These things you mention are options,which at standard spec. Agree you don't need, until they become standard. They have to compete,but still with class. I have a hire Astra turbo sri initially you think this is nice and well equipped 10 miles and you realise it's no more than a dressed up Datsun, Japanese bling body shell. Ok not that bad but no way a Golf. Class can come cheap.
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Excuse my ignorance, but what advantages does the 7 speed dsg have over the 6 speed? Ta.
Apparently gears 1-6 are slightly shorter with a long gear 7. It is supposed to be noticeably faster and smoother shifting. In the new Golf R it has resulted in an improvement in both performance and fuel economy.
I know some people here will be shocked, but I just don't understand what looks sharp and sporty about U shaped headlights. I have been looking to change car for the last 2 years and the style of Mk 7 Golf never appealed to me. I always liked the rear of the Mk7, but never liked the front end. Luckily for me, I really do like what VW have done with the style of the new headlights. Though I guess if some people are in love with the old U shape they just won't see it.
The new headlights are also a change in technology from Xenon to LED. In combination with Dynamic Light Assist, they are not just low beam and high beam, but multi-beam. They should offer noticeable benefits. Especially as I live in the countryside.
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I have to admit the xenons on the 7 for me were not as good as those on my 6 and a let down so will be good to see what the LEDs are like
I think the front is tidied up nicely now they have lost the chrome strip but think they should have ditched the satin mirror caps and they have worked on the wagon
My favourite looking Mk7 is a Clubsport on 19s as they got it so right especially in the classic GTI colours and it seems to tick the emotion box.
R is sublime but progress in one is too easy, you make rapid progress but not particularly satisfying and for me i see ours as just two cars as it has not really grabbed at the emotions. I know a few who have sort the same thing and gone CS or BMW routes. This is why for me it works in estate form best as its only competition is the Seat.
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Excuse my ignorance, but what advantages does the 7 speed dsg have over the 6 speed? Ta.
Apparently gears 1-6 are slightly shorter with a long gear 7. It is supposed to be noticeably faster and smoother shifting. In the new Golf R it has resulted in an improvement in both performance and fuel economy.
I know some people here will be shocked, but I just don't understand what looks sharp and sporty about U shaped headlights. I have been looking to change car for the last 2 years and the style of Mk 7 Golf never appealed to me. I always liked the rear of the Mk7, but never liked the front end. Luckily for me, I really do like what VW have done with the style of the new headlights. Though I guess if some people are in love with the old U shape they just won't see it.
The new headlights are also a change in technology from Xenon to LED. In combination with Dynamic Light Assist, they are not just low beam and high beam, but multi-beam. They should offer noticeable benefits. Especially as I live in the countryside.
The new 7speed should of course be an improvement but Noticeable faster and smoother? You sure you're not quoting some press release here? I can hardly feel the changes in the DSG6, as for speed, well let's say I never thought it was slow shifting? Pretty much the opposite. And LED offering noticeable benefits? Bi-xenons on the mk7 CS/GTI/R work fine for me and there's no road lights in most areas around here due to wildlife preservation purposes. Never thought they were lacking in power or range and let's wait to see the LEDs in action first, no? There must be some "new car beats everything else" type of enthousiasm in this post so I'll not argue any more, that's a sacred feeling :wink:
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LED headlights are significantly better than xenon. You'll defo notice a massive improvement on distance as well as the colour of light they produce.
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The new 7speed should of course be an improvement but Noticeable faster and smoother? You sure you're not quoting some press release here? I can hardly feel the changes in the DSG6, as for speed, well let's say I never thought it was slow shifting? Pretty much the opposite. And LED offering noticeable benefits? Bi-xenons on the mk7 CS/GTI/R work fine for me and there's no road lights in most areas around here due to wildlife preservation purposes. Never thought they were lacking in power or range and let's wait to see the LEDs in action first, no? There must be some "new car beats everything else" type of enthousiasm in this post so I'll not argue any more, that's a sacred feeling :wink:
To answer your first question - on an Audi forum, owners of the facelift S3 have reported that their new 7 speed DSGs feel 'noticeably faster and smoother' than their old 6 speed DSG.
To answer your second question - my parents have LED headlights. They are definitely brighter and reach further than my Xenons and the Xenons on my wife's A3. Though as you say the Xenons are very good. I also read a review from another driver saying that the Dynamic Light Assist was excellent and really made a big difference.
