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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: WXW9 on 06 August 2013, 21:50
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Hi All,
New to the forum......own an ageing Mark4 owned from new ..... Time to order a brand new Mark 7 ....
Problems though......rear view camera (reversing camera) now seems to be removed from list of options to order until further notice and no sign of sexy folding factory fitted towbar either.....dealers don't seems to know or care ....do I just accept it and hold out or look at other brands? :sad:
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Hi All,
New to the forum......own an ageing Mark4 owned from new ..... Time to order a brand new Mark 7 ....
Problems though......rear view camera (reversing camera) now seems to be removed from list of options to order until further notice and no sign of sexy folding factory fitted towbar either.....dealers don't seems to know or care ....do I just accept it and hold out or look at other brands? :sad:
Depends how much you want the GTI really, I've been close to flipping vw the bird lately due to the ridiculous delays but when it boils down to it I want the GTI and only one company sell it :grin:
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A GTI and a towbar!! Don't do it :cry: :cry:
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To own an Iconic Car which if one bit is missing will not dull the overall GTI experience ,once you get in it for a few
miles and lots of looks , trust me I have had them all (yes mk 2-3-4 were a bit naff ) IMO so you will notice a big plus
whatever spec you can get :cool: :cool:
A GTI with tow bar ?? speedboat Only :laugh: :laugh:
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I've driven a lot of cars. And I've test driven a lot more the last few months. The GTI left me with a massive smile on my face. Yes there are issues with VW but when you get yours it'll all be forgotten - its an outstanding car!
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Thanks for your comments guys......I take your points, well made re GTI with towbar ...... Actually not for a speedboat, just mountain bikes, worse too I am going for GT TDI not GTI.... Thought I had got onto the right area of the forum ........ :smiley: :smiley:
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worse too I am going for GT TDI not GTI.... Thought I had got onto the right area of the forum ........ :smiley: :smiley:
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The other option is wait abit longer and they will come back on the option lists when they start getting supply again.
This sort of thing normally happens with vw with new models.
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Last I spoke to VWCS they were implying a month or two. That said I'm having trouble trusting anything they say right now...
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Really don't see why the rear view camera is such a dealbreaker (unless you have a neck injury), especially if the car isn't even ordered yet, the sensor/graphic view is better than most and is standard.
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I never understood the rear camera thing either (apart from it looking kind of cool, when the boot lid badge opens). The sensors and direct vision are so easy to use; nice to have, but certainly not a dealbreaker.
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I never understood the rear camera thing either (apart from it looking kind of cool, when the boot lid badge opens). The sensors and direct vision are so easy to use; nice to have, but certainly not a dealbreaker.
I wonder how many people would say "sod the camera" if VW upfront said it added a blanket 6 or 8 weeks onto your order. Without knowing the ins and outs of of everyones allocation queue place, i'd bet there are people here that aren't yet confirmed that would've otherwise be confirmed or even built by now. VW rear visibility is excellent anyway with a big window and easy to predict where the back of the car is (unlike my Scirocco with it's tiny and raked rear window), i'm not sure i'd even pay for parking sensors if they were optional.
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i'm not sure i'd even pay for parking sensors if they were optional.
I wouldn't have paid for the sensors if they were an option. Its a hatchback, not a tank, if you can't park it then find a bigger space or buy a smart car.
We don't know what the real reason is, but if I was in your boys shoes I'd of taken it off my order straight away. Yes, it looks cool on the screen but after a month it'll become the norm. And you can't see the camera pop out at the back as you're driving, so whatever! Honestly, I would be feeling that its holding up my order and I'd get shot straight away. If it was the PP or Nav then I'd wait, but for a camera gimmick? No way - take it off! Just my opinion of course. :smiley:
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I wouldn't have paid for the sensors if they were an option. Its a hatchback, not a tank, if you can't park it then find a bigger space or buy a smart car.
We don't know what the real reason is, but if I was in your boys shoes I'd of taken it off my order straight away. Yes, it looks cool on the screen but after a month it'll become the norm. And you can't see the camera pop out at the back as you're driving, so whatever! Honestly, I would be feeling that its holding up my order and I'd get shot straight away. If it was the PP or Nav then I'd wait, but for a camera gimmick? No way - take it off! Just my opinion of course. :smiley:
Couldn't agree more. But then its not me its affecting :wink:
Madness to add 6-8 week delay. Bonkers!
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I'm glad I am not the only one wondering what the use of the camera is. The rear sensors will do a decent job of helping you to park.
Are people planning on using it as a spy tool or something! I never had sensors or camera on my Scirocco and never had any issues parking it and the rear visibility is pretty shoddy.
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The GTI does have decent rear visibility.
My car has Parking sensors and Reverse camera and I would say the Reverse camera is more useful than the Parking sensors which can actually be a bit annoying at times.
It's not something I had on the check list when looking for the car but it is a nice gadget.
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I picked it because it was cool and cheap.
Problem is without them saying to me (in writing, e.g. email) that removing it will bring me order forward and not push it back there is no way I'm going to go around speculatively removing things to see what happens. For all we know trying to take the camera off now would bump you back to the bottom of the queue.
