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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: GT4 on 27 September 2016, 23:09
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Hi All
Heres the first pictures i have found of the CS-S Interior ... even though the car is grey and VW's own Press Car - I love the Interior - Pure GT3 ... :wink:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/96781/volkswagen-golf-gti-clubsport-s-uk-2016-review-pictures#0
Andrew
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Love that the Stop/Start button has been pushed! Even VW test drivers hate it! :grin:
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Hi All
Heres the first pictures i have found of the CS-S Interior ... even though the car is grey and VW's own Press Car - I love the Interior - Pure GT3 ... :wink:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/96781/volkswagen-golf-gti-clubsport-s-uk-2016-review-pictures#0
Andrew
LOL, echo that
My first impressions when I went in, is that the only thing that comes close to the interior feeling is maybe a GT3. The alcantara bits and all the small touches really set it apart, just wait till you see it in the flesh :wink:
Love that the Stop/Start button has been pushed! Even VW test drivers hate it! :grin:
Start/Stop button gets deleted by bucket seats in both the CS and CS-S (well CS-S has them as standard anyway).
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sadly it's missing the cage
A cage would make the rear seat delete make more sense
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sadly it's missing the cage
A cage would make the rear seat delete make more sense
Yes and no, really it would just be dead weight, they wouldn't be fitting a proper cage in it even if there was one.
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I am a bit disappointed on the clubsport, and definitely the S, they didn't fit better bespoke braking kit. I mean if you can get monster front discs and Brembo calipers on the Seat Leon, they should have been standard kit on the Clubsport and S to set them apart from the GTi and R.
Those drilled discs with fairly puny looking calipers look a little bit too Halfords to me. I'm sure they work well enough but it just stinks a little bit of profiteering / cost saving and some nice beefy red Brembo calipers would have really finished the "look" given all the nice alcantara and the bucket seats etc..
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I am a bit disappointed on the clubsport, and definitely the S, they didn't fit better bespoke braking kit. I mean if you can get monster front discs and Brembo calipers on the Seat Leon, they should have been standard kit on the Clubsport and S to set them apart from the GTi and R.
Those drilled discs with fairly puny looking calipers look a little bit too Halfords to me. I'm sure they work well enough but it just stinks a little bit of profiteering / cost saving and some nice beefy red Brembo calipers would have really finished the "look" given all the nice alcantara and the bucket seats etc..
To be honest I had the same thoughts for both the Clubsport and even more the S. But in braking tests it beats both the Brembo equipped Focus RS (which admittedly is 200kg heavier) and also the similar weight Type-R (that's a surprise). So it raises the question whether you really need bigger brakes and for what exactly. CS-S already benefits from lighter bells and track pads and after seeing its braking performance against the rest of the hatches I'm dropping the idea of a BBK for my Clubsport. Just a set of track pads and it should be fine for the 3-4 track-days per year I plan on doing.
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How does removing the rear seats for weight, but leaving the front heated seats in make sense?
I'd have thought it would be all or nothing, heated + rear bench or normal seats and no bench.
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I am a bit disappointed on the clubsport, and definitely the S, they didn't fit better bespoke braking kit. I mean if you can get monster front discs and Brembo calipers on the Seat Leon, they should have been standard kit on the Clubsport and S to set them apart from the GTi and R.
Those drilled discs with fairly puny looking calipers look a little bit too Halfords to me. I'm sure they work well enough but it just stinks a little bit of profiteering / cost saving and some nice beefy red Brembo calipers would have really finished the "look" given all the nice alcantara and the bucket seats etc..
To be honest I had the same thoughts for both the Clubsport and even more the S. But in braking tests it beats both the Brembo equipped Focus RS (which admittedly is 200kg heavier) and also the similar weight Type-R (that's a surprise). So it raises the question whether you really need bigger brakes and for what exactly. CS-S already benefits from lighter bells and track pads and after seeing its braking performance against the rest of the hatches I'm dropping the idea of a BBK for my Clubsport. Just a set of track pads and it should be fine for the 3-4 track-days per year I plan on doing.