As for your last comment... seriously? After all your "I own it, so it is the best" comments! :rolleyes: :whistle:
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To answer your first question - on an Audi forum, owners of the facelift S3 have reported that their new 7 speed DSGs feel 'noticeably faster and smoother' than their old 6 speed DSG.
That's fair enough and it may feel different, but is that a placebo effect that it's faster.
Cold hard facts showing the difference in "noticeably faster" would be good.
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Isn't the 0-60 time of the new Golf R claimed to be 0.3 seconds faster than the original DSG car?
I'm reading through the latest VW Driver mag. They have a full review of the new 230hp GTI DSG. They are reporting a 0-60 time of 6.1 seconds. The test car also had the advantage of the wider Pirelli tyres for better grip. Compare that to the recent review on youtube that claimed the 245hp GTI Performance DSG had a 0-60 time of 5.7 seconds on the standard Bridgestone tyres.
Obviously these tests are not being carried out back-to-back. So there may be other factors influencing the results. However, there would appear to be a measurable difference. Though, I'm not sure how noticeable that would be in the real world. And, I don't know how much of that improvement can be attributed to the new DSG.
At some point VW Driver mag will be doing a review of the GTI Performance. Hopefully that will provide a better comparison and provide more answers.
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Increasingly common on these sort of boxes to add the extra gear to aid cruising and improve the acceleration as they develop and move to a new generation and lower emissions (all be it new road tax system does not seem to necessarily encourage this)
Would be interesting to know if manual mode is true manual so it does not change up at the limiter and kick down, the two things that right royally annoy me and what the RS3 lest you do.
0-60 times are impressive and refer to these as 'numbers' cars these days as in a similar manner to the RS3.
Funnily enough having been a 'numbers' sort of person I have never paid much attention to the stats on the 2 series as they are secondary
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The new 7speed should of course be an improvement but Noticeable faster and smoother? You sure you're not quoting some press release here? I can hardly feel the changes in the DSG6, as for speed, well let's say I never thought it was slow shifting? Pretty much the opposite. And LED offering noticeable benefits? Bi-xenons on the mk7 CS/GTI/R work fine for me and there's no road lights in most areas around here due to wildlife preservation purposes. Never thought they were lacking in power or range and let's wait to see the LEDs in action first, no? There must be some "new car beats everything else" type of enthousiasm in this post so I'll not argue any more, that's a sacred feeling :wink:
To answer your first question - on an Audi forum, owners of the facelift S3 have reported that their new 7 speed DSGs feel 'noticeably faster and smoother' than their old 6 speed DSG.
To answer your second question - my parents have LED headlights. They are definitely brighter and reach further than my Xenons and the Xenons on my wife's A3. Though as you say the Xenons are very good. I also read a review from another driver saying that the Dynamic Light Assist was excellent and really made a big difference.
As for your last comment... seriously? After all your "I own it, so it is the best" comments! :rolleyes: :whistle:
Oh, I missed that reply. Sorry but you say "facelift owners in an Audi forum". I spent some time in a few forums back when the S3 was in my plans and with a few exceptions, the "impression" comments in that place are not to be taken seriously. It's the place where most owners also found that the S3 was handling superb and as for the smugness well, you'd think that if one perfect car existed that would be every Audi... As one said already, hard data on acceleration where traction or tyres are not the major factor (and by that i don't mean 0-60 in a FWD car \) would be welcome to really see what difference the new 7 speed makes.
PS. Your last comment doesn't make any sense at all. When and where did I ever say that what I own is the best? :huh: Feedback on the driving and behavior of the car I already live with for almost a year is something rather expected in forums (let alone that most of those findings haven been confirmed afterwards by other owners). You are describing the benefits of some pretty quantifiable upgrades like the new lights and the gearbox (nothing subjective as looks) with the certainty of a long time owner without probably having even been inside a FL car yet :grin: Get your car, try it and then let us know how it is, isn't that a more sensible thing to do than just replicating promotion quotes before even doing one single trip in yours?
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You are describing the benefits of some pretty quantifiable upgrades like the new lights and the gearbox (nothing subjective as looks) with the certainty of a long time owner without probably having even been inside a FL car yet :grin: Get your car, try it and then let us know how it is, isn't that a more sensible thing to do than just replicating promotion quotes before even doing one single trip in yours?
Yes I have driven a Mk7.5 GTD manual without Dynamic Light Assist. So unfortunately I have no first hand experience of either technology. Therefore I have to rely on other peoples' impressions and hope they are not suffering from the Endowment Effect.
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A facelift is always going to divide opinion and put some people's nose out of joint