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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Bill_the_Bear on 28 June 2013, 17:48
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I'm beginning to think VW need to raise their game a little when it comes to the dash. Just seen some pics of the new KIA Pro cee'd. Its a much cheaper car, yet comes with a fancy looking colourful TFT display. This is true of many other cars too. In comparison the GTI's dash, where even the MPH numbers and tick marks don't look right is kind of sub par even compared to 10 year old offerings.
Ok, so we get the colour MFD now, but its sandwitched between the old, basic, plasticy dials. Feels like no real effort was put in here to do a good job with old tech, let alone produce something like what KIA have done. Not gonna lose any sleep over this but VW could do better. For the price we're paying... a lot better.
See the below images. Difference is night and day IMHO. :undecided:
KIA's new dash:
(http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/imagecache/file/fit/730x700//media/6211603/kia_proceed_gt_analogue.jpg)
(http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/imagecache/file/fit/730x700//media/6211643/kia_proceed_gt_digital.jpg)
GTI needs to up its game:
(http://i.imgur.com/uMTheQL.png)
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Completely agree. It is looking very dated IMO. I would like more of a graphical display something similar to what's in the LFA would be nice :evil: :evil:
http://youtu.be/N_nFTl1wRew
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Oh dear :undecided: - on so many levels :wink:
Please refrain from looking at Kias :lipsrsealed:
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Oh dear :undecided: - on so many levels :wink:
Please refrain from looking at Kias :lipsrsealed:
What is the problem? I'm not suggesting getting a Kia.
I am saying if a cheaper, inferior car can be fitted with a dash that is 100x better looking than the GTI then I expect VW to be able to do at least the same if not a better job. Frankly the GTI dash isn't even adequate at any price level. The speedo numbers and tick marks are all over the shop! Having alternate small and large numbers hurt my eyes...
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Those are very nice designs those :shocked:
Perhaps its part of the whole. Keeping the GTI in touch with its roots? :) Much like the standard seats :smiley:
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Completely disagree. I hate Honda interiors. Plastic fantastic, looks like an Amstrad mini hifi.
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I have an I Phone, Mac, SKY HD Denon Stereo and all the modern toys but I am also happy that vintage and traditional designs are making a come back and balancing out the obsession with turning everything into a graphic.
So I Personally dislike the display & graphic dials, reminds me of playing my PS3! and much prefer conventional high quality dials with decent lighting.
I do think VW could do a better job on the whole dial package however, that I do not disagree with but if I was offered the choice of the two it would be the VW dials by a country mile such is dislike for PS3 like graphics taking over the world! Not in my car please ;)
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Yes but the GTI dash isn't vintage or traditional. It's cheap. They can't even get the mph numbers the same size. Looks totally crap, even uncomfortable.
I'm all for traditional, but they didn't go for that. I'm even more for cutting edge and awesome looking like the KIA examples, but they didn't go for that. They went for crap plastic dials with a basic MFD in between.
I'm paying for the Pro Nav, at that cost they could have thrown in a fancy TFT dash as well! Just saying, it's hard to find a worse speedo, even a Ford fiesta is a class above the GTi one! :laugh: it's numbers are the right size for one thing.
EDIT: I'd go so far as to say the Kia speedo numbers actually look more traditional! The VW ones look like they picked the first basic font in word and stuck with it. The Kia is also vastly easier to read, but contains more features. This from the part of the car you arguably spend the most time looking at...
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Did agree on VW doing a better job but personally and in general I have a real dislike for PS3 like graphics and given choice would still stay with VW dials.
Cutting edge to some, garish to others ;)
Sounds like a discussion on what looks best a ST or a GTI or a whatever?! Subjectivity you got to love it :)
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I love the look of those 'dials' on the new Kia... Very futuristic... Remind me of the dials on the Lamborghini Aventador. :cool:
However I also like the 'simplicity' of the Golfs dial... I suppose in keeping with the overall conservative styling of the GTi.
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Yes but the GTI dash isn't vintage or traditional. It's cheap. They can't even get the mph numbers the same size. Looks totally crap, even uncomfortable.
