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GTI Clubsport Edition 40 - press release
- Landmark day for Golf GTI as order books open for GTI Clubsport Edition 40
- Most potent GTI to date with up to 290 PS; 0-62 mph in 6.3 seconds
- Special edition model priced from £30,875 (RRP OTR)
‘Iconic’ is, perhaps, a word bandied around all too freely but, when applied to the mould-breaking Golf GTI, it can be used with genuine justification. The car that popularised the ‘hot hatch’ phenomenon is 40 years old in 2016 and, to mark the occasion, Volkswagen has created the most potent iteration of the GTI to date.
Available to order in Volkswagen UK Retailers now, the specially commissioned Golf GTI Clubsport Edition 40 celebrates four decades of a true automotive icon.
Powering this addition to the GTI range is a 2.0-litre turbocharged direct-injection engine that delivers 265 PS, making it the most powerful Golf GTI yet. But that’s not the whole story. Accelerate hard in third gear or higher and, for up to 10 seconds, an additional ‘overboost’ function increases the engine power to 290 PS.
The engine – which delivers its 265 PS between 5,350 and 6,600 rpm – is technically based on the 1,984 cc TSI engine that appears in the award-winning Golf R. This is a third generation EA 888 unit boasting technical refinements such as a water-cooled exhaust channel to the turbocharger that is integrated in the cylinder head, and variable valve timing with dual camshaft adjustment. Maximum torque, under boost, is 350 Nm.
In the new Golf GTI Clubsport Edition 40 this power is channelled entirely to the front wheels via either a six-speed manual gearbox or a six-speed DSG. The lightweight front-wheel drive system that is typical of the Golf GTI offers tremendous agility, working as it does in conjunction with an electronically controlled front differential lock and the XDS+ vehicle dynamics function.
The DSG version of the car is also equipped with launch control as standard. Just as with a track racer the Golf GTI Clubsport Edition 40 – which boasts an unladen weight of as little as 1,375 kg, depending on bodystyle – accelerates in a controlled manner from standstill using its maximum overboost power of up to 290 PS.
Top speed is limited to 155 mph and the 0-62 mph time for both three- and five-door versions – either manual or DSG – is a brisk 6.3 seconds. CO2 emissions* range between 158 g/km and 162 g/km depending on bodystyle and transmission choice, while combined fuel economy* similarly varies between 40.9 mpg and 40.4 mpg.
Power and precision
As with all Golf GTIs, the new Clubsport Edition 40 is equipped with a sport chassis with 15 mm lower ride height as standard. Up front, MacPherson suspension provides precise tracking while the modular performance suspension does the same job at the rear.
Equipped with a front differential lock as well as the XDS+ vehicle dynamics function and progressive steering – which means significantly smaller steering inputs are required – the latest Golf GTI is all the more agile because the familiar sport chassis has been tuned to its more powerful nature.
Specifically, its handling characteristics have been perfected by virtue of a new spring layout, newly tuned dampers and optimised bump stops. These measures, working alongside the specially modified aerodynamics, combine to deliver high levels of agility and steering precision along with extremely precise driving stability at high speed, linear and predictable vehicle reactions and optimised grip.
The anniversary model is also available with DCC dynamic chassis control as an option. This, too, has been adapted to the high power potential of the anniversary model via new control algorithms. The result is a car whose handling is more intuitive than ever.
Power is transferred to the road via 18-inch alloy wheels that are offered as standard with 225/40 tyres. These exclusive “Quaranta” forged wheels are nearly 3 kg lighter per wheel than conventional alloys. Optionally, the GTI Clubsport Edition 40 may be ordered with 19-inch “Brescia “ alloy wheels with 235/35 tyres. Another option: street-approved semi-slick 235/35 R 19 tyres on eight-inch wide “Pretoria” wheels.
Motorsport-style downforce
For this very special Golf GTI, Volkswagen exterior designers have created a completely new front bumper, new side sills, a rear diffuser that is also new, a new multi-part roof spoiler and exclusive forged alloy wheels. The goal was not to just help the car stand out from its siblings but, more importantly, to deliver valuable downforce on both axles and, thereby, improve the car’s dynamic handling still further.
At the front, the new design offers improvements in air supply to the engine, aerodynamics and downforce. The new bumper features high-gloss black air deflectors which route a portion of the airflow – guided by three additional bars – through a narrowing air duct (air curtain) on each side and thereby through the bumper. This optimises air flow around the bumper and front wheels. The air then exits in the wheel housings without striking the wheels directly. The central cooling air intake – in characteristic GTI honeycomb design – has also been further refined with two additional air intakes flanking the radiator grille trim. Beneath the bumper there is a front spoiler that is designed as a sharp splitter in high-gloss black. It optimises downforce at the front axle.
At the back, the much larger, multi-part redesigned roof edge spoiler has been aerodynamically perfected in the wind tunnel. The two-part roof edge spoiler extends upward above the roof line while at the sides the spoiler merges homogeneously into the high-gloss black flaps on the tailgate. Multi-part spoilers of this type are complex components that perfectly fulfil the aerodynamic tasks assigned to them: to significantly increase downforce on the rear axle.
Unmistakably GTI
Inside, the new car features iconic details that are essential for every GTI. These include the ergonomic sports seats with a tailor-made look featuring Alcantara and black cloth upholstery; red topstitching; a gear knob in golf ball design; and a black headliner.
Optional ergonomic sports bucket seats with prominent lateral support provide optimal comfort and stability when cornering and are stylishly finished in part Alcantara/part cloth, with the GTI lettering sitting proudly on the backrest. Meanwhile, black honeycomb patterned backrests and seat centre section with red seaming perfectly complement the dynamic and sporty interior.
New trim strips in “Honeycomb 40” design (instrument strip, centre console and doors) give the interior an even more exclusive appearance. Sporty decorative features include Alcantara trim on the gear lever, an Alcantara-clad sport steering wheel (with GTI emblem, red seam and 12 o’clock marking) and customised floor mats with red edging. When the driver and front passenger open the doors, they see the exclusive stainless steel door sill plates with red GTI lettering.
The anniversary model is being offered with optional black painted roof which is combined with one of the body colours: Pure White; Tornado Red; Oryx White mother of pearl effect; Reflex Silver; Carbon Grey Metallic; or Urano Grey. The solid colour Deep Black pearl effect is also available.
Production of the new Golf GTI Clubsport Edition 40 is time limited, and it is anticipated that no more than 1,000 examples of the latest ‘collector’s item’ GTI will be made available to UK buyers.
The new Volkswagen Golf GTI Clubsport Edition 40 is available to order now, priced from £30,875 (RRP OTR), with deliveries of first customer cars expected this summer. For more details please visit www.volkswagen.co.uk.
Golf GTI Clubsport Edition 40
Bodystyle Engine Gearbox Power CO2 (g/km) RRP
Three-door 2.0 TSI Six-speed manual up to 290 PS 162* £30,875.00
Three-door 2.0 TSI Six-speed DSG up to 290 PS 158* £32,290.00
Five-door 2.0 TSI Six-speed manual up to 290 PS 162* £31,530.00
Five-door 2.0 TSI Six-speed DSG up to 290 PS 160* £32,945.00
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After reading this, all the nonsense about whether to get the R or the CS is put to bed.
Regardless of cost or performance, this is a landmark GTI and if you have a GTI history then you should buy one :wink:
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After reading this, all the nonsense about whether to get the R or the CS is put to bed.
Regardless of cost or performance, this is a landmark GTI and if you have a GTI history then you should buy one :wink:
Yes, buy one to keep and treasure for years to come, not rent one for a year or so just to have the latest thing.
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After reading this, all the nonsense about whether to get the R or the CS is put to bed.
Regardless of cost or performance, this is a landmark GTI and if you have a GTI history then you should buy one :wink:
I don't think this press release confirms anything, I do agree that you don't buy the GTI Clubsport for its cost or performance as its already clear the GTI Clubsport is not the top model in the Golf lineup.
At least the press release confirms you only get the full-fat 290ps from third gear onwards for a poxy 10 seconds!
The GTI Clubsport will sell well as the GTI has a long cult following, it's it's own brand in some ways. :)
Those who buy one, will enjoy it ..... probably not so much in the wet ;) lol
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After reading this, all the nonsense about whether to get the R or the CS is put to bed.
Regardless of cost or performance, this is a landmark GTI and if you have a GTI history then you should buy one :wink:
Yes, buy one to keep and treasure for years to come, not rent one for a year or so just to have the latest thing.
Yup until the GTI 45th Anniversary model ;)
Some buying the Golf GTI Clubsport will buy it exactly because it is the latest thing.
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"Time limited" "anticipated that only 1000 units will be made for the UK" - no real commitment to limit it to 1000 units. Would not be in the least bit surprised if more of these come through, VW need to sell anything and everything they can right now.
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"Time limited" "anticipated that only 1000 units will be made for the UK" - no real commitment to limit it to 1000 units. Would not be in the least bit surprised if more of these come through, VW need to sell anything and everything they can right now.
1000 is still no small number, it's only a Golf GTI at the end of the day, not a special BMW 1M type of car.
I doubt they will be worth much more than a Golf R in a few years time on the secondhand market.
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After reading this, all the nonsense about whether to get the R or the CS is put to bed.
Regardless of cost or performance, this is a landmark GTI and if you have a GTI history then you should buy one :wink:
Yes, buy one to keep and treasure for years to come, not rent one for a year or so just to have the latest thing.
Agree 100%.
I should have stressed the BUY part of my post :smiley:
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I like the 3kg lighter forged wheels, and the front air curtain but think tinted rear lights is a bit 1990's. But with the air curtain i guess it should exit on the door side of the wing to be effective.
I am a little annoyed at how VW are treating the target audience with this press release, to me that press release sounds embarrassing.
Just as with a track racer the Golf GTI Clubsport Edition 40 accelerates in a controlled manner from standstill using its maximum overboost power of up to 290 PS
What "Track Racers" are they talking about? Come-on!!
its handling characteristics have been perfected by virtue of a new spring layout
What new spring layout? What does that mean? uprated springs perhaps, but new spring layout? WTF!
optimised bump stops
But according to this line As with all Golf GTIs, the new Clubsport Edition 40 is equipped with a sport chassis with 15 mm lower ride height as standard
Its the same height as a GTi? So optimised bump stops surely isn't something needed and put it in a press release? what did they do shortened by 10mm?? Great! All hail the new Exige chaser!
The press release sounds like its trying to appeal to 7 years old's not car enthusiasts. The less said about the "Motorsport Style Downforce" the better as that has been covered before, but needless to say they have dropped the mention of the rear diffuser doing anything on the car, tbh a front splitter and roof spoiler have been on hatchbacks for more than 25 years...
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After reading this, all the nonsense about whether to get the R or the CS is put to bed.
Regardless of cost or performance, this is a landmark GTI and if you have a GTI history then you should buy one :wink:
Really? 0-60 in 6.3 secs compared to an R's 4.9, no AWD, and all for £33k :shocked: before any options - landmark GTI or not it's massively overpriced.
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Hmm, as a GTI owner of 30 years (more on than off) I'm not quite sure where I stand with it all.
I'm glad in many ways I didn't keep to my original plan of buying an early mk7 GTI and running it until the warranty expired which would coincide with the ed40/CS launch. I even took out the service pack to land smack bang on the (correctly) assumed dates.
Part of me congratulates VW for bringing out the model and being less half arsed than the ED35 which looked a bit of an afterthought. Part of me feels a bit meh about it all because it's very pricy for what it is.
Theres a lot of harping on about future values and for the car to have any significant future value you're going to have to spend several thousand pounds on upgrades which will be essential for 'collectors/anoraks' in future years.
It's very much a cynical look to potential future values on the back of what old cars are changing hands for nowadays. But these things go in cycles and when the mk6 GTI was released old cars were generally worth bugger all and were going in under the scrappage scheme, even models that would be worth tens of thousands now with a bit of tidying up were worth a few hundred at market value back then.
As an example I was chatting to a brick layer working near where I live (he spotted me tinkering with the R) and five years ago he was struggling to find enough work to put him above minimum wage and now he's clearing £70k a year, prior to the banks and their phoney "crash" he was on similar money.
The CS is going to be bought by people that don't care too much about the retail price, they're on good wages and just want 'nice' things and by nature most buyers will be pretty conservative professional types. I think in some ways it's a shame these cars will never see their potential for the main (there will be a good few exceptions) but it'll also mean there will be a lot of nice ones on the second hand market in a few years as most of the buyers will have cherished them.
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"Time limited" "anticipated that only 1000 units will be made for the UK" - no real commitment to limit it to 1000 units. Would not be in the least bit surprised if more of these come through, VW need to sell anything and everything they can right now.
As ever they're being very vague about it. There are probably people in grey suits thinking "we've not sold many GTI's this time round so lets try and lead them in with a bit of exclusivity then see what we can milk out of it"
They probably still hurt a bit after the ED30 debacle and originally said this time it was limited build period but didn't put a number on it. I think there is too much turmoil at VW for them to be brave enough to sign anything off with a definite number in case the sales take off. We'd have never had the Pirelli Edition over here if it wasn't for ED30 owners going ballistic about numbers.
I like the 3kg lighter forged wheels, and the front air curtain but think tinted rear lights is a bit 1990's. But with the air curtain i guess it should exit on the door side of the wing to be effective.
I am a little annoyed at how VW are treating the target audience with this press release, to me that press release sounds embarrassing.
Just as with a track racer the Golf GTI Clubsport Edition 40 accelerates in a controlled manner from standstill using its maximum overboost power of up to 290 PS
What "Track Racers" are they talking about? Come-on!!
its handling characteristics have been perfected by virtue of a new spring layout
What new spring layout? What does that mean? uprated springs perhaps, but new spring layout? WTF!
optimised bump stops
But according to this line As with all Golf GTIs, the new Clubsport Edition 40 is equipped with a sport chassis with 15 mm lower ride height as standard
Its the same height as a GTi? So optimised bump stops surely isn't something needed and put it in a press release? what did they do shortened by 10mm?? Great! All hail the new Exige chaser!
The press release sounds like its trying to appeal to 7 years old's not car enthusiasts. The less said about the "Motorsport Style Downforce" the better as that has been covered before, but needless to say they have dropped the mention of the rear diffuser doing anything on the car, tbh a front splitter and roof spoiler have been on hatchbacks for more than 25 years...
Just typical sales artistic licence. Probably quite a bit lost in translation.
It'll give brochure collectors something to get excited about.
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My opinion is that these special edition GTI's have had their day since the introduction of the R. Ok the GTI is an icon in name but it's no longer the premium hot hatch in the golf line up. I still believe that VW would have been better introducing a special edition R and I don't necessarily mean the R400. Why not an R with the bucket seats, a more aggressive front end and increase power to 340-350 which is probably easily manageable. I'm sure this would be massively popular if they limited numbers and sold them for lets say £36k
I just can't see the logic in the clubsport given its price. I'm sure it will stand out on the roads when you see one but I can't get my head round why you would choose this over the R :huh: :huh:
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My opinion is that these special edition GTI's have had their day since the introduction of the R. Ok the GTI is an icon in name but it's no longer the premium hot hatch in the golf line up. I still believe that VW would have been better introducing a special edition R and I don't necessarily mean the R400. Why not an R with the bucket seats, a more aggressive front end and increase power to 340-350 which is probably easily manageable. I'm sure this would be massively popular if they limited numbers and sold them for lets say £36k
I just can't see the logic in the clubsport given its price. I'm sure it will stand out on the roads when you see one but I can't get my head round why you would choose this over the R :huh: :huh:
Having spent many years attending VW shows I can picture exactly what the type of owners of these cars will be. Seen it all before.
Most of them will just be ornaments. If they're happy then good luck to them it's their money an their enjoyment.
I'm sure the marketing people at VW won't miss a trick and there'll be an R special at some point in history.
Considering at the mk7 GTI launch they said it was possible they wouldn't even release the mk7 R in the UK due to poor mk6 sales then anything could happen.
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My opinion is that these special edition GTI's have had their day since the introduction of the R. Ok the GTI is an icon in name but it's no longer the premium hot hatch in the golf line up. I still believe that VW would have been better introducing a special edition R and I don't necessarily mean the R400. Why not an R with the bucket seats, a more aggressive front end and increase power to 340-350 which is probably easily manageable. I'm sure this would be massively popular if they limited numbers and sold them for lets say £36k
I just can't see the logic in the clubsport given its price. I'm sure it will stand out on the roads when you see one but I can't get my head round why you would choose this over the R :huh: :huh:
I agree Craig. A special edition R would have been far more attractive. It's a shame the R400 isn't going to be built.
As for the CS price, I think its outrageous (but people will buy it so maybe it isn't!) I'd personally save £10K and have a "normal" GTI PP and be just as happy.
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I certainly wont be buying one as I can't afford one and my GTI PP is all the car I need.
I'd love one though and unlike the R, I wouldn't see another 5 every day :whistle:
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I was under the impression the CS would make it on to the configurator yesterday, but still nothing??
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The CS is going to be bought by people that don't care too much about the retail price, they're on good wages and just want 'nice' things and by nature most buyers will be pretty conservative professional types. I think in some ways it's a shame these cars will never see their potential for the main (there will be a good few exceptions) but it'll also mean there will be a lot of nice ones on the second hand market in a few years as most of the buyers will have cherished them.
This will be one Clubsport owner who falls into the good few exceptions all being well.
Timing is perfect for replacing our car There was no question it was going to be a GTI. (The only car I've personally owned that wasn't a GTI was a VR6 Corrado.).
There was no way we'd miss out on a special edition GTI from new as our first ever new from the showroom car. I am very fortunate that we are in a position at the moment where we can afford to pay over the odds for it.
The fact that the car has sparked so much debate only adds to the desirability for me. I like something that divides opinion and can lead me into long conversations about my favorite subject. Cars.
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Did I read the press release correctly... Does it actually say the clubsport does 0-62mph in 6.3secs. On release of the regular GTI PP didn't VW claim it did 0-62mph in 6.4 secs. If this is correct going by their vague claims on paper the clubsport with all the extra power and track setup only does 0.1 second quicker. If you were trading in a GTI PP for one, that would be several thousands of pounds to get a limited edition of the GTI which only does 0.1 secs quicker than the regular one. I do like the clubsport and understand why some people are getting one, I was even tempted a while ago myself. But the ratio of extra cost for someone trading in a GTI PP for one and the minimal performance gain is a bit of an anti climax.
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I think a golfgti.co.uk track day would be the perfect way to analyse the performance of the different models.
Slowest time of the day gets in the first round at the end.
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The CS is going to be bought by people that don't care too much about the retail price, they're on good wages and just want 'nice' things and by nature most buyers will be pretty conservative professional types. I think in some ways it's a shame these cars will never see their potential for the main (there will be a good few exceptions) but it'll also mean there will be a lot of nice ones on the second hand market in a few years as most of the buyers will have cherished them.
This will be one Clubsport owner who falls into the good few exceptions all being well.
Timing is perfect for replacing our car There was no question it was going to be a GTI. (The only car I've personally owned that wasn't a GTI was a VR6 Corrado.).
There was no way we'd miss out on a special edition GTI from new as our first ever new from the showroom car. I am very fortunate that we are in a position at the moment where we can afford to pay over the odds for it.
The fact that the car has sparked so much debate only adds to the desirability for me. I like something that divides opinion and can lead me into long conversations about my favorite subject. Cars.
Spot on!
I'm quite envious that you're getting one but also very pleased because you sound like the right kind of owner :smiley:
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The CS is going to be bought by people that don't care too much about the retail price, they're on good wages and just want 'nice' things and by nature most buyers will be pretty conservative professional types. I think in some ways it's a shame these cars will never see their potential for the main (there will be a good few exceptions) but it'll also mean there will be a lot of nice ones on the second hand market in a few years as most of the buyers will have cherished them.
This will be one Clubsport owner who falls into the good few exceptions all being well.
Timing is perfect for replacing our car There was no question it was going to be a GTI. (The only car I've personally owned that wasn't a GTI was a VR6 Corrado.).
There was no way we'd miss out on a special edition GTI from new as our first ever new from the showroom car. I am very fortunate that we are in a position at the moment where we can afford to pay over the odds for it.
The fact that the car has sparked so much debate only adds to the desirability for me. I like something that divides opinion and can lead me into long conversations about my favorite subject. Cars.
Yes, yourself and Dave HA54SYM were two people I had in mind that would buck the trend as far as using the car's potential!
I can't wait to see one in the flesh myself. That's when I'll decide whether I should've stuck with plan A and by which time it'll be too late.
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My opinion is that these special edition GTI's have had their day since the introduction of the R. Ok the GTI is an icon in name but it's no longer the premium hot hatch in the golf line up. I still believe that VW would have been better introducing a special edition R and I don't necessarily mean the R400. Why not an R with the bucket seats, a more aggressive front end and increase power to 340-350 which is probably easily manageable. I'm sure this would be massively popular if they limited numbers and sold them for lets say £36k
I just can't see the logic in the clubsport given its price. I'm sure it will stand out on the roads when you see one but I can't get my head round why you would choose this over the R :huh: :huh:
I do really like the look of it and wouldn't mind one as a weekend toy but it is very very pricey for what is still a 3 door hatch when £35k gets you into an AUC Porsche Cayman.. And they just haven't specced up the hardware enough to make it "special" - my BMW has 370mm front discs and 4 pot Brembos and does 0-60 in 5.6 - a diesel 4 door saloon so at the very least the performance should be a clear sub 6 second 0-60 and with some proper bespoke brakes, dampers, seats etc - if they included that for bang on £29,999 it would be worth it but then I come back to me point - supply and demand if you only have to shift 1000 they will sell. It will be very annoying for anyone who buys one that they then decide to sell another 2500 ...
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Did I see someone post 24-26 weeks lead time so we are talking Sept / Oct ?
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Did I see someone post 24-26 weeks lead time so we are talking Sept / Oct ?
Official Volkswagen SLI/Desktop system states 24 weeks and to manage customer expectations ;)
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The CS is going to be bought by people that don't care too much about the retail price, they're on good wages and just want 'nice' things and by nature most buyers will be pretty conservative professional types. I think in some ways it's a shame these cars will never see their potential for the main (there will be a good few exceptions) but it'll also mean there will be a lot of nice ones on the second hand market in a few years as most of the buyers will have cherished them.
This will be one Clubsport owner who falls into the good few exceptions all being well.
Timing is perfect for replacing our car There was no question it was going to be a GTI. (The only car I've personally owned that wasn't a GTI was a VR6 Corrado.).
There was no way we'd miss out on a special edition GTI from new as our first ever new from the showroom car. I am very fortunate that we are in a position at the moment where we can afford to pay over the odds for it.
The fact that the car has sparked so much debate only adds to the desirability for me. I like something that divides opinion and can lead me into long conversations about my favorite subject. Cars.
Yes, yourself and Dave HA54SYM were two people I had in mind that would buck the trend as far as using the car's potential!
I can't wait to see one in the flesh myself. That's when I'll decide whether I should've stuck with plan A and by which time it'll be too late.
The full potential idea is interesting, and I hope they aren't show queens, but i'm not sure there is much full potential over a GTi PP. Its the same weight as a GTi PP, its got a 35hp increase yes with more on overboost, which could be obtained by a re-map from a leading specialist on a PP. And I doubt the journo's would have been able to tell the rear ARB increase by 2mm and a slight tweak of spring rates if the car hadn't been fitted with cup2's tyres on all the test days. Those tyres can make ordinary cars appear transformed!
If it had Brembo's, Cup2's, Ohlins and 75+kg weight saving and a nominal 20hp increase that would be a interesting car to drive and I would make the man maths work today to get one. :grin:
I will still ogle at one when I first see it in the flesh :wink: but as CraigW says perhaps they should have made an R version... CSR perhaps?
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Let's not forget that this car is supposed to mark the 40th anniversary of the gti. To make a CSR would somewhat negate the point of the car.
If it was an outright special edition golf then fair dos, but it's a special edition gti...
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Let's not forget that this car is supposed to mark the 40th anniversary of the gti. To make a CSR would somewhat negate the point of the car.
If it was an outright special edition golf then fair dos, but it's a special edition gti...
Indeed!
And I still reckon they originally planned it with a carbon fibre roof but chickened out
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looking at the pics, do you guys it is going to sit that low in the arches in reality or is that just a bit of fudging for the marketing - the blurb says lower as per the normal gti but that looks lower that standard to me in the press release pics ?
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Ride height on Geneva car also no arm rest or covered cup holder (that pic was blurred)
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looking at the pics, do you guys it is going to sit that low in the arches in reality or is that just a bit of fudging for the marketing - the blurb says lower as per the normal gti but that looks lower that standard to me in the press release pics ?
Both ride height and offset is always photoshop'd in press releases.
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"Time limited" "anticipated that only 1000 units will be made for the UK" - no real commitment to limit it to 1000 units. Would not be in the least bit surprised if more of these come through, VW need to sell anything and everything they can right now.
1000 is still no small number, it's only a Golf GTI at the end of the day, not a special BMW 1M type of car.
I doubt they will be worth much more than a Golf R in a few years time on the secondhand market.
People thought that about the first focus rs. It's good but it ain't a cossie. But being 13 or so years old they aren't depreciating anymore. At 10k plus they are rising in Value now.
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The Mk1 Focus RS was more bespoke that the Golf tho'. Apart from lashings of Sparco, OZ and Brembo bits, it had different body panels to the regular 3 door hatch.
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The Mk1 Focus RS was more bespoke that the Golf tho'. Apart from lashings of Sparco, OZ and Brembo bits, it had different body panels to the regular 3 door hatch.
The CS has some bespoke omissions to enable the buckets to fit!!
I asked a work mate who is currently stalking 'friendly with' a sales admin girl at my local dealership about the likelihood of them giving discount on a CS, just out of interest.
This is a big Inchcape dealership.
She passed the requests on to the sales manager for me and his direct reply was, give or take "we are only expecting around four cars plus a demo and as its such a limited run there will unlikely be any discounts, however yes, we can supply an R for around £5k off right now"
I'm kind of tempted to buy another R in a different colour and spec just for the hell of it if he'd give me top book price for mine!
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The Mk1 Focus RS was more bespoke that the Golf tho'. Apart from lashings of Sparco, OZ and Brembo bits, it had different body panels to the regular 3 door hatch.
The CS has some bespoke omissions to enable the buckets to fit!!
I asked a work mate who is currently stalking 'friendly with' a sales admin girl at my local dealership about the likelihood of them giving discount on a CS, just out of interest.
This is a big Inchcape dealership.
She passed the requests on to the sales manager for me and his direct reply was, give or take "we are only expecting around four cars plus a demo and as its such a limited run there will unlikely be any discounts, however yes, we can supply an R for around £5k off right now"
I'm kind of tempted to buy another R in a different colour and spec just for the hell of it if he'd give me top book price for mine!
5k off an R is doesn't sound great.
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It brings a base spec one to not much more than mine books at top CAP (£25300 when I last ran a check recently) bearing in mind that means I wouldn't qualify for PCP discount.
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I have just received a PCP quote from a dealer.. 19 inch Brescias, pan roof, 3 door manual, metallic. 24 weeks lead time.
Based on 36 months and a price of £33k the final payment is £15,480 so they are clearly not building in any strong future value to the PCP quote.
With nearly £10k deposit the monthly is £431, no way am I paying that for a Golf sorry.
With a £10k deposit, a new Cayman with a couple of options comes in at less than £400 per month. Its a nice looking car but with zero discount no way can I bring myself to spend £33k on a hatchback.
Mind you, just see the APR 13.6% ! that cant possibly be right...
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5K off on an R sounds interesting Exonian as the dealership is the same one I bought my car from last time. I may do some digging myself.
On another note the configurator for the Clubsport is just being installed on the VW website by tonight hopefully it will be fully operational. Just tried it, but not all options are working yet.
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I have just received a PCP quote from a dealer.. 19 inch Brescias, pan roof, 3 door manual, metallic. 24 weeks lead time.
Based on 36 months and a price of £33k the final payment is £15,480 so they are clearly not building in any strong future value to the PCP quote.
With nearly £10k deposit the monthly is £431, no way am I paying that for a Golf sorry.
With a £10k deposit, a new Cayman with a couple of options comes in at less than £400 per month. Its a nice looking car but with zero discount no way can I bring myself to spend £33k on a hatchback.
Mind you, just see the APR 13.6% ! that cant possibly be right...
Yikes!!!
Just for reference I'm going to paying £404pm for a highly specced Golf R 5dr DSG with me putting in £2000 deposit. The rest of the deposit is made up of my GTI equity and PCP dealer contribution.
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this is the reply I got
"Volkswagen at the moment have not released any deposit contributions or lower rate on the Clubsport, as soon as it comes available you will have an updated quote. If you order the car prior to this and then there is a better offer from Volkswagen we will swop the programs over"
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which in itself is a bit naughty tbh - wanting people to order based on an inaccurate finance quote.. so they can they say they are sold out.. ?
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OK this is bo**ocks I am afraid to say..
Just had another PCP quote from another VW dealer in the same group - this time it is 9.7% APR not 13.7%.. so that is clearly bull to just get orders placed..
With the bucket seats added to previous spec, list price £34,360, no discount or contribution, £6872 deposit, 35 x £516 !!! plus £15,480 final payment.
Madness sorry - its a nice car and good luck to those happy to pay for it or get a discount but that's crazy money. Fair play to VW for a successful marketing campaign though.
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OK this is bo**ocks I am afraid to say..
Just had another PCP quote from another VW dealer in the same group - this time it is 9.7% APR not 13.7%.. so that is clearly bull to just get orders placed..
With the bucket seats added to previous spec, list price £34,360, no discount or contribution, £6872 deposit, 35 x £516 !!! plus £15,480 final payment.
Madness sorry - its a nice car and good luck to those happy to pay for it or get a discount but that's crazy money. Fair play to VW for a successful marketing campaign though.
That's ridiculous money, and ridiculous monthly payments especially after the sizeable deposit you've quoted. I know it will sell as if you had money to burn then why not, but like you said in a previous post for that kind of money you could have a Cayman - and trust me that's a hell of a lot more fun to drive than a GTI :evil: - or if you wanted to stay with a Golf then have a highly specced R, which is a sh!t load quicker. I really don't know why anyone would pay that for a GTI, no matter how big the spoiler is :shocked:
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OK this is bo**ocks I am afraid to say..
Just had another PCP quote from another VW dealer in the same group - this time it is 9.7% APR not 13.7%.. so that is clearly bull to just get orders placed..
With the bucket seats added to previous spec, list price £34,360, no discount or contribution, £6872 deposit, 35 x £516 !!! plus £15,480 final payment.
Madness sorry - its a nice car and good luck to those happy to pay for it or get a discount but that's crazy money. Fair play to VW for a successful marketing campaign though.
That's ridiculous money, and ridiculous monthly payments especially after the sizeable deposit you've quoted. I know it will sell as if you had money to burn then why not, but like you said in a previous post for that kind of money you could have a Cayman - and trust me that's a hell of a lot more fun to drive than a GTI :evil: - or if you wanted to stay with a Golf then have a highly specced R, which is a sh!t load quicker. I really don't know why anyone would pay that for a GTI, no matter how big the spoiler is :shocked:
Completely agree Mark. You would be off your rocker to buy one of these considering what you could get for the same money
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Completely agree Mark. You would be off your rocker to buy one of these considering what you could get for the same money
I'd rather put the money towards a second hand M4, a second hand Cayman (obviously :laugh:), a new R or an M2. That's far too much money for a car that isn't that quick.
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Based on all your replies I am really chuffed with the deal I got for mine.
Interesting to see on the configurator that the black roof is no cost option at moment, be nice if true as I refused to pay £295 for it when all other countries get it as no cost option.
Also see winter pack is no cost too?
Dave
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Completely agree Mark. You would be off your rocker to buy one of these considering what you could get for the same money
I'd rather put the money towards a second hand M4, a second hand Cayman (obviously :laugh:), a new R or an M2. That's far too much money for a car that isn't that quick.
given the Clubsport was my "lower cost" option for a long term keeper weekend / fun car, I think I have ruled that out now and its a straight choice between an M2 (I have a build slot in 2017 if I want it) or a used Cayman (last of the 6 cyl models) which I think will be equally sought after now they have gone 4 cyl turbo..
Dave you certainly did well, fair play !
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OK this is bo**ocks I am afraid to say..
Just had another PCP quote from another VW dealer in the same group - this time it is 9.7% APR not 13.7%.. so that is clearly bull to just get orders placed..
With the bucket seats added to previous spec, list price £34,360, no discount or contribution, £6872 deposit, 35 x £516 !!! plus £15,480 final payment.
Madness sorry - its a nice car and good luck to those happy to pay for it or get a discount but that's crazy money. Fair play to VW for a successful marketing campaign though.
That's ridiculous money, and ridiculous monthly payments especially after the sizeable deposit you've quoted. I know it will sell as if you had money to burn then why not, but like you said in a previous post for that kind of money you could have a Cayman - and trust me that's a hell of a lot more fun to drive than a GTI :evil: - or if you wanted to stay with a Golf then have a highly specced R, which is a sh!t load quicker. I really don't know why anyone would pay that for a GTI, no matter how big the spoiler is :shocked:
How has your cayman been ? reliable as well as fun ? Am seriously thinking about a used one and keeping it for the long term, that or the M2...
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How has your cayman been ? reliable as well as fun ? Am seriously thinking about a used one and keeping it for the long term, that or the M2...
I jumped for the M2 earlier this year before the reviews, mine is likely to be Q1 2017, got it through the group who have supplied most of my cars so sensible deposit and nice to deal with, funnily enough a GTS Caymen was the other choice before the wife spent a lot more on extras for the house. Excluding M Performance bits so can only spend about £5K on extra in total on the M2, mine are less than £1K, i got bored waiting for the R400
My usual dealer is working on equalling some of the daft r Estate lease quotes as through VWFS and think this will be the daily, no longer willing to take a gamble of VW residuals
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Do understand the prestige aspect and potentially being a good long term investment but the car itself does not really grab me and would just stay with the GTI if was wanting to stay at FWD for the prices being discussed.
Hopefully this being on the scene will keep R prices honest and competitive as some folks money now diverts to the Clubsport
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I was one who was eagly awaiting the clubsport but having a list price over 30k has really put me off. Now looking at waiting to see what the new S3 is like or getting a good deal on the R. Outside choice is TTS as can get 6k off that.
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OK this is bo**ocks I am afraid to say..
Just had another PCP quote from another VW dealer in the same group - this time it is 9.7% APR not 13.7%.. so that is clearly bull to just get orders placed..
With the bucket seats added to previous spec, list price £34,360, no discount or contribution, £6872 deposit, 35 x £516 !!! plus £15,480 final payment.
Madness sorry - its a nice car and good luck to those happy to pay for it or get a discount but that's crazy money. Fair play to VW for a successful marketing campaign though.
That's ridiculous money, and ridiculous monthly payments especially after the sizeable deposit you've quoted. I know it will sell as if you had money to burn then why not, but like you said in a previous post for that kind of money you could have a Cayman - and trust me that's a hell of a lot more fun to drive than a GTI :evil: - or if you wanted to stay with a Golf then have a highly specced R, which is a sh!t load quicker. I really don't know why anyone would pay that for a GTI, no matter how big the spoiler is :shocked:
How has your cayman been ? reliable as well as fun ? Am seriously thinking about a used one and keeping it for the long term, that or the M2...
Touch wood, I've had zero issues so far. It had 13k on the clock when I bought it and I use it as a daily drive. In short, its fantastic. Also, I'm rather pleased Porsche have decided to go for turbos from now on as like you say its the last of the flat six versions - which should mean it holds its value. So I'll definitely be keeping this for a few years. Yes, I know the new 718 Boxter/Cayman will be slightly quicker, have upgraded infotainment and should be even better handling wise - but I'm sorry, from the videos/reviews I've seen it cannot replicate the pure scream of the engine of the 981 when you nail it - which is a shame for Porsche, but hopefully good for me in the future when I come to sell :cool: - and the noise is one of the best bits about the car, its truly addictive!
I really like the look of the M2, it looks fantastic. You certainly have a tough choice to make! I was looking at a second hand M4 before I went for the Cayman so sort of the same dilemna. Having not had an M4, I can't comment if on whether I made the right choice, however I will say I absolutely LOVE driving the Cayman, it is the most fun I've had in a car.
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I've been offered 3.8% discount via carwow, but that only amounts to £1300.
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And really pleased to see that the £595 Breacia wheels bring an additional £180 of road tax, making them £775...
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5K off on an R sounds interesting Exonian as the dealership is the same one I bought my car from last time. I may do some digging myself.
On another note the configurator for the Clubsport is just being installed on the VW website by tonight hopefully it will be fully operational. Just tried it, but not all options are working yet.
If you want me to try and find out any more details then drop me a PM so as not to clutter the thread.
I can run a CAP valuation if you need one too, assuming you don't have a handy link.
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My dealership says they can't get access to their finance system. Defo not worth the numbers being quoted.
All a bit shambolic.
I'm looking at alternatives now to see what's on offer for similar performance but I might start another thread for that.
The immediate thought Is go in to an r but found out not long ago that all being well my family will be growing from 3 to 4 later on in the year so two kids (1 new born) with a smaller boot makes me think eventhough we tend to travel light.
Anyone who can make a help suggestion for alternatives drop me a pm.
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it does all seem a bit typical VW at the moment - who releases a ltd edition car on their website etc with all the hype then dealers aren't set up to provide finance quotes ?
I mean 2 dealers in the same group quoting me 9 and 14% apr as if I will order on that basis.. and another dealer unable to quote at all.
Shame really as I had high hopes for this car and was very keen but it had to be £twenty something not mid 30s..
Good luck to those who get one though it will be a rare sight..
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OK this is bo**ocks I am afraid to say..
Just had another PCP quote from another VW dealer in the same group - this time it is 9.7% APR not 13.7%.. so that is clearly bull to just get orders placed..
With the bucket seats added to previous spec, list price £34,360, no discount or contribution, £6872 deposit, 35 x £516 !!! plus £15,480 final payment.
Madness sorry - its a nice car and good luck to those happy to pay for it or get a discount but that's crazy money. Fair play to VW for a successful marketing campaign though.
That's ridiculous money, and ridiculous monthly payments especially after the sizeable deposit you've quoted. I know it will sell as if you had money to burn then why not, but like you said in a previous post for that kind of money you could have a Cayman - and trust me that's a hell of a lot more fun to drive than a GTI :evil: - or if you wanted to stay with a Golf then have a highly specced R, which is a sh!t load quicker. I really don't know why anyone would pay that for a GTI, no matter how big the spoiler is :shocked:
How has your cayman been ? reliable as well as fun ? Am seriously thinking about a used one and keeping it for the long term, that or the M2...
Touch wood, I've had zero issues so far. It had 13k on the clock when I bought it and I use it as a daily drive. In short, its fantastic. Also, I'm rather pleased Porsche have decided to go for turbos from now on as like you say its the last of the flat six versions - which should mean it holds its value. So I'll definitely be keeping this for a few years. Yes, I know the new 718 Boxter/Cayman will be slightly quicker, have upgraded infotainment and should be even better handling wise - but I'm sorry, from the videos/reviews I've seen it cannot replicate the pure scream of the engine of the 981 when you nail it - which is a shame for Porsche, but hopefully good for me in the future when I come to sell :cool: - and the noise is one of the best bits about the car, its truly addictive!
I really like the look of the M2, it looks fantastic. You certainly have a tough choice to make! I was looking at a second hand M4 before I went for the Cayman so sort of the same dilemna. Having not had an M4, I can't comment if on whether I made the right choice, however I will say I absolutely LOVE driving the Cayman, it is the most fun I've had in a car.
pleased to hear the Cayman is decent. I am not sure about going for the S or a younger non S model - there are a few nicely specced AUC's appearing for £35k now which look good value. M2, am not sure yet until I see UK reviews and my 330d supplying dealer is expecting their first delivery in June so will call me to come have a look.. I think it will hold its value though, most dealers seem to have only 2-3 cars per year and its deff 2018 now if you out you name down.. I also put down a deposit before all the reviews..
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My dealership says they can't get access to their finance system. Defo not worth the numbers being quoted.
All a bit shambolic.
I'm looking at alternatives now to see what's on offer for similar performance but I might start another thread for that.
The immediate thought Is go in to an r but found out not long ago that all being well my family will be growing from 3 to 4 later on in the year so two kids (1 new born) with a smaller boot makes me think eventhough we tend to travel light.
Anyone who can make a help suggestion for alternatives drop me a pm.
Post up your shortlist of features in the "what are mk7 owners buying next" thread. I'm sure you'll get plenty of wildcard suggestions and even some sensible ones.
A Golf R estate lease has got to feature surely?
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it does all seem a bit typical VW at the moment - who releases a ltd edition car on their website etc with all the hype then dealers aren't set up to provide finance quotes ?
I mean 2 dealers in the same group quoting me 9 and 14% apr as if I will order on that basis.. and another dealer unable to quote at all.
Shame really as I had high hopes for this car and was very keen but it had to be £twenty something not mid 30s..
Good luck to those who get one though it will be a rare sight..
Give VW a chance, they've only had five years to do the groundwork...
:rolleyes:
We have this comedy every time a model is launched.
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pleased to hear the Cayman is decent. I am not sure about going for the S or a younger non S model - there are a few nicely specced AUC's appearing for £35k now which look good value. M2, am not sure yet until I see UK reviews and my 330d supplying dealer is expecting their first delivery in June so will call me to come have a look.. I think it will hold its value though, most dealers seem to have only 2-3 cars per year and its deff 2018 now if you out you name down.. I also put down a deposit before all the reviews..
If you can stretch to it, I'd go for the S - just gives the car that extra bit of grunt which is always nice :wink: Mine is a PDK box and I can highly recommend that, its a brilliant gearbox. The 2.7 is still a fine car though so you won't be disappointed with that. If you can get one with Sports Chrono and Sports Exhaust then do so - they're quite rare to have both specced, and will certainly help with resale.
I think you're totally right, the M2 is going to hold its value, much more so than the current gen M3/4. It's going to be one rare car that's for sure. As you got ahead of the game in terms of ordering it would be rude to not get one! Just don't come anywhere near me, as that thing is a monster (from what I've read) :laugh:
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I was thinking of leaving Volkswagen and the Golf model but just couldn't bring myself to do it. :)
The BMW M2 is a epic car so stick with the order.
I had to stick with 5dr, there wasn't/isn't much out there which ticked the boxes like the Golf R did for me.
Can't wait.
People who have placed orders fur the GTI Clubsport should be happy, it's going to be a rare car and in the dry it should be a hoot.
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My dealership says they can't get access to their finance system. Defo not worth the numbers being quoted.
All a bit shambolic.
I'm looking at alternatives now to see what's on offer for similar performance but I might start another thread for that.
The immediate thought Is go in to an r but found out not long ago that all being well my family will be growing from 3 to 4 later on in the year so two kids (1 new born) with a smaller boot makes me think eventhough we tend to travel light.
Anyone who can make a help suggestion for alternatives drop me a pm.
Congratulations, is it going to be a Vauxhall Zafira or Ford S-Max :whistle:
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Can thoroughly recommend the new S-Max! Have had ours for a month alongside my GTI.
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My dealership says they can't get access to their finance system. Defo not worth the numbers being quoted.
All a bit shambolic.
I'm looking at alternatives now to see what's on offer for similar performance but I might start another thread for that.
The immediate thought Is go in to an r but found out not long ago that all being well my family will be growing from 3 to 4 later on in the year so two kids (1 new born) with a smaller boot makes me think eventhough we tend to travel light.
Anyone who can make a help suggestion for alternatives drop me a pm.
Congratulations, is it going to be a Vauxhall Zafira or Ford S-Max :whistle:
:laugh: more of a VW touran kinda guy. In all seriousness It's a tough choice. Was reading up on the M2 looks like a nice piece of kit but out of my reach at the moment