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General => General discussion => Topic started by: viperjsy on 26 December 2013, 19:59
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hi what is the point of stretch tyres and are thay safe
youtube vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_egDGUIpj4
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iv seen this video discussed on another forum and it was concluded that the most probably cause of the failure was not because of the stretch but because of the speed at which it was travelling, you can quite clearly see the tyre stretching (getting narrower) due to the speed and the fact he lifts off rather sharply which causes the car too dip and overload they tyre and it went boom
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The car was pushed to this point to see the limits.
I think the tyre rating was W. So 180mph I believe. The wheels where at 220+
Knowing that you cant say it failed because of the stretch.
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Remind me to never do 223 in my golf :rolleyes:
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hi what is the point of stretch tyres and are thay safe
youtube vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_egDGUIpj4
Talk about opening a can of worms :grin:
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Running on the rollers will add extra load and friction.
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Stretch will reduce the top end characteristics of a tyre compared to same tyre that is fitted to a wheel of the correct size, but in either case, it would be well beyond the legal driving limit, so therefore irrelevant
And yes, a can of Worms
Thom
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Stretch is ok to a certain extent, but these scene queens running stupid stretch are just downright f**king dangerous and should have their licences revoked! I've seen it on another forum where a guy had them fail twice! Once was a pretty big sidewall blowout, and then about a month later the bead pulled off due to under inflation. Both times he was lucky, but would the Police see it as just unlucky if it had caused an accident, or would you see it as just unlucky if you had killed a young kid. I'll just leave that one out there for you all to ponder.............................
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I had stretched tyres and did lots of miles no problem 195/45/15 on 9j and 185/45/15 on 8j with no problems except a hard ride :laugh:
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Then you're one of the bellends I was talking about.
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223mph mk3 Golf...yeah right, maybe on the rollers but never out on the road.
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Well with them on for 6 months and the 1000's of miles I did doing journeys of a 300 miles most weekends I had not one problem I didn't even stretch that much don't really see the problem with them just some people want to believe there dangerous one story out of thousands and thousands and there not safe its all down to if you want them or not I know loads of people with stretch not one problem just because 1 guy had 1 problem now there not safe.
So no I'm not one of them bellends I drive my car as safe as you do does that make you a bell end?
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Yeah, pretty much - stretch tyres make you a bellend :D
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:grin: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Well with them on for 6 months and the 1000's of miles I did doing journeys of a 300 miles most weekends I had not one problem I didn't even stretch that much don't really see the problem with them just some people want to believe there dangerous one story out of thousands and thousands and there not safe its all down to if you want them or not I know loads of people with stretch not one problem just because 1 guy had 1 problem now there not safe.
So no I'm not one of them bellends I drive my car as safe as you do does that make you a bell end?
No it doesn't, as I'm not running tyres out of manufacturer stated tolerances, therefore not being dangerous, and not voiding my insurance which you also seem to be forgetting.
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If its so bad why is it legal???
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If you are running outside of manufacturer's tolerances then it is illegal.
Just because you (and any of the other bell ends using extreme stretch) haven't been caught yet doesn't make it legal :)
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Well I have seen many police cars and not been pulled also there is no law on stretch tyres there are only guidelines that's not a law that's like saying don't fit different wheels on your car because that's not how the car came so it's "illegal".
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I love it when pensioners use words like bellend I find it hilarious ,makes them sound like a right err well bellend .
as said there is no actual law on stretch, only tyre manufacturers guidelines which is not the law, no one in the uk has ever been to court for runnining stretch as far as im aware ,many many opinions out there most people talking a load of tosh and don't really know what they are spouting just jumping on the they are dangerous bandwagon with no actual proof to back them up,its really no more dangerous than running a standard tyre under/over inflated/sidewall damaged/bulges etc by people who don't care about there cars and there are millions of people in this country that do this,so a few bellends including my self running the stretch aint going to change that statistic.
Ive been testing my own stretch tyres as I too had doubts about their integrity ,trying to force them off the rim on an actual disused runway at silly speeds and guess what.......nothing
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Thank you finally some 1 who knows the truth more than hear say like I say my stretched tyres caused no problems and we're not dangerous the only way they become dangerous in under inflation but that's the same case on any tyre.
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This same can of worms argument will be around until there are official tests done by a governing body to prove that it is dangerous, then an actual black and white law will have to been written ,but I doubt this will ever happen as there are so many variables ,vehicles ,rims widths ,sizes/brands of tyre ,what can go with what ,its not worth the cost against catching a few people running outside the specs :whistle:
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I'm not going to spout like i know anything about stretched tyres, however i'm almost certain that if anyone running them told their insurance company that they are fitted outside the tyre manufacturers "guidelines" then they wouldn't cover them? And if they didn't declare them like any other modification should be and god forbid one let go, they'd be up sh1t creek?
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All mods declared,maybe I forgot to mention the tyres :embarrassed: got my winters on now anyway but I will check with the insurance to see what their view is before they go back on in the spring.
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All mods declared,maybe I forgot to mention the tyres :embarrassed: got my winters on now anyway but I will check with the insurance to see what their view is before they go back on in the spring.
Good man! Would be interesting to hear what they say?
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Will let you all know what they say! out of interest has anyone on here already asked there insurance about this particular topic?
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When I was ringing around before renewal I did mention 2 one of the insurance company's about the tyres and they said it doesn't matter as it's not a law like having a load car they won't refuse you insurance because you annoy the neighbours it's not illegal so how can they refuse insurance yes it's not on the guidelines but it's not classed as dangerous or illegal.
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I love it when pensioners use words like bellend I find it hilarious ,makes them sound like a right err well bellend .
as said there is no actual law on stretch, only tyre manufacturers guidelines which is not the law, no one in the uk has ever been to court for runnining stretch as far as im aware ,many many opinions out there most people talking a load of tosh and don't really know what they are spouting just jumping on the they are dangerous bandwagon with no actual proof to back them up,its really no more dangerous than running a standard tyre under/over inflated/sidewall damaged/bulges etc by people who don't care about there cars and there are millions of people in this country that do this,so a few bellends including my self running the stretch aint going to change that statistic.
Ive been testing my own stretch tyres as I too had doubts about their integrity ,trying to force them off the rim on an actual disused runway at silly speeds and guess what.......nothing
Tyre manufacturer's guidelines are effectively the law - you can't legally fit a tyre outside of those guidlines without falling foul of the construction and use regs which directly puts you in contravention of the Road Traffic Act - how illegal do you want it to be?
Loads of people have been given Fixed penalties for running defective tyres but I don't believe any have had the guts to take it to court to challenge it - they've just paid up. That's a lot different to 'there have been no prosecutions'
Lifted from another forum - posted by a traffic cop
1, Regarding wheel width, they must not protrude more than 30mm beyond the wheel arches. (Council Directive 78/549/EEC)
2, Regarding the fitting of the tyre "Each tyre fitted to the vehicle shall be of a nominal size appropriate to the wheel to which it is fitted." Sec16(4 The Motor Vehicles (Approval) Regulations 2001'. The fact that the fit was outside manufacturers recommendations should be very persuasive to convince a court that the tyre was not fitted in a manner suitable to qualify it as 'approved'.
3, Section 40A RTA 1988 states "A person is guilty of an offence if he uses, or causes or permits another to use, a motor vehicle or trailer on a road when...the condition of the motor vehicle...or of its accessories or equipment...is such that the use of the motor vehicle or trailer involves a danger of injury to any person." Evidence to support this offence would include measurements of your wheel and tyre, and statements from the manufacturer or a tyre expert, indicating the potential risk of fitting outside their recommended parameters, namely, overheating, grip loss, unpredictable performance and behaviour etc etc.
4, If your vehicle was involved in a collision, especially one involving injury, where the cause led to the loss of control of your vehicle, dangerous driving may be considered, especially strengthened by Sec 2A(2) where "A person is also to be regarded as driving dangerously for the purposes of section 1 and 2 above if it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving the vehicle in its current state would be dangerous."
