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General => General discussion => Topic started by: robtt on 22 September 2015, 13:07
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News full of VW fiddling software in U.S. to get their Diesel engines round pollution laws . Seems the engines can pollute 40 times more when not in "testing" mode $35,000 dollar fine for each car in breach . VW shares have fallen about 20% on news as fines will go onto billions. Winklehorn likely to fall on his sword as well. What a mess and what about euro 6 ? Have we been conned by VW as well. If so diesel owners might be looking at their cars being worth less when time comes to sell as not compliant ?
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VW now admitting that 11 million cars effected worldwide -incredible - the company will do well to survive this
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It doesn't affect UK spec engines just the us ea189 engine. Or diesels are ea288.
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It is indeed a shameful deceit by VW and will take them years to recover (similar to the Toyota scandal a few years back). Don't think they're the only ones at it. BMW, Mercedes, GM, Ford will be watching over their shoulders mark my words.
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Hopefully they'll be forced to lower the price of the R400 due to a massive reduction in overall sales, meaning they'll have to sell it on the cheap and then I can get one :laugh:
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It is indeed a shameful deceit by VW and will take them years to recover (similar to the Toyota scandal a few years back). Don't think they're the only ones at it. BMW, Mercedes, GM, Ford will be watching over their shoulders mark my words.
Think that's a good point as was it somehow accepted practice within industry? so many questions and first is did someone knowingly sanction this software? If so must be most stupid decision ever as it was only ever a matter of time before someone somewhere was scratching head at readings and then went digging.
Quite glad on a lease and might even get a good deal on my R next time around as look to keep business.
Not sure how you all feel, but think you get quite numb to corporate mess ups and personally will just carry on driving about without much thought to this. Also will not effect my next manufacture choice either no matter what other manufacture becomes involved.
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Hopefully they'll be forced to lower the price of the R400 due to a massive reduction in overall sales, meaning they'll have to sell it on the cheap and then I can get one :laugh:
Made similar point, amazing how the mind thinks :wink:
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Hopefully they'll be forced to lower the price of the R400 due to a massive reduction in overall sales, meaning they'll have to sell it on the cheap and then I can get one :laugh:
Made similar point, amazing how the mind thinks :wink:
Exactly! Also, I agree with your point on corporate mess ups, let's face it they're all doing it, its just VW were stupid enough to get caught. Indeed, I sort of admire the genius of the 'defeat software' - very clever. Just not clever enough mind!
It won't affect my choice of car next time around. If it was down to build quality or getting around safety tests then that's different, but emissions - I don't really care if I'm being honest (apologies to any green people).
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It won't affect my choice of car next time around. If it was down to build quality or getting around safety tests then that's different, but emissions - I don't really care if I'm being honest (apologies to any green people).
Me neither, although low the RFL is welcome, but by no means a deal breaker.
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were VW 'stupid enough to get caught' or were the grassed up by another company looking at VW's increasing domination of world markets and their own models sliding down the sales scales? I'm sure other manufacturers look very closely at how VW engineer their cars and program their electronics, and whilst looking very closely at the electronics they'd suddenly see little things hidden away just out of view. Even a re-mapper that was struggling a bit with TD1 scares might think "how ironic" and put the flare up...
And what better place to do it than in the Land of the litigious Free?
Not that i'm cynical or anything.
It's funny though, only recently I was thinking back to the 80's when I first got into VW's when a neighbour bought a mk1 GTI Campaign new (I was still at school btw!) Volkswagen was very much a niche brand in most countries and now they're probably right up there at the top of the sales charts all over the world. I sat there and thought about how car manufacturers have their heyday and then something brings them off the boil, so I wondered with all the ever increasing amount of interesting products across the entire VW group spectrum what would make the inevitable happen and the wheels fall off their wagon (Wagen).
It'll be interesting to see how this pans out over the next few years.
Could be a good time to buy VW shares in fact.
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Or not, if you look how the BP Deepwater Horizon issue has dragged on for years and the share price hasn't recovered!
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I'd not touch VW shares with someone else's bargepole at the moment.
There is a very real possibility that VAG could go under with this....
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VAG going under don't be ridiculous!! On what basis do you spout that nonsense?
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You would be surprised at what goes on in the manufacturing sector.
VW will probably change board over this no biggy someone will still get a bonus.
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It is indeed a shameful deceit by VW and will take them years to recover (similar to the Toyota scandal a few years back). Don't think they're the only ones at it. BMW, Mercedes, GM, Ford will be watching over their shoulders mark my words.
Agree - VW won't be the only ones. When all the emissions tightening started 5 years ago and stop start was filtering in, everyone's "official" combined mpg jumped up 20% - Ford, Mazda, Toyota, BMW......
They're all at it - VW got caught first.
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10 billion in Cash reserves, same in Assets so will hit them hard but won't take them under by any imagination.
Have they issued a list of Models effected?
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So far people are commenting primarily on American litigation and regulatory fines. However VW will be more concerned with multiple international regulatory fines in Europe, South America, South Africa, Indonesia, Australia....... Big company, very big immediate problem. :sick:
The fallout is reputational damage, and more of an unknown. Like has been said already, I personally think many firms could conceivably write software that could work this way, and we simply don't know yet if this is the case, but surely all VAG firms could be at fault with so much shared technology and processes?
Not a good day to be a VW/VAG owner! Still wouldn't want a Toyota of any description, unless a Lexus LFA perhaps, lol!
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I just can't believe they thought they'd ever get away with it. I mean, I know fraud goes on, but usually within a closed shop environment such as finance. VAG have a product in the public domain, with enthusiasts accessing the EMS, chipping, and their whole code out there to be reverse engineered by just about anyone with the inclination. I'm disappointed they've cheated, but I'm more disappointed they thought they could get away with it. Still, can't wait to get me new GTi next month :cool:
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VAG going under don't be ridiculous!! On what basis do you spout that nonsense?
Well, US$18bn in EPA fines, plus private/class litigation from owners, plus probably litigation from at least California, plus the cost of a recall of 500k cars, plus the reduction in value of the existing stock on hand to zero...
VW have put aside 6 billion euros, that's quite clearly not enough by a long way.
I'd say the US bill alone will be approaching US$50bn at least by the time they are done, not to mention probably the US market becoming extinct for VAG for some time.
VW might survive that, but the big question is over whether there are problems in any other countries. I'd say just one more country/region with a problem would probably finish them.
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CO2 emission regulations are such a hypocritical waste of time. The car corporations themselves are hardly resourcefully efficient.
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I do wonder if the petrol cars are subject to a similar cheat ? If so we might find ourselves paying more road fund licence and business user taxes ?
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VW were caught playing part of a bigger game that all corporations play. It's a fine line and they just crossed over onto the wrong side.
The 'test's are a joke anyway. defeating or cheating them is trivial with the resources manufacturers have.
Bit of bad press, an 'investigation', a change of some management, some legal wrangles. Storm blown over.
Buy shares, in 5 years you will be laughing.
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CO2 emission regulations are such a hypocritical waste of time. The car corporations themselves are hardly resourcefully efficient.
My thoughts exactly.
And millions of other people too no doubt, but common sense and legislation very rarely go hand in hand.
The jokes and 'panic' over VW resale prices started in work yesterday and will be in full swing no doubt for a while so I'll be wearing my hard hat despite driving a petrol engined car (that most people think is a Diesel anyway).
I wonder how the footfall into VW dealerships will drop away worldwide during the initial panic and internet fuelled hysteria stages ramp up to full steam.
This autumn and winter could be a good time to buy a new or used VW vehicle and it will be interesting to see if the generally ignorant public will just see the VW part of it and ignore the other VW bands whose sales might not be so adversely affected just yet.
A nice political deflection from the massive migrant crisis for European politicians anyway.
Lots of coverage of why VW were caught with their trousers down but still nothing on why the flag went up in the first place, if the cars were programmed to bypass any random inspections then who decided to test one or more in a different way and why?
Were VW grassed up?
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Lots of coverage of why VW were caught with their trousers down but still nothing on why the flag went up in the first place,
Answer is here: https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/214605-vw-caught-cheating-on-diesel-emmissions-standards-ordered-to-recall-500000-cars
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I was pondering earlier...
Since the way they did it was to detect when the car was on a rolling road and then switch to a "clean mode" does that mean people who remapped their diesels were actually remapping against the non-standard map? Assuming they didn't have it real world remapped...
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Lots of coverage of why VW were caught with their trousers down but still nothing on why the flag went up in the first place,
Answer is here: https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/214605-vw-caught-cheating-on-diesel-emmissions-standards-ordered-to-recall-500000-cars
Ahh, that explains a lot.
Thanks Fred :afro:
I was pondering earlier...
Since the way they did it was to detect when the car was on a rolling road and then switch to a "clean mode" does that mean people who remapped their diesels were actually remapping against the non-standard map? Assuming they didn't have it real world remapped...
The test cycle detection program would only be triggered under certain circumstances at certain throttle loads. I can see what you're thinking but re-mapping would navigate through or past this cycle and indeed the car might even still revert back to 'test cycle' even when remapped if the correct conditions were presented.
I think we've seen enough rolling road graphs now to see that the mapped cars are ok.
Proper re-maps will detect any flat spots during the code reading stage and they'll overwrite them to give a much more responsive drive.
Early days yet but I expect a few tuners will have a look at how VW write the cheat cycles into the ECU as basically they're factory remapping the engines but de-tuning them instead of blasting out more power.
If the tuners can tap into that they might be able to introduce features of their own.
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I do wonder if the petrol cars are subject to a similar cheat ? If so we might find ourselves paying more road fund licence and business user taxes ?
Doubt it very much. NOx is produced at very high temperatures and pressures, the kind you see in diesel engines, not petrol engines. Diesel autoignites at around 800C, petrol ignites under spark at around 130C, reaching a max of around 250C.
Additionally, diesel combusts in a greater excess of air than petrol inside the engine.
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I bet I won't be able to take advantage of this "scandal" to negotiate anything further on Saturday when I pick up the wife's shiny new Audi A1 1.6TDI Sport.
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I'd try it on MH.... "my wife isn't sure she wants the car now, she's very concerned about the health of the flowers and kittens but if you gave her a 100 quid in cash for a donation to greenpeace she'd be prepared to carry on"
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I'd try it on MH.... "my wife isn't sure she wants the car now, she's very concerned about the health of the flowers and kittens but if you gave her a 100 quid in cash for a donation to greenpeace she'd be prepared to carry on"
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Might ring up Audi UK - perhaps they are giving out £250 high street vouchers? :evil:
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Just rang up Audi UK. Blanket statement of them looking into whether it is an issue outside the US, what engines might be affected etc. I said I was wondering whether I wanted to pick up our new A1 on Saturday, whether residuals would be harmed or whether the car would require a lot of rework under recall etc.
I said that I felt I might need to delay pick-up of the car until all potential questions were answered. Hoping they would offer a sweetener like some accessories or a voucher. Nothing offered, I didn't want to hint at it and give the game away of trying it on.
Might mention my "concerns" to the dealership salesman when he calls today to talk reg numbers etc. They might hoy in a freebie or 2 (doubt it).
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If VW wanted to do a vote on future confidence then they get one right here as yes someone screwed up royally but my thinking is overall the integrity of the majority of workers in company is sound and after this that will be even greater.
The product they sale is of greater quality to most you see on the road overall and when add all that together then would have absolutely no hesitation buying a VW again.
Think my main interest now is whether any of other manufacturers going to be caught up in this microscope.
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The product they sale is of greater quality to most you see on the road overall and when add all that together then would have absolutely no hesitation buying a VW again.
Agree, how many tidy looking 10 year old Renaults and Fords do you see on the road? Always generous on the safety equipment, refinement is always well up there compared to the competition.
It's a pity the reliability isn't as it once was.
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According to breaking news, VW cheated European tests too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34345210 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34345210)
And the UK is to do it's own testing - to make sure the problem is not industry wide.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34352548 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34352548)
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Could explain the stark difference in quoted and actual MPG.
VW facing massive financial crisis
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Just rang up Audi UK. Blanket statement of them looking into whether it is an issue outside the US, what engines might be affected etc. I said I was wondering whether I wanted to pick up our new A1 on Saturday, whether residuals would be harmed or whether the car would require a lot of rework under recall etc.
I said that I felt I might need to delay pick-up of the car until all potential questions were answered. Hoping they would offer a sweetener like some accessories or a voucher. Nothing offered, I didn't want to hint at it and give the game away of trying it on.
Might mention my "concerns" to the dealership salesman when he calls today to talk reg numbers etc. They might hoy in a freebie or 2 (doubt it).
My GTD has just arrived in the UK.I'm not particularly happy with what VW have (possibly) done with my car.But at the same time i'm not going to reject it.It is still very early days yet so i'm not going to jump on the 'we're all dooooooomed!' ship just yet. :smiley:
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Just rang up Audi UK. Blanket statement of them looking into whether it is an issue outside the US, what engines might be affected etc. I said I was wondering whether I wanted to pick up our new A1 on Saturday, whether residuals would be harmed or whether the car would require a lot of rework under recall etc.
I said that I felt I might need to delay pick-up of the car until all potential questions were answered. Hoping they would offer a sweetener like some accessories or a voucher. Nothing offered, I didn't want to hint at it and give the game away of trying it on.
Might mention my "concerns" to the dealership salesman when he calls today to talk reg numbers etc. They might hoy in a freebie or 2 (doubt it).
My GTD has just arrived in the UK.I'm not particularly happy with what VW have (possibly) done with my car.But at the same time i'm not going to reject it.It is still very early days yet so i'm not going to jump on the 'we're all dooooooomed!' ship just yet. :smiley:
I'm not concerned, just hoping that voicing a concern might persuade VAG to throw a service pack in the mix for free - shy bairns get nowt. :evil:
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Drove home laying smoke from my A4 soot chucker.
I figure if I do my bit to drive down residuals I can pick up a GTD next year for cheaps.
That Smokey map I got is paying back now.
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Just rang up Audi UK. Blanket statement of them looking into whether it is an issue outside the US, what engines might be affected etc. I said I was wondering whether I wanted to pick up our new A1 on Saturday, whether residuals would be harmed or whether the car would require a lot of rework under recall etc.
I said that I felt I might need to delay pick-up of the car until all potential questions were answered. Hoping they would offer a sweetener like some accessories or a voucher. Nothing offered, I didn't want to hint at it and give the game away of trying it on.
Might mention my "concerns" to the dealership salesman when he calls today to talk reg numbers etc. They might hoy in a freebie or 2 (doubt it).
My GTD has just arrived in the UK.I'm not particularly happy with what VW have (possibly) done with my car.But at the same time i'm not going to reject it.It is still very early days yet so i'm not going to jump on the 'we're all dooooooomed!' ship just yet. :smiley:
I'm not concerned, just hoping that voicing a concern might persuade VAG to throw a service pack in the mix for free - shy bairns get nowt. :evil:
Congratulations, it's stunts like these that make all cars more expensive to buy and run for all of us. How else do you think they will recover the cost? No such thing as a free lunch is there?
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Someone had to find a vaguely humourous side to it.
http://FunnyOrDie.com/m/9zlw (http://FunnyOrDie.com/m/9zlw)
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Just rang up Audi UK. Blanket statement of them looking into whether it is an issue outside the US, what engines might be affected etc. I said I was wondering whether I wanted to pick up our new A1 on Saturday, whether residuals would be harmed or whether the car would require a lot of rework under recall etc.
I said that I felt I might need to delay pick-up of the car until all potential questions were answered. Hoping they would offer a sweetener like some accessories or a voucher. Nothing offered, I didn't want to hint at it and give the game away of trying it on.
Might mention my "concerns" to the dealership salesman when he calls today to talk reg numbers etc. They might hoy in a freebie or 2 (doubt it).
My GTD has just arrived in the UK.I'm not particularly happy with what VW have (possibly) done with my car.But at the same time i'm not going to reject it.It is still very early days yet so i'm not going to jump on the 'we're all dooooooomed!' ship just yet. :smiley:
I'm not concerned, just hoping that voicing a concern might persuade VAG to throw a service pack in the mix for free - shy bairns get nowt. :evil:
Congratulations, it's stunts like these that make all cars more expensive to buy and run for all of us. How else do you think they will recover the cost? No such thing as a free lunch is there?
When they can sell a Golf 7 GTI or R to the Yanks for 2/3 of the cost to us in the EU (and the R for US market is a Wolfsburg built one) and give them free metallic paint, they are making more than enough out of us in the EU and especially in the UK.
Funny how cheap they can be when market conditions force them to be competitive. When the Euro weakens 20% over a year and yet they impose 2 rises in the UK list price in the space of 10 months, they clearly are making plenty from UK buyers. If I can get a free service pack out of them then I will try, they already have our pants down.
I pay a premium for a new VW/Audiover much of the competition, some of that is down to refinement, some down to technological advancement, but most importantly down to excellent residual expectations. If panic and rumour might erode those residuals, I would like to get something back.
Despite my having previously bought VWs on finance and generally getting 0.3% below their typical APR on the webpage for that model, and having an impeccable credit history, the typical APR on the A1 is currently 6.5%. On the finance agreement for the wife's A1, the APR is 7.6%, and the GFV is over £500 less than you can achieve on Audi's own finance calculator for that model. He's clearly manipulated the system to claw back some of the discount agreed at point of sale. That is no bother to me, I put £7k down and will settle the other £10k within the 14 day finance cooling off period on Monday.
When they do sneaky things like that, I have no qualms in trying to press them for a free service pack with the current media sh!tstorm going on around VAG.
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this will probably turn into another PPI style event... Lawyers rubbing their hands and chasing VW drivers down the streets looking for cash..
Lawyers will be the only winners here.
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and fuel for he climate change debate
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Nice to know my soon to be picked up Euro 6 compliant GTD isn't affected by this storm in a teacup. :cool:
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Apparently car makers have tricked us into buying cars :whistle:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34376086
Doesn't take a genius to realise that these tests have always been a farce and that real world figures are no where near the manufacturers claims :rolleyes:
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Apparently car makers have tricked us into buying cars :whistle:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34376086
Doesn't take a genius to realise that these tests have always been a farce and that real world figures are no where near the manufacturers claims :rolleyes:
Lots of people will "welcome" stricter tests until it hits them in the wallet.
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Nice to know my soon to be picked up Euro 6 compliant GTD isn't affected by this storm in a teacup. :cool:
It is already affecting us in the UK without many knowing, the GFV of certain models has alredy been slashed, running into thousands on some models compared to a month ago.
Its a complete and utter shambles from the Volkswagen group, Skoda and Audi are now admitting they too have dodgy cars out there...... this could cost the group way more than the initial $18 billion in terms of fines, you then have individual law suites on top of that then the actual cost of recalling the cars!
Wouldn't surprise me if the Golf R400 got shelved along with other projects, the entire R&D team for VW, Audi and Porsche have been suspended too.
New Focus RS anybody? :grin: :laugh:
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One thing is for sure the undeclared map and even the ability to reprogram is going to be history
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well after all the news, it looks like UK cars are effected too. you can check here with VIN to see if you are one of them...
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/dieselinfo
It seems mine is effected though
Dear Volkswagen customer,
We regret to inform you that the Type EA 189 engine built into your vehicle with the Vehicle Identification Number you submitted, is affected by software that causes discrepancies in the values for oxides of nitrogen (NOx) during dynometer runs. Your car is safe from a technical standpoint and roadworthy.
We are very sorry to have broken your trust and are working at full speed to find a technical solution. Volkswagen will cover the cost relating directly to this repair.
We will be in touch with you directly to explain what steps are required. We'll do the necessary work at our cost and have you quickly back on the road.
Yours faithfully,
Volkswagen.
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well after all the news, it looks like UK cars are effected too. you can check here with VIN to see if you are one of them...
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/dieselinfo
It seems mine is effected though
Dear Volkswagen customer,
We regret to inform you that the Type EA 189 engine built into your vehicle with the Vehicle Identification Number you submitted, is affected by software that causes discrepancies in the values for oxides of nitrogen (NOx) during dynometer runs. Your car is safe from a technical standpoint and roadworthy.
We are very sorry to have broken your trust and are working at full speed to find a technical solution. Volkswagen will cover the cost relating directly to this repair.
We will be in touch with you directly to explain what steps are required. We'll do the necessary work at our cost and have you quickly back on the road.
Yours faithfully,
Volkswagen.
Just checked mine, its also affected... (2010 GTD)
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Yep, mine is affected too. Don't know what this means in terms of the affect the changes will make to the car? I'm concerned.
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What even is the incentive to get the as yet unknown work done? I'd wait for a lot more detail.
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Mis sold TDi - they can get you compensation :grin: :laugh:
Mines effected - biggest gripe will be a drop in MPG - espeically when I have got 23ks worth of fill drain refill figures to prove it if it happens.
Not going to start recalls until Jan - looks like they will be RE moting mine as its due in December when the warranty runs out :rolleyes:
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If it's out of warranty why even bother with the updated software?
In fact if it's out of warranty why is anyone even running it without a stage 1 remap???? :whistle:
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Yeah I won't be getting it done straight away, if at all. Won't be able to take it the dealers for servicing anymore as I bet they'll update it automatically.
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Mine's affected too.
Wonder if it'll be a quick software update or whether VW will offer something more?
I read that resale values of the "affected" cars is has been affected by c.3%. I'm not planning on selling mine until next year so we'll see how it all pans out. :rolleyes:
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Both our cars are affected my Tiguan and the wifes GTD .
I am same as above posters will wait and see what the cure will do to the mpg and power and also trade in price .
I see the big VW boss is blaming two techs for fitting the cheats and says the management didn't know about it ,,, Bollocks the two techs didn't fit all cars so they did know ....
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I bet you have to sign a waiver when the car is updated to the effect that you won't pursue compensation etc.
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New fuel injectors and software for the 1.6 diesels
Software only for the 2.0's......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34505593
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Pahah; the wives motor isn't affected but my company car is :laugh:
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I bet you have to sign a waiver when the car is updated to the effect that you won't pursue compensation etc.
they will be signing a waiver when it goes in for its mot they WONT be doing the recall ! - if it still passes then it wont be getting done at all :laugh:
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Just ran my mk3 TDI through, luckily it's not affected.
I was beginning to worry.... :grin:
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http://autoexpert.com.au/buying-a-car/how-volkswagen-betrayed-the-world
WERE THE REGULATORS ASLEEP?
The governmental gatekeepers of emissions compliance in North America, Western Europe and here in Australia are asleep at the wheel. How is it possible that a rinky-dink engineering department in North America uncovered this scandal first? It’s been going on for a decade. It would be nice to think our regulators would be on this faster than Oprah on a baked ham … but apparently they’re not. How many other automotive scandals are hidden in plain sight in just this way right now? The culture of virtual self-regulation by the auto industry is - clearly - fatally flawed.
HOW VOLKSWAGEN EVEN BETRAYED ITS BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Lower Saxony - a German state comprised of almost eight million constituents - owns 20 per cent of Volkswagen. It relies on its Volkswagen dividend to provide healthcare, education, infrastructure and other municipal services for its eight million people. This crime has wiped almost 40 per cent off Volkswagen’s net worth. So, in a very real way, Volkswagen also just betrayed eight million people, and one of its largest shareholders, including 20 per cent of the board of directors.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/384987/volkswagen-hires-lawyers-who-defended-bp-after-deepwater-horizon-disaster-report/
Volkswagen has engaged the law firm Kirkland & Ellis, who defended BP in the aftermath of the Deepwater Horizon disaster in 2010.
According to multiple sources, including The Guardian and Bloomberg, Volkswagen has hired Kirkland & Ellis to help it deal with investigations, as well as any impending civil and criminal claims.
Sources have told Bloomberg that the US Justice Department has begun a criminal probe into Volkswagen’s use of defeat devices to pass emissions testing.
German federal and state institutions have begun or are contemplating starting investigations into the company. Action has also been mooted in France and the United Kingdom, while South Korea has reportedly already started one.
Automotive News understands that at least 25 class action law suits have already been filed against Volkswagen in the US.
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I bet you have to sign a waiver when the car is updated to the effect that you won't pursue compensation etc.
they will be signing a waiver when it goes in for its mot they WONT be doing the recall ! - if it still passes then it wont be getting done at all :laugh:
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It will still pass. The test for new cars is very different to the MOT.
The update is likely to just remove the 'defeat device' they wouldn't risk upsetting customers/press further by changing fueling/boost mapping.
...the change in injectors, (if they indeed are changed) will be to ensure that the emissions are within the limits of the original test.
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The other half's Scirocco will be going in for the "fix". It will also be going on the dyno before and after with lots of data logging. I believe I inadvertently triggered this "testing mode" on the rollers with a Mk6 110 tdi a couple of weeks ago, boost request was down to 0.3 bar and would only make 60bhp until I reset it. :huh: