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General => General discussion => Topic started by: bobotheclown on 13 August 2013, 18:47
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e-petition to make fracking illegal in the uk.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/40905
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Whilst I am against fracking in general and have signed up, we better get used to wars in the middle east for oil and countries that have it dictating our fuel prices.
Bit hypocritical to drive a car and be nimbyist about looking for it in our country.
Conventional means are just as destructive with millions of folk affected across the poorer world, are we saying its ok for them to put up with sh!t we are not prepared to accept ourselves?
What's the acceptable price of cheap energy in the UK.....
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I'm all for fracking got solve our fuel needs somehow :cool:
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Agreed, we pay 4 times as much as Americans for gas, bring on the fracking!
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The oil ain't going anywhere we should leave it for 10 years and see if it goes tits up somewhere else and not down the road from me :lipsrsealed:
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Frack away I say! Anywhere!
If I live as long as my Dad I have another 35 years of driving and I want to do that in my Golf!
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My friend is currently building a biogas plant on his farm that will power 3k homes with scope for more. His turbines are designed to be modular and he gets a free upgrade under his contract in two years timeish to convert them to run on hydrogen. A few in germany have already had this done and are running at 70% burn efficiency whilst methane sits at 50ish. Just saying.
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Fracking isn't the answer. We have the technology to come up with sustainable alternatives, and yet the big oil companies have such influence with world governments that research and development of renewable energy and other alternatives to fossil fuels have been blocked.
if we could send a man to the moon back in 69 surely in the 21st century we can find an alternative to fossil fuels.
http://www.arnoldclark.com/newsroom/153-the-cost-of-petrol-worldwide-why-is-the-uk-so-expensive
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Sod renewables, more oil and gas is what we need.
Frack away I say!
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The oil ain't going anywhere we should leave it for 10 years and see if it goes tits up somewhere else and not down the road from me :lipsrsealed:
Oil/gas aint going anywhere but up in price we need to do this now so we don't have to be held hostage to suppliers in other countries !
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Frack away I say! Anywhere!
If I live as long as my Dad I have another 35 years of driving and I want to do that in my Golf!
Said the Surfer Against Sewerage :rolleyes:
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Frack away I say! Anywhere!
If I live as long as my Dad I have another 35 years of driving and I want to do that in my Golf!
Said the Surfer Against Sewerage :rolleyes:
And?
Sewage comes from us and unless its fully treated goes out to sea where we surf etc. with pathogens and bacteria that give us bad infections.
Fracking has nothing to do with that.
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http://williamahuston.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/halliburtonschlumberger-radiation.html
How do people feel about depleted uranium shell's being used in the fracking process? Is
it ok if we irradiate the country? Sheep with five legs might be good, cheaper lamb in the shops :whistle:
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It's going on down the road from me, in balcombe lol all for it!! 2 weeks time I'll be down under! :whistle:
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If you want to embrace renewables then drive a Prius :grin:
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It's going on down the road from me, in balcombe lol all for it!! 2 weeks time I'll be down under! :whistle:
And your of to the state where they've found the 2nd largest reserve of shale gas in the world! It wont be kicking off for a couple more years yet but when it does it will be massive over here.
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Best start training in fracking then !! :laugh:
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Best start training in fracking then !! :laugh:
Environmental specialists in this field will be making just as much and it's a far easier job :smiley:
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Frack away I say! Anywhere!
If I live as long as my Dad I have another 35 years of driving and I want to do that in my Golf!
Said the Surfer Against Sewerage :rolleyes:
And?
Sewage comes from us and unless its fully treated goes out to sea where we surf etc. with pathogens and bacteria that give us bad infections.
Fracking has nothing to do with that.
Oh ok, as long as it doesn't directly effect you then.
Do you know how bad it is for the environment? Where do you think the toxic waste will end up? Most likely waterways, canals and eventually the ocean.
http://www.dangersoffracking.com/
Enjoy surfing once they start fracking :wink:
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Like I said Jay - full treatment!
That is what SAS has been campaigning for now for over 20 years! Waste products (sewage/toxins) have been entering our waterways and seas for centuries!
We now have the technology and ability to stop that as long as the water companies do their bit which they dont! Add in the effect of Storm water outfalls which allow raw sewage to enter our seas etc. when we get a small shower of rain!
Now as for fracking they will be licensed and part of that license will be the treatment of the waste they produce.
In practice they will be dealt with the same way the Water companies are.
At the moment there are no proposed fracking sites near a decent surfing beach and hopefully that will continue.
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Why should it be the water companies job to clean up after the energy companies? Do you think it'll make an ounce of difference to the cost of fuels?
Enjoy swimming in the toxic waters :afro:
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Just seen the news!! The ones in balcombe have gone mad!!
Tbh these company's have enough money and power to buy the village up! At what ever price!
It is quite close! But far enough away from ardingly resivwar
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all a load of fuss over nothing.
just like bypass protesters, nuclear protesters etc etc
they will be moved, it will happen.
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Why should it be the water companies job to clean up after the energy companies? Do you think it'll make an ounce of difference to the cost of fuels?
Enjoy swimming in the toxic waters :afro:
No Jay its the fracking companies that will have to clear up their own mess! That will be part of their license! :rolleyes:
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Stop wasting time, effort and £money on fracking. It's not good for the planet, so spend the money on taking out these greedy wayne kerrs in the 'oil rich zone' nice and easy tbh. :wink:
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I don't know if the government stops selling our own fuels then having to buy it back when its more expensive or we end up paying more then who knows? Maybe we are paying for future contracts just to secure it hence the x5 prices mmm methinks on this one for abit! :rolleyes:
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I was wondering if you could clarify a couple of points as i am mot aware of the work done by SAS. Has SAS been successful in persuading the water companies to fix the problems with sewage being dumped in the ocean? Do water companies have a legal obligation to prevent that sort of thing happening?
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Its gonna happen, and has been happening all over the world for a few years now. The Yanks are almost self sustainable thanks to this. Granted they have mass expanses of uninhabited land to do this, but we don't so we need to do it right. We can't be left behind over this, or we'll suffer the consequences in years to come. All these people protesting are just whining about the damage to their local landscape. They'll also be the first to whine about increased gas costs when the other country who went ahead with fracking, that we are forced to buy from put up their prices! As long as its done sympathetically which government can enforce, everyone should accept it as the best alternative.
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Has anyone looked into the environmental impact fracking has had? What makes anyone feel that the disasters is effect experienced in other countries won't happen here? At the end of the day the companies fracking will look at the cost of fines and how much profit they'll generate and the ratio will no doubt be that they'll cut corners, ruin he environment pay the fines and still generate massive profits.
And you know Cameron won't do anything about it because the "environmentalists" don't vote Tory anyway. And Cameron has come out and said that fracking is a good thug so why penalise his chums running these firms?
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Its not just governmental agencies that'll have their bollox should any problems occur though. I cant honestly see there being any conspiracy between Government and the suppliers in this Bob. Its a fact of life that we need to adapt with the times. This is just the next process in mankind acquiring fuel by necessary means.
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Yes we need to find a solution to our dependency on fossil fuels but I'm not sure fracking is the answer. Does by one know how much of a yield this fracking will produce? Will it be worth it?
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Low estimates are not much, high estimates are energy independence for around 50 years.
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some more information about fracking:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_hydraulic_fracturing_in_the_United_States
I like this quote from the article:
"EPA investigations into the oil and gas industry's environmental impact—including the ongoing one into fracking's potential impact on drinking water—and associated reports had been narrowed in scope[4][5] and/or had negative findings removed due to industry and government pressure"
What is there to be concerned about? toxic contamination of the ground water? Pah, who needs clean fresh water?
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We might as well suck out and use the gas under our feet and enjoy it. Who knows when an asteroid/nuclear war/super volcano/plague will hit mankind.
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There's too much emotion with this Fracking debate...we need real information on what the risks are and if they can be managed properly.
If it can be managed then I say go for it, if it reduces some of our reliance on importing energy then even better.
Many of those Nimby's are probably the first to moan about rising energy prices...but I guess it's ok for some natural habitat to be flattened in some far away country because it's not down the road :rolleyes:.