In each case the facts would be able to be presented to court for their consideration, suffice to say if I saw your vehicle on the road with the tyres you describe, I'd certainly be looking into the S40A RTA offence, Number 3) on the list, supported by the offences evidenced at 1) and 2).
I'd also be looking at the no insurance angle. What have you told your insurers btw?
A lot of it is going to end up being down to the individual copper's opinion but they have plenty of scope for hitting you with 12 points at the side of the road if they are in the mood or bogging you down in a whole heap of VOSA inspection related hassle if they are in the mood.
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If the rim protrudes from the arch, (the reason most people use stretched tyres to ensure no arch rubbing) this is an MOT failure and Police can issue an enforcement for 're-MOT, which it would fail due to this. For that reason, you are invalidating your MOT if it's protruding, thus voiding your insurance also. I'm 31 by the way, not a pensioner, just pointing out that in affect, you are driving without insurance (which was illegal last time I checked) and yes, it is dangerous.
http://the-corrado.net/showthread.php?t=83559
http://the-corrado.net/showthread.php?t=84396
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Sorry sean that was aimed at old man river andy k,forgot it was you who started the name calling so grow up your 31 ffs, that's it! anyone want to buy a set of 9"schmidts?
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Just because some of us have stretched tyres doesn't mean the rim protrudes the arch there for no mot failure.
It seems this argument is based of people running crazy stretch just because I have a very slight stretch downs make me the same as all the people running stupid stretch with stupid camber.
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Just because some of us have stretched tyres doesn't mean the rim protrudes the arch there for no mot failure.
It seems this argument is based of people running crazy stretch just because I have a very slight stretch downs make me the same as all the people running stupid stretch with stupid camber.
Unless something has changed i think you might be buggered come MOT time? ;D
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=260636.0 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=260636.0)
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This is sooooo funny.
I'm 38, nearly 39 and run 215/35's on 9.5's.
Never been pulled, passes an MOT every year, and couldn't give 2 hoots what anyone thinks, or think they know what they are talking about or quote from the web.
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I run 205/35 on 8J which gives a bit of stretch, I do so purely to get the car sitting better when it's aired out. Lots of mates also run stretched tyres for looks, and none of us have had any issues with mots or the police.
If I drove my car like a race car then I'd stick wider tyres on it that aren't nankangs, but at the end of the day it's a mk4 golf and all my driving is on public roads so the car is hardly driven to its limits.
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Just because it's passed the MoT doesn't make it legal - it means that in the opinion of the tester, on the day of the test it complied with his interpretation of the rules.
As for the insurance thing....
How many people running stretch tyres have a, declared them and b, actually said I have tyres fitted to my car that do not comply to the manufacturers recommendations?
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I have.
And it affected my premium by f**k all.
Manufacturers Recommendations also mean f**k all. After all, I recommend that all middle lane hoggers shoot themselves in the face, but getting that recommendation to stand in a court of law ain't gonna happen.
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:grin: Well said Lewy......
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Finally some sense and proof that still will not be believed and probably all luck your LEGALLY on the road and not all in prison for it. :rolleyes:
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(http://oi31.tinypic.com/a4x5kw.jpg)
Manufacturers recommendation....
Says it all...
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Just because it's passed the MoT doesn't make it legal - it means that in the opinion of the tester, on the day of the test it complied with his interpretation of the rules.
As for the insurance thing....
How many people running stretch tyres have a, declared them and b, actually said I have tyres fitted to my car that do not comply to the manufacturers recommendations?
I have, my insurers (greenlight) have even put pictures of my car on their Facebook page, complete with stretched tyres :grin:
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(http://oi31.tinypic.com/a4x5kw.jpg)
Manufacturers recommendation....
Says it all...
Well all that tells me is the size of rim not the width.
Also you say recommendation that's no law.
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This is sooooo funny.
I'm 38, nearly 39 and run 215/35's on 9.5's.