If they could actually provide some proper information it would be different. That is going to be my focus today. If they bump my BW back again then I'm not hanging up until they give me the exact reason why, or admit they are just bumping it back by a week each week because they don't know jack. If its the second case then I want to know how many orders they received prior to mine and where I sit in the queue in relation to that number.
I don't have high hopes for answers but by making them go through the logic I'd like to get them to admit its unreasonable what they are telling us.
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Oh and on the parking sensors... my wife has to park too. And I would like my paint to remain unscratched.
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I'm with Bill on this. if I knew when the car will be built with the camera option on or off then I could make a decision but as it is I don't know whether it would be better or worse..... We NEED information VW!!
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Exactly my thinking also Bill - I've specced the camera, but without an absolute guarantee that removing it will bring the order forward, I'm not making any changes.
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Camera is less of a gimmick than keyless entry which serves no purpose at all in my eyes. Maybe if you have a few shopping bags but its not worth £300 odd quid. Anything that aids you parking your pride and joy can only be a help as more and more these days its getting harder and harder to park in these ever tightening car park spaces. Lighting in car parks is generally poor so the more you can visually see the better. The sensors only go part of the way to helping so having the camera in addition will only help. This is just my opinion of course.
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The sensors don't even come close to the camera in my view.
Had the camera on my Mk6 and have sensors on current car and would pay for the camera every time. In no way a gimmick. My opinion of course.
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Gimmick: A trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business.
Not sure many of the options on the car could be "intended to attract attention" besides the paint and wheels. Although I suppose you could say they are intending to attract attention from potential buyers in the showroom... which makes virtually everything a gimmick!
I guess by gimmick people often mean "not my priority". For example Mcmaddy isn't interested in keyless, but I'm keen to have it. For me Dynaudio is not worth having yet for others they wouldn't do without it.
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I picked it because it was cool and cheap.
This is exactly the reason why I chose Park assist, For only £145 I can spend all day sitting in the car while it parks itself (no need for the camera).
I also wanted Keyless but I park my car right next to the house so there is a very real chance that it will not lock ever, I had thoughts of getting up every morning to find it parked in the middle of the road with all the doors open.
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Gimmick: A trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business.
Not sure many of the options on the car could be "intended to attract attention" besides the paint and wheels. Although I suppose you could say they are intending to attract attention from potential buyers in the showroom... which makes virtually everything a gimmick!
I guess by gimmick people often mean "not my priority". For example Mcmaddy isn't interested in keyless, but I'm keen to have it. For me Dynaudio is not worth having yet for others they wouldn't do without it.
Gimmick as in, "hey passenger look at this extra that looks great" but serves no function. Its function can't be argued. It just depends how much you value it.
When I ordered it for the MK6 I must admit I thought it would be a gimmick especially for the price (Think it was £125) but couldn't believe how useful it was. When I went to change the car last year the only 2 options I wanted on a new GTD was wheels and the camera.
Like you say though, what some would class as must haves others wouldn't look at twice, but gimmick its certainly not.
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This is exactly the reason why I chose Park assist, For only £145 I can spend all day sitting in the car while it parks itself (no need for the camera).
I also wanted Keyless but I park my car right next to the house so there is a very real chance that it will not lock ever, I had thoughts of getting up every morning to find it parked in the middle of the road with all the doors open.
The camera isn't just useful for actual parking manoeuvres, it's for whenever you reverse the car in any situation. A steal at the price IMO, but I ditched the Park Assist as I have no problem parking and my mate has it on his focus, never uses it apart from to show mates...so never uses it because we've all seen it now!
Funnily enough, we had a chat about keyless at work today, and that kinda' subject came up. According to the VW blurb, the key needs to be within about 1.5m of the car.
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This is exactly the reason why I chose Park assist, For only £145 I can spend all day sitting in the car while it parks itself (no need for the camera).
I also wanted Keyless but I park my car right next to the house so there is a very real chance that it will not lock ever, I had thoughts of getting up every morning to find it parked in the middle of the road with all the doors open.
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The camera isn't just useful for actual parking manoeuvres, it's for whenever you reverse the car in any situation. A steal at the price IMO, but I ditched the Park Assist as I have no problem parking and my mate has it on his focus, never uses it apart from to show mates...so never uses it because we've all seen it now!
Funnily enough, we had a chat about keyless at work today, and that kinda' subject came up. According to the VW blurb, the key needs to be within about 1.5m of the car.
The keyless entry is actually really easy. You know the car is definitely locked when you touch the handle and the wing mirrors fold in so it gives you a high degree of confidence that the car is locked. It's only unlocked when you put you go to grab the handle. Simples :smiley: :smiley:
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The keyless entry is actually really easy. You know the car is definitely locked when you touch the handle and the wing mirrors fold in so it gives you a high degree of confidence that the car is locked. It's only unlocked when you put you go to grab the handle. Simples :smiley: :smiley:
Yeah exactly, but I think the worry is that some people need to park their car close to the house such that there might be a chance that even though the key is indoors, somebody could walk up to the handle, open it, and start the car. Naturally if this happened and they stopped the engine, or stalled it, they wouldn't be able to start it again.
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The keyless entry is actually really easy. You know the car is definitely locked when you touch the handle and the wing mirrors fold in so it gives you a high degree of confidence that the car is locked. It's only unlocked when you put you go to grab the handle. Simples :smiley: :smiley:
Yeah exactly, but I think the worry is that some people need to park their car close to the house such that there might be a chance that even though the key is indoors, somebody could walk up to the handle, open it, and start the car. Naturally if this happened and they stopped the engine, or stalled it, they wouldn't be able to start it again.
I might be wrong but I don't think they would get very far because the car very quickly detects that the key is not in close proximity and the engine switches off
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I might be wrong but I don't think they would get very far because the car very quickly detects that the key is not in close proximity and the engine switches off
I guess that makes sense, and is easy for the car to detect a diminishing signal...just don't want the battery in the fob dying during a motorway run and the car shutting off ;) I'm sure that wouldn't happen anyway, VW must have covered all the obvious bases...I hope!
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I have Keyless and Rear Camera both excellent additions IMO. Not at all gimmicks, in fact I can not see any factory build options which are gimmicks. Just some things buyers want and other buyers do not, all about personal preferences.
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The keyless entry is actually really easy. You know the car is definitely locked when you touch the handle and the wing mirrors fold in so it gives you a high degree of confidence that the car is locked. It's only unlocked when you put you go to grab the handle. Simples :smiley: :smiley:
Yeah exactly, but I think the worry is that some people need to park their car close to the house such that there might be a chance that even though the key is indoors, somebody could walk up to the handle, open it, and start the car. Naturally if this happened and they stopped the engine, or stalled it, they wouldn't be able to start it again.
I might be wrong but I don't think they would get very far because the car very quickly detects that the key is not in close proximity and the engine switches off
Nope, it'll keep going until it is either turned off by the button on the dash or it's stalled.
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Spoke to VW Customer Services yday. They say rear camera will not be making a comeback. Question is whether believe them or not (:
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So does this apply to orders with the camera already listed or only to new orders?
What the hell happened, did the supplier to bust? They can't get an alternate supplier?
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all this for granny to come along and tw4t into your cars bumpers anyway.
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all this for granny to come along and tw4t into your cars bumpers anyway.
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I think you misunderstand. I use the camera to make it easier to hit grannies when reversing.
Also, does anyone have an email address for the VW exec customer services? Don't want to call as I'm abroad and the luxurycars@volkswagen.co.uk but they never reply to this one...
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Hi guys,
they pretty much said that it's only a matter of time before they remove it from everyones order
I don't now if I believe them
I believe I have escalated it as far as possible to get put back on my order and VW deny any responsibility and say the dealer should pro actively seen that changing my order would remove the camera.
i also emailed the top tog but no response
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Hi guys,
they pretty much said that it's only a matter of time before they remove it from everyones order
I don't now if I believe them
I believe I have escalated it as far as possible to get put back on my order and VW deny any responsibility and say the dealer should pro actively seen that changing my order would remove the camera.
i also emailed the top tog but no response
I hope this isn't the case and that orders where it has been specced and accepted are honoured.
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Hi guys,
they pretty much said that it's only a matter of time before they remove it from everyones order
I don't now if I believe them
I believe I have escalated it as far as possible to get put back on my order and VW deny any responsibility and say the dealer should pro actively seen that changing my order would remove the camera.
i also emailed the top tog but no response
I'm going to assume you don't have a build week confirmed.............
I hope this isn't the case and that orders where it has been specced and accepted are honoured.
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Nope. Unconfirmed BW39. Has been static at this. Hoping to see it go confirmed in a couple of weeks.
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Right, just had a long conversation with one of the nicest guys at my dealership where I ordered, and he's the mobility salesman (wish I'd had got him looking after my order). He;'s got no axe to grind with me and always give me honest unbiased answers, and he's been there for over 20 years, so is well versed with VW's shenanigans (a.k.a. bullsh1t !)
He looked up my order on the system and said that yes, it hadn't been started yet, however, as someone else had explained, build weeks are up to Sunday night as the factory is working 7 days a week, so said it was nothing to worry about. There were no delays flagged and that being the case (jokingly) he said he's bet me £50 that by Sunday night or latest Monday evening, I'll have word that the car was built......hmmm well see......
He did tell me that the internal bulletin over the issue with supply on rear view cameras was 100% true, and that they (and every dealer) had been told by VW some weeks ago that any cars ordered for stock or as demonstrators, that were specced with the camera, will have them automatically removed, to free up stock for existing customer orders which had confirmed build dates, but that new customer orders won't be accepted until further notice with the parking camera.
So, all in all, if he' s correct, existing orders that have been confirmed will have the camera supplied. The mysterious thing is he said they asked what the issue was, and were told by VW UK, they didn't know. It's great that the UK importer of the brand doesn't know what's going on within their own factory !
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Just to add to the fun the new facelift Skoda Yeti trumpets the fact that a rear view camera is a new option. Obviously Skoda have a mate at the suppliers. :nerd:
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VW not able to supply .....Cars apparently