Don't disagree - I am sure they did the maths on what was needed and how they work is more important than how they look, I just think it is a bit of a missed opportunity when a lot of the other kit is quite bespoke to the clubsport / S and some more bespoke brakes would have just given the cars that bit more exclusivity
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Looking at the brakes on the CS-S, the rears appeared to be ventilated and the same as the GTi PP upgrade, which I assume is the same as the R?
The only difference was the fronts, the caliper looked the same size as the PP, but the disc had a separate bell, rather than the regular solid vented disc and the obligatory "cooling" holes drilled. Both concessions to cooling and help toward the track intentions of the car.
Maybe it was a step too fat to fit a cage in 400 examples of the CS-S, in that the TUV paperwork would have been excessive.
Even though the cage would have been one of those creaky, half hearted Meccano bolt in affairs, it would have provided a solid structure to attach a 6 point harness too.
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sadly it's missing the cage
A cage would make the rear seat delete make more sense
Yes and no, really it would just be dead weight, they wouldn't be fitting a proper cage in it even if there was one.
Well the Nurburgring car had a cage, albeit a bolt in jobbie.
They certainly complete the whole Serious track car appeal for me and as Paul (Clubsport) says, it's somewhere to hang your harness which is something else that's missing
I'm ordering a cage and harnesses as I'm going to be on track
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How does removing the rear seats for weight, but leaving the front heated seats in make sense?
I'd have thought it would be all or nothing, heated + rear bench or normal seats and no bench.
Weight of rear seats versus a bit of wiring and a small heating pad - easy win.
There are some funny decisions. I like the rear grab handles being left in. Think my favourite has to be what look like rear mats. For those rear passengers.
It's easy to mock but cars like this breaking out of sombre VW is superb and I hope for many more extreme editions :)
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My thoughts regarding the cage ... Adds more weight yet greater rigidity ..?! Adding more weight would have therefore meant the intervention of CCBrakes to mitigate weight gain, therefore adding huge cost to retail price point?! This is a Golf GT3 not a Porsche GT3 at over £130k - everything has to be done with overall pricing taken into consideration and at £34k that is approx 25% of the cost of a GT3 ... Secondly, does the car need a cage "No" the idea of the CS-S and the Golf GTi culture is useable daily performance and adding that level of rigidity would then need revised suspension, tyres and the whole beauty and design brief of the CS-S is the soft damping for Nurburg and English B road Tarmac, too much rigidity wold see the car bounce round corners, add to that FWD and you have a nightmare car on the edge round a bumpy corner, exactly what we have here in the UK .... VW have thought long and hard about this car and what values it needs to have and what goals and expectations it needs to cater for, all with a limited 400 build and a £34k price tag .... "Brilliant" :wink:
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Is that a bracing strut across the top of the rear shocks? Or just a bar to replace the back seat in case you balance some mates in there on the way back from the pub?
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If they fitted a cage it would only have been for the rear, for show, they add weight, retaining the cars interior would mean a cage capable of make a difference to the rigidity is not possible, the cage would simply be an ornament. Which defise the point. Rear cages are not all that effective on their own.
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Well I hear all you say but the record winning car had a cage fitted and didn't have upgraded brakes.
I'm only talking about a rear cage here with cross bracing and this would help in the event of a roll.
Most people that buy these would want to track it whereupon you would sensibly need a harness. You need to strap it to a bar and the rear strut brace fitted to the CS-S is next to useless, a bar to hang the net.
Porsche are good at what they do, My 997 GT3 RS had a rear cage fitted as standard as did the 996RS before it. I'd call that sensible especially after seeing a 7RS roll at brands on a track day.
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My thoughts regarding the cage ... Adds more weight yet greater rigidity ..?! Adding more weight would have therefore meant the intervention of CCBrakes to mitigate weight gain, therefore adding huge cost to retail price point?! This is a Golf GT3 not a Porsche GT3 at over £130k - everything has to be done with overall pricing taken into consideration and at £34k that is approx 25% of the cost of a GT3 ... Secondly, does the car need a cage "No" the idea of the CS-S and the Golf GTi culture is useable daily performance and adding that level of rigidity would then need revised suspension, tyres and the whole beauty and design brief of the CS-S is the soft damping for Nurburg and English B road Tarmac, too much rigidity wold see the car bounce round corners, add to that FWD and you have a nightmare car on the edge round a bumpy corner, exactly what we have here in the UK .... VW have thought long and hard about this car and what values it needs to have and what goals and expectations it needs to cater for, all with a limited 400 build and a £34k price tag .... "Brilliant" :wink:
The car is great first and foremost but I would disagree a little
Adding a 12kg rear cage wouldn't mean CCB were required, Why would you think that? the heavier R (100kg) doens't need CCB's so why would a 12kg cage require the car to need them? The cage would add atmosphere or theatre to the car which as limited Edition is pretty mandatory. We know rear cages aren't required or needed but the Trophy R or R26R looks all the better for them imo. A cage won't make it too rigid either, unless you weld it in at multiple points and then it wouldn't be a half cage (which is all that is required). Adding to the already rigid shell (compared to other hatches) wouldn't require revisions to tyres or suspension.
The CS practicality and "usable golf" is gone or reduced the moment you take a golf and remove the rear seats, so why not go all the way and cage it? It did the lap time with the cage, so why not? Its not like people are sitting in the back area? The bar fitted with the net is too high up to tie the rear mounts together so it serves little structural purpose i guess.
I think they could have made a couple of small changes: For 2k like Brembo's, the Ring time half cage in red perhaps? This would add to the look, which after all is what this limited run hot hatch is all about imo and also allow users to fit harnesses.
But like always the bean counters get involved...
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The bar fitted with the net is too high up to tie the rear mounts together so it serves little structural purpose i guess.
Unless that bar is part of a rigid structure such as a proper cage then fitting harnesses to it would be a dangerous thing to do. In an accident the weight of the driver(and passenger) act to pull on the bar bending it forward which negates any restraint.
You used to see it all the time at car shows, a poxy bar mounted to the rear shock tops and the harnesses fitted to it :shocked:
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^^agreed, seem it a few times myself
This would be simple to do from the factory,
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My thoughts regarding the cage ... Adds more weight yet greater rigidity ..?! Adding more weight would have therefore meant the intervention of CCBrakes to mitigate weight gain, therefore adding huge cost to retail price point?! This is a Golf GT3 not a Porsche GT3 at over £130k - everything has to be done with overall pricing taken into consideration and at £34k that is approx 25% of the cost of a GT3 ... Secondly, does the car need a cage "No" the idea of the CS-S and the Golf GTi culture is useable daily performance and adding that level of rigidity would then need revised suspension, tyres and the whole beauty and design brief of the CS-S is the soft damping for Nurburg and English B road Tarmac, too much rigidity wold see the car bounce round corners, add to that FWD and you have a nightmare car on the edge round a bumpy corner, exactly what we have here in the UK .... VW have thought long and hard about this car and what values it needs to have and what goals and expectations it needs to cater for, all with a limited 400 build and a £34k price tag .... "Brilliant" :wink:
The car is great first and foremost but I would disagree a little
Adding a 12kg rear cage wouldn't mean CCB were required, Why would you think that? the heavier R (100kg) doens't need CCB's so why would a 12kg cage require the car to need them? The cage would add atmosphere or theatre to the car which as limited Edition is pretty mandatory. We know rear cages aren't required or needed but the Trophy R or R26R looks all the better for them imo. A cage won't make it too rigid either, unless you weld it in at multiple points and then it wouldn't be a half cage (which is all that is required). Adding to the already rigid shell (compared to other hatches) wouldn't require revisions to tyres or suspension.
The CS practicality and "usable golf" is gone or reduced the moment you take a golf and remove the rear seats, so why not go all the way and cage it? It did the lap time with the cage, so why not? Its not like people are sitting in the back area? The bar fitted with the net is too high up to tie the rear mounts together so it serves little structural purpose i guess.
I think they could have made a couple of small changes: For 2k like Brembo's, the Ring time half cage in red perhaps? This would add to the look, which after all is what this limited run hot hatch is all about imo and also allow users to fit harnesses.
But like always the bean counters get involved...
Spot on. This is what I was trying to say but I'm not as articulate, so thanks.
NOW......The question, I was planning on ordering a Gloss black cage but I was tempted by red. My car is white.
My R26R had a red cage but the car was black.
Thoughts please. Schroth harnesses with be red BTW
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Its got to be red hasn't it?!?
The VW seats suit the car very well, and if you have red belts it will look great! This polo with pole positions and scroth harness works for me too, so they could have done this and saved more weight!
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For some balance, as this is a clubsport thread here are a few.
with cage
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I appreciate the Ring times but wish they would stop the nonsense with them.
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Its got to be red hasn't it?!?
The VW seats suit the car very well, and if you have red belts it will look great! This polo with pole positions and scroth harness works for me too, so they could have done this and saved more weight!
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8342/29694546000_6a80e8611a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mf1iZ3)DSC_6148 (https://flic.kr/p/Mf1iZ3) by Emmber (https://www.flickr.com/photos/emmber/), on Flickr
For some balance, as this is a clubsport thread here are a few.
with cage
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(https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8544/29905165981_80aa993d60_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MyBMY2)css4 (https://flic.kr/p/MyBMY2) by Emmber (https://www.flickr.com/photos/emmber/), on Flickr
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I appreciate the Ring times but wish they would stop the nonsense with them.
I'm not too bothered about ring times either but they are feeling the improvement of hot hatches, after the great depression in the early- mid nineties they were awful for about a decade, but they have been pulling their weight for a few years again now.
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How does removing the rear seats for weight, but leaving the front heated seats in make sense?
I'd have thought it would be all or nothing, heated + rear bench or normal seats and no bench.
There are some funny decisions. I like the rear grab handles being left in. Think my favourite has to be what look like rear mats. For those rear passengers.
The spec sheet I saw said no floor mats were standard (yet as you said the white press car had them front and back - backs might be for photographers) and it also said no parking sensors but the press car had rears only (which I am glad about).
Mind you it had black wheels which aren't part of the spec so don't know who to trust :undecided:
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I'm not too bothered about ring times either but they are feeling the improvement of hot hatches, after the great depression in the early- mid nineties they were awful for about a decade, but they have been pulling their weight for a few years again now.
Very true they are having a renaissance.
But I don't know which ones are genuine, I doubt many are. The Seat Sub 8 was stripped out and not a road car, the Civic had no passenger seat either and a full cage so not a road car, not sure about the Meganes. The Golf CSS has a disclaimer in the video, that its not meeting EU reg 1999/94/eu on emissions as its not for sale, so who knows what the fuel map was set to. The Guilia appears (according to some Ring chaps) to have way more HP than declared by the speeds between sections. Perhaps ADAC standardisation would be good on the cars taking part?
Still can't complain they test the cars and we buy them happily :)
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The Golf CSS has a disclaimer in the video, that its not meeting EU reg 1999/94/eu on emissions as its not for sale, so who knows what the fuel map was set to.
This is pretty innocent and I think it's VW being a bit touchy following the emissions crisis.
I drove a pre-production Q2 and it said the same thing in all the literature.
They don't test them for Co2 right until the car is 100% finalised as they would have to retest them again if there were any changes.
Having said that it would be a good chance to mess around with the map :lipsrsealed:
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ViperGTS, on the colour of the cage?
It's not such an easy call.......
In a white car a black cage, looks aftermarket and would look discrete, you would have to be close to the car to notice.
Having said that unusually on a CS-S it may work in contrast to the black roof?
Red, goes with the GTi signature theme, matches calipers and grill stripe etc...
However, I would paint the cage in body colour white, even though it is a bolt in, it looks more integrated with the car body shell and less aftermarket, also not quite as glaringly obvious as a red cage stuck in the back.
As I said, no obvious answer and red harnesses are a must anyway, red harness on a white cage, has a hint of 996 GT3 RS about it?
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ViperGTS, on the colour of the cage?
It's not such an easy call.......
In a white car a black cage, looks aftermarket and would look discrete, you would have to be close to the car to notice.
Having said that unusually on a CS-S it may work in contrast to the black roof?
Red, goes with the GTi signature theme, matches calipers and grill stripe etc...
However, I would paint the cage in body colour white, even though it is a bolt in, it looks more integrated with the car body shell and less aftermarket, also not quite as glaringly obvious as a red cage stuck in the back.
As I said, no obvious answer and red harnesses are a must anyway, red harness on a white cage, has a hint of 996 GT3 RS about it?
I considered a white cage as in body colour but think this only really works when the car is stripped out and forms part of the whole body colour floors etc
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My thoughts regarding the cage ... Adds more weight yet greater rigidity ..?! Adding more weight would have therefore meant the intervention of CCBrakes to mitigate weight gain, therefore adding huge cost to retail price point?! This is a Golf GT3 not a Porsche GT3 at over £130k - everything has to be done with overall pricing taken into consideration and at £34k that is approx 25% of the cost of a GT3 ... Secondly, does the car need a cage "No" the idea of the CS-S and the Golf GTi culture is useable daily performance and adding that level of rigidity would then need revised suspension, tyres and the whole beauty and design brief of the CS-S is the soft damping for Nurburg and English B road Tarmac, too much rigidity wold see the car bounce round corners, add to that FWD and you have a nightmare car on the edge round a bumpy corner, exactly what we have here in the UK .... VW have thought long and hard about this car and what values it needs to have and what goals and expectations it needs to cater for, all with a limited 400 build and a £34k price tag .... "Brilliant" :wink:
The car is great first and foremost but I would disagree a little
Adding a 12kg rear cage wouldn't mean CCB were required, Why would you think that? the heavier R (100kg) doens't need CCB's so why would a 12kg cage require the car to need them? The cage would add atmosphere or theatre to the car which as limited Edition is pretty mandatory. We know rear cages aren't required or needed but the Trophy R or R26R looks all the better for them imo. A cage won't make it too rigid either, unless you weld it in at multiple points and then it wouldn't be a half cage (which is all that is required). Adding to the already rigid shell (compared to other hatches) wouldn't require revisions to tyres or suspension.
The CS practicality and "usable golf" is gone or reduced the moment you take a golf and remove the rear seats, so why not go all the way and cage it? It did the lap time with the cage, so why not? Its not like people are sitting in the back area? The bar fitted with the net is too high up to tie the rear mounts together so it serves little structural purpose i guess.
I think they could have made a couple of small changes: For 2k like Brembo's, the Ring time half cage in red perhaps? This would add to the look, which after all is what this limited run hot hatch is all about imo and also allow users to fit harnesses.
But like always the bean counters get involved...
Jack
I agree with your points but that car would cost £45k ... at the end of the day - VW could map it to 400 Bhp put in a cage, add ceramic brakes but it would change the whole concept of a VW Golf ... They have to stay within a design concept and brief and who would pay £45k for a Golf ... Also, the R&D required would be crazy ... VW are not Porsche with a GT department to my knowledge ..?!
Andrew