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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: dubber36 on 18 December 2013, 08:55
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I tend to keep my cars for a lot longer than most. 8 years for a Peugeot 307 that the Golf replaced and very nearly that long for my Passat that I replaced with another one. I have found this to be by far the most economical way of owning/running a car, but it is a bit of a shock to the bank balance when the time comes to change.
Having had my 6 for 3 years, I'm fancying a 7 now whist the 6 is still worth something, but what is putting me off is that I don't think it will feel like a significant change and will soon loose that new car feeling. Having skipped a generation with my Passat, that really does feel like an upgrade from my old 2004 one. It's better built, more comfortable, more efficient, better performance and up to date technology, but ultimately it is still quite similar.
Has the Golf moved on enough to warrant (for me) an early change? Or should I wait for the Mk8?
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IMO there's a massive difference. I've had mk 4's, 5, 6 and now a 7 - there wasn't a massive difference between the 5 & 6 but there's a significant difference to the 7 - it's like a different car (but still retains that Golf feel). Go for it, you won't be disappointed! :smiley:
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I tend to keep my cars for a lot longer than most. 8 years for a Peugeot 307 that the Golf replaced and very nearly that long for my Passat that I replaced with another one. I have found this to be by far the most economical way of owning/running a car, but it is a bit of a shock to the bank balance when the time comes to change.
Having had my 6 for 3 years, I'm fancying a 7 now whist the 6 is still worth something, but what is putting me off is that I don't think it will feel like a significant change and will soon loose that new car feeling. Having skipped a generation with my Passat, that really does feel like an upgrade from my old 2004 one. It's better built, more comfortable, more efficient, better performance and up to date technology, but ultimately it is still quite similar.
Has the Golf moved on enough to warrant (for me) an early change? Or should I wait for the Mk8?
I didn't go for it in the end the cost of change was too great from a mk6 GTD to a mk7 GTD. And the fact that if I had of paid full price for my mk6 it would have lost 16k in 3 years. I am not prepared to throw another 16-18k in three years. I could only lose the remaining 12.5k for the rest of its life.(which he touches wood will be trouble free).
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Ajmoir36: Not sure what your part-ex expectations are to think you’d be chucking upwards of £16k depreciation over 3 years. More like £10k (part ex value vs RRP, which is still a lot) unless you do huge annual mileages or add £6k worth of optional extras that you don’t see much back on. MK7 is a huge jump in interior quality, equipment levels, safety equipment, handling/comfort and looks. Get the car at significant discount and (if you can be bothered with the hassle) sell privately, you could be down to as little as £6k depreciation between 3 year changes based on 10k miles per annum.
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Get the car at significant discount and (if you can be bothered with the hassle) sell privately, you could be down to as little as £6k depreciation between 3 year changes based on 10k miles per annum.
£6k? Never in a million years.
Anyone can manipulate numbers to make them say what they want them to. My Brother in law is a prime example. He's had more cars than anyone can remember, all of them being "a really good deal". However after all these deals, he's still got nothing. He's 40 years old, still got a monumental mortgage and not enough money to take his kids on holiday. A bit of a digression I know, but I'm not having it that anyone can ride around in a new car that retails in the region of £27k and it only cost them £2k a year in depreciation.
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Ajmoir36: Not sure what your part-ex expectations are to think you’d be chucking upwards of £16k depreciation over 3 years. More like £10k (part ex value vs RRP, which is still a lot) unless you do huge annual mileages or add £6k worth of optional extras that you don’t see much back on. MK7 is a huge jump in interior quality, equipment levels, safety equipment, handling/comfort and looks. Get the car at significant discount and (if you can be bothered with the hassle) sell privately, you could be down to as little as £6k depreciation between 3 year changes based on 10k miles per annum.
60k in three years and the new mk7 GTD was coming in at 29k.
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the new mk7 GTD was coming in at 29k.
Thats full retail I presume? - you can take £3k off that with a discount.
I think where Monkeyhanger is coming from is the fact that its possible to buy a brand new GTD (3-door manual, no options) for only £22,500.
Its not inconceivable that if kept in top class condition it could be worth £15k in a private sale after three years with moderate mileage. Result - £7,500 in depreciation!
The factors that erode this are:
Getting less than the best available discount
Adding optional extras
Higher than moderate mileage
Not looking after the car
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Get the car at significant discount and (if you can be bothered with the hassle) sell privately, you could be down to as little as £6k depreciation between 3 year changes based on 10k miles per annum.
£6k? Never in a million years.
Anyone can manipulate numbers to make them say what they want them to. My Brother in law is a prime example. He's had more cars than anyone can remember, all of them being "a really good deal". However after all these deals, he's still got nothing. He's 40 years old, still got a monumental mortgage and not enough money to take his kids on holiday. A bit of a digression I know, but I'm not having it that anyone can ride around in a new car that retails in the region of £27k and it only cost them £2k a year in depreciation.
Indeed, that is the nature of long term vehicle renting.
It isn't a deal, the only winners are those lending the money.
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I'm not with you - surely the indvidual who is the recipient of the shiny new Golf s getting something out of it? Its not really about 'winners and losers' - its simply a purchasing decision.
The alternative is to buy an older, cheaper car - pay less and (some would say) get less!
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We are going slightly off the original point, and that was partly my fault, but I do struggle to believe that it is possible to only suffer £2000 a year in depreciation on a new £27k car.
Money aside, as everyone's priorities and circumstances are different, will it give me that new car feeling for long enough to make it worth while? If in 3 months time, it feels just like my current car does now, I don't see the point in changing.
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Money aside, as everyone's priorities and circumstances are different, will it give me that new car feeling for long enough to make it worth while? If in 3 months time, it feels just like my current car does now, I don't see the point in changing.
It's a completely different car to the 6. In nearly every way. Best thing to do is go have a drive of a demo and you'll see/feel the differences straight away. :smiley:
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A new Audi A3 might give you that "new" car feel for longer than the 7! :shocked:
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Hmmm, you could be onto something there Nige.
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MarkV got my way of thinking - £23k paid for a vanilla 5dr GTD via broker, GFV is £14470, reasonable private sale for a good condition one is up to £16k at average mileage as same at VW garage will be up at £19k. Excluding interest of course. Price that against keeping yours. It will still be depreciating, the new one wont cost you a penny in brakes, tyres etc and costs £40 to tax over 3 years. Of course, dipping into the options puts a big dent in that. They are not good value for money - large mark up items that depreciate heavily.
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I would go and take a test drive and see if you think its worth it. :smiley:
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I'm not sure that a test drive will answer my question, or give me an idea of how it will feel after a few months. That's why I'm asking those of you that have made the swap.
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I'm not sure that a test drive will answer my question, or give me an idea of how it will feel after a few months. That's why I'm asking those of you that have made the swap.
Fair comment, I am loving my GTi...... no regrests :smiley:
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I'm not with you - surely the indvidual who is the recipient of the shiny new Golf s getting something out of it? Its not really about 'winners and losers' - its simply a purchasing decision.
The alternative is to buy an older, cheaper car - pay less and (some would say) get less!
Yes I agree, it was more a reference to something being a 'Good Deal', although that assessment is subjective to the individual.
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I'm not sure that a test drive will answer my question, or give me an idea of how it will feel after a few months. That's why I'm asking those of you that have made the swap.
It will feel like a Golf, perhaps a move away from VAG then?
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Taking out the cost which is not the question asked (and everyone's circumstances are very different so never a question that can be answered on a forum anyway).
Ignoring the "buy something else" which wasn't the question asked either.
Ok, what are we looking at here? GTD or GT?
I've been driving Golf GTI's on and off for 26 or 27 years, I've bought (and modified in some way) every version of Golf from mk1 to mk7 and I'll never profess to being an expert on them but I do have more than a little experience of the things (GTI's, TDI's and VR6's).
Having had two mk5's (TDI and GTI) and two mk6 GTI's and now having had a mk7 for nearly two months I can give a little bit of feedback but it may not be relevant to anyone else's wants or needs.
Is the mk7 much different to the mk5/6? Yes. More than I expected. You sit in it and it feels like a Golf. The driving position is a Golf thru and thru. But from then on it's different.
I'll ignore the engine for a minute as I've not driven the TDI so will concentrate on what has been improved massively - body control. It's surprisingly good. I can't sit and wax lyrical about on the limit handling because I don't drive that way. Tiff Needell can lust after something very different for track days but as a road car the body control of the mk7 Golf is leaps ahead of the mk6.
The steering - it's sharp - very very sharp. I'm still getting used to it as I drive a lot of different vehicles over the course of the week (hence why a DSG is a no no for me as I'd just not get used to it). It's shopping trolley sharp which is a surprise in a biggish hatch.
The interior - it's a Golf, it will still feel like a Golf but the electronics have come on and the difference is like that between a mk5 or equivalent generation Passat and a mk6 Golf. It's just that bit more hi-tech than the outgoing model.
So, why did I buy a mk7 when I'd only had my much loved mk6 for 2 years? The mk6 was bought pretty much to my perfect spec once I'd added a few extras I'd already had on my previous mk6 (RNS and BBS plus a few minor bits).
With the mk6 I'd pretty much made it my perfect Golf so I kind of lost interest in it. A bit like if you were a long time bachelor and played the field until you found more or less the perfect girl and just kind of settled down and changed priorities. Hence why one of several reasons I pretty much vanished off here for a good while.
But from the start I had an inkling that the mk7 was going to be a leap forward.
Financially it was suicide for me but it was a case of "do it while you still can".
The mk7 R is just too much for me financially and I'd never use the benefit of the big turbo or appreciate the 4WD. Like the mk6 R, it didn't quite do it for me (aside from the blue paint and blue needles). If I earned another £10k PA maybe but I don't and never will as careers aren't really my thing.
So, for me, if it hadn't been for the PP extras (mostly the diff, looking forward to post warranty modifications) I'd have happily kept my mk6 or got a cracking deal on a 'mid life crisis' Scirocco R Line TDI to run about in for a year or two until I'd got that out of my system.
Which brings me to say that yes, the mk7 is a much sharper car to drive, but the mk6 is still an excellent car and it makes no financial sense to change at all. Maybe if you're 'upgrading' a GT spec to a GTD you could argue something but alas certainly going from GT to GT would not be worth the bother for another few years just before the mk6 landed any hefty maintenance bills.
I still miss my mk6.
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I'm not sure that a test drive will answer my question, or give me an idea of how it will feel after a few months. That's why I'm asking those of you that have made the swap.
It will feel like a Golf, perhaps a move away from VAG then?
Wash your mouth out Sir.
There will always be a modern VAG car in the garage. What else will I be able to enter the concourse at GTI International? Having said that, I do fancy an XF Sportbrake to replace the Passat, but seeing as I only bought it in February, that will be a good way off.
Exonian, I appreciate your comments. If I were to buy a Mk7, it would more than likely me a GTD DSG to replace my GT manual. So it would be a 'step up'.
I'm not really all that fussed about outright performance or on the limit handling, so the GTI or .:R is just un-necessary. If it's anything like the Mk6, it will lead a pampered life and probably to no more than 4000 miles a year. Other than the Passat, my cars are more like nice things to own, as opposed to tools to ferry us here there and everywhere.
Looking at the prices of late, used Mk5's it seems that my Mk6 should hold quite good money over the next couple of years, so perhaps I would be better off waiting until there is a choice of nice, privately owned Mk7's to choose from?
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Why not wait for the ED40? Still a golf but with more exclusivity.
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I had seriously considered buying an ED40, but the plan was for it to be a keeper and only brought out for shows. A bit like Terry Tunstal's Mk4 Anniversary if you like.
However the Mk2 is about to undergo another phase of restoration, so that will carry out those duties.
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I'm not sure that a test drive will answer my question, or give me an idea of how it will feel after a few months. That's why I'm asking those of you that have made the swap.
It will feel like a Golf, perhaps a move away from VAG then?
Wash your mouth out Sir.
There will always be a modern VAG car in the garage. What else will I be able to enter the concourse at GTI International? Having said that, I do fancy an XF Sportbrake to replace the Passat, but seeing as I only bought it in February, that will be a good way off.
Exonian, I appreciate your comments. If I were to buy a Mk7, it would more than likely me a GTD DSG to replace my GT manual. So it would be a 'step up'.
I'm not really all that fussed about outright performance or on the limit handling, so the GTI or .:R is just un-necessary. If it's anything like the Mk6, it will lead a pampered life and probably to no more than 4000 miles a year. Other than the Passat, my cars are more like nice things to own, as opposed to tools to ferry us here there and everywhere.
Looking at the prices of late, used Mk5's it seems that my Mk6 should hold quite good money over the next couple of years, so perhaps I would be better off waiting until there is a choice of nice, privately owned Mk7's to choose from?
It will feel like a Golf in a good way, it seems you are questioning whether the step is big enough to warrant another car? It might feel more justifiable if it was a different car because it will be a different experience rather than familiar.
Do you want a Diesel for 4k a year?
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Do you want a Diesel for 4k a year?
Yes. We live in backward rural Shropshire where only gay people that haven't lived here for at least 40 years buy cars with petrol engines, unless it's a V8.
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Do you want a Diesel for 4k a year?
Yes. We live in backward rural Shropshire where only gay people that haven't lived here for at least 40 years buy cars with petrol engines, unless it's a V8.
Wut?
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Do you want a Diesel for 4k a year?
Yes. We live in backward rural Shropshire where only gay people that haven't lived here for at least 40 years buy cars with petrol engines, unless it's a V8.
Shouldn't you be driving a big bad 4x4 then :grin:
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Do you want a Diesel for 4k a year?
Yes. We live in backward rural Shropshire where only gay people that haven't lived here for at least 40 years buy cars with petrol engines, unless it's a V8.
Wut?
dubber36, I suspect you may possibly be Jeremy Clarkson!!! :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Shouldn't you be driving a big bad 4x4 then :grin:
Nah. Unless it's a 30 year old, battered Defender, I'd look like a fancy pants city incomer who thinks you need a Range Rover to drive up a bit of a hill when it's raining.
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Shouldn't you be driving a big bad 4x4 then :grin:
Nah. Unless it's a 30 year old, battered Defender, I'd look like a fancy pants city incomer who thinks you need a Range Rover to drive up a bit of a hill when it's raining.
That was the right answer :wink:
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I think going from a GT to GTD you would see quite a difference especially the 40hp more. Also its lower by what 20mm? The 0-60 in 7.5s compared to 9.0.
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As I said before, I'm not too fussed about the performance. I drove a friends Mk6 GTD DSG recently and liked it, but it's not THAT different from my Mk6 GT.
Also, I'm pretty sure that the sports suspension on my GT is the same as the Mk6 GTD, so I can't see the Mk7 being lower.
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As I said before, I'm not too fussed about the performance. I drove a friends Mk6 GTD DSG recently and liked it, but it's not THAT different from my Mk6 GT.
Also, I'm pretty sure that the sports suspension on my GT is the same as the Mk6 GTD, so I can't see the Mk7 being lower.
The mk7 is a bit lower than the mk6 in ride height, certainly the gti anyway so I would expect the gtd to be the same.