I'm all for traditional, but they didn't go for that. I'm even more for cutting edge and awesome looking like the KIA examples, but they didn't go for that. They went for crap plastic dials with a basic MFD in between.
I'm paying for the Pro Nav, at that cost they could have thrown in a fancy TFT dash as well! Just saying, it's hard to find a worse speedo, even a Ford fiesta is a class above the GTi one! :laugh: it's numbers are the right size for one thing.
Totally disagree with you I'm afraid bear. I think the GTI is the perfect balance between the new and classic. The speedo and rev counter are just right.
With the greatest respect :smiley: All Fords dash's are just a mess including the speedo/rev counters IMHO :tongue:
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What is the problem? I'm not suggesting getting a Kia.
I am saying if a cheaper, inferior car can be fitted with a dash that is 100x better looking than the GTI then I expect VW to be able to do at least the same if not a better job. Frankly the GTI dash isn't even adequate at any price level. The speedo numbers and tick marks are all over the shop! Having alternate small and large numbers hurt my eyes...
Sorry, I'm being facetious.
The primary function of a gauge is to disseminate pertinent information to the driver, clearly and concisely. I think the GTI gauges do that pretty well, but of course these things are open to opinion. The UK speedo does look messy with the ring of km/h numbers inside the mph ones though, I'll give you that.
Kia can afford to bung an LCD dash in there because the rest of the car is worth peanuts. Bit like Samsung v's iphone if you like (though iphones are worth peanuts too).
But personally I don't need to know how much torque or turbo boost is going on at any one moment in time - I'm driving the car, not tuning it's engine. I'm sure though as the years go by we'll all end up looking at incomprehenisble game-console graphics instead of a set of proper gauges.
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What is the problem? I'm not suggesting getting a Kia.
I am saying if a cheaper, inferior car can be fitted with a dash that is 100x better looking than the GTI then I expect VW to be able to do at least the same if not a better job. Frankly the GTI dash isn't even adequate at any price level. The speedo numbers and tick marks are all over the shop! Having alternate small and large numbers hurt my eyes...
Sorry, I'm being facetious.
The primary function of a gauge is to disseminate pertinent information to the driver, clearly and concisely. I think the GTI gauges do that pretty well, but of course these things are open to opinion. The UK speedo does look messy with the ring of km/h numbers inside the mph ones though, I'll give you that.
Kia can afford to bung an LCD dash in there because the rest of the car is worth peanuts. Bit like Samsung v's iphone if you like (though iphones are worth peanuts too).
But personally I don't need to know how much torque or turbo boost is going on at any one moment in time - I'm driving the car, not tuning it's engine. I'm sure though as the years go by we'll all end up looking at incomprehenisble game-console graphics instead of a set of proper gauges.
I do think the VW gauges can be better but what I would rather see is improvement to go in to produce genuine high quality dialled instruments than something you would see on an arcade machine!
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I prefer the GTI dials out of those two but i agree they could do with being freshened up a bit, i'm not a big fan of the digital gauges though unless it's a Range Rover! :drool:
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As some of you know already, I am driving a Civic Type-R Championship White. Which although in my personal opinion it is a great car, the dash is a bit all over the place and plastic. It has a digital speedo on one screen then there is a disjointed clock/air con/CD display to the left and then the Sat Nav screen furthest left which displays almost all the same details as the middle screen but indepth. In comparison the GTI dash is much simpler, tidier and higher quality. It's very much a case of less is more. It's not a car for gadgety vulgar dials and displays. I see the GTI after driving 4 Honda's as a refined dash which focuses on smaller accents and quality finishes and dials rather than brash displays and speedos. I'll admit the MFD in the centre could look a little better, it's verging the same quality as dot matrix the resolution is so poor, I mean I half expect a game of the original Donkey Kong to appear on it. But overall the Dash of the GTI is great and stylish... When compared to my current and previous Honda Type-R's.
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The VW is futuristic compared to a BMW dash! Still, all you need to know is how much above the speed limit you are, rest is 'whatever' :laugh:
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I completely agree with Matchboy's post.
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They don't have a GTI equivalent, but compared to regular golf prices :whistle:
http://www.kia.co.uk/new-cars/range/mid-sized-cars/new-proceed/pricing/price-option.aspx
I think it's pretty laughable how Kia and Hyundai feel they have earned their right to charge the same as 'premium' brands.
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If the GTI dash was as nice as the KIA one I'd be really happy driving the car and looking at that dash. Real happy.
Failing that if it was kinda bog standard, well... whatever. Its not even bog standard though, just looks awful. If there was a montage showing lots of different car dashes side by side (and if we could look at the dash in isolation and objectively for a moment) I'm sure most of us would see it how Brad Pit puts it in Moneyball.
"There are good dashboards, and there are bad dashboards. Then there is fifty feet of crap.... and THEN there is the GTI dashboard.
:grin: :grin: :grin:
I love the car but, seriously, I have to look at this crap with the sh!tty font, the random sized numbers and the cheapest plasticy look known to man... yet a chap in a Kia costing about 2/3rds as much gets a fancy display with a font selected to look retro Motorsport, colour and information on a layout that has had thought put into it? You may not like the Kia dash, but you have to agree they have put in EFFORT. VW have clearly not.
All I'm saying...
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Actually even the BMW dash looks better. It may be pretty sh!t too, but at least they have selected a font rather than going with Ariel or whatever, and the numbers are all the same size.
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I haven't had an issue with the mk7 GTi speedo, in fact I didn't even notice the difference in font sizing, was too busy enjoying the ride!
Dave
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VW = Function over fashion
Nuff said.
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Now that's a proper dashboard!! Can anyone guess the make, model and year?
(http://i1330.photobucket.com/albums/w565/Gary_Monkey/image_zpsd90cbbc2.jpg)
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S1 Landrover. 1948?
As for the GTI clocks. The only think I think they could have improved on would have been to not have the kph on the dial as well, and give us a digital readout like the Mk6.
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Kia's dials look really tacky and cheap imo and why do you need to know how much torque you are using, as Bruce Lee said in Enter The Dragon "Don't think' feel"
The Gti's aren't that great tho i have always thought the dials and needles look more premium on Mk5 tdi (not mk5 Gti)
Totally agree with you AAddict about prices of Kia cars not cheap anymore, they make Vw's a no brainer to me if you are spending that amount of money.
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To be fair, the gadget-lover in me likes the idea of a TFT dash, but I actually like the layout and simplicity of the GTI ones. OK so the numbers are not a consistent size, and for me, unnecessarily have KPH stuffed in there, but with a digital speed in the central TFT unit, am I really bothered? Nope.
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To be fair, the gadget-lover in me likes the idea of a TFT dash, but I actually like the layout and simplicity of the GTI ones. OK so the numbers are not a consistent size, and for me, unnecessarily have KPH stuffed in there, but with a digital speed in the central TFT unit, am I really bothered? Nope.
Do the UK spec cars have both mph and kph on the dial? Or was that just the demo cars? I think Dave is the man to answer that!? :laugh:
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To be fair, the gadget-lover in me likes the idea of a TFT dash, but I actually like the layout and simplicity of the GTI ones. OK so the numbers are not a consistent size, and for me, unnecessarily have KPH stuffed in there, but with a digital speed in the central TFT unit, am I really bothered? Nope.
Do the UK spec cars have both mph and kph on the dial? Or was that just the demo cars? I think Dave is the man to answer that!? :laugh:
Very good point! ;)
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As part of my job involves designing displays you will probably find that a screen display will actually be cheaper to produce than standard clocks. As its mainly all programming. :nerd:
I still think if they could have went for a screen and simply showed clocks I think that iirc is what jag and lexus did.
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S1 Landrover. 1948?
Close. It's a 1962 Landrover series IIa :grin:
Still beats the Kia's dash though don't it :wink:
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I never really thought about the speedo dials being dated. There have been attempts in the past to produce 'futuristic' looking dashboard displays, my Astra GTE back from the 90's (I am sure some of you here know what I am going to say) had a yellow on green LCD digital speedo with a 'power curve' rev counter. The fuel and temperature gauges were also displayed in a wedge kind of design.
The digital dashes never really took off and conventional dials are still the norm. That Kia one does look pretty good though!
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What they could have done probably as cheaply is something similar to the jag
Normal looking instruments but they are actually a display
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTc3H9b713Y&sns=em
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What they could have done probably as cheaply is something similar to the jag
Normal looking instruments but they are actually a display
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTc3H9b713Y&sns=em (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTc3H9b713Y&sns=em)
I like that a lot! 8)
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I like the dual mph/kph display.
I drive to Germany a lot so good for me.
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I miss the blue illumination that was in the mk5's.
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I wonder if anyone makes aftermarket or customised displays?
Forget about cost for a moment, if you guys could have any style or function you wanted (including any of the examples in that Jag vid or anything else you could dream up besides) would you go for it?
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I wonder if anyone makes aftermarket or customised displays?
Forget about cost for a moment, if you guys could have any style or function you wanted (including any of the examples in that Jag vid or anything else you could dream up besides) would you go for it?
Call me old fashioned but I'd rather have real needles on real dials :whistle:
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I miss the blue illumination that was in the mk5's.
It was time to move on from that. Blue lighting had been around since the B5 Passat in 1997.
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I miss the blue illumination that was in the mk5's.
It was time to move on from that. Blue lighting had been around since the B5 Passat in 1997.
I missed it too when I got my MK6. But I must say I was seriously impressed with the interior lighting of my new GTI when I sat into it yesterday. It'll look the nuts at night!
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Im glad they got rid of the blue. It hurt my eyes as it was too harsh. I much prefer white or green.
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Wow, a four page thread on the instrument display - had to register to show my love! You guys are almost as OCD as the guys in the North American GT 86/BRZ forum FT86.com - we can argue for 10 pages about whether the twins should have a shark fin antenna or not!
Great forum, lurking as I'm going to be choosing between a Mk 7 PP GTI, Fiesta ST, and a BRZ next year (when the first 2 finally get across the pond).
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Wow, a four page thread on the instrument display - had to register to show my love! You guys are almost as OCD as the guys in the North American GT 86/BRZ forum FT86.com - we can argue for 10 pages about whether the twins should have a shark fin antenna or not!
Great forum, lurking as I'm going to be choosing between a Mk 7 PP GTI, Fiesta ST, and a BRZ next year (when the first 2 finally get across the pond).
No choice there Devon. GTI all the way :smiley: :smiley:
Oh, Welcome to the forum
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Keep it simple and it will work for years to come, just wait for those fancy TFT's to throw a wobbly. I suppose there's only really two things can go wrong with a needle one. The needle falls off or the backing comes off. TFT screens, colours going, lines going, total failure, contrast going.....
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Wow, a four page thread on the instrument display - had to register to show my love! You guys are almost as OCD as the guys in the North American GT 86/BRZ forum FT86.com - we can argue for 10 pages about whether the twins should have a shark fin antenna or not!
Great forum, lurking as I'm going to be choosing between a Mk 7 PP GTI, Fiesta ST, and a BRZ next year (when the first 2 finally get across the pond).
If you are getting one of those 3 I don't think there is any way you can go wrong.
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As much as I agree that the Kia dials do look "Good" and "Modern" and theres nothing really flash or fancy about the GTI dials, I do still think they serve there purpose fine. The problem with the TFT displays is they can just become over cluttered with information that you really don't need to know. It's not like your going to be sat there staring at how much torque you're currently using, I would personally rather be looking out the windscreen and enjoying the drive. There's nothing wrong with a simple, clean, dash.
I would rather VW put in the time, effort, research and money into the mechanics of the car (such as the engine, transmission and turbo) than mess around with making the dials look more modern. Kia's have always focussed more on technology.
I love the blue back-lighting on the MK5's, even if it was/is dated, much cooler than white in my opinion!
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Shame thay dont fit a ''small'' pod on the dash with a couple of gauges in like they did in the
W12 & the centre consol of the MK1 GTI.
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I would rather VW put in the time, effort, research and money into the mechanics of the car (such as the engine, transmission and turbo) than mess around with making the dials look more modern. Kia's have always focussed more on technology.
I love the blue back-lighting on the MK5's, even if it was/is dated, much cooler than white in my opinion!
It would actually be nice if VW spent money on R&D and testing of mechanics of the car!
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Why does it have to be either or? :undecided:
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I have to say I couldn't disagree more with most of what is being said in this thread!
The Golf is classy. Understated. Refined. Class-less. It is the kind of car you can use to pop to the shops for a loaf of bread, or pull up at a black-tie do and get out of with your head held high. You are not screaming "look at me, I'm a flash bugger and I am doing well for myself". You are driving a car that every other family hatch back aspires to be and that has the practicality that other hot-hatches cannot offer. It's the perfect balance of practicality, performance, quality and price.
Why oh why oh why would anybody who has an ounce of class or taste want a dashboard that would do nothing more than cheapen the brand and cheapen the product?
Purely subjective I know, (and I'm probably not making any friends here!) but how anybody in their right mind could choose a Kia, Citroen, Peugeot, Ford, Vauxhall, Honda or pretty much any other brand above VW (or Audi, but that's when you start losing the 'flash bugger' argument) is beyond me.
If you want gimmicks, go to Kia (or Citroen, as they usually whack plenty of gadgets in their cars to mask how woefully bad they are!).
Only my opinion though!! :grin:
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I have to say I couldn't disagree more with most of what is being said in this thread!
The Golf is classy. Understated. Refined. Class-less. It is the kind of car you can use to pop to the shops for a loaf of bread, or pull up at a black-tie do and get out of with your head held high. You are not screaming "look at me, I'm a flash bugger and I am doing well for myself". You are driving a car that every other family hatch back aspires to be and that has the practicality that other hot-hatches cannot offer. It's the perfect balance of practicality, performance, quality and price.
Why oh why oh why would anybody who has an ounce of class or taste want a dashboard that would do nothing more than cheapen the brand and cheapen the product?
Purely subjective I know, (and I'm probably not making any friends here!) but how anybody in their right mind could choose a Kia, Citroen, Peugeot, Ford, Vauxhall, Honda or pretty much any other brand above VW (or Audi, but that's when you start losing the 'flash bugger' argument) is beyond me.
If you want gimmicks, go to Kia (or Citroen, as they usually whack plenty of gadgets in their cars to mask how woefully bad they are!).
Only my opinion though!! :grin:
100% agree with you, great response. :smiley:
The Golf is the Golf, to compare the latest fiesta for example is ridiculous.
The Fords I have owned were all ok but the latest batch and all the other average brands mentioned are cheap playstation looking nasty.
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Why oh why oh why would anybody who has an ounce of class or taste want a dashboard that would do nothing more than cheapen the brand and cheapen the product?
Yes. But (IMO) its the GTI/Golf that has the cheapest speedo with the littlest apparent effort or thought put into it of... well, any car I've ever been in. So why do we want this speedo? I'll say again, it uses some basic font, the numbers are random sizes, its unclear at a glance what speed you're even at because the needle COVERS the numbers and the tick marks are too far out (should be the other way around! in which case the numbers would probably not need to be different sizes). Its a dog's breakfast where even 5 minutes of effort would result in something 100x better. Its like they've never seen how a speedo should look. And all that is assuming you stick with the cheap material dash as it is, I'm not even talking about a digital dash.
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. I'm not promoting Kia or any brand, that is merely an example. I used an example of a cheaper car than a Golf because if I show you a Merc dash or a Jag you're just gonna say "yeah, but you pay 3x as much for those cars". I don't let the Golf off the hook just because it does everything else well, its a £30k car and I expect a better dashboard.
Anyway, perhaps I'll redesign the speedo later on a post an example of what 5mins of design effort can do and therefore why the VW effort gets marks of 1/10 from me.
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Why oh why oh why would anybody who has an ounce of class or taste want a dashboard that would do nothing more than cheapen the brand and cheapen the product?
Yes. But (IMO) its the GTI/Golf that has the cheapest speedo with the littlest apparent effort or thought put into it of... well, any car I've ever been in. So why do we want this speedo? I'll say again, it uses some basic font, the numbers are random sizes, its unclear at a glance what speed you're even at because the needle COVERS the numbers and the tick marks are too far out (should be the other way around! in which case the numbers would probably not need to be different sizes). Its a dog's breakfast where even 5 minutes of effort would result in something 100x better. Its like they've never seen how a speedo should look. And all that is assuming you stick with the cheap material dash as it is, I'm not even talking about a digital dash.
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. I'm not promoting Kia or any brand, that is merely an example. I used an example of a cheaper car than a Golf because if I show you a Merc dash or a Jag you're just gonna say "yeah, but you pay 3x as much for those cars". I don't let the Golf off the hook just because it does everything else well, its a £30k car and I expect a better dashboard.
Anyway, perhaps I'll redesign the speedo later on a post an example of what 5mins of design effort can do and therefore why the VW effort gets marks of 1/10 from me.
If you hate it that much and will be looking at it every few seconds when you drive it why are you buying one?
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If you hate it that much and will be looking at it every few seconds when you drive it why are you buying one?
No car does everything 100% correct. Is nothing on the new GTI you wouldn't change?
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If you hate it that much and will be looking at it every few seconds when you drive it why are you buying one?
No car does everything 100% correct. Is nothing on the new GTI you wouldn't change?
No, and if I didn't like the dash well that's a massive thing to live with if you don't like it ( as you rate it 1 out of 10) I'm baffled by your thread.
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No, and if I didn't like the dash well that's a massive thing to live with if you don't like it ( as you rate it 1 out of 10) I'm baffled by your thread.
Well, I'm glad for you that you've found a car where there is nothing you'd change on it. :huh: Do you really give every single element 10/10 though? Really?
However, I'm baffled that anyone likes a speedo where even basic errors such as the tick marks and numbers being reversed are being committed. Numbers go on the outside beyond the length of the pointer, and ticks go on the inside so you can see accurately the readout when the ticks align with the pointer and the pointer points at the numbers. Its such a noob mistake, and completely unnecessary. Was the design not reviewed? Even so how could anyone make such a massive error in the first place?
Anyway perhaps I'll design my own insert so I don't have to put up with it. :grin:
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No, and if I didn't like the dash well that's a massive thing to live with if you don't like it ( as you rate it 1 out of 10) I'm baffled by your thread.
Well, I'm glad for you that you've found a car where there is nothing you'd change on it. :huh: Do you really give every single element 10/10 though? Really?
However, I'm baffled that anyone likes a speedo where even basic errors such as the tick marks and numbers being reversed are being committed. Numbers go on the outside beyond the length of the pointer, and ticks go on the inside so you can see accurately the readout when the ticks align with the pointer and the pointer points at the numbers. Its such a noob mistake, and completely unnecessary. Was the design not reviewed? Even so how could anyone make such a massive error in the first place?
Anyway perhaps I'll design my own insert so I don't have to put up with it. :grin:
I never said I gave everything 10/10, said I was happy with it all and wouldn't change anything, hence why I'm buying my 4th GTI :smiley:
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I never said I gave everything 10/10, said I was happy with it all and wouldn't change anything, hence why I'm buying my 4th GTI :smiley:
Well, I'm happy with it overall, but I would still change the Speedo for one that meets the basic Speedo standards!
Actually in my case I would like something more advanced, more cutting edge. I think its perfectly possible to make a digital dashboard that is simple, classic, stylish and impressive. Its a real shame VW they didn't in my opinion.
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No, and if I didn't like the dash well that's a massive thing to live with if you don't like it ( as you rate it 1 out of 10) I'm baffled by your thread.
Well, I'm glad for you that you've found a car where there is nothing you'd change on it. :huh: Do you really give every single element 10/10 though? Really?
However, I'm baffled that anyone likes a speedo where even basic errors such as the tick marks and numbers being reversed are being committed. Numbers go on the outside beyond the length of the pointer, and ticks go on the inside so you can see accurately the readout when the ticks align with the pointer and the pointer points at the numbers. Its such a noob mistake, and completely unnecessary. Was the design not reviewed? Even so how could anyone make such a massive error in the first place?
Anyway perhaps I'll design my own insert so I don't have to put up with it. :grin:
I wouldn't rate every individual element of the car as 10/10, but I would say as whole package it is very close to being 10/10 and more of a complete package than any other hatchback out there. No it is not the highest quality car on the market, but for the money nothing comes close.
There is no element of the car that I think is only a 1/10, if there were then I certainly wouldn't buy one and if you honestly detest the dash design so much then you are completely mad for ordering one OR you must love the rest of the car so much that the dash pails into insignificance, in which case stop bloody moaning! :grin:
(I should point out that I merely have a GT on order, not a GTI/GTD. But I would rather have a Golf in GT spec than a Focus ST, Astra VXR, or any other cheap looking, chocolate box plastic piece of crap on the market).
As for your comment about not being able to read the speed because the needle covers the number..... Oh dear, are you sure you should be driving?!! :laugh: If you can read the 20 and the 40, and the needle is in the middle then you are traveling at...... 30!!!!
It is clear, it is simple, it is not trying to be anything it isn't, it is pure class and very tasteful. If I were you I'd cancel your order as 30k is a lot to pay for something that you need to take home and start redesigning once you have collected it from the dealership, rather than being out on the road enjoying the drive!!! :whistle:
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I never said I gave everything 10/10, said I was happy with it all and wouldn't change anything, hence why I'm buying my 4th GTI :smiley:
Well, I'm happy with it overall, but I would still change the Speedo for one that meets the basic Speedo standards!
Actually in my case I would like something more advanced, more cutting edge. I think its perfectly possible to make a digital dashboard that is simple, classic, stylish and impressive. Its a real shame VW they didn't in my opinion.
Ok :laugh:
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Just noticed you ordered a DSG. Maybe VW should remove the gear stick and put a touchscreen in, so you press D for drive or S for Sport etc??!! :sick:
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No, and if I didn't like the dash well that's a massive thing to live with if you don't like it ( as you rate it 1 out of 10) I'm baffled by your thread.
Well, I'm glad for you that you've found a car where there is nothing you'd change on it. :huh: Do you really give every single element 10/10 though? Really?
However, I'm baffled that anyone likes a speedo where even basic errors such as the tick marks and numbers being reversed are being committed. Numbers go on the outside beyond the length of the pointer, and ticks go on the inside so you can see accurately the readout when the ticks align with the pointer and the pointer points at the numbers. Its such a noob mistake, and completely unnecessary. Was the design not reviewed? Even so how could anyone make such a massive error in the first place?
Anyway perhaps I'll design my own insert so I don't have to put up with it. :grin:
I wouldn't rate every individual element of the car as 10/10, but I would say as whole package it is very close to being 10/10 and more of a complete package than any other hatchback out there. No it is not the highest quality car on the market, but for the money nothing comes close.
There is no element of the car that I think is only a 1/10, if there were then I certainly wouldn't buy one and if you honestly detest the dash design so much then you are completely mad for ordering one OR you must love the rest of the car so much that the dash pails into insignificance, in which case stop bloody moaning! :grin:
(I should point out that I merely have a GT on order, not a GTI/GTD. But I would rather have a Golf in GT spec than a Focus ST, Astra VXR, or any other cheap looking, chocolate box plastic piece of crap on the market).
As for your comment about not being able to read the speed because the needle covers the number..... Oh dear, are you sure you should be driving?!! :laugh: If you can read the 20 and the 40, and the needle is in the middle then you are traveling at...... 30!!!!
It is clear, it is simple, it is not trying to be anything it isn't, it is pure class and very tasteful. If I were you I'd cancel your order as 30k is a lot to pay for something that you need to take home and start redesigning once you have collected it from the dealership, rather than being out on the road enjoying the drive!!! :whistle:
Class mate, 100% perfect response :smiley:
The Golf 7 is the leader and I'm sure will be for the next 40+ years :wink:
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No, and if I didn't like the dash well that's a massive thing to live with if you don't like it ( as you rate it 1 out of 10) I'm baffled by your thread.
Well, I'm glad for you that you've found a car where there is nothing you'd change on it. :huh: Do you really give every single element 10/10 though? Really?
However, I'm baffled that anyone likes a speedo where even basic errors such as the tick marks and numbers being reversed are being committed. Numbers go on the outside beyond the length of the pointer, and ticks go on the inside so you can see accurately the readout when the ticks align with the pointer and the pointer points at the numbers. Its such a noob mistake, and completely unnecessary. Was the design not reviewed? Even so how could anyone make such a massive error in the first place?
Anyway perhaps I'll design my own insert so I don't have to put up with it. :grin:
I wouldn't rate every individual element of the car as 10/10, but I would say as whole package it is very close to being 10/10 and more of a complete package than any other hatchback out there. No it is not the highest quality car on the market, but for the money nothing comes close.
There is no element of the car that I think is only a 1/10, if there were then I certainly wouldn't buy one and if you honestly detest the dash design so much then you are completely mad for ordering one OR you must love the rest of the car so much that the dash pails into insignificance, in which case stop bloody moaning! :grin:
(I should point out that I merely have a GT on order, not a GTI/GTD. But I would rather have a Golf in GT spec than a Focus ST, Astra VXR, or any other cheap looking, chocolate box plastic piece of crap on the market).
As for your comment about not being able to read the speed because the needle covers the number..... Oh dear, are you sure you should be driving?!! :laugh: If you can read the 20 and the 40, and the needle is in the middle then you are traveling at...... 30!!!!
It is clear, it is simple, it is not trying to be anything it isn't, it is pure class and very tasteful. If I were you I'd cancel your order as 30k is a lot to pay for something that you need to take home and start redesigning once you have collected it from the dealership, rather than being out on the road enjoying the drive!!! :whistle:
Class mate, 100% perfect response :smiley:
The Golf 7 is the leader and I'm sure will be for the next 40+ years :wink:
I'm sure it will be. Evolution, not revolution. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Bear... I did get a bit carried away and just because my opinion is different to yours it doesn't make me right, or you right, it's all subjective and I suppose that's the beauty of it all; If we all agreed, it would be a very boring place as everybody would drive the same car. Hope I didn't cause any offence and that you took my comments in the light hearted way they were intended :smiley:
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As for your comment about not being able to read the speed because the needle covers the number..... Oh dear, are you sure you should be driving?!! :laugh: If you can read the 20 and the 40, and the needle is in the middle then you are traveling at...... 30!!!!
Too simplistic. Is it 29 or 31? One of them gets you a ticket if you meet a camera. I'll be using the MFD speed. :tongue:
It is clear, it is simple, it is not trying to be anything it isn't, it is pure class and very tasteful. If I were you I'd cancel your order
Err, thats just crazy. I'm much much more interested in the rest of the car and I'm not going to cancel because of one thing I don't like. And the dial is not clear, not simple, not trying at all, certainly not class and not at all tasteful. :whistle:
Just noticed you ordered a DSG. Maybe VW should remove the gear stick and put a touchscreen in, so you press D for drive or S for Sport etc??!! :sick:
Hmm, I guess you're not taking this seriously then. I wasn't aware that the choices were between an awful speedo or putting touchscreens (which I've never mentioned) in places they don't belong. I see you've just now posted that this was all light-hearted jest. Well, I was trying to make a serious point. :sad:
Here are some alternatives, some mechanical, some digital, all of which I think demonstrate designs where significant thought has been put in. Not everyone will like them