Never been pulled, passes an MOT every year, and couldn't give 2 hoots what anyone thinks, or think they know what they are talking about or quote from the web.
Obfuscation and bollocks, to be honest.
People have explained construction & Use and put up guidance from copper's interpretation of the law and that's all you can come back with?
'you can all go away because I'll do what I want, so ner ner ner'
Oh please.
TBH it looks like you do about 100 miles a year in that Golf of yours, maybe you're pally with your MOT tester. You're not terribly likely to get pulled over, are you? They're more likely to be interested in the masking tape flapping around on your car than the wheels, or they might go for the white rear plate instead.
As your car by your own admission has torn its own arch trims off because it was running so low you're hardly one to contribute on what the law has to say about wheels/tyres/bodywork, because it definitely says if the wheels touch the bodywork it will fail an MOT, which means it's not legal, or safe.
What the little children in this thread seem to fail to understand is that the law is not and never has been black and white, it is all down to interpretation, by coppers, lawyers and then judges and juries.
What do you think the above will use to demonstrate to a court that your car is unsafe or caused an accident? They will use manufacturers guidelines, of course. If you're outside of them and it can be demonstrated that contributed to a situation that caused you to wind up in court, then a court has an increased likelihood of finding you guilty of whatever it was that brought you to the court.
Aside from all this, running stupid wheel and tyre combos is likely to increase your chances of spending time talking about your tyres and wheels with men in silly hats and a dim view of those who don't conform with 'normal'. Maybe that rings your bellend, but it does nothing for mine.
So, how many of those running stretched tyres have called their insurers and told them their tyres and rim combination that they're running are outside of manufacturer's guidelines?
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I have.
And it affected my premium by f**k all.
Manufacturers Recommendations also mean f**k all. After all, I recommend that all middle lane hoggers shoot themselves in the face, but getting that recommendation to stand in a court of law ain't gonna happen.
so you actually told your insurers that you have fitted tyres to rims that the tyre manufacturer states are potentially dangerous or did you just fudge it a little bit in your favour?
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I do a lot more than that week and have had no problems never been pulled over and have driven past a fair few traffic cops not just police cars and haven't looked twice and my wheels are red so not like they didn't see them. My rim doesn't protrude my arch so its also legal i may not be sticking to the guidelines of the tyres but they are guidelines not law but that's the same as you saying you have never broke the speed limit in your hole life that is the law and without a doubt you have broken the limit more than once. A lot of you on here are Hippocrates and have broken the law with your cars but are quick enough to point out some one not sticking to the guidelines that is NOT THE LAW...........
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oh good, the old 'just because someone else is doing something wrong they can't tell you'
You've had advice, you've seen stuff written by a traffic plod, you've seen that people have been given fixed penalties for doing what you say is OK.
If (and I hope you are not) involved in an accident where tyre deflation can be seen as a contributory factor then it will get messy very quickly.
The tyre manufacturer gives these guidelines (which despite your repeated 'it's not law' crap) which very quickly become enforceable as law (see above) and if their is one single element of doubt the onus will be on you to prove that your use of tyres outside of these guidelines is actually safe - you won't be able to do that will you?
You can possibly end up with no insurance leaving you personally liable for all of the other parties involved costs.
Carry on though, if you think looking cool is worth the potential sh!t storm.
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But he's driven past traffic police before now? Surely that means it's all OK? :grin:
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well with way you lot are going on its like i have murdered some one and if its that dangerous and that illegal and there are so many problems and crashes and blow outs why have i not been pulled maybe im just very very lucky ah :smug:
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Why is it every discussion about stuff like this ends up with the same twittish replies like that one?
No, you haven't committed a murder (nobody said that you had did they?) and maybe you are just lucky to have not been pulled so far :)
Maybe you won't but you can be pretty sure that if the sh!t does hit the fan, you'll be out on your own as far as your insurance company is concerned.
Not a risk I'd be willing to take.
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Yes but that's goes with speeding, driving a bit to fast round a corner letting the tread on your tyre be lower than guidelines but legal there are many factors for "sh!t to hit the fan" i could sit here all day and name them all, just accept people will have stretched tyres. They are just as dangerous as a normal tyre on a normal wheel its how you look after your car if you don't then it will go wrong.The are worse things people do to there cars these days its just another thing for people to have a little cry about another thing to blame when something goes wrong any under inflated tyre will cause an accident. Stretched or not stretched tyres are as dangerous as most day to day things that go wrong with cars but for some reason the thousands of people not having accidents with stretch compared to all the people who are we are the dangerous ones on the road.
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wtf are you talking about?
You accept that you are using tyres outside of their tolerances yet argue that they are safer than normal tyres due tome accident figures you've made up?
You've had advice from all corners, now here's one more from an insurance company
'if you crash, the engineer see's stretched tyres. sends report to us = no insurance.
We have a duty as insurer to pay all third party claims but then we will come after you for the money.
The claim is 200k and you cant pay, we take you to court and the judge looks at your accounts and you pay for the rest of your life.'
Yes, I accept that people have stretched tyres and that they think they are cool by the same token, you must accept that other people see stretched tyres and think that only a complete bell end would do that to his or her car - it works both ways :)
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i agree with accepting and not accepting them but that's also like making a fuss about some one having alloys you don't think suite there car tbh its just people butting wanted to be heard and start a pointless argument don't like them don't do it and leave us to do it in the way we do.
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The tyre manufacturer gives these guidelines (which despite your repeated 'it's not law' crap) which very quickly become enforceable as law (see above) and if their is one single element of doubt the onus will be on you to prove that your use of tyres outside of these guidelines is actually safe - you won't be able to do that will you?
Where would I find these? Falken 205/40/17 FK452 for example.
Nothing here http://falken-europe.com/tyres
Definitely nothing here - http://www.falkentyres-uk.com/
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i agree with accepting and not accepting them but that's also like making a fuss about some one having alloys you don't think suite there car tbh its just people butting wanted to be heard and start a pointless argument don't like them don't do it and leave us to do it in the way we do.
I think it was you that started getting all stampy footed when someone called you a bellend :)
No, it's nothing like alloys you don't like, no it's not a pointless argument because the 'anti stretch' posts have offered constructive posts containing factual information whereas the best you've managed is 'leave us alone'
Yeah, whatever.
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The tyre manufacturer gives these guidelines (which despite your repeated 'it's not law' crap) which very quickly become enforceable as law (see above) and if their is one single element of doubt the onus will be on you to prove that your use of tyres outside of these guidelines is actually safe - you won't be able to do that will you?
Where would I find these? Falken 205/40/17 FK452 for example.
Nothing here http://falken-europe.com/tyres
Definitely nothing here - http://www.falkentyres-uk.com/
Spec for the 453 here
http://falkentire.com/tires/car-tires/azenis-fk453 - click on the view sizes and specs whioch pretty much tells you what you can and cannot fit them on.
Presumably somewhere a similar spec sheet exists for your tyres. When I bought my Falkens, I got a warranty/certificate of conformity with them specifying which rims sizes were ok.
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That's the kind of nerdy spec I was after. Never been supplied with anything like that in many years of tyre buying!
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it does exist :)
Most manufacturers will have it if you (or anybody else) asks and there lies the problem - they have their arses covered and ignorance of those facts isn't really a defence when the sh!t has already hit the fan.
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by saying when sh!t hits the fan you mean like in any normal situation a driver could be in.
So not so much that stretch tyres are bad and dangerous all you saying is you could end up in court if a accident occurs with these fitted so there not dangerous your just not covered don't really understand where your going with this tbh and why you have such a problem people were doing this in 80s and them banded steels were welded by them self didn't see that on the news banded steels stretched tyres is an old school new school thing some people just think if fitted you will die :laugh: or not :smug:
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http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?/topic/24937-stretched-tyres-are-they-legal-or-not/
quite a good read on the subject, like the FM rule use it a lot :grin:
(Sure this was linked here or on one of the other VW before)
http://www.yokohamatire.com/tires_101/customizing/rim_wheel_width/
This shows rim ranges suitable for yoko tyres (found on plod site) so if you stick within this the tyres will be suitable for the wheels.
