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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Simon C on 29 July 2013, 00:34
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Dear All
It is great to become a member of this forum and I have spent the last few hours (and weeks for that matter) researching what will soon be an important purchase for me. I am hoping some of you can help me with it....
I am currently driving a lease car. BMW 123d - 200 bhp, 2 litre. I have almost had it 4 years and its now time for it to go back. Currently do about 17,000 miles per year - about 7,000 of those are work related. I therefore pay my own fuel for the 10,000 or so private miles. I have been happy with it, but great opportunity for a change.
4 years ago at time of signing for the BMW I was really close to going for the Golf GTI mark 6 - but I was not happy with the changes made to the front / face of the car. I also let my head rule as I knew it would be cheaper to run than the golf gti. But I must be honest I had spent month researching the GTI....sporty looks, head-turner, it had made a mark on me.
Anyway, decision time has come again. I think the new GTI looks immense and sharper and more muscly than the mark 6 so much so that I am in process of arranging a test-drive. I have done the numbers and on the whole I think it would cost me about £100 per month more to fund and run than the GTD or A3 I mention below.
Then on other side the new GTD mark 7 looks ace, benefit being I would probably get more like 45 MPG compared to the 35 MPG of the GTI. That would end up saving me a few quid. But I don't think it has the prestige of the GTI.
Then to complicate matters, I have looked outside VW and noticed the new A3 s-line. This has 150 bhp and looks sharp. I test drove it and on the whole it was good, nice cabin, but it did feel a bit flat compared to my current bmw. I have priced it up and it would essentially cost me the same as a new GTD. It looks great from the front, but not from all angles (though that may be my eyes).
So, I suspect the majority of you are GTI addicts...and perhaps biased :-). But given most of you do drive Golfs I am hoping you can share some honest thoughts on what you know and have experienced with the GTI and GTD.
My heart tells me GTI....the brand and prestige of that car I think blows the GTD and A3 into another planet. I have priced it up and could absorb the extra costs. But I still feel like I need to be convinced...perhaps the test drive will remove any doubts? Can any of you guys add anything that I have yet to consider?
Thanks all. Hopefully your advice can help me make the right decision.
Best wishes
Si
p.s., I was thinking of the 19" alloys and sunset red as optional extras. Also 3-door version - no kids / dogs etc so no real need for the extra space.
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Well I came from a BMW 3 Coupe to a MK6 GT Diesel. I have now ordered the GTD.
Company car driver myself.
Although I love the GTI - and the cost is only a small amount as far as lease rental - its the BIK that makes the bigger difference.
The extra least cost and BIK combined make the difference in cost between a GTI and a GTD too great.
If your lease company are like mine - they can arrange a test drive weekend for each car - see what you think.
I think you will be surprised with both the GTI and GTD, although there is nothing wrong with the Audi.
Just don't forget the BIK in your costing's.
Hope that helps
Rik
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You really need to drive both to make your mind up as you're not Diesel averse. Is the GTI worth paying £100 a month more for? Only you can decide that.
The GTD has the best single turbo 2.0-2.2 diesel engine out there. Quiet, smooth, more economical than most, lots of torque and lots of power (for a single turbo). Apart from the engine differences, wheel differences (some GTI people have professed their preference for the Nogaros) and a few red bits here and there it is the same as a GTI. The standard equipment levels are excellent, the residuals are excellent so it really just comes down to a GTI or GTD unless you covet the Audi badge which will give you less equipment and a lower output engine for the same-ish price. If you are used to 200PS in the BMW then the 50PS drop to the A3 might be too much to bear.
Like you I disliked the MK6 - I was pushed towards Scirocco but am coming back to a MK7.
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Si,
As Monkeyhanger says you must test drive both (plenty of demo's around now) to help make up your mind.
After I test drove the GTI I was smitten (plus I've always wanted one since I was I kid and now I'm lucky enough to afford one).
I very nearly bought a BMW 123d coupe last year but when I saw the very first pics of the mk7 GTI/GTD I made the decision to wait. Getting a bit old now the 1 series coupe but I still love it's idiosyncratic looks.
Get test driving!
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If you're coming from a 123d then the diesal A3 will feel like a tank - it'll be so slow in comparison. I drove an A3 S-line 1.8 petrol Quattro on Saturday and even that felt slow compared to the GTI (noticeably so as well). The amount of miles you're doing the GTD is the sensible choice, pretty quick and economical. If you can afford it the GTI is in a different league. I'm not just saying that as I've ordered one, this is based on my own driving experience.
Why not another Beemer ie. 125d or do you fancy a change? IMO life's too short to worry about £100 a month if that's what your figures say, so there's only one choice really!!
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I was in a similar position weighing up between the GTI / GTD / A3 / 1 Series (amongst others!).
For me it eventually came down to the cheaper GTD...or go with my heart and get the GTI.
My mileage varies but I’m currently doing around 15,000 miles a year, of which a good percentage are personal so I can understand the GTD being a persuasive proposition. For me it was game over after the test drive – it had to be the GTI, despite the additional monthly cost!
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I too looked at all the above. I really liked the A3 the cabin was nicer. But, I felt the Golf was a better all round package. I then arranged a test drive for myself and the wife and the GTI won. I only cover about 8000 miles a year and the GTI was the car for me.
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GOLF GTI
WE LOVE YOU TILL WE DIE
PERFECT IN OUR EYE
NO NEED TO BE SHY
ANY OTHER CHOICE IS A LIE
THE PRETENDERS TRY TRY TRY
BMW, AUDI, BYE BYE BYE
ONLY ONE GTI
THE GOLF GTI
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GOLF GTI
WE LOVE YOU TILL WE DIE
PERFECT IN OUR EYE
NO NEED TO BE SHY
ANY OTHER CHOICE IS A LIE
THE PRETENDERS TRY TRY TRY
BMW, AUDI, BYE BYE BYE
ONLY ONE GTI
THE GOLF GTI
I'm sure this is the excellent advice you were looking for, it is my pleasure to help you Happy GTI Buying!
RunningMan have you been down in your special place in the garden with your "cigarettes" :grin:
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GOLF GTI
WE LOVE YOU TILL WE DIE
PERFECT IN OUR EYE
NO NEED TO BE SHY
ANY OTHER CHOICE IS A LIE
THE PRETENDERS TRY TRY TRY
BMW, AUDI, BYE BYE BYE
ONLY ONE GTI
THE GOLF GTI
I'm sure this is the excellent advice you were looking for, it is my pleasure to help you Happy GTI Buying!
RunningMan have you been down in your special place in the garden with your "cigarettes" :grin:
no matchboy, I have taken to poetry, the forum and posters are inspiring me to new works of ART :wink:
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You are a modern day WH Auden RunningMan, when your famous we can say we heard it here first! :laugh:
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You are a modern day WH Auden RunningMan, when your famous we can say we heard it here first! :laugh:
Lay your sleeping head, my love, Human on my faithless arm; Time and fevers burn away Individual beauty from Thoughtful children, and the grave Proves the child ephemeral: But in my arms till break of day Let the living creature lie, Mortal, guilty, but to me The entirely beautiful. Soul and body have no bounds: To lovers as they lie upon Her tolerant enchanted slope In their ordinary swoon, Grave the vision Venus sends Of supernatural sympathy, Universal love and hope; While an abstract insight wakes Among the glaciers and the rocks The hermit's carnal ecstasy. Certainty, fidelity On the stroke of midnight pass Like vibrations of a bell, And fashionable madmen raise Their pedantic boring cry: Every farthing of the cost, All the dreaded cards foretell, Shall be paid, but from this night Not a whisper, not a thought, Not a kiss nor look be lost. Beauty, midnight, vision dies: Let the winds of dawn that blow Softly round your dreaming head Such a day of welcome show Eye and knocking heart may bless, Find the mortal world enough; Noons of dryness find you fed By the involuntary powers, Nights of insult let you pass Watched by every human love.
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I'll have a pint of whatever 'Running Man' is on please Mr Barman! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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I was the same, I had an s-line A3 spec'd up and was ready to sign on the dotted line, then I went on a trackday and drove a GTR Skyline and remembered that driving could be fun, and I ditched the A3 for the GTI.
From my point of view, if I got the A3, I would enjoy it, and wouldn't mind driving it..but I'd be thinking about the GTI a lot. Whereas, if I had the GTI, I don't think I would think about the A3 at all. Kind of like going out with Wilma Flintstone, you'd be thinking about Betty Rubble most of the time.. :wink:
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Si,
As Monkeyhanger says you must test drive both (plenty of demo's around now) to help make up your mind.
After I test drove the GTI I was smitten (plus I've always wanted one since I was I kid and now I'm lucky enough to afford one).
I very nearly bought a BMW 123d coupe last year but when I saw the very first pics of the mk7 GTI/GTD I made the decision to wait. Getting a bit old now the 1 series coupe but I still love it's idiosyncratic looks.
Get test driving!
Hi mate, good tip.....test drives now lined up for the back end of the week. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Si
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Well I came from a BMW 3 Coupe to a MK6 GT Diesel. I have now ordered the GTD.
Company car driver myself.
Although I love the GTI - and the cost is only a small amount as far as lease rental - its the BIK that makes the bigger difference.
The extra least cost and BIK combined make the difference in cost between a GTI and a GTD too great.
If your lease company are like mine - they can arrange a test drive weekend for each car - see what you think.
I think you will be surprised with both the GTI and GTD, although there is nothing wrong with the Audi.
Just don't forget the BIK in your costing's.
Hope that helps
Rik
Hi Rik, thanks for your feedback. It has been a ball-ache getting the BIK and personal contribution costs properly worked out. Even had to see the dudes at work in the Payroll team to talk me through it. Think I have got it sussed now. Cheers, Si
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If you're coming from a 123d then the diesal A3 will feel like a tank - it'll be so slow in comparison. I drove an A3 S-line 1.8 petrol Quattro on Saturday and even that felt slow compared to the GTI (noticeably so as well). The amount of miles you're doing the GTD is the sensible choice, pretty quick and economical. If you can afford it the GTI is in a different league. I'm not just saying that as I've ordered one, this is based on my own driving experience.
Why not another Beemer ie. 125d or do you fancy a change? IMO life's too short to worry about £100 a month if that's what your figures say, so there's only one choice really!!
Matchboy, thanks for the response. I did consider the 125 D......but yeah like you say, fancied a change. I also agree £100??? life is too short. Hopefully the test drives I have planned will show that it is worth it. Best wishes, Si
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I was in a similar position weighing up between the GTI / GTD / A3 / 1 Series (amongst others!).
For me it eventually came down to the cheaper GTD...or go with my heart and get the GTI.
My mileage varies but I’m currently doing around 15,000 miles a year, of which a good percentage are personal so I can understand the GTD being a persuasive proposition. For me it was game over after the test drive – it had to be the GTI, despite the additional monthly cost!
Cheers for replying Thornster. That is also what im thinking and I think the test drives will prove the GTI is king. Lets see how the drives pan out. Cheers mate. Si
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I was the same, I had an s-line A3 spec'd up and was ready to sign on the dotted line, then I went on a trackday and drove a GTR Skyline and remembered that driving could be fun, and I ditched the A3 for the GTI.
From my point of view, if I got the A3, I would enjoy it, and wouldn't mind driving it..but I'd be thinking about the GTI a lot. Whereas, if I had the GTI, I don't think I would think about the A3 at all. Kind of like going out with Wilma Flintstone, you'd be thinking about Betty Rubble most of the time.. :wink:
Hi Mistertee, yeah that is what im thinking....the A3 and GTD will be like 2nd best! Good point made and similar to the other guys....the class and all round attraction of the GTI seems to be winning out here. Thanks for taking to reply mate. Si
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The same line up for me also Simon, but i'm coming from an A1 S-line Black Edition 185, and trying to save a few pounds on fuel, so will have to be one of the oil burners.
In the running is Golf GTD DSG(driven both GTD and GTI, and the GTI is awesome) and the A3 Sportback S-line S-tronic 2.00 TDI 150.
But just to throw a spanner in the works, the A3 is available to order with 2.00 TDI 184 S-tronic and Quattro!
http://www.audi.co.uk/new-cars/a3/a3-sportback/specifications.html (http://www.audi.co.uk/new-cars/a3/a3-sportback/specifications.html)
Bottom line though will come to price and feel, and after owning the previous A3 sportback (which i got bored with driving after 3-4 months), and an R32 and Mk5 Golf 2.00 TDI 4-motion, will be hedging towards the GTD.
At least the golf is heavily specced, unlike the A3 which you always have to add the basic stuff like parking sensors and cruise control.
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The same line up for me also Simon, but i'm coming from an A1 S-line Black Edition 185, and trying to save a few pounds on fuel, so will have to be one of the oil burners.
In the running is Golf GTD DSG(driven both GTD and GTI, and the GTI is awesome) and the A3 Sportback S-line S-tronic 2.00 TDI 150.
But just to throw a spanner in the works, the A3 is available to order with 2.00 TDI 184 S-tronic and Quattro!
http://www.audi.co.uk/new-cars/a3/a3-sportback/specifications.html (http://www.audi.co.uk/new-cars/a3/a3-sportback/specifications.html)
Bottom line though will come to price and feel, and after owning the previous A3 sportback (which i got bored with driving after 3-4 months), and an R32 and Mk5 Golf 2.00 TDI 4-motion, will be hedging towards the GTD.
At least the golf is heavily specced, unlike the A3 which you always have to add the basic stuff like parking sensors and cruise control.
Are you a fan of DSG/S-tronic, or have you just been pushed into it by Audi tending to sometimes offer certain engines with auto only? Not a fan myself, but if you are, my dad is struggling to do 50mpg in his new GTD DSG right now, the DSG box seems quite thirsty! You can't beat GTI/GTD for equipment - Audi will cost you quite a bit more to spec similarly. How is the A1 S-line? The missus has her eye on the A1 S-line with 1.4TSI 140 (cylinder on demand).
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Is that the DSG or just the way he drives it! :tongue: Didn't you previously say he has a heavy foot? :whistle:
Will be a shame if the DSG noticeably cuts economy.
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Hi Monkeyhanger,
My wife will only drive an auto now, so the spec has to be DSG, had quite a few now in various Audi's and VW's but i have now been converted over the last 7 years.
The A1 185 is only available in DSG, so was pushed into that one, if they had done a 2.00 TDI in DSG then i would of bought that, but manual only. But when launching to 60 in 6.9 seconds in the 185, 2 hands on the steering wheel is best. It's funny how 185 bhp is so different in diesel GTD and the A1, but a compromise has to be made lol.
In S-line the spec is good, and comes with 17"s as standard, mine is the black edition, which was only about another £1100 at the time, which is personally easily worth the extra kit. But i have found the tyres are not a standard size and cost a bloody fortune (£250 at Kwikfit in an emergency, and no spare 225 35 R18).
The A1 does drive really well, the build and quality is excellent. Probably worth asking some questions about the COD engine on the A1 forum.
http://www.a1-forum.co.uk/a1forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7672&hilit=tdi+grey+edition (http://www.a1-forum.co.uk/a1forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7672&hilit=tdi+grey+edition)
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Is that the DSG or just the way he drives it! :tongue: Didn't you previously say he has a heavy foot? :whistle:
Will be a shame if the DSG noticeably cuts economy.
I think it is a given that it will cut econmomy given that the CO2 ratings are 10 higher for the manual in the petrol version anyway.
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Is that the DSG or just the way he drives it! :tongue: Didn't you previously say he has a heavy foot? :whistle:
Will be a shame if the DSG noticeably cuts economy.
He does like to cruise the motorway at 90mph if he doesn't stand out doing it. Even on paper though the GTD DSG is about 10% thirstier than the manual version (similar for the GTI also) and kicks out more CO2 as a result. The GTD DSG seemed to be geared up the same as my manual Scirocco (2200rpm@80mph) - perhaps the manual is geared a little taller given it's power and torque gains over the 170TDI (probably same in the GTI given it's large torque increase over the MK6).
You've got to consider some running in gains, but I do think it's something VW like to fall back on when you mention that fuel economy isn't as good as you'd have hoped. On the Demo GTD DSG test drive last week I did a round trip of 64 miles, some strictly to the speed limit driving of a few miles at each end and about 2 x 25 miles of dual carriageway cruising at up to 80mph, no aircon or ADC on and the car achieved 50.3mpg indicated. I'd have easily done 56mpg for the same journey in my manual 170TDI Scirocco which has no eco-tech on it. Allowing 10% DSG penalty, the demo GTD performed comparably to my Scirocco, so i'd take the published mpg values (initially at least) with a pinch of salt - the demo had just under 900 miles on it.
The S-line A1 interior is great - especially those seats, the GTI/DSG seats look very ordinary in comparison.
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We got to the bottom of the DSG thirst on another thread.
Basically, there are two types of DSG box. The first is a 7 speed 'dry' box which is only fitted to the lower power cars (up to 150 PS I think), and the second is a 6 speed 'wet' box which can take more power. The former, being dry, is more like a traditional clutch which doesn't drain power due to fluid friction like the latter does. The former also weighs about 20kg less, in part due to not being full of oil! You can see this in the figures. Both on the Audi and Golf, the 1.4 140PS engine with cylinder deactivation mated to a DSG gives better economy than the manual, whereas, for the higher power variants, the opposite is the case - the manual is more efficient (though probably slower in real life due to us all being a bit crap at changing gears most of the time!)
What is a bit odd though is that even this wet DSG was listed as being more economical than the manual in the Mk5 gti, something I can't really explain.
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A little more on the A3 TDI 184 Quattro.
http://fourtitude.com/news/Audi_News_1/lowest-co2-and-led-light-for-new-184ps-audi-a3-tdi/
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A little more on the A3 TDI 184 Quattro.
http://fourtitude.com/news/Audi_News_1/lowest-co2-and-led-light-for-new-184ps-audi-a3-tdi/
Worth considering in 3 door, but 5 door guise looks like an estate car (I suppose it is!). LED pack is quite the premium - £2000, for a 5W/11% saving vs 45W Xenons. S-line interiors on Audi's are great, but you'll probably be an easy £5k more than a GTD for similar equipment levels.
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The other thing that surprised me is that the standard A3 has less space than the golf. To get 'golf like' space, you have to go for the A3 sportback. (So unlike the golf, where the 3 door and 5 door both have the same space).
Originally, I'd thought about the sportback as an alternative to the golf with 'just a bit more space', but that isn't how it works...
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Hi guys,
well i've made the decision not to wait for build on a GTD, but have gone for a new A3 Sportback TDI 184 Quattro S-line S-tronic.
This will happen on the 1st September for a 63 plate, the car is already built, so just had to ring around a few dealers and check colour spec and haggle for discount (thanks to Carwow). So only a 1 week wait. ;)
She will be in Glacier white, with sat nav and heated seats.
Got to say the drive was excellent, and maybe worth considering for potential GTD or even GTI drivers, with the extra grip from the 4 wheel drive, and 0-60 in 6.9 seconds, so not too shabby from the 184.
I'll still be nipping in, love the banter and the BMW threads, nice choice Bill.
Laters,
Dan.
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And another one bites the dust - VW....... WTF are you doing?
Right - off to check out the A3 Quattro :)
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Hi guys,
well i've made the decision not to wait for build on a GTD, but have gone for a new A3 Sportback TDI 184 Quattro S-line S-tronic.
This will happen on the 1st September for a 63 plate, the car is already built, so just had to ring around a few dealers and check colour spec and haggle for discount (thanks to Carwow). So only a 1 week wait. ;)
She will be in Glacier white, with sat nav and heated seats.
Got to say the drive was excellent, and maybe worth considering for potential GTD or even GTI drivers, with the extra grip from the 4 wheel drive, and 0-60 in 6.9 seconds, so not too shabby from the 184.
I'll still be nipping in, love the banter and the BMW threads, nice choice Bill.
Laters,
Dan.
I always thought that the high output 2.0TDI's main trouble with 0-62 times was putting the power down. 0.6s less for the inclusion of Quattro and a tiny saving in weight. It was the same story with the Audi TT 170TDI Quattro (7.5s) vs MK6 GTD/170TDI Scirocco (8.1s). Not much fuel penalty for the quattro, but the S-tronic will affect the mpg by about 10%. Were you after an auto or was it the choice of what was already built and in the dealership network? Buying A3 doiesn't really hurt VAG as a whole, but maybe if enough people do it then VW will get to hear about how sh!te they've been.
I still think that the dealerships need to moan more on our behalf, they are hurting in depreciating p/x's. My dealer will be lucky to make a grandf off my p/x now I reckon. I took a WBAC.com quotation again the other day, about 6 weeks after the last one and my car's worth to them has dipped £1300 in that time.
I gave the A3 some serious thought lately but my GTD finally went into transit overnight.
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I gave the A3 some serious thought lately but my GTD finally went into transit overnight.
If the 184PS A3 had been on my company car list at my time of ordering (and I knew about the ridiculous wait) I'd have gone for it completely. I love my A4, it looks great, has plenty of ooomph and really I don't have a bad word against it. Bit of a no brainer really - wonder if my lease company have added the the A3 yet and I can change??? :whistle:
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Hello, Im currently waiting for my GTD to arrive due end of September... I have previously had 5 x A3's in the past in various flavours all from new favourite been a diesel sline quattro. Also had a black edition but that was stolen and broken down for parts :huh:
I personally think the latest A3 looks boring which is why I went for the golf this time.
But if you like the looks etc I can't fault the A3 if not more expensive with extras.
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Currently have an A3 s line and was seriously considering the new A3...but its to, well, samey for me! The new S3 looks tremendous though, quad tail pipes though...looks awesome! However, from speaking with a lad at Stirling Audi, there are no deals to be had on any A3 at the moment, just what ive heard
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Hi Monkeyhanger, i was after the S-tronic (DSG), really enjoy punching the accelerator and keeping 2 hands on the steering wheel. :wink:
The A3 184 is front wheel drive + manual, or quattro + s-tronic only, so only 2 choices there.
VirginVWman, of course Audi will tell you there are no deals, mine told me twice there was NO dealer discount but eventually they did. Use carwow, find the dealers who will discount, VW or Audi, and if your local dealer wants an easy deal, they will discount to price match with these. :whistle:
The S3 looks amazing, and my TDIQ isn't far off the price, but i know i'll get fed up filling up an S3 every week.
Me109, yes, i agree the looks are very conservative on the A3, but with the LED's and the S-line kit, gives it a nice stance, the GTD i think will always look more aggressive, even more than the new Golf R.
Theflash, lol.
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Just to draw a line under this thread, I did make a decision and the test-drives etc and decision making factors are fully detailed here...http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=258368.0
Just need to wait now :cry:
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Just to draw a line under this thread, I did make a decision and the test-drives etc and decision making factors are fully detailed here...http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=258368.0
Just need to wait now :cry:
Stick it in the spec thread above
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Hi guys,
well i've made the decision not to wait for build on a GTD, but have gone for a new A3 Sportback TDI 184 Quattro S-line S-tronic.
This will happen on the 1st September for a 63 plate, the car is already built, so just had to ring around a few dealers and check colour spec and haggle for discount (thanks to Carwow). So only a 1 week wait. ;)
She will be in Glacier white, with sat nav and heated seats.
Got to say the drive was excellent, and maybe worth considering for potential GTD or even GTI drivers, with the extra grip from the 4 wheel drive, and 0-60 in 6.9 seconds, so not too shabby from the 184.
I'll still be nipping in, love the banter and the BMW threads, nice choice Bill.
Laters,
Dan.
I always thought that the high output 2.0TDI's main trouble with 0-62 times was putting the power down. 0.6s less for the inclusion of Quattro and a tiny saving in weight. It was the same story with the Audi TT 170TDI Quattro (7.5s) vs MK6 GTD/170TDI Scirocco (8.1s). Not much fuel penalty for the quattro, but the S-tronic will affect the mpg by about 10%. Were you after an auto or was it the choice of what was already built and in the dealership network? Buying A3 doiesn't really hurt VAG as a whole, but maybe if enough people do it then VW will get to hear about how sh!te they've been.
I still think that the dealerships need to moan more on our behalf, they are hurting in depreciating p/x's. My dealer will be lucky to make a grandf off my p/x now I reckon. I took a WBAC.com quotation again the other day, about 6 weeks after the last one and my car's worth to them has dipped £1300 in that time.
I gave the A3 some serious thought lately but my GTD finally went into transit overnight.
The 184/Quattro combination has only just come on as a lease option and with my allowance I only would have squeezed to, and with a significant personal uplift to a 3 door Manual A3 S Line with one option.
5 doors was #1 requirement this time around and STronic/DSG was desired also so my original Sportback 150BHP Stronic would have still been my only real choice. So it is quite comforting that did not wait around for the 184BHP/Quattro.
Given my company car park is full of lease cars from all makes I am in a decent position to judge against others by seeing them up close, being out in them and listening to colleagues daily feedback. (BMW for example is a swear word in winter in office when it snows.)
So with regards the 0-60 sec speed of 170BHP engine with and without Quattro? well I can vouch that there is no tramping at all and the Quattro is pretty quick, but having been out in a colleague Scirocco with same engine it did seem just as quick to me off the line and out driving - Have to look up the weights but without doing so I will just say my Quattro is a weighty beast that gives a planted on rails experience but not light and nimble by any means and maybe that weight plays a part?
I have seen some MK7 GTD times on you tube ranging from 6.7sec to 7.1sec 0-60 and even at the maximum figure there, that is more than enough for me.
So the 184BHP/Quattro will no doubt be a great car (if avoid the S Line suspension) but the MK7 GTD will be a lot closer in performance than MK6 GTD and to point it will be in reality be negligible.
The waiting time could have had me doubting my choice but havng seen Sportbacks on road now and being pretty underwhelmed by looks and the cost of an 184BHP Audi then the 5 Door GTD DSG with all standard and selectable options is more so a standout winner than before.