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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: JamesR27 on 30 April 2015, 11:46
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Has anyone heard anything about a Mk7 Edition 40 coming out at any stage?
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Its not been discussed anywhere beyond questions like yours as far as I am aware......
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Where on earth would it fit into the lineup now is the question. Now that the GTI and R are not that far apart on price and we have 2 GTI variants already - standard and the PP. Not to mention the GTD and GTE!
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Where on earth would it fit into the lineup now is the question. Now that the GTI and R are not that far apart on price and we have 2 GTI variants already - standard and the PP. Not to mention the GTD and GTE!
Gunning for the Megane 275 Trophy would be nice, but I can't see it happening.
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If it does happen, I reckon it would be basically a GTI PP with some visual "Edition 40" enhancements and possibly very slight tweaks to say brakes/suspension/engine breathing. I don't see them doing anything more than that. It would be done purely for the "limited edition" appeal more than anything.
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I ordered my Edition 30 as soon as the order book opened in very early November 2006, and the first cars were on the road from early February 2007, so I wouldn't expect to see any launch until the latter half of 2016 at the very earliest.
A variation of the GTI PP with some different styling and standard equipment with the SEAT Leon 280 engine would be a nice touch
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I was assuming the R400 was homage to the brand instead of an edition 40. Would struggle to slot into the lineup otherwise
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As a 'Special Edition' it doesn't have the same requirement to 'slot in the line up' as regular cars do. People will always buy it because its a one-off :-)
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On the basis that the Ed35 had a little more power than the Ed30, I would expect them to do something to the current Performance pack engine, even if it warms it up to 240 bhp, before adding a few badges and 19" wheels.
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(http://lh4.ggpht.com/-tMXdRzWfBOc/U4x-NBN_z2I/AAAAAAARM2c/WIKv8yA8qUM/s1600/VW-Golf-Edition-1%25255B3%25255D.jpg)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/24/2e4fd7cc4eef3ae37a09c2956915a02d.jpg)
:grin: :grin: :grin: :tongue:
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The Scirocco GTS has red stripes on its seat belts so I'm going to guess that will make an appearance on an ED40 as they're in the parts bin.
The Cupra 280 engine has now found it's way into the Skoda Superb so a version of that is a very likely suspect.
The R400 is hovering in the wings waiting to make a statement from the VW group as a whole "Nobody makes hatches better than VW and here's the technology we have at our disposal and versatility of the MQB"
There's still a chance the R400 will be a celebration of 40 years of performance Golfs so could still yet be badged as a GTI and R or cleverly marketed as an R product that pays homage to the GTI? Who knows...
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There's still a chance the R400 will be a celebration of 40 years of performance Golfs so could still yet be badged as a GTI and R or cleverly marketed as an R product that pays homage to the GTI? Who knows...
A GT-R then?
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Id agree with Exonian
I could see the ED40 having the 280ps engine with PP standard...maybe even the ACC aswell.
Ken
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Id agree with Exonian
I could see the ED40 having the 280ps engine with PP standard...maybe even the ACC aswell.
Ken
That would be tempting. Knowing VW I think it would be 260ps tops though.
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Maybe a worthersee surprise or a Frankfurt debut, VW seem to keep the big launches for Frankfurt
In the spirit of the 30 and 35 detuned R engine would be fitting, i'd like to see VW be a bit bolder and make it more hardcore
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Maybe a worthersee surprise or a Frankfurt debut, VW seem to keep the big launches for Frankfurt
In the spirit of the 30 and 35 detuned R engine would be fitting, i'd like to see VW be a bit bolder and make it more hardcore
There were many hints about lightweight panels in the early days of mk7 production so now's VW's chance as a warm up limited run exercise before maybe the practice is adopted more in mk8 guise? We can but hope! :grin:
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http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/radical-volkswagen-golf-gti-concept-revealed (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/radical-volkswagen-golf-gti-concept-revealed)
Looks excellent
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Good find Smiffy.
So it looks about what we expected.
Some lightweight stuff, the bumper scoops off last years Worthersee offering, the Cupra engine (the 265ps version) and a few 'unique' bits of trim.
Best get saving... :cool:
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Good find Smiffy.
So it looks about what we expected.
Some lightweight stuff, the bumper scoops off last years Worthersee offering, the Cupra engine (the 265ps version) and a few 'unique' bits of trim.
Best get saving... :cool:
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Will it be a limited run. I hope they make them in another colour as I'm not big on white cars.
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Pure white and oryx white are the best visually for the mk7 gtd & gti. I've seen a lot of red and black but white just looks the better colour (sorry to the gti red purists :wink:).
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liking that a lot :cry:
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Good find Smiffy.
So it looks about what we expected.
Some lightweight stuff, the bumper scoops off last years Worthersee offering, the Cupra engine (the 265ps version) and a few 'unique' bits of trim.
Best get saving... :cool:
+1.
Will it be a limited run. I hope they make them in another colour as I'm not big on white cars.
Pure white and oryx white are the best visually for the mk7 gtd & gti. I've seen a lot of red and black but white just looks the better colour (sorry to the gti red purists :wink:).
Sadly 'tis a fact that white works best on the mk7, and quite a lot of other modern cars right now.
All of VW's press release stuff and the early motorshow mk7 GTI's were all white (oryx mostly) as that's the best colour to show them off in. It just works.
Nearly every GTI in my locality and at least 50% of the R's are white so I'd dearly love a colour that looked great but stood out from the others. However I think the common denominator is white was ordered for a reason by all of the above owners, not just because it's about £300 cheaper than metallic :laugh:
If I was ordering again? I might give silver a shot but it doesn't look as good as white on a GTI.
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That does look good and nice find. I am very tempted already and as Exonian said White does really suit the mk7 but I think I would favour silver to be different.
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Believe it or not I'm doing the same with my next car. I love the white against the deep black trim and wheels but I need a colour now and it's either silver or carbon grey if I get another mk7 golf.
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Lucky I am saving for my next car i guess. The only thing is which one to aim for R400 or GTI Clubsport? Realistically I know I would more likely be able to afford a GTI clubsport than a R400, especially after building a PC workstation beast next year for 3D modeling and animation. The concept pics for the GTI clubsport look awesome. Will definitely be watching out for this car with anticipation that it hits production.
After owning an Oryx White presently I would definitely go for it again. It is the only colour for me, unless they release the silky metallic grey colour you see on the R400 pics.
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Lucky I am saving for my next car i guess. The only thing is which one to aim for R400 or GTI Clubsport? Realistically I know I would more likely be able to afford a GTI clubsport than a R400, especially after building a PC workstation beast next year for 3D modeling and animation. The concept pics for the GTI clubsport look awesome. Will definitely be watching out for this car with anticipation that it hits production.
After owning an Oryx White presently I would definitely go for it again. It is the only colour for me, unless they release the silky metallic grey colour you see on the R400 pics.
I agree if they did the r400 colour, or I would like the original mk1 gti diamond silver would be nice.
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I am looking forward to the Golf GTI Edition 40 and R420.
Not sure which I will buy but definitely needs to be in 5 door guise.
The GTI Ed 40 could prove a very fun package as it will still be a lighter car compared to the current Golf R.
Exciting times, let's hope Volkswagen build both.
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I would also need the car to be in 5 door guise. Looks like next year could be a very exciting year for us VW fans. :smiley:
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A Golf GTI Edition 40 in 5dr and a Golf R420 in 3dr mmmm best get lucky on the lottery :)
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Sell the wife & kids if you have any?
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So the ultimate question is, do we get a boost button :evil: or will it just be at full throttle in 'clubsport' mode?
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http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/vw-golf-gti-clubsport-40th-birthday-2015-05-11 couldn't open the autocar link but this just popped up on my twitter feed, might give some more info re this?
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We've only got to wait until Wednesday to see the dry run at Worthersee.
I'd assume the extra booooooost comes in when you get the throttle pedal past the DSG kick down switch thingy.
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Aww I really want a button :smiley: wonder why the bothered tho, surely just stick the full 280 from a Leon and have done with it instead of messing around with variable power outputs. Makes it more special however
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i would really like to see the Headlight units from the R models in any Edition 40! i feel the twin DRL looks top notch :)
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I do like the l.e.d indicators on the R aswell
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I do like the l.e.d indicators on the R aswell
I do as well, but be a nice touch if they did full LED headlights as well. I know this will probably be saved for the mk8 though.
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I do like the l.e.d indicators on the R aswell
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I saw an R waiting to turn at a set of lights the other week and noticed the all LED front indicators. Very cool. Bit of a let down to have beautifully designed xenon headlights but only get old school orange bulbs for indicators on the GTI/GTD's. I too believe all LED units will be saved for the Mk 8 GTI/GTD/R
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Apologies if these have been posted before, but these are the first "proper" images I've seen of the upcoming GTI Club-sport (from Motor Talk.de).
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8731/17587186542_567a718140_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/sN7VQb)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5468/17563161056_dea14a5bd3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/sKZMTE)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8805/17589503635_0082549f21_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/sNjNC4)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8830/17403182049_9ddcdab86b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/svRRGV)
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Apologies if these have been posted before, but these are the first "proper" images I've seen of the upcoming GTI Club-sport (from Motor Talk.de).
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8731/17587186542_567a718140_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/sN7VQb)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5468/17563161056_dea14a5bd3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/sKZMTE)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8805/17589503635_0082549f21_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/sNjNC4)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8830/17403182049_9ddcdab86b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/svRRGV)
Wheres the ACC!!! Only joking that looks gorgeous, seems to have doubler U drl too, which if im honest im a bit disappointed with, I know a lot of you like it but I hoped it would have its own special pattern
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Looks great but I'm not sure about that rear spoiler. Looks a bit shopping trolley handle for my liking!
Also they are still only "renderings", wouldn't rely on those images to be close to the real thing - e.g. It doesn't have the rear LED's in those pics so the double-Drl front may not be accurate either.
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From the pictures it doesn't look that different to the current car. Revised front grille and bigger spoiler seem to be it. Not so sure about the decal down the side. Clubsport just sounds wrong.
Where does this sit in the pricing? Considering the R is only 3k more expensive than the GTI PP who would buy this over the R?
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agreed pricing is a problem, but if it was only 1k cheaper than an R i would still be sorely tempted, this will be a faster car just not 0-60.
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Really liking the look of this, it could prove a very fun and nible package.
Lets hope you can add the Performance Pack brakes and the e-Diff (VAQ).
I may take this over the Golf R420 :rolleyes: but I do think Volkswagen should give it the full 280ps like the Cupra 280. :smiley:
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I like it........I like it alot!!
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Really liking the look of this, it could prove a very fun and nible package.
Lets hope you can add the Performance Pack brakes and the e-Diff (VAQ).
I may take this over the Golf R420 :rolleyes: but I do think Volkswagen should give it the full 280ps like the Cupra 280. :smiley:
pretty confident it will come with them as standard
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Really liking the look of this, it could prove a very fun and nible package.
Lets hope you can add the Performance Pack brakes and the e-Diff (VAQ).
I may take this over the Golf R420 :rolleyes: but I do think Volkswagen should give it the full 280ps like the Cupra 280. :smiley:
pretty confident it will come with them as standard
Lets hope so...... really excited now :laugh: whichever Golf I get next, it would need to be 5 doors so lets see how the Golf R420 story pans out....
I wonder if Volkswagen will announce both models back to back at the Frankfurt Motorshow? :smiley:
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It looks good, but a few things don't look right in those photos. The wheels look to be about 26" compared to the car size, and it sits lower than it actually will in real life. Also doesn't look to have the R L.E.D indicators which is a shame.
As a special edition it's beautiful though.
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It looks good, but a few things don't look right in those photos. The wheels look to be about 26" compared to the car size, and it sits lower than it actually will in real life. Also doesn't look to have the R L.E.D indicators which is a shame.
As a special edition it's beautiful though.
As I said in a previous post, this is just a rendering. There's no way the wheels will look that big or it will sit that low in reality. Also it will certainly have rear LED's, same as the regular GTI / R.
I expect the reality is that the Edition 40 will follow the same styling cues as the Edition 30 and 35 before it - i.e. It'll borrow heavily from the R (similar colour coded side skirts, same front and rear lights), etc.
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We will have to wait and see what the official model comes with, I suspect it will come with the following as standard.
GTI Performance Pack specification (brakes & e-Diff)
Golf R suspension 10mm lower than GTI
Golf R Sound Aktuator
Golf R rear and front lights (LED indicators etc)
Edition 40 branding and interior items
18/19" Edition 40 alloy wheels
Revised Exhaust sytem
Revised Edition 40 body work updates
Volkswagen will try and use exisiting parts from the VW parts bin, apart from the bodywork and alloys which might be Edition 40 specific.
:)
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As Joe said, It must be a rendering as if you look closely at the wheels (on both views), the brake calipers front and rear are on the trailing edges of the wheels, whereas all all MK7's so far (GTD, GTi, GTi PP and R), all have them on the leading edge. Can't see the ED40 getting a totally unique brake setup all of it's own ?
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As Joe said, It must be a rendering as if you look closely at the wheels (on both views), the brake calipers front and rear are on the trailing edges of the wheels, whereas all all MK7's so far (GTD, GTi, GTi PP and R), all have them on the leading edge. Can't see the ED40 getting a totally unique brake setup all of it's own ?
I'd agree, the ED40 will just use whats already available in the parts bin (see my previous post)
The GTI Performance Pack brakes are the same as the Golf R, so will just get these as standard.
The Golf R420 however will most likely get Audi (RS) spec hardware, brakes, exhaust etc
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Not really a clubsport imho unless they have gone mad with weight saving and added some buckets and some decent brakes, they have the 370 set up off the Cupra Performance pack knocking around
Hopefully on the Ed40 they will let you turn the driver aids fully like the R
Will be interesting if the R400/R420 uses the rear diff of the RS3 (actually from a Passat) to put 100% of power to the rear wheels given a Stage 1 R will spin the fronts from launch
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Not really a clubsport imho unless they have gone mad with weight saving and added some buckets and some decent brakes, they have the 370 set up off the Cupra Performance pack knocking around
Hopefully on the Ed40 they will let you turn the driver aids fully like the R
Will be interesting if the R400/R420 uses the rear diff of the RS3 (actually from a Passat) to put 100% of power to the rear wheels given a Stage 1 R will spin the fronts from launch
The standard Golf GTI PP is a good bit lighter than the Golf R and I very much doubt Volkswagen will implement the Carbon roof that was originally planned for the MK7 MQB platform Golf.
I also doubt Volkswagen will change too much from the Golf R to the R420 as the current Golf R is a very good package, think Golf R plus more performance and different body work parts to make it the R420.
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I agree never great when they use the "clubsport" name in vain! :smiley:
You have to consider their motive, when the product doesn't quite match the marketing perception?
(Long term username from serial Porsche CS ownership).
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I agree never great when they use the "clubsport" name in vain! :smiley:
You have to consider their motive, when the product doesn't quite match the marketing perception?
(Long term username from serial Porsche CS ownership).
I guess as VW own Porsche they know they're not infringing on any copy-writes!
I'd guess that at the project's inception it was a proper Clubsport model and if you google GTI Club Sport you'll see red mk7 GTI with black Talladegas that VW used as a test mule for this model last year. It has on it some hideous rear spoiler which is obviously disguised and a front splitter which will both likely make it onto this model. This car might have originally been intended as a lightweight version which would share lighter panels with the R400 but maybe cost got in the way? The CS would tread on the R's toes price wise and certainly performance wise.
I still haven't seen any photos of the car which will be released at Worthersee in the next day or so if not already.
So yes, just a marketing exercise to whet appetites and get the GTI name back in circulation in this fickle commercial world we live in before the R takes over again when the 400/420 comes on stream. I think with the GTI CS/ED40 it hints at maybe why there's confusion over the R400/420 as there could well be an over-boost feature on the R400 that takes it up to 420 for brief squirts?
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I don't think there is any copyright on the clubsport name for car models.
The first Porsche to use the name was the 1981 924 Carrera GTS CS, then 1987 911 3.2 Clubsport, 964 RS CS, less well equipped 968CS, followed by 993 RS CS & GT2 CS.
It all got heavier with marketing on the later GT3 cars were offered a clubsport pack, so lost it's way then.
Don't forget BMW treated us in 2004 to the E46 330 Ci Clubsport with extra tat on it making it heavier than the standard 330Ci ! :smiley:
The Golf seems to be in the mould of the BMW.
Please don't get the impression I am anti Gti, have owned several and on here to decide on a Mk7 PP or Ed30 as my next daily driver.
Cheers.
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Must be a clubsport theme going on in VAG towers with this TT concept too :)
(https://s.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT_TO_WIDTH-w568/e87b288089dcdac5743a445f6ddcbd5195b5c684.jpg)
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Press release yesterday:
"World premiere of the Golf GTI Clubsport at Lake Wörthersee
Exclusive anniversary model for 40th birthday of the GTI
Golf GTI Clubsport debuts with 265 PS and boost function
Next year, the Golf GTI celebrates its 40th birthday. Volkswagen is marking this historic event with a progressive anniversary model: the new Golf GTI Clubsport. Volkswagen will be showcasing the Golf GTI Clubsport on 14th May as part of the legendary GTI meet at Lake Wörthersee, when it will make its world premiere in the form of a near-production concept car.
With a power output of 195 kW / 265 PS (35 PS more than the Golf GTI Performance) and top performance temporarily increased by around a further 10 per cent thanks to a boost function, the Golf GTI Clubsport is set to take off at the start of 2016 as the most powerful production 'GTI' yet. The anniversary model is being launched not only with an extremely powerful engine, but also with an individualised interior and exclusive bodywork details.
The design modifications include a completely new front bumper, new side sills, a new and aerodynamically highly innovative roof-edge spoiler and a specially developed rear diffuser. All of these features were designed with the aim of further enhancing the GTI's performance and of thereby bringing form and function into perfect harmony. The interplay of the very high power output thanks to the boost function and significantly improved levels of downforce move the Golf GTI Clubsport into the realms of motorsport driving dynamics. Consequently, handling remains extremely stable even at very high speeds. Breath-taking cornering speeds are also possible. The new Golf GTI Clubsport thus makes a great case for itself as unadulterated sports car."
Already really enthusiastic about this version!
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https://de-de.facebook.com/autobild/posts/10152911570415975
Kind of like the front bumper, not so sure on the rear spoiler or the wheels. Pipes look bigger.
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https://www.facebook.com/VWvortex/photos/pb.89890473454.-2207520000.1431607034./10153526205423455/?type=1&theater
https://www.facebook.com/VWvortex/photos/pb.89890473454.-2207520000.1431607034./10153526205373455/?type=1&theater
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Merged.
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I actually like those wheels, must better than the current 19" offerings
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I actually like those wheels, must better than the current 19" offerings
Diamond cut again :sick:
They do look nice though. It also appears to have the darker R tails but has the regular GTI (single U DRL) headlamps.
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I was hoping I'd love this car and save up to buy one next year.
I kind of like it but it's almost trying a bit too hard, so therefore I've come to the conclusion I'm impossible to please :grin:
Either that or the styling on the current GTI/D is so good it doesn't really need anything else.
Am looking forward to seeing the interior.
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stuff the ed40, im buying one of these! http://www.autobild.de/bilder/34.-gti-treffen-am-woerthersee-die-highlights-5750976.html#bild1
On a serious note, these are photos coming in from woerthersee, and are constantly updating (ie. the link is taking you to photo 1 which at the time of posting is a GTE Sport Concept, if you click in a hour it will most likely be a grandma's shopping cart that produces baby kittens out of the rear and for the record I do not want that!)
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stuff the ed40, im buying one of these! http://www.autobild.de/bilder/34.-gti-treffen-am-woerthersee-die-highlights-5750976.html#bild1
On a serious note, these are photos coming in from woerthersee, and are constantly updating (ie. the link is taking you to photo 1 which at the time of posting is a GTE Sport Concept, if you click in a hour it will most likely be a grandma's shopping cart that produces baby kittens out of the rear and for the record I do not want that!)
although i probably wouldnt say no to a funstar lol
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stuff the ed40, im buying one of these! http://www.autobild.de/bilder/34.-gti-treffen-am-woerthersee-die-highlights-5750976.html#bild1
On a serious note, these are photos coming in from woerthersee, and are constantly updating (ie. the link is taking you to photo 1 which at the time of posting is a GTE Sport Concept, if you click in a hour it will most likely be a grandma's shopping cart that produces baby kittens out of the rear and for the record I do not want that!)
although i probably wouldnt say no to a funstar lol
I wouldn't say no to grandma! :grin:
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I wouldn't say no to grandma! :grin:
Maybe you should reserve judgement until you see Grandma :laugh:
I was hoping I'd love this car and save up to buy one next year.
I kind of like it but it's almost trying a bit too hard, so therefore I've come to the conclusion I'm impossible to please :grin:
Either that or the styling on the current GTI/D is so good it doesn't really need anything else.
Am looking forward to seeing the interior.
Have to say I agree about your assessment of it trying too hard.