But then you have to make sure the wheels are within VW specification for the car and comply with how far the wheel sticks out from the car (UK regs), which would restrict you the barest stretch according to tyre manufacturers spec?
I would not run stretch tyres and risk getting shafted if something went wrong, but then I've not been cool for years :grin:
From all the info its clear there is a murky area you can get away with wheel/tyre mods providing nothing happens, then you could be fcked depending on the officer/circumstances/Insurer....
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by saying when sh!t hits the fan you mean like in any normal situation a driver could be in.
So not so much that stretch tyres are bad and dangerous all you saying is you could end up in court if a accident occurs with these fitted so there not dangerous your just not covered don't really understand where your going with this tbh and why you have such a problem people were doing this in 80s and them banded steels were welded by them self didn't see that on the news banded steels stretched tyres is an old school new school thing some people just think if fitted you will die :laugh: or not :smug:
The sh!t hitting the fan is where your insurance company ask for an engineer's report in the case of an accident because you are running a car with what many people see as stupid/dangerous modifications - if the engineer comes to that decision then your insurance is void - fill in the rest of the story yourself.
Banded steels were common in the eighties (they actually date back to the thirties or earlier but nothing that old could ever be cool could it?), yes, and they got clamped down on because of crappy welding was seen as the cause of several fatal accidents.
I think from about 1986 onwards they were made legal again or rather not legislated against and if you want me to quote the law relating to them - have a look at regulation 100 of the Construction and Use regs - to paraphrase it 'all parts fitted to a vehicle are not likely to cause a danger to the user of the vehicle or other road users. Additionally, you will need to ensure that the wheels do not protrude from the wheel arches, or that modifications are made to the bodywork of the vehicle to ensure that the wheels do not protrude.' Is that clear enough for you?
I have no issue with people modding cars, I have an issue with people so stupid that they think the law doesn't apply to them and so will push things to extremes because it 'looks cool'. These are the sort of bellends that end up with legislation being brought in which has an affect on all of us because governments never look at specifics, they just put a blanket ban on stuff.
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there is no proof that stretched could cause danger making that statement useless tbh and yes if the wheel sticks out illegal mine doesn't so legal.
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You really aren't getting this are you?
Using a tyre outside of the manufacturer's (tried and tested) safety guidelines leave you open to all sorts of problems.
Whilst it may not be illegal to make such modifications as soon as your insurance company sees a way of not paying out they will grab it with both hands - that's how insurance companies work.
It won't be up to them to prove it's not safe. They will make that assumption because it 'looks' wrong. It will be up to you to prove it's safe and on that level you don't have a cat in hells chance. Stamping your feet and saying it's wikkid just won't cut it.
You are now telling us that the banded rims you use do not extrude beyond the wheel arches?
Pictures you've posted before show they do.
It's pretty much pointless talking to you about this because you ignore any advice you are given - as long as you feel safe, I guess that's it.
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yes but after them pictures i change the way the wheel sit making them not protrude also we are talking about them being legal not if an insurance company will payout they will try and not payout in any circumstance not just because i have banded steels so that is irrelevant.
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The insurance company probably won't give a stuff about the banded wheels as long as you have declared them - it will be the incorrectly fitted tyres they will be interested in.
You seem far more interested in cosmetics than road worthiness.
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Is this still going? :rolleyes: :grin:
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(http://ksj.mit.edu/sites/default/files/images/tracker/2011/yawn2.jpg)
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There is no proof of a tyre being any more unworthy stretched then not being there are guidelines. A standard tyre is not on the edge of safety there are tolerances meaning a little stretch is no more dangerous than an normal tyre being fitted.
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There is no proof of a tyre being any more unworthy stretched then not being there are guidelines. A standard tyre is not on the edge of safety there are tolerances meaning a little stretch is no more dangerous than an normal tyre being fitted.
Prove it!
Because from where I'm sitting that is just about the daftest thing I've read today.
Please don't waste any more of anybody's time with anecdotal crap. You've made a firm statement on the safety of tyres and their tolerance.
Back it up with some concrete evidence provided by tyre manufacturers (not your mates) and I'll believe you.
Until then, just give it a rest.
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There is no proof of a tyre being any more unworthy stretched then not being there are guidelines.
In English?
I'm guessing you're saying the tyre is no less roadworthy when stretched.... except you're outside manufacturer's guidelines... now why do you think they publish guidelines?
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In English?
I'm guessing you're saying the tyre is no less roadworthy when stretched.... except you're outside manufacturer's guidelines... now why do you think they publish guidelines?
For bellends to ignore :)
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To cover them in case something did go wrong but there are only few cases where a stretch tyre has burst you just hear about it more it's all hear say and guidelines this guidelines that there is no law it's not illegal to an extent of course.
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oh ffs - you keep making these sweeping statements with nothing to back it up.
You may as well say it's perfectly safe to make tyres out of cheese because nobody has been killed or involved in an accident in a car with tyres made of cheese :D
As I said earlier, find us some concrete evidence, real proof to back up anything you have said and then meaybe you'll stop sounding like a ten year old stamping his feet saying 'I want, I want, I want'!
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What like your proof and laws the wheel can not protrude the arch that's nothing to do with stretched tyres and if it's legal or not.
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here you go again, not capable of making any sensible point so you rehash and try to redirect from other posts.
No, by proof I mean something from a credited source that says exactly the opposite of what this says!
Each Yokohama tire has a specific rim width range on which the tire can be mounted. Failure to follow rim width recommendations may result in poor tire performance or possible wheel and/or tire failure.
http://www.yokohamatire.com/tires_101/customizing/rim_wheel_width/
Now, find me some real evidence not just sh!t you are making up because your mates have told you it's alright
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More guidelines :laugh:t
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They aren't guidelines - they are set in stone. That's what the tyre manufacturers say are safe.
Now, stop being a bellend and find some proof to the contrary.
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Obfuscation and bollocks, to be honest.
People have explained construction & Use and put up guidance from copper's interpretation of the law and that's all you can come back with?
'you can all go away because I'll do what I want, so ner ner ner'
Oh please.
TBH it looks like you do about 100 miles a year in that Golf of yours, maybe you're pally with your MOT tester. You're not terribly likely to get pulled over, are you? They're more likely to be interested in the masking tape flapping around on your car than the wheels, or they might go for the white rear plate instead.
As your car by your own admission has torn its own arch trims off because it was running so low you're hardly one to contribute on what the law has to say about wheels/tyres/bodywork, because it definitely says if the wheels touch the bodywork it will fail an MOT, which means it's not legal, or safe.
What the little children in this thread seem to fail to understand is that the law is not and never has been black and white, it is all down to interpretation, by coppers, lawyers and then judges and juries.
What do you think the above will use to demonstrate to a court that your car is unsafe or caused an accident? They will use manufacturers guidelines, of course. If you're outside of them and it can be demonstrated that contributed to a situation that caused you to wind up in court, then a court has an increased likelihood of finding you guilty of whatever it was that brought you to the court.
Aside from all this, running stupid wheel and tyre combos is likely to increase your chances of spending time talking about your tyres and wheels with men in silly hats and a dim view of those who don't conform with 'normal'. Maybe that rings your bellend, but it does nothing for mine.
So, how many of those running stretched tyres have called their insurers and told them their tyres and rim combination that they're running are outside of manufacturer's guidelines?
Oh, now that you have told me the error of my ways, maybe I should put normal tyres on.
No wait....... :cry:
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really makes you wonder who comes up with these odd car trends eh.
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This has to be thread of the year :grin:
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oh man im getting so"tyred" of this thread. it "wheely" needs to end now. think we "stretched" it out as far as we can. :grin: