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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: DougL on 14 March 2015, 23:03
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https://youtu.be/oCKdvx1i-jQ
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That's pretty cool
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Will be interesting to see how much and what the quality is like of the screen graphics. Screen is still too small for me though.
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Its showing at £699 RRP plus £150 fitting price.. on the 'Advanced in-car technologies' website which did the Youtube video linked above.
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I saw a poster advertising this yesterday in my VW dealer while my car was being serviced - I think the price quoted was £599, but I didn't read it closely enough to see whether fitting was included.
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Here it is in action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Co7I5NPDqU
The graphics at first look a little retro, but the more I watched that video, the more I thought the things it was showing me were good and better than the Nav Pro in many respects. Nav is not really about photo realistic video game technology and just something that very clearly shows me where to drive and I think this is really nice.
Would have been nicer to have had a bigger screen though, but not really. Wasn't too clear if the unit had an external GPS aerial, although I guess it must have somehow?
With an installed price around the same as standard VW Nav, I guess the only real purpose is for those who didn't order it to start with.
I actually find VW's attitude towards not allowing (through software coding) retro fit of easily retro fit items somewhat galling. Its my car at the end of the day, not theirs.
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Fred, that video was uploaded in January and is not the Kenwood/Garmin version... that should be much better. You can see standard Garmin-style Navigation on the box if you look closely at the original video.
The modules also look very different from the Garmin ones
http://www.advanced-incar.co.uk/volkswagen-retrofits/vw-golf-mk7-navigation-retrofit-upgrade#
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It does look a good setup, a couple of things I'd need answering first would be...
Can you listen to the stereo (radio, cd or media input) and have the satnav running as well?
Is it compatible with the standard rear view camera/dynaudio/etc?
Also, given as it's the same price as the standard Nav setup, it has limited it's market somewhat to people who made a mistake not speccing it as OEM (like me)
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I had a play with the new Kenwood/Garmin mk7 retrofit whilst having my car serviced yesterday, very neat kit and even comes with a new OE button for the head unit to replace the standard 'media' button with one marked 'media/nav' :smiley:
£599 fitted at any VW dealer, takes 40 mins apparently...
http://www.windrush.co.uk/parts/offers.htm
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At that price a good bargaining tool if you're buying a secondhand Mk7 with the basic Composition Media from a dealer
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At that price, who'd factory order the basic Nav? Saving £750 and the ability to have it taken out and used on your next car or sold on for a likely £50 reinstall cost (if it's only 40 mins labour) to get a fair chunk of your money back. You'll be lucky if the standard factory fit system enhances your GFV by £150 3 years down the line.
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At that price, who'd factory order the basic Nav? Saving £750 and the ability to have it taken out and used on your next car or sold on for a likely £50 reinstall cost (if it's only 40 mins labour) to get a fair chunk of your money back. You'll be lucky if the standard factory fit system enhances your GFV by £150 3 years down the line.
I'd have to agree completely! Definitely wouldn't spec DNS nav given this alternative as it feels and looks much faster and slicker than the VW offering..
Will be great for the used market too imo, assuming the golden rule of retail applies (double your money) then the dealers may be into it for £300-£350 cost price? And I'd definitely be pushing for one fitted FOC to seal the deal on a used car...
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Link to video demo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CebkJM2Ex0Y
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It does look good but when you are in Nav mode am I correct in saying that as your not in radio mode,you can't listen to the radio.This would annoy me.If you can still listen to the radio and have the sat nav on at the same time with the sat Nav voice then I would be interested.Does this make sence?
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I think whatever is playing beneath the navigation continues to play. You aren't pressing the media button to change to media source, you are long pressing to change the screen source. The commands are sent to the RHS driver's speaker, the others will continue playing as normal AFAIK.
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if that's the case I quite like it.Probably stick to the "waze" app on iPhone though for free for the rare times I need sat nav.
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I use the Nokia Here drive at the present time on my phone which is free, and have found it useful when driving to Spain/France/Germany etc. One thing I always found handy with the Garmins navs i have used in the past, is if you visited a random town abroad, you just zoom out, look for a car park symbol or petrol station and click on it and it give directions to it. The Nokia Here drive shows all these features like cash points too but you have to just try to look at the screen and drive to them which isn't easy in a foreign country. So i possibly would pay £599 for this add feature and the intergration
GVN-MIB1 system for my VW 2014 Golf http://www.kenwood-electronics.co.uk/car/oem/vw/GVN-MIB1/?view
Interested in how this all works after seeing this tread I contacted VW today to see what the price is, and they also will fit for £599 inc vat. but when i asked about updating maps in the future and TMC traffic system whether it is a subscription service or is this free, (as it says Built-in Traffic Data Ready) they said to contact Garmin. I contacted Garmin and they told me to contact Kenwood as it will be through Kenwood service. Couldn't find a phone number on Kenwood site so emailed and awaiting a response. :rolleyes:
The Nokia Here Drive service is free, the maps are downloaded so no data is used and the maps are updated a couple of times a year I think, and it has traffic service if you want to use data. Will wait to see what they come back with.
At that price, who'd factory order the basic Nav? Saving £750 and the ability to have it taken out and used on your next car or sold on for a likely £50 reinstall cost (if it's only 40 mins labour) to get a fair chunk of your money back. You'll be lucky if the standard factory fit system enhances your GFV by £150 3 years down the line.
Im not sure the basic Nav system is £1500? if you are looking at a saving of £750
I thought it was only about £750 for the Basic from the factory
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Reply from Kenwood
Thank you for your email
1: How much it will cost to update the maps each time (yearly for example) via the SD card slot.
Current cost on the Garmin website is £49.99
2: Can I buy a lifetime subscription
Sorry no this is a Garmin feature not given to this product
3: Will the Built-in TMC traffic system be a subscription service or is this free?
The TMC is a free lifetime service which is activated via the Garmin website and on screen instructions
Any other info required please ask
Kind regards
So it looks like you would likely buy the map updates approx every 2 years to cover changes to road networks at a cost of £49.99 each time (at the current cost). Not sure what the current system/service is for factory fitted nav
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The Discover Nav/Pro Nav units get free twice yearly updates for at least 3 years - although this has recently changed to 5 years, apparently.
They aren't really free though, as they presumably have been costed into the initial purchase price of the Nav system.
Where this Kenwood unit is likely to be bought is if it was missed off an order for a new car, or a car was bought from stock/used with no nav - the cost is pretty similar to the official VW system, taking into account the cost of updates etc.
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Do roads actually change that much?
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Do roads actually change that much?
Yes!
And always when you are somewhere where you are depending on Nav!
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I would still order the nav pro as the screen is bigger but that's just me :whistle:
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I would too if i could have justified £1700 for it.
But think i will stick with my phone that I have used for the last 12 months. Found a way to get directions to the petrol stations and parking that I have long since given up on trying to get directions to, so now can't even justify the £599 plus updates. Tight i know :whistle:
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Was one of the first options I picked. I just think the big screen finishes the look off rather nicely where the small ones look like a bit of an after thought.
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Do roads actually change that much?
Yes!
And always when you are somewhere where you are depending on Nav!
Lol - I must be lucky then - still have no problem with my 10 year old Tomtom Go 300.....
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Do roads actually change that much?
Yes!
And always when you are somewhere where you are depending on Nav!
Lol - I must be lucky then - still have no problem with my 10 year old Tomtom Go 300.....
I've been in a proper pickle in several places with crappy out of date maps - usually somewhere really tricky, like Germany or France when I haven't got a clue or a paper map that has anything like enough detail either.
Having said that, I got lost in Germany last year, in my Mk7, after a recent map update...
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Looks like a clever upgrade, albeit a steep price compared to a standalone unit or an iPhone with Waze.
Here's a link with all the details, should answer most queries.
http://www.lookers.co.uk/upload/files/Kenwood%20MIB%20-%20Features%20and%20Benefits.pdf (http://www.lookers.co.uk/upload/files/Kenwood%20MIB%20-%20Features%20and%20Benefits.pdf)
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Does it provide directions in the MFD like the OEM set-up?
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From what I've read elsewhere, no.
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It looks like there isn't an option to get it up on the MFD unless someone works out the coding via VCDS.
I could get the DAB station info up on my old mk6 using an add on system so there must be a possibility there.
The nav looks a lot better than the standard factory graphics and this system would be a good option if leasing or buying a used car with no nav.
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So it looks like I will be the first to try this here. The unit is sitting on my kitchen floor...
I'm going to fit it myself. Retail for the unit only is £545. Negotiate your own discount... ;)
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Fitted this in the morning. The instructions look great but are dire. Several screw locations are missing for removing the glove box and the instructions for setting the dip switches are completely erroneous. For example the dip switches let you have the option for the Polo or Golf screens, a reverse camera and nav instructions via left, right or both speakers. The GTi needs the reverse camera dip enabled as it has a park pilot screen....
I like the unit very much. It works very like a high end Garmin unit and is much better than the standard navigation ( I have an Octavia 3 with an Amundsen system which is MIB). Will update as I use it more.
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DougL can you confirm that you can still listen to the radio whilst in nav mode.
I am assuming that you got some discount on this,what would one expect to achieve discount wise ?
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From this document http://www.lookers.co.uk/upload/files/Kenwood%20MIB%20-%20Features%20and%20Benefits.pdf (http://www.lookers.co.uk/upload/files/Kenwood%20MIB%20-%20Features%20and%20Benefits.pdf)
It says you can still listen to any media whilst navigating (see page 2 / 3rd para)
Ken
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Thanks Ken.I might start dropping hints at home on this,see what mood she's in.
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From this document http://www.lookers.co.uk/upload/files/Kenwood%20MIB%20-%20Features%20and%20Benefits.pdf (http://www.lookers.co.uk/upload/files/Kenwood%20MIB%20-%20Features%20and%20Benefits.pdf)
It says you can still listen to any media whilst navigating (see page 2 / 3rd para)
Ken
There are a few youtube clips showing this unit and the media still plays with the voice just coming out over the top (through one speaker).
The only slight downside is that the DIS view won't work but it's no big deal really.
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The voice can be set to come out of either front speaker or both by means of a dip switch. I've also just ordered a reversing camera from ebay that fits in the number plate light recess to see how that works.
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What does this unit consist of - presumably a replacement for the item inside the glovebox - no new screen?
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What does this unit consist of - presumably a replacement for the item inside the glovebox - no new screen?
It's in addition to the bit in the glovebox and it goes above the glovebox out of sight. No new screen.
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Thanks for that....Are there any pictures of the actual hardware around?
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Yes you can see all the units in the video at the start to this thread.
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Thanks Doug - totally missed that! :rolleyes:
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Im also looking for a satnav in my Golf as well but not sure which is the best one to go for.
I have asked several places including my local vw and they are willing to fit it but some of them are asking for £699 which i think is quite high really.
I actually found a place where they claim to fit a genuine vw Discovery Media pro but the price is doubled...£1400 and i will to travel for 2 hours to get there then 2 hours back lol.
So guys which one would you recommend?
Has anyone managed to update their unit via SD card? If so how does the IMG file looks like? Does the file needs to be unlocked via some sort of key?
Thank you lots for any help.
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Just to let you guys know that I have got Kenwood GVN60 fitted and it works fine.
It was fitted by my local VW garage and gave them a SD Card extender which fit in the satnav module and then secure by a piece of velcro in my glove box. The satnav itself is hidden away behind the glovesbox so there are wires anywhere to be seen.
The TMC is free for Life which is great but a bit hit & miss with coverage.
I have also managed to update my maps (2017) via SD Card including adding speed cameras as POI.
Anyone knows how I can improve my TMC signal? The FM antenna is tucked around the A frame of the car.
Any suggestion please?
Thank you all.
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I thought the FM antenna was in the rear window?
If not, maybe it actually has two antennae - the older golfs did I believe and had two connectors which it dynamically swapped between to get the best signal.
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No mate, the antenna is short and wont reach the rear window :sad:
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Do you think if i splice open the cable and secure it to the chassis of the car will help? Thanks
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No mate, the antenna is short and wont reach the rear window :sad:
No, I meant that the mk7's fm antenna is in the heated rear screen... The antenna cable behind the dash runs to there.
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Ahhh I see what you mean now - the Kenwood has two antenna feeds - you've got the radio one hooked up and they provide a seperate aerial you fit round the door frame for TMC.
I bit of google suggests that the reception is poor though just as you describe.
Seems the answer is to get a Kenwood aerial splitter and connect both aerial connections to the actual in car FM aerial which is as I say the heated rear screen.
Give that a whirl.
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Hi Fedgroves,
I think I will do just that, but can you please help me with this?
Which one is the FM port and where do you think I can one?
https://ibb.co/jR9A5a (https://ibb.co/jR9A5a)
https://ibb.co/ik4MBF (https://ibb.co/ik4MBF)
I am a bit confused as well if i need a ken wood splitter or do i need one that will split the VW antenna?
Sorry too many questions mate.
Or is it easy enough if connect the actual TMC cable to the original VW FM antenna?
Thanks
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Hmmm have a read of this thread:
http://www.uk-polos.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67623&start=30
Apparently there is also an aerial booster to fix the TMC problem. It comes from Kenwood but they won't supply it unless you have a problem. Either call the supplying dealer or Kenwood I suggest.
The whole thing sounds like an utter pain in the backside I have to say :(
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There's a used Golf R I'm really interested in but I checked the pictures and there was one of the navigation screen that looked like the kenwood/garmin nav upgrade. It's really put me off the car, visually it looks quite bad compared to the normal VW one and it doesn't show up on the MFD. In my current car (Audi A3) I tend to look at the MFD more than the navigation screen. Is it better than the VW navigation?
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I agree, the MFD is the bit of Nav I use the most.
The Kenwood one was worse than MIB1 and by the time you get to MIB2 or 3 its positively retro.
You'd be better off really spending a lot less than 600 quid on a decent non-integrated TomTom really.
I guess the only advantage is being able to hear the sound over any music you have playing.
The real crying shame is that VW refuse to let you retro fit OEM Nav units to their cars :(
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I am wondering why this car has it. Didn't all MIB2 Golf R's come with Nav standard? It also has Dynaudio so it seems strange that it has this Kenwood nav instead of the normal one.
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I thought in 2016 all 7R's had basic nav as standard. I don't think there was a period where CMS was standard.
Does the car in question have the sharkfin on the roof?
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No it doesn't. Its a 15 plate car that was registered in August 2015 so just before 65 plates.
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Ahhh so just before nav was standard
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Contacted Kenwood since the day you mentioned thebooster and today and they have agree to send me that booster for free. Now I just need to figure out how to install that bloody thing.
Any ideas anyone?
Thanks
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Probably comes with instructions but will go in between the aerial cable from the tmc antenna and the unit itself.
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Folks, does anyone have a copy of the instructions to install this in a Mk7? Instructions on Briskoda for a Fabia refer to "dip switch settings", are these covered on the VW instructions?
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Hi, just looked at fitting instructions and there is no mention of dip switch settings, only referring to connection of GPS antenna,FM antenna,Nav I/f terminal and Black,red and yellow connections.
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Just found info about dip switch settings on Kenwood web site,this is the link:- http://www.kenwood-electronics.co.uk/files/file/car/uk/Volkswagen-MK7-Golf-instructions.pdf
I think this has all the info.
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Sorry to be the guy who jumps in as a first poster to help solve a problem they have but....
Bought my car from a dealer in July and they fitted the Kenwood/Garmin Nav Upgrade for me. As part of the deal they promised to update the maps but said it was a bit of a mare as they had to remove the glovebox to do it and we could catch it when it came in for its service.
Took it in yesterday and just had a phone call from the guy that sold me the car. They are denying that there are any updates available and the software is up to date. Since the maps were last updated in 2014 according to the sat nav I’m calling bullsh!t on that.
Which software is it actually that needs updating, Ive heard GVN60 banded about. Is it GVN60 map software on an SD card it needs?
Cheers
Ollie
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Quick bit of research dug up this, not sure if it helps?
https://www.advanced-incar.co.uk/products/volkswagen-retrofits/vw-garmin-nav-upgrade-for-composition-media/
"Updateable navigation maps (Via Garmin Website)
Due to the physical restraints we can supply a USB Card Extender for an additional £25. This means you can update your maps etc without the need to remove your glovebox each time (Which is a pain in the backside). Please make us aware if you need this prior to purchase."
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Thanks, that confirms that there are updates, which they claim there aren’t! A SD extender into the glovebox sounds like a great idea.