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(http://i.auto-bild.de/ir_img/1/2/8/0/0/9/4/VW-Golf-GTI-Clubsport-1200x800-f6294bf917c6c57d.jpg)
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i'm liking that interior, for once the white is not doing it for me, however, i can see this in carbon grey with some black lightweight wheels on :)
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no parking sensors or heated seats tho! probably just a basic model im sure you can add them later but interestingly its a 6MT, I wouldve thought theyd limit it to DSG actually
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stuff the ed40, im buying one of these! http://www.autobild.de/bilder/34.-gti-treffen-am-woerthersee-die-highlights-5750976.html#bild1
On a serious note, these are photos coming in from woerthersee, and are constantly updating (ie. the link is taking you to photo 1 which at the time of posting is a GTE Sport Concept, if you click in a hour it will most likely be a grandma's shopping cart that produces baby kittens out of the rear and for the record I do not want that!)
That looks like the lovechild of a Golf and a BMW i8. I quite like it.
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I was hoping the exterior would be more like last year's Wolfsburg Edition which was quite subtle outside (ignoring the Corsa stripes) but the Clubsport interior looks cool if those are the standard seats (yeah, right!) rather than a option we probably won't be offered in the UK
(http://images.thecarconnection.com/hug/volkswagen-golf-gti-wolfsburg-edition-at-wrthersee-2014_100468470_h.jpg)
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I was hoping the exterior would be more like last year's Wolfsburg Edition which was quite subtle outside (ignoring the Corsa stripes) but the Clubsport interior looks cool if those are the standard seats (yeah, right!) rather than a option we probably won't be offered in the UK
(http://images.thecarconnection.com/hug/volkswagen-golf-gti-wolfsburg-edition-at-wrthersee-2014_100468470_h.jpg)
I see no reason why the golf shouldnt be offered with bucket seats, yes theyre supposed to be more grown up than their siblings but its not like the options are there to VW...
(http://www.parkers.co.uk/Images/PageFiles/160182/027SEATLEONCUPRAST.jpg)
(https://photos-0.carwow.co.uk/blog/1600/2ee687c16f6dfc99e6ef87cb9e68928bbd5a55c4.jpg)
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The Scirocco R can still be ordered with buckets I think Graham.
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Really loving the look of this...... :laugh: :cool:
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Hm, not really doing it for me... It looks like they've changed the styling just because they had to...
The interior is nice and those bucket seats are gorgeous, I'd have them over standard any day. The name "Clubsport" sounds terrible though...makes me think of those "Chicken Club Sandwiches" you can but at your local supermarket for some reason? Haha. The fact they've put it on the side of the car is even worse. Should have stuck with simply "GTI Edition 40" The rear windows look too tinted compared to the fronts.
It's not as special as the MK5 Edition 30 was over the standard GTI in my opinion.
Pricing will be a huge issue. I suppose it will depend how tuneable this car turns out to be compared to the GTI but I'm guessing they share the same EA888 as the standard car so chances are not very..
One thing that made the Edition 30 stand out was how much potential the engine and K04 turbo charger had over standard.
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I think it will be running the Golf R engine in de-tuned guise. Volkswagen wont develop a totally new engine and turbo configuration just for one model. :smiley:
The alloy wheels look like production versions to me 19"? :laugh:
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The Scirocco R can still be ordered with buckets I think Graham.
In that case we shall take 2 seats please :smiley:
Savage: Its the Cupra guise R engine, so tuning is same as them, same as ko3 to ko4 was back in the mk5 days in theory
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Yes, the Cupra maps to the same as the R so it follows the traditional route of the last couple generations, it's just factory mapping that differs.
I dread to think how well the VAQ and FWD would cope with 360 angry horses though.
"Fun" I guess!!!!
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Yes, the Cupra maps to the same as the R so it follows the traditional route of the last couple generations, it's just factory mapping that differs.
I dread to think how well the VAQ and FWD would cope with 360 angry horses though.
"Fun" I guess!!!!
And therein lies my ultimate problem and the final reason as to why, no matter how much id like a 'special' VW car, I will probably just get a boggo AWD drive one next, cos lets face it, im going to map it and I can honestly say that any numbers higher than a stg 2 gti are pointless, its a sad reality but true - in a fwd car in england
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Yes, the Cupra maps to the same as the R so it follows the traditional route of the last couple generations, it's just factory mapping that differs.
I dread to think how well the VAQ and FWD would cope with 360 angry horses though.
"Fun" I guess!!!!
The limited slip differential (which I'm guessing this has as standard) should beable to handle those 360 horses. It would just struggle off the line if you're not gentle.
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Yes, the Cupra maps to the same as the R so it follows the traditional route of the last couple generations, it's just factory mapping that differs.
I dread to think how well the VAQ and FWD would cope with 360 angry horses though.
"Fun" I guess!!!!
The limited slip differential (which I'm guessing this has as standard) should beable to handle those 360 horses. It would just struggle off the line if you're not gentle.
In the dry I would say the Edition 40 with VAQ would be more fun than the standard Golf R??? :smiley:
Lets hope Volkswagen give the Edition 40 the lowered Golf suspension setup too. :)
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I'll be shot down in flames for this comment but yes the Edition 40 would be more fun than the R and the R420 probably too. Those cars are very fast but AWD does make the experience a little "dull" as the car just copes with everything. The R's have always been very efficient and capable cars.
Graham;
Yes you're completely right. We get so much rain and poor road surfaces here in England that you get to the point where the power output for a FWD is just too much, no matter how good the diff/driving aids are.
That's why I went for the R, might sacrifice a little fun but can make some serious power once you go down the modding route :)
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I'll be shot down in flames for this comment but yes the Edition 40 would be more fun than the R and the R420 probably too. Those cars are very fast but AWD does make the experience a little "dull" as the car just copes with everything. The R's have always been very efficient and capable cars.
Graham;
Yes you're completely right. We get so much rain and poor road surfaces here in England that you get to the point where the power output for a FWD is just too much, no matter how good the diff/driving aids are.
That's why I went for the R, might sacrifice a little fun but can make some serious power once you go down the modding route :)
regarding poor road surfaces, in my search for an AWD car to replace what has been the best car ive ever owned, i briefly looked at the TTS, which you can now get with 20" wheels!! I know thats old news for like S6's etc, but still how crashy is that going to be anywhere but a toll road! That plus the fact thats its an extra 5k over the S3 Saloon soon left it falling by the way side
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That just doesn't do anything for me at all. Doesn't look particularly special and the new front looks a bit odd.
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I like the gloss side skirts and the front bumper, i think the rear spoiler is a bit too tall making it look like a shopping trolley but not a bad effort with a few tweaks imo. :cool:
Some decent stuff on display this year. 8)
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I love the seats... It's cool
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It looks ok, I'd have one! Not mad keen on the black Clubsport banner down the sides though. Screams 'Halfords' to me. Still, the added bhp is what the GTI should have had in the first place!
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From some of the pictures ive seen...the headlights look to have the double "U" in them.
For me major question is.....Tuned up GTI engine or De-Tuned R engine..?
It would need to be a detuned R engine with PP standard with some nice seats.
Im not to keen on the side stickers.
Ken
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Does anyone know when this will be ready to order and is it limited edition , will you be able to achieve discount on a special edition ?
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I think it's definitely a golf r lump,because in this link below it shows extra rads in the bumper which the gti doesn't have.
http://youtu.be/SxxwC4tYUpI
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I think it's definitely a golf r lump,because in this link below it shows extra rads in the bumper which the gti doesn't have.
http://youtu.be/SxxwC4tYUpI
The car also appears to be missing front fogs, with cooling ducts in their place, same as the R.
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Fair point on the extra rads/coolers.....also some of the pictures show the rear light clusters looking like the darker R units.
Ken
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So basically it's a detuned R badges as a GTI lol
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On a pricing point, I saw on autocars coverage earlier today, they stated prices to start at 27500? now this struck me as normal gti money? Surely this can't be right?
Also, how close would it have to be to R pricing for people to think about getting a more powerful, more capable car? over a special edition?
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On a pricing point, I saw on autocars coverage earlier today, they stated prices to start at 27500? now this struck me as normal gti money? Surely this can't be right?
Also, how close would it have to be to R pricing for people to think about getting a more powerful, more capable car? over a special edition?
£27500? That does seem cheap. In "Boost" mode, that ED40 kicking out 280PS should be almost as quick as an R when moving as it's not lugging around 120Kg for the 4Motion system, you don't get the sureity of the 4WD system and the extra stand-still gains (0-62), but you do get the kind of seats I had always thought the GTI, GTD and R should have had access to on the options list if not standard. This is what the GTI should've been in the first place to put it above its Focus, Astra and Megane peers on the figures front.
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I like the look of it, Leon Cupra engine presumably?
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Having read the german motortalk.de site, the power will very close to the Golf R's 300ps output.....
265ps and 291ps with over-boost, so more than the Cupra 280 :cool:
I agree that it sounds like a Golf R but without the Haldex and de-tuned engine.... thats not a bad thing. Just hope Volkswagen stick with this spec for the actual model next year and make it available in 5 door guise. :laugh:
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its like groundhog day on this thread. YES its the Cupra 265 engine!!!!! lol
Anyway, just saw a comment that I hadnt thought of but is quite interesting. When this is released, and as some photos suggest it may have the double U in the DRL's, then we will be able to buy an oem part for the double U and keep the red line instead of having to go blue, just food for thought
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For me this is more Clubsport, decent stoppers some light weight ATS racelights
(http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo261/wigit71/Golf%20R/11009901_1077040115658705_9139986740863968987_o_zpsb8vvm49f.jpg)
(http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo261/wigit71/Golf%20R/11020728_1077040205658696_1848590005187111897_o_zpsxx3ekg4b.jpg)
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For me this is more Clubsport, decent stoppers some light weight ATS racelights
Yep, you're not wrong there.
Front bumper has more subtle styling to boot (under the show car paint job).
And a return of the wheel arch spats in homage to the real GTI's too.
Those YTS Worthersee cars are far better than some of the full production models.
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I think they should put the young guns in terms of product development, some are pure show, but this in carbon with red highlights and a slight tone down inside yes please
http://www.caranddriver.com/photo-gallery/dark-shine-good-practice-vw-apprentices-build-rad-395-hp-gti-dark-shine-concept#29
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I was passing the delaers today.....they have a slightly different version of whats going on to how I understood it.
Apparently the "Clubsport" will be making production this year, to be offical at Frankfurt Motor Show...then followed by the ED40 at some point later.
Im unsure if this is based on any actual fact.....but to be fair this particular salesman is normally spot on with his info.
Ken
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Why would VW release two ltd edition cars (clubsport and edition 40) in to an already crowded product range. The Clubsport must be the Edition 40 surely?
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Why would VW release two ltd edition cars (clubsport and edition 40) in to an already crowded product range. The Clubsport must be the Edition 40 surely?
Thinking the same, it just wouldn't make sense. It'll be hard enough pricing the ED40 between the R and GTI, never mind a seperate Clubsport model :huh:
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Why would VW release two ltd edition cars (clubsport and edition 40) in to an already crowded product range. The Clubsport must be the Edition 40 surely?
Thinking the same, it just wouldn't make sense. It'll be hard enough pricing the ED40 between the R and GTI, never mind a seperate Clubsport model :huh:
Then dropping in an R400 just to completely muddy the waters. Overkill!
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I totally agree.....Id expect just the ED40 to appear in reality....
Like I said im unsure if it was based on any fact...LOL
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Come to think of it, when I bought my GTI, back when it was first launched a couple years ago. There was quite a lot of wild speculation being put forward by the dealers, which in the end did not become reality. One of these claims was CarNET. Which I later found out after owning the car was not available in the UK.
Like others have said I suspect the Clubsport is in reality going to be called the Edition 40. Also even though I hope the Bucket Seats make it through to production, I have this feeling they will use the current regular seats. I can remember seeing custom seat designs and sporty interiors for the Edition 35 which never made it through to production. Am I right in saying they just supplied the regular seats clad in leather as standard? On this count I hope I am wrong about the bucket seats, as it would be great to see the Bucket Seats make it to the GTI for once.
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Come to think of it, when I bought my GTI, back when it was first launched a couple years ago. There was quite a lot of wild speculation being put forward by the dealers, which in the end did not become reality. One of these claims was CarNET. Which I later found out after owning the car was not available in the UK.
Like others have said I suspect the Clubsport is in reality going to be called the Edition 40. Also even though I hope the Bucket Seats make it through to production, I have this feeling they will use the current regular seats. I can remember seeing custom seat designs and sporty interiors for the Edition 35 which never made it through to production. Am I right in saying they just supplied the regular seats clad in leather as standard? On this count I hope I am wrong about the bucket seats, as it would be great to see the Bucket Seats make it to the GTI for once.
I suspect you may be right, and that whatever finally makes it into production as the ED40 will be a watered down version. It's seems to be the VW way and is a shame. I wish for once they would stick their necks out and actually produce something a little purer, less pedestrian. I love the bucket seats and it's mad they are not an option on a GTI/R. Live in hope for their appearance in the ED40/Clubsport and R400/420.
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I really like it, but as Wigit says that Dark Shine co crepe looks the part.
Was it September that the R400 is supposed to be launched, surprised there was no mention of that at Worthersee or has everything already been said perhaps?
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Here is VW's blurb from Worthersee: http://gti-woerthersee-en.tumblr.com/#118942852915
"The Golf GTI CLubsport will be available as serial version from 2016 – just in time for the 40th anniversary of the Golf GTI".
So does that read it will be there in time for the 40th edition or is the 40th edition?
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Here is VW's blurb from Worthersee: http://gti-woerthersee-en.tumblr.com/#118942852915
"The Golf GTI CLubsport will be available as serial version from 2016 – just in time for the 40th anniversary of the Golf GTI".
So does that read it will be there in time for the 40th edition or is the 40th edition?
Serial version? Another way of saying 'Limited edition'?
To me that reads as the GTI Clubsport is the 40th Edition but who really knows, probably not even VW.
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Is it me or does the front on pic of the clubsport on the link below show the GTI Clubsport with only the single DRL lights, same as the current GTI headlight unit.
http://gti-woerthersee-en.tumblr.com/#118942852915
I have mixed feelings about the looks of the clubsport looking at the pics from the link above. The spoiler from side profile looks good with the way it wraps up from the roof and boot smoothly. The black accents on the spoiler and black roof are also OK? but unsure if the amount of black accents on the car overall is a bit overkill for a white car. They kinda look like they are third party bolt on parts stuck on as an after thought in certain areas. The main bit I am concerned about is the black strip along the sides of the doors with Clubsport logo on them. This is ruining the overall appearance of the car. The rest of the elements would look far better and as if they were mean't to be on the car if the black strip was not there. I am feeling the black elements may not do the Oryx White paint job justice.
I am also unsure if the wheels are as good as the current wheels on offer. The santiagos and Austins may look a bit classier? However like the Golf R the car may look much better in the flesh than it does in photos.
I am still toying with the idea of having one, but need to see prices and part ex for my car as to whether I get a Golf Clubsport or even if I could afford a Golf R400?
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I have e mailed vw UK and asked them to clarify .... Will let you know what they say
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:grin: You honestly don't expect an answer that will clarify things do you?
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Of course not but will humour the forum when I post the reply 😄
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had another thought the other day, getting few and far between admittedly so I listen to them when they happen... Is the ED40 not going to be a FL model? So, surely the light clusters back and front are likely to change anyway, so what were seeing now isnt going to be the finished product?
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I have also just thought that if the fog lights are omitted on the edition 40 in lieu of having Air intake ducts the front light units at the very least will have to be changed to something like the Golf R so the fogs are within the unit instead.
Hopefully they change the design with the black line down the side of the Golf GTI club sport design. It just doesn't look as premium as the regular GTI design. It's very much a case of less is more with GTI's which it seems they have not taken on board when designing the club sport.
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Interesting thoughts about a face-lift. Will VW bother with a facelift or will the mk8 essentially be a facelift MQB car? I'm wondering if the mk8 will be like the mk6 and just a facelift previous generation model. Who knows?!!
As for the black stripe - this is to pay homage to the mk1 and mk2 which had the lower door stripe and often features on the Worthersee models. An awful lot of GTI's at Worthersee are classic GTI owners so I expect the stripes go down well with them but would unlikely be used on a production model unless feedback was overwhelmingly positive from their customer panels they use.
The one thing that makes me take note is the way the lower bumper is styled more like the Polo GTI in the direction of the upright painted bits. On the current Golf GTI it still goes in the mk5 and mk6 direction making a V or a Beetle Bonnet shape but the Clubsport has the uprights in the opposite direction like the R and Polo GTI. I prefer the former as it looks a bit prettier.
As the bumper strakes on the GTI ape the R8 strakes, and the facelift R8 has a different lower bumper style I'd guess the GTI might follow the trend. It's funny how the various VAG models borrow bits of styling - the biggest one for me was how much VW toned down the IROC front end before Scirocco production and then the current sporty Audis all stole the IROC front end with the big prominent diamond shape.
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I have also just thought that if the fog lights are omitted on the edition 40 in lieu of having Air intake ducts the front light units at the very least will have to be changed to something like the Golf R so the fogs are within the unit instead.
Hopefully they change the design with the black line down the side of the Golf GTI club sport design. It just doesn't look as premium as the regular GTI design. It's very much a case of less is more with GTI's which it seems they have not taken on board when designing the club sport.
Golf R doesn't have fogs at all and tbh with xenons they're fairly useless anyway imo.
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I have also just thought that if the fog lights are omitted on the edition 40 in lieu of having Air intake ducts the front light units at the very least will have to be changed to something like the Golf R so the fogs are within the unit instead.
Hopefully they change the design with the black line down the side of the Golf GTI club sport design. It just doesn't look as premium as the regular GTI design. It's very much a case of less is more with GTI's which it seems they have not taken on board when designing the club sport.
Golf R doesn't have fogs at all and tbh with xenons they're fairly useless anyway imo.
Indeed. They're only present on the GTI/D because those models come with halogens in most markets. They do have their uses for lighting up the verges on winding roads but are mainly a styling thing. A grey GTD passed me yesterday in bright sunlight with its fogs on. Enough said.
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I do think it'd be worth seeing if the front splitter will fit a normal GTI though, it would finish the front off perfectly on the standard bumper.
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:grin: You honestly don't expect an answer that will clarify things do you?
Had a phone call from a very nice lady from VW uk today. Quite impressed that she took the time to phone me. Anyway she did tell me what she knew about the Edition 40. She also told me about what she knew about the launch date and the number of cars being built. She also said she had discussed with all her colleagues in the VW uk office.
Her answer .... no idea :smiley:
But she did offer some helpful advice :wink: Keep checking the VW website :smiley: quality !!
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Just been catching up, do I want one - I will have to wait and see when VW provide details of final cost and spec. I hope the interior makes it. I do think that the Spoiler is a bit shopping trolley ish but I thought they may have gone for some lightweight rims as opposed to the diamond cut ones that look a bit R line to me.
speaking of R Line - did anyone see the R Line Colour Concept
http://gti-woerthersee-en.tumblr.com/#119102848990
havent seen a colour concept since the limited MK3 run.
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i strangely like that...
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i strangely like that...
Full R spec, lowered suspension and rear spacers are helping that look. Crafty f*ckers at VW!
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Interesting thoughts about a face-lift. Will VW bother with a facelift or will the mk8 essentially be a facelift MQB car? I'm wondering if the mk8 will be like the mk6 and just a facelift previous generation model. Who knows?!!
I'm sure I read somewhere a while back that VAG were aiming for this way of doing things from now on - a "completely new" model every 5 years, which reading between the lines is their way of saying the MK7's facelift will be called the MK8, and we'll only see a big jump in tech and bodystyles every 2 generations. Would certainly fit with our current expectations of the MK8 hitting the dealerships in 2017 - it wouldn't be worth facelifting the MK7 with the MK8 only 2 years away.
The MK6 was a facelift in all but name - a new steering wheel, very slightly updated door cards and dash, very minor external changes (which were not to my taste - it all went a bit Japanese looking and lost the aggressive look that the performance front end of the MK5 had) - and the all important money saving building techniques.
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Agree MH but it also got an engine upgrade that lead us to our current pride and joys, rather important step imo
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Pretty poxy youtube vid from Worthersee:
http://youtu.be/4kqw0ppmwz4
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Interesting, with the bucket seats, can you not have a centre arm rest?
Dave
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Apparently you can have a centre arm rest with bucket seats, just google Golf R400 and look for the pics of the Bucket Seats/interior of the Golf R400. You will see it has the same seats, but different upholstery of course. Except with the R400 Bucket Seats in the pic you will also see the Centre Arm Rest.
I feel the GTI Club Sport in the video looked a lot better than it did in the initial images. The Bucket Seats look great and should be an option if not standard on the GTI. But must agree the video is shockingly bad. Does the guy filming have some kind of problem holding the camera upright, he keeps tilting it to the side. If it went on too long it could make you feel ill. :smiley:
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Apparently you can have a centre arm rest with bucket seats, just google Golf R400 and look for the pics of the Bucket Seats/interior of the Golf R400. You will see it has the same seats, but different upholstery of course. Except with the R400 Bucket Seats in the pic you will also see the Centre Arm Rest.
I feel the GTI Club Sport in the video looked a lot better than it did in the initial images. The Bucket Seats look great and should be an option if not standard on the GTI. But must agree the video is shockingly bad. Does the guy filming have some kind of problem holding the camera upright, he keeps tilting it to the side. If it went on too long it could make you feel ill. :smiley:
He'd probably been indulging in the local beer too much.
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If he was indulging in the local beer, the camera would never be upright during the filming. Everything would be filmed from ground level :smiley: