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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Mr Savage on 28 February 2017, 22:15
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After deciding to wait on the 7.5 R due to problems with allocations and my dealer plain right refusing to discount the price whatsoever i've been taking a look at what used R's are on the market. Now i'm guessing this is due to the mass amount of lease car deals a while back but has anyone noticed that every single R seems to be standard? I had a gigantic smile when I saw the R starting now on the used market at just £19500. What fantastic value for money! Then after clicking through a countless amount of cars I couldn't find a single car with 1 single optional extra until I got into the 26k territory. Do optional extras really push the resale value of these cars up so much? I might be in the minority here but I really don't understand why someone would spend the best part of £30,000 on a car and not add even the cheap options like keyless entry and reversing camera?
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Hi Mr Savage,
Maybe people thought that spending £30k on a car thay's well equipped as standard was enough. Seriously though, most of the cheap cars coming through now will be leasers in white or red with Cadiz wheels. I'm sure tgese lease cars will be your only opportunity to get an R so cheap. There's a small window of opportunity to get a 6 month glut of these cars. Having Rs go as cheap as GTIs and GTDs is unsustainable in the longer term.
Even an options tightarse like me couldn't say no to Prets as I find the Cadiz so ugly (nothing to do with the size - it's the design). A few novelty options on a £30k car wouldn't sway me either way.
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Indeed. We are now mid way through the cheap leases hitting the auction rooms and these cars will be zero spec for obvious reasons.
And dealers will be making as much money was they can on specced up non 'ex-fleet' stock.
What you can also guarantee is that those part ex'ing the highly specced late model cars won't be getting anywhere near the forecourt sticker price unless they're pretty much paying full whack for the car they've replaced it with.
It'll settle down a bit after a while but right now the cheap R's are killing the trade values on all Performance Golfs.
Over supply of GTD's (that will be forced out of fashion very shortly), lower demand on GTI's due to the closeness in price to an R and good old leasegate R's.
Happy days.
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If 'your' dealer will not discount a MK7.5 for you shop elsewhere, there are many dealers offering discounts of £3-4K. Try Carwow, Drive the deal etc. OR discounts of around £7K available for remaining stock of MK7 Rs (mate of mine just got one). Many dealers are not advertising they have MK7 Rs as they want orders for the new(ish) model. Good luck.
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Agree with the above. It's the mass of cheap lease cars now filling up the used market.
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Easy. The reason is that almost all lease deals load the full retail value of the options onto the lease period. So if you are borrowing a 30k R for 2 years for 5k, anything at all you spec gets added onto the 5k. So you aren't spending 30k and scrimping on a few options, you are thinking, "keyless, camera and appconnect probably costs me 50 quid a month extra over two years, perhaps i'll pass".
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JV is largely right ^^^
I was a tight arse and worked out which options I was paying 100% for and which the lease company thought added value to the car.
Sat nav = adds value
19's = doesn't
Somewhere I had the list I worked out, but it is very lease company specific.
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Bought my MK7 through CarWow. Highly recommended
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I ordered a R facelift through DTD at the beginning of February and have a build week of the 6th March which was much quicker than expected. You will get a good discount with DTD so worth speaking with them as I have found them reliable from previous experience.
I can understand now why some owners go easy on the options and I have with this order. Having spoken to one of the guys recently at Orange Wheels regarding using my GTI as a part-ex on a S3 and the options to add to that car, I was told only pick the ones you really need as you get nothing for them come sale time. So my understanding is the only ones who benefit from a high spec car are the dealers, I have had a few quotes for the GTI which I added around 3k of options and it has not improved the value unfortunately for me.
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As I am a dealer I found this thread very interesting.
I've been to a couple of VW Finance auctions and prices there seem inconsistent with reserve prices based on what the car owes them rather than what the trade guides would suggest - I've seem two identical cars go through, one sold for £18100 the other was reserve not met at £18900.
Also the price owners are getting to buy at the end of the lease is ridiculously high with around £500 between that and a dealer asking price. I guess if you like it and want to keep it then it's OK but it's way more than they sell for at auction.
Red is the predominant colour due to the shortsightedness of the leasing companies who wanted to charge the full cost of other paint during the term of the lease - Lapiz and even Pure White cars make at least £500 more than red.
As stated the amount of basic cars is unbelievable.
Even a car with heated seats is leagues ahead of the rest, I am pretty sure no car had nav at either auction so the retrofit market for the Kenwood kit will be huge. Same goes for leather, not one.
1 car had Pretorias but was otherwise basic.
A non red, DSG car with heated seats is almost a unicorn!
On the plus side condition was generally pretty good but when they were rough they were bad, like a red one with lacquer peeling on the canter rail due to a hasty blow over down the side, a Lapiz where something (roof box) had rubbed right through the paint on the roof. Also quite a few cars with damage on the front wheel arch by the front bumper. A couple with airbag lights on too.
Stonechipping to the nose can be pretty heavy for the mileage and will tell you a lot about how hard it's been driven and is a good place to start assessing the car - obviously be just as wary about no chips at all.
Can you finance a new 7R for less than a secondhand one? If so I'd do that and add a few bits.
NB I haven't bought one yet!
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I found the R market quite interesting and when I sold mine whilst it was not the best performer in residuals, I could have sold it 10 times over in three days as in the used market people were quite spec specific.
They do hit you with the options on the lease deals, on the Rental wagon I went white as it was £20 a month for a different colour but paid for the CarPlay and winter pack which I use all the time. CarPlay was the biggest revelation as you realise how dire the Nav is compared to apple maps. I was not too fussed as this is my daily work horse.
Fortunately the wife went night blue with some toys on hers.
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Also the price owners are getting to buy at the end of the lease is ridiculously high with around £500 between that and a dealer asking price. I guess if you like it and want to keep it then it's OK but it's way more than they sell for at auction.
Getting bum raped by the lease company like this is one of my biggest pet hates.
They have a captive market fair enough, but they take the mickey to the extreme and the end user pays far more than they'd get at auction for the same car and without any hassle for them.
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Wow plenty of responses. Wasn't expecting that! Nice to see you're still around MH. Yeah as I feared they're all ex lease cars hence the lack of options. What's the best route into getting the old stock of the R then? Ringing the dealer direct?
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What's the best route into getting the old stock of the R then? Ringing the dealer direct?
Wait another 18 months or so for Booth11 to sell hers.
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What's the best route into getting the old stock of the R then? Ringing the dealer direct?
Wait another 18 months or so for Booth11 to sell hers.
Too many bumps on Booth's!
Give it 6 month and I might be selling mine! :grin:
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What's the best route into getting the old stock of the R then? Ringing the dealer direct?
Wait another 18 months or so for Booth11 to sell hers.
Too many bumps on Booth's!
Give it 6 month and I might be selling mine! :grin:
I think I'd much rather have Rebecca's (Booth11's) R than some of those end of lease R's that are now finding their way onto the market.
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I found the exact same thing and I've been looking at getting a used GTI or R (and S3 too). In one way its good, if you look at the S3 market, the car flippers have raised the prices of them too much that it doesn't make sense. Have you also noticed the 66 plate DSG Golf R's with 3-6k miles being close to £30k? Seems insane to me, you can get facelift DSG Golf R's for around £30k with discount. Like you said, the added options aren't worth much unless your a dealer. They love to write about the list price and how much discount they're giving compared to it but the extra's aren't worth that amount used. Are leather seats worth that much used?
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^ My favoured salesman talked me out of leather by saying it'll retain £300 at trade-in.
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I guess the thing with optional extras on a second hand car is that by and large people don't care.
When I shop for second hand cars its only age and mileage I care about, maybe trim level or number of doors too. Even the colour is largely irrelevant (providing its not Barbie pink or gold (god I hate gold cars)). Red or Blue or White makes no odds.
Whether one has 17's or 18's or with or without a heated windscreen never really comes into it. Certainly not things like park assist or high beam assist or traffic lane assist...
The biggest thing is if its close enough for me to go see it and is it the best price for the age and mileage.
I'm sure most people buying second hand cars think the same and hence the little variance in the retail price.
Obviously if one dealer has two the same I might pick one over the other, but thats quite rare even at a main dealer - usually the age, mileage and price trump everything else.
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Also the price owners are getting to buy at the end of the lease is ridiculously high with around £500 between that and a dealer asking price. I guess if you like it and want to keep it then it's OK but it's way more than they sell for at auction.
Getting bum raped by the lease company like this is one of my biggest pet hates.
They have a captive market fair enough, but they take the mickey to the extreme and the end user pays far more than they'd get at auction for the same car and without any hassle for them.
They try and take the risks to themselves out of the equation as they're basically financing the car themselves for two years (or whatever) then going by price guides as to the likely value of the car they're leasing to you at the end of the term. Then they have to pay disposal costs.
As options are worth next to bugger all (on all but very high end cars where certain options will be essential) at trade auctions the leasing companies will generally insist you pay more or less the full retail cost of the options over your rental term.
Obviously the traditional leasers were those on company car allowances or owned their own business but now the private market is opening up thanks to the internet making deals far more accessible to the general knuckle dragging public there are a lot more leases being taken up.
The downside is that the more private leasers there are getting a new car at affordable prices then the second hand market takes a beating which in turn reduces the trade prices of used cars.
I find the easiest way to track what the leasing companies are expecting to get back at auction is to look at the PCP GFV's on a model and see how they drop over the model life as the PCP finance houses will be using the same guides to work their bottom line.
Elimination of risk!
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Fred:
I think that most second hand buyers who aren't enthusiasts will not know what is standard and what is optional - especially on a car so well equipped as standard. Everyone expects rear parking sensors, aircon, auto lights/wipers and a multifunction steering wheel at this size/age of car. Wheels, sunroof and Leather are highly visible options, things like rear cam, keyless and DCC people are generally going to be unaware of if they don't see it being shouted about by the seller. Many people will probably think stuff like Xenons, climate control, rear dimming mirror, folding mirrors are options they've scored for.
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^ My favoured salesman talked me out of leather by saying it'll retain £300 at trade-in.
I think a car that costs as much as an R does needs better than those nasty (imo) standard cloth seats. If there was an "in-between" option (half leather / alcantara) I'd have picked that, but cloth v leather on an R, it has to be the leather for me. You're sitting in it yourself for 2-3 years, so it can't be all down to "what will I get back on trade in".
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Each to their own on the leather front.
I wouldn't touch it even on a 40k car.
Half and half maybe is classy, but leather seats are really something I hate.
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My car will be for sale very very soon if anyone is interested :grin:
Limestone, DSG, 19 Prets, Discovery Nav, Winter Pack, High Beam Assist, Rear Camera, Apple CarPlay, Gloss Black Mirrors
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Has anyone had any luck in getting the price down on these R's with optional extras that are priced too high? I'm interested in 1 but its around £2k more than I think it should be.
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^ My favoured salesman talked me out of leather by saying it'll retain £300 at trade-in.
I think a car that costs as much as an R does needs better than those nasty (imo) standard cloth seats. If there was an "in-between" option (half leather / alcantara) I'd have picked that, but cloth v leather on an R, it has to be the leather for me. You're sitting in it yourself for 2-3 years, so it can't be all down to "what will I get back on trade in".
Leather seemed a good idea at the time, but with the dull anthracite interior of a performance Golf is given some personality with the cloth seats. The Golf does not need leather - it is no Bentley and £30k RRP is bugger all these days for a new car. VW's cheap leather at a premium price does not wear well as my cousin's GTI clearly shows after 14 months - saggy bolsters and lots of creases, and he's a slim lad. Glad I didn't buy leather.
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It's close on a 50k euro car here... and a 50k euro car needs a "premium" interior imo but etto.
No creases or baggy-ness on mine either. Looks as new. I've seen cloth interiors in shocking condition in no time. Cloth is not too forgiving when it comes to spillages, kids, etc. Its more down to the owner and how the car is looked after, regardless of material imo.
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I guess the thing with optional extras on a second hand car is that by and large people don't care.
When I shop for second hand cars its only age and mileage I care about, maybe trim level or number of doors too. Even the colour is largely irrelevant (providing its not Barbie pink or gold (god I hate gold cars)). Red or Blue or White makes no odds.
Whether one has 17's or 18's or with or without a heated windscreen never really comes into it. Certainly not things like park assist or high beam assist or traffic lane assist...
The biggest thing is if its close enough for me to go see it and is it the best price for the age and mileage.
I'm sure most people buying second hand cars think the same and hence the little variance in the retail price.
Obviously if one dealer has two the same I might pick one over the other, but thats quite rare even at a main dealer - usually the age, mileage and price trump everything else.
Don't quite understand what you're getting at here as spec is important even on a used car as your still going to be driving it so it's exactly the same?
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But yes it seems it's the old lease cars that are on the market now and hence the low pricing. Probably had a terrible life. Still though, picking one up below 20K and taking it to Revo for a stage 1 is a tempting proposition. What other car can you get that does the sprint in under 4 seconds for that money.
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I meant that you (or certainly i) don't go shopping for a used car with the manufacturer configurator. Maybe it's because any second hand car I've ever bought has stopped being made before I'm trying to buy it...
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I understand what fredgroves is saying. When I'm looking for a used car that's what I look at first too. Say leather seats, its almost £2k extra. If there were 2 used cars from the same year and mileage but one had cloth seats and the other leather, would you pay almost £2k extra for the leather?? If you wanted to part exchange your car, how much more would they give you because your car has leather over cloth seats? Maybe you think a certain extra is a must have so you look for that (I was doing the same with DCC or Dynaudio).
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What's the best route into getting the old stock of the R then? Ringing the dealer direct?
Wait another 18 months or so for Booth11 to sell hers.
Too many bumps on Booth's!
Give it 6 month and I might be selling mine! :grin:
I'll take mine with a couple bumps, fully repaired to factory standard, over yours MH. Better spec too. :tongue: :grin:
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I'll take mine with a couple bumps, fully repaired to factory standard, over yours MH. Better spec too. :tongue: :grin:
Repaired to factory standard includes 3 years warranty so at least you sit back to back.
I had some factory approved work done on mine and the detailer I use only twigged it was the from as no stone chips.
I imagine a lot of the lease ones have been to chips away etc.
There were paint issues on some of the early lapiz cars so a few wi have had work under warranty
I was trying to get the wife to sell hers as I said I'd lease her a Alfa Romeo 4C for a couple of years but she has not bitten
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What's the best route into getting the old stock of the R then? Ringing the dealer direct?
Wait another 18 months or so for Booth11 to sell hers.
Too many bumps on Booth's!
Give it 6 month and I might be selling mine! :grin:
I'll take mine with a couple bumps, fully repaired to factory standard, over yours MH. Better spec too. :tongue: :grin:
Aye, you're right- mine is exhausting to drive, having to turn a key in the ignition, use my left arm and foot to change gear, as well as having to press the accelerator pedal all the way down. :grin:
For what you see back, i'll avoid options that I don't need - add a few expensive options and you can see your depreciation up at 50% more than the car itself, for me that'll always be poor value unless you're keeping the car in excess of 5 years.
Do you ever worry about overpolishing your car? There was a lad on the Scirocco forum called "Derboy" who used to give his black Scirocco the full works as often as you and he'd polished all his lacquer away within 2 years, probably not hard to do with the kind of paints being used now.
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What's the best route into getting the old stock of the R then? Ringing the dealer direct?
Wait another 18 months or so for Booth11 to sell hers.
Too many bumps on Booth's!
Give it 6 month and I might be selling mine! :grin:
I'll take mine with a couple bumps, fully repaired to factory standard, over yours MH. Better spec too. :tongue: :grin:
Aye, you're right- mine is exhausting to drive, having to turn a key in the ignition, use my left arm and foot to change gear, as well as having to press the accelerator pedal all the way down. :grin:
For what you see back, i'll avoid options that I don't need - add a few expensive options and you can see your depreciation up at 50% more than the car itself, for me that'll always be poor value unless you're keeping the car in excess of 5 years.
Do you ever worry about overpolishing your car? There was a lad on the Scirocco forum called "Derboy" who used to give his black Scirocco the full works as often as you and he'd polished all his lacquer away within 2 years, probably not hard to do with the kind of paints being used now.
Why would I worry about over polishing my car? I haven't polished my R yet aside from a couple small areas of bird etching, a cat scratch and a bag inflicted scuff (done by hand). This coming spring will be its first full machine polish (at 19 months old). I never polish a car more than once a year max. You may be mistaking washing and waxing for polishing. :wink: :wink:
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I'll take mine with a couple bumps, fully repaired to factory standard, over yours MH. Better spec too. :tongue: :grin:
Repaired to factory standard includes 3 years warranty so at least you sit back to back.
I had some factory approved work done on mine and the detailer I use only twigged it was the from as no stone chips.
I imagine a lot of the lease ones have been to chips away etc.
There were paint issues on some of the early lapiz cars so a few wi have had work under warranty
I was trying to get the wife to sell hers as I said I'd lease her a Alfa Romeo 4C for a couple of years but she has not bitten
Yes approved repairs with a full warranty.
Most cars sustain damage of some description these days, what with the number of idiot drivers on the road and careless t**ts running loose in car parks. I'd have no issue buying a used car that had damage properly and fully repaired to factory standard (with warranty) than one that has had a touch-up chipsaway jobbies or unknown/unseen damage that had not been properly rectified and come to haunt you later.
So Mrs W is being resistant.....good for her, lol.
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So Mrs W is being resistant.....good for her, lol.
It was really for me but she could use it and I had to confess to putting a deposit down on something that doesn't exist but when it does it will be sold out :grin:
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How much would you guys say optional extras are worth on used cars then? Compare the bog standard 2014 plate Golf R being sold for £19k, if you had the same 2014 Golf R with same mileage but it had £10k worth of extras, how much more would it be worth? Surely not £10k right?
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How much would you guys say optional extras are worth on used cars then? Compare the bog standard 2014 plate Golf R being sold for £19k, if you had the same 2014 Golf R with same mileage but it had £10k worth of extras, how much more would it be worth? Surely not £10k right?
No chance. A couple of K maybe. But I'd personally be more drawn to the spec'd up car. Very generally speaking, a well spec'd car is more likely enthusiast owned rather than another run of the mill leased car. I'd certainly pay more for a clearly better maintained better spec'd car over one that's base spec / been ragged.
Adding spec when ordering from new is a personal thing and you have to be happy that it's mostly money down the drain.
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How much would you guys say optional extras are worth on used cars then? Compare the bog standard 2014 plate Golf R being sold for £19k, if you had the same 2014 Golf R with same mileage but it had £10k worth of extras, how much more would it be worth? Surely not £10k right?
That's what we've been saying in this thread though... some options effectively add nothing to the second hand resale price and none of them add what you paid for them.
I've always leased cars though and never been afraid to add some options if I thought I needed them - I guess it depends on whether you spend your working life on the road or not, but if you do then you want to make your mobile office as comfy and useful as you can.
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I'm asking as a potential buyer in the used market. Just an example I've seen, bog standard 15 plate DSG Golf R in Black with 28k miles sells for around £22k at a car dealership. There's another 15 plate DSG Golf R in Black with 28k miles but its for £25k and the advert says it has 'every optional extra', do you think that's worth £3k extra? For £25k you could get a bog standard 15 plate one with under 10k miles.
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There are probably about what, £9k of extras if you added them all? It probably hasn't got them all anyway.
If it did have them all, is it really £3k of residual value? I wouldn't pay that I think.
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I'd take an older, better specced car compared to a newer base/lower spec. I don't really care what the plate says, the age of the car doesn't affect the driver's enjoyment of it.
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Well I saw the pictures and its got the two tone heated leather seats, tech pack (nav pro and Dynaudio), pan roof and looks like privacy glass tinted windows. Funnily enough it doesn't have 19" Prets so can't be every extra. Is there anyway to find out if its MY16 or not? I know MY16 got the MIB 2 units which I've heard is better.
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Well I saw the pictures and its got the two tone heated leather seats, tech pack (nav pro and Dynaudio), pan roof and looks like privacy glass tinted windows. Funnily enough it doesn't have 19" Prets so can't be every extra. Is there anyway to find out if its MY16 or not? I know MY16 got the MIB 2 units which I've heard is better.
Pan roof and 19s cant come together because of the tax bracket it would put it into.
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MIB2 has a bigger screen... and maybe if you fiddle with it, app-connect -but you can't see that without power.
Build week 22 in 2015 onwards apparently is MIB2.
Leather was £2615 list, Tech Pack was £1295, Pano roof £995, Rear 90% tints was £95 so about £5k of extras.
Could be other things that you can't see - DCC, lane asist, climate windscreen, high beam assist, rear view camera, advanced telephone, carbon wing mirrors...
I make it £7815 if you stop after you've ticked every box short of mats, bicycle racks etc. Chuck in some Deep Black paint and she's just under £40k fully loaded on a 3 door DSG Mk7 R..
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Well it's nav pro so not sure what the difference between MIB1 and MIB2 for nav pro is. Yeah BW22 is MY16 which had MIB2, but that started in May 2015 I think so half of the 15 reg cars have it and half don't. No idea how you can check build weeks on used cars. Both are 5 door DSG mk7 R's in Deep Black. Maybe they included DSG as an extra. I agree with you though, it doesn't seem like £3k residual value more.
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Do you ever worry about overpolishing your car? There was a lad on the Scirocco forum called "Derboy" who used to give his black Scirocco the full works as often as you and he'd polished all his lacquer away within 2 years, probably not hard to do with the kind of paints being used now.
Actually that was down to a poor respray job after the car had been taken out by an artic....
I've just bought one of these poverty spec Golf Rs after cancelling a similarly attractive lease deal on a new shape S5 (glut of cheap lease deals before Xmas. Expect to see the same situation with these in 2 years). Scirocco was one of my favourite cars and I've had a hankering for a new hot hatch for a while.
Almost impossible to find a car with leather and there's a glut of red cars on the market. I wanted a black one but settled for white in the end. Not a fan of the cloth or the tiny screen on the Composition media so I'm getting it re-trimmed and fitting one of the Alpine Style Nav units as soon as possible.
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Just need some advice too. There's another car now but its a GTI 66 Plate DSG nearly new car for £25k too. Has the same options as the Golf R 15 plate DSG for the same price. Which one would you go for? 90% of my driving is city driving so not sure if I need an R.
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Nothing wrong with the GTi. Plenty quick and very usable but the R is in a different league IMHO. I set up to buy a GTi but then realised I'd regret not going for the extra power. So instead of a tricked out GTi I've got a bog standard R that I can do things to later. Easy enough to add leather and Sat Nav later, harder to swap an engine etc.
Just make sure you test drive both before deciding.
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The GTI is nice, very nice indeed but the R is something else.
It will cost more to run (premium fuel, road tax, insurance) but on the other hand sooner or later we will all have to drive 35 watt electric golf buggies.
If you like real cars, I'd have one now before you can't...
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I doubt you'd find the GTI wanting in any department really (except grip), however if you got a GTI without at least testing the R (to discount it if that was the case) you might always have that 'should have gone for an R' thought at the back of your mind.
If I could have ordered an R when I got my GTI, I would have probably ordered a vanilla spec R instead of my averagely heavily optioned GTI as they wouldn't have been too far away from each other on price.
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I think I'll go to my local VW dealership first and try and test drive both plus see if I need any of the extras. There's new cars popping up everyday so there's a lot of choice.
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I doubt you'd find the GTI wanting in any department really (except grip), however if you got a GTI without at least testing the R (to discount it if that was the case) you might always have that 'should have gone for an R' thought at the back of your mind.
If I could have ordered an R when I got my GTI, I would have probably ordered a vanilla spec R instead of my averagely heavily optioned GTI as they wouldn't have been too far away from each other on price.
I paid more than I would have done for a base spec R, but I couldn't live without tech park, parking pack (or the camera as a minimum), the 19s again (I'm not a fan of Austin or Cadiz) and DCC is a sensible choice with 19s. By the time you've added those back on (plus keyless!!) it's back to being more expensive by a few ££££. I could have lived with that, but the additional running cost due to 4WD and the gearing was the deal breaker for me - it was a very close decision between GTI and GTD due to my mileage, never mind dropping the MPG even lower with the R.
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I doubt you'd find the GTI wanting in any department really (except grip), however if you got a GTI without at least testing the R (to discount it if that was the case) you might always have that 'should have gone for an R' thought at the back of your mind.
If I could have ordered an R when I got my GTI, I would have probably ordered a vanilla spec R instead of my averagely heavily optioned GTI as they wouldn't have been too far away from each other on price.
I paid more than I would have done for a base spec R, but I couldn't live without tech park, parking pack (or the camera as a minimum), the 19s again (I'm not a fan of Austin or Cadiz) and DCC is a sensible choice with 19s. By the time you've added those back on (plus keyless!!) it's back to being more expensive by a few ££££. I could have lived with that, but the additional running cost due to 4WD and the gearing was the deal breaker for me - it was a very close decision between GTI and GTD due to my mileage, never mind dropping the MPG even lower with the R.
Did you test drive both? What would you do in my position, 66 plate Golf GTI with 4k miles and all the options you want or a 15 plate Golf R with 28k miles and all the options you want?
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Did you test drive both? What would you do in my position, 66 plate Golf GTI with 4k miles and all the options you want or a 15 plate Golf R with 28k miles and all the options you want?
Having owned both, I'd go for the R with all the options you want. You can't beat that extra speed! Forget consumption, both get nothing like what VW claim, I found only a 5mpg difference between the two cars.
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5mpg difference in consumption was enough of a deal breaker for me.
I wanted to buy new for completely untouched factory paint (no dealer prep whatsoever). If spec was equal between the two cars (GTI vs R) then if annual mileage meant running cost was negligible then I'd be leaning towards the R in your case, assuming condition was comparable.
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Just my luck that both cars get sold before I can even see them. I'll still go and test drive a local Golf R even though its in red which is the worst colour for it in my opinion. My annual mileage is around 4k miles so I don't think fuel consumption would make much difference. I think 5mpg is only around £100 difference for me.
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5mpg difference in consumption was enough of a deal breaker for me.
Thats 5mpg and running on super unleaded... 12p a litre more expensive at the moment? Thats a 10% fuel bill increase even if the MPG is the same and what 5mpg is a further 14% more (35mpg vs 30pmg). So actually 24% more.
At £1.20 a litre for normal petrol and 4000 miles, thats £623 cost per annum vs £812 for £1.34 per litre and 30 mpg.
At 4000 miles a year, you really are hemorrhaging money on a brand new car anyway. The fuel costs are the least of your worries. The actual total cost of ownership per mile is probably at the point where a chaffeur driven limmo is a better financial bet. ;-)
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Well that's why I'm buying a used one. £25k was over budget for me anyway but they seemed like better deals than the older bog standard cars. I'll probably get something older, cheaper and with less options now after hopefully a test drive tomorrow.
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Just my luck that my local VW dealer has no Golf R's or Gti's to test drive. They couldn't even give a part exchange value because there was no car to do a deal on. The only Golf R's they had were new unregistered ones they were saying would cost £35k at least, no way when you can get it for under £30k using Broadspeed.
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Just my luck that my local VW dealer has no Golf R's or Gti's to test drive. They couldn't even give a part exchange value because there was no car to do a deal on. The only Golf R's they had were new unregistered ones they were saying would cost £35k at least, no way when you can get it for under £30k using Broadspeed.
Even down here in the bowels of the West Country there are at least six or seven main dealers within an hour's drive of me in either direction (left and right, up and down means being in the sea! :laugh: ) so within an hour of Leicester there surely MUST be a good few more dealers than that as you're slap bang in the middle of the country.
Getting a used value is easy enough, plenty of ways online or PM your car details and I'll get you a CAP valuation which will give you a worst case figure. You will then be armed with enough figures to bargain with, it's just the test drive and general inspection to deal with then.
My advice, for what it's worth: buy on condition first, relegate colour and number of extras to a poor second or you'll regret it every time you look at your car.
Unless you're a gadget junkie who gets someone else to clean their car, in which case ignore my advice. :whistle:
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Ok thanks for the advice. I have got part exchange figures from Autotrader, whatcar and carwow, plus the price webuyanycar and evans halshaw will give me. I just wanted to know what the VW dealers will give, I've asked some other dealers and got a big difference. Some would give less than webuyanycar and there was a family run dealer that was very honest with me, told me what he would sell the car for and gave me a really good price that was more than any value I've had. I actually regret that I didn't go for it, he had a great price Golf R too in the spec I wanted. Now all the others don't look as good value. :undecided: