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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Exonian on 19 April 2017, 16:55
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A couple of years ago, when I had a GTI, the roads and forums were full of GTDs and R's.
Nobody it seemed bought GTI's anymore (ok, quite a few on here did but in general they were few and far between).
I was driving back to the West Country from the airport at the weekend and all I saw were mk7 GTIs everywhere. There seems to have been an explosion of GTIs. I even saw a ClubSport yesterday. So there you have it, 99% of the time during the working week all you'll see is reps and commuters in their company GTDs and middle managers and leasers in their Rs.
GTIs must be bought almost exclusively by private buyers that head for the coast on bank holiday weekends.
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I still rarely see another, a few GTDs, the odd R but hardly ever a GTI. Not that bothered though, so long as they keep stamping them out :smiley:
As for getting away on a Bank Holiday weekend, chance'd be a fine thing, I'm always bloody working :angry:
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Over the course of this and the next generation I would imagine the popularity of the GTD will decline, and we'll see fewer of them.
I'm not fully convinced about the GTE either, I think it's the eGolf where the models future lies. Over time, I would expect this technology to be rolled out across the range, including the GTi, rather than simply being a standalone version.
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I'm still seeing a lot of GTDs, but never new ones, so I reckon there is a change happening. A few things driving this, I think:
1. Dieselgate and the exposure of the NOx problem. A general loss of confidence in diesel.
2. The GTD has lost the cutting edge of the VW performance diesel. It's too refined!
3. The GTI has developed very reasonable fuel consumption while not losing decent performance over a power band nearly as wide as that of the GTD. It is truly an excellent package.
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When I picked up my Gti in December the dealer said to me they don't sell many Gti's. Their 'Bread and Butter' models were Golf/Polo diesels.
On a separate note, I was reading a popular VW magazine the other day and was wondering, do many people buy after market Tuning/accessories for their cars anymore i.e. replacement suspension, Hi-Fi units etc. when so many cars are bought on pcp's or leased.
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Since i started looking at buying a Golf Gti over the last 2 months, I have only seen 1 on the road. I see lots of GTD's and even a few R's. I was wondering why GTI's were so rare. . .
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I see lots of GTD's and R's but I also see quite a few GTi's.
Seen an R in night blue the other day and he mentioned how good mine sounded with the sport and sound pack. :smiley:
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I'm seeing a lot more GTI's around my area, although by a lot I mean about 3 :smiley:
It's still an increase from 3 months ago when there was mine and one other.
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GTD's everywhere in Doncaster. I'm the only GTI. Maybe not but I don't see any. Plenty of R's tho.
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GTD's everywhere in Doncaster. I'm the only GTI. Maybe not but I don't see any. Plenty of R's tho.
Over the border slightly in Rotherham (near M18 J1), but GTI here!
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GTI's have been a very scare sight round my way, but I have noticed a a few more on the road in the last couple of months, but still not a common sight by any stretch. R's are slightly more in number but still sub 10 and similar number of GTD's. In the great scheme of things they are all fairly exclusive. Seeing a lot more R-line flavour models around. Imposters. :grin:
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I think the thing probably is something like this:
If you want a well spec'ed oil burning golf, its the GTD. In fact a GT 150ps TDI with some options is such a bad deal it actually makes more sense to buy a GTD. So if you have decided on a NOx monster, this is probably where you will end up assuming you don't have a tight budget, but the middle of the Golf range is quite unattractive.
On the petrol front its not so clear. You can have a reasonably performing petrol GT but again the spec is seriously less for the money, so why not have all the toys and go a bit further to one of the performance models, the fuel economy isn't massively decreased by doing so. When you get to that decision point, is an R a serious stretch from a GTI? Well, no not really and its 4WD and its lots more power.... no, sod it, lets have the top of the range.
I think if you want to see rare beasts, its the middle of the Golf range that has the least sales, particularly a middle spec estate in petrol.
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I see a lot more normal Golfs than performance Golfs. Of those, about half are GTD and about the same between GTI and R. I even saw a GTE once.
The thing is a buyer needs to draw the line somewhere. If you add 2-3k on top of what you are looking at there's always something else within reach and then there's something beyond that etc. I did look at the R, the Cupra and the Audi S3 as well but went for the GTI in the end mainly because I didn't want my running costs to sky rocket (my previous car was a Golf diesel.) and I'm a relatively high mileage driver.
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I see a lot more normal Golfs than performance Golfs. Of those, about half are GTD and about the same between GTI and R. I even saw a GTE once.
The thing is a buyer needs to draw the line somewhere. If you add 2-3k on top of what you are looking at there's always something else within reach and then there's something beyond that etc. I did look at the R, the Cupra and the Audi S3 as well but went for the GTI in the end mainly because I didn't want my running costs to sky rocket (my previous car was a Golf diesel.) and I'm a relatively high mileage driver.
Someone else referred to this as 'mission creep'. It is hard to avoid. By the time I'm finished with the options list my car will be £6k more than the basic 3 door manual. :shocked:
I see mostly GTD's. Which isn't surprising given the rural location. At the seaside, at the weekends, there is a good variety cruising up and down the Prom. There even appears to be a fair few performance Golf fakes. Cars with twin or quad exhausts to look like the GTI or R. The best I saw was a Mk7 Golf with a single rear exhaust and it appeared to have the front end of a GTD. That mod must have cost thousands.
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Thing is you have to draw a line in the sand somewhere when it comes to cost, otherwise they just spiral out of control.
I agree with Fred that looking at something like a 150PS TDI GT or R-Line model represents relatively poor value when you add on the costs of the "missing" bits of equipment that the GTD has. I specced one on the configurator a short while ago, and getting a GT DSG to as near the spec of a vanilla GTD as possible, ended up with the GT costing a few hundred pounds more !
On the flip side, if all the extra tech that the performance models have leaves you cold (performance, Xenon's, Climate control, winter pack, 18" alloys etc. etc.), then a standard off the shelf GT or R-Line does end up at quite a but lower price than a GTD. I knwo what I would want and I ordered a GTD (my second).
If you have a budget of say £30k for the new car then a manual or Auto GTD or GTI would be my choice without options (OK maybe metallic paint) with the most expensive of the foursome (the GTI 5 door DSG) coming in at £29,935.00. As I said, it's all about the line in the sand, because if a £30k is your maximum (and that's pushing you), then another £2k for an R (£31,865 for a 3 door manual) to nearly £4k (£33,395) for the 5 door DSG might just be the straw that broke the camels back.
Obviously I'm quoting list prices and I know we would all get discount off these, but I'm pretty sure the price differential between models after discount will still be something similar.
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Golf 7 GTI is very rare in Belgium. And so far didn't come across another Clubsport
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I like that my car is quite rare around here...but had I been buying 6 months later I am sure I would have chosen the R.
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150 bhp would probably be adequate for my needs, unfortunately the standard spec of the GT and R-Line models is not.
I'd happily take one if it'd save me some money, however by the time I add on LED headlights, 18 alloys, climate control and the winter pack it then makes more sense to buy a GTD or a GTi.
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Golf 7 GTI is very rare in Belgium. And so far didn't come across another Clubsport
I see more Clubsports in my area than normal GTI's! Few R's and a lot of GTD's.
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Reason I went GTI over the R is the fact it's more practical, it's one of the few hot hatches you can fit a towbar too and legally tow!
Much needed for my bike carrier.
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Very rarely see a 7GTI around my way. There are a few more 7GTDs, but I would say 7Rs outnumber both. I've haven't seen another CS so far.
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Slightly off topic but GTI related, almost :smiley:
Had a trip to a few dealers this morning to check out potential new cars for my wife.
She originally fancied a new GTI in Oryx white but has been talked out of this by my 2 sons who don't think 2 GTI's on the drive is a good idea. What the **** would they know?
Anyway, she's ruled out 3 door cars so no scirocco or TT which is a shame because I like them both.
Can't bring myself to look at Merc A class so it was off to BMW to look at the 1 series.
By the way, this is the EXACT same routine that we did 3 years ago before she ended up with a A3 sportback s line :rolleyes:
We both liked the 1 series to some extent but little things put us off. Namely the fact that they all have manual handbrakes in a slightly weird position and they are full of a shiny black plastic trim that looks prone to scratches. The stop start button is also positioned in an odd place. Also, the foot pedals are quite noticeably offset to the right.
This is the same conclusion we came to 3 years age :grin:
She only wants a car in the same size bracket as the Golf/A3 so not looking at 3 series or A4's and the like.
It really is a dilemma, and she's now gone back to fancying a GTI again.
I think it may be worth hanging fire until the Mk8 Golf and new A3 arrive in the hopefully not too distant future :whistle:
Conclusion - the Golf GTI is the best all round car that sensible money can buy, period!
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Slightly off topic but GTI related, almost :smiley:
Had a trip to a few dealers this morning to check out potential new cars for my wife.
She originally fancied a new GTI in Oryx white but has been talked out of this by my 2 sons who don't think 2 GTI's on the drive is a good idea. What the **** would they know?
Anyway, she's ruled out 3 door cars so no scirocco or TT which is a shame because I like them both.
Can't bring myself to look at Merc A class so it was off to BMW to look at the 1 series.
By the way, this is the EXACT same routine that we did 3 years ago before she ended up with a A3 sportback s line :rolleyes:
We both liked the 1 series to some extent but little things put us off. Namely the fact that they all have manual handbrakes in a slightly weird position and they are full of a shiny black plastic trim that looks prone to scratches. The stop start button is also positioned in an odd place. Also, the foot pedals are quite noticeably offset to the right.
This is the same conclusion we came to 3 years age :grin:
She only wants a car in the same size bracket as the Golf/A3 so not looking at 3 series or A4's and the like.
It really is a dilemma, and she's now gone back to fancying a GTI again.
I think it may be worth hanging fire until the Mk8 Golf and new A3 arrive in the hopefully not too distant future :whistle:
Conclusion - the Golf GTI is the best all round car that sensible money can buy, period!
My routines for buying cars tend to be pretty similar.
Get fed up with looking at a Golf.
Look at everything else but a Golf.
End up back in a Golf and wonder why I've just wasted two years depreciation as I may as well have kept my last one. :rolleyes: :whistle:
Tell her to wait for the mk8.
I'd warmed to the facelifted cars after looking at photos of them until I saw two in the flesh this week, both black funnily enough. One was an R on Cadiz and I thought the new bumper looked hideous from the front but it looked marginally nicer from the back.
The second was a non Performance Golf and I had a bit better look at this one as it was parked up. I sort of felt ok about it, the front just has some Passat style corporate tweaks done to it and the rear looked a bit better than the pre-FL non performance Golfs but then I saw the binnacle where the dials should be. One word came in my head "Cyclops"
It might look cool when switched on but it looks bloody awful switched off. Really ugly.
And yes, the GTI is the best all round car that sensible money can buy, FL or non-FL.
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GTD's everywhere in Doncaster. I'm the only GTI. Maybe not but I don't see any. Plenty of R's tho.
Over the border slightly in Rotherham (near M18 J1), but GTI here!
Little more across the way u know to two Carbon Grey GTI's in Sheffield mine and tbe lad that parked nose to nose with me in morrisons in Ecclesfield :whistle:
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VW:
"Best selling precise model/trim is predicted to be GTD 5dr manual with an estimated 7% of sales"
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Slightly off topic but GTI related, almost :smiley:
Had a trip to a few dealers this morning to check out potential new cars for my wife.
She originally fancied a new GTI in Oryx white but has been talked out of this by my 2 sons who don't think 2 GTI's on the drive is a good idea. What the **** would they know?
Anyway, she's ruled out 3 door cars so no scirocco or TT which is a shame because I like them both.
Can't bring myself to look at Merc A class so it was off to BMW to look at the 1 series.
By the way, this is the EXACT same routine that we did 3 years ago before she ended up with a A3 sportback s line :rolleyes:
We both liked the 1 series to some extent but little things put us off. Namely the fact that they all have manual handbrakes in a slightly weird position and they are full of a shiny black plastic trim that looks prone to scratches. The stop start button is also positioned in an odd place. Also, the foot pedals are quite noticeably offset to the right.
This is the same conclusion we came to 3 years age :grin:
She only wants a car in the same size bracket as the Golf/A3 so not looking at 3 series or A4's and the like.
It really is a dilemma, and she's now gone back to fancying a GTI again.
I think it may be worth hanging fire until the Mk8 Golf and new A3 arrive in the hopefully not too distant future :whistle:
Conclusion - the Golf GTI is the best all round car that sensible money can buy, period!
My routines for buying cars tend to be pretty similar.
Get fed up with looking at a Golf.
Look at everything else but a Golf.
End up back in a Golf and wonder why I've just wasted two years depreciation as I may as well have kept my last one. :rolleyes: :whistle:
Tell her to wait for the mk8.
I'd warmed to the facelifted cars after looking at photos of them until I saw two in the flesh this week, both black funnily enough. One was an R on Cadiz and I thought the new bumper looked hideous from the front but it looked marginally nicer from the back.
The second was a non Performance Golf and I had a bit better look at this one as it was parked up. I sort of felt ok about it, the front just has some Passat style corporate tweaks done to it and the rear looked a bit better than the pre-FL non performance Golfs but then I saw the binnacle where the dials should be. One word came in my head "Cyclops"
It might look cool when switched on but it looks bloody awful switched off. Really ugly.
And yes, the GTI is the best all round car that sensible money can buy, FL or non-FL.
You're spot on as regards the new binnacle, it looks like crap when it's off!
As far as 'telling' my wife to do something is concerned, I'd probably get a punch in the balls for my trouble :whistle:
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"Coax"
Come up with an idea then convince her it was her idea!
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GTD's everywhere in Doncaster. I'm the only GTI. Maybe not but I don't see any. Plenty of R's tho.
Over the border slightly in Rotherham (near M18 J1), but GTI here!
Little more across the way i know to two Carbon Grey GTI's in Sheffield mine and the lad that parked nose to nose with me in morrisons in Ecclesfield a few months back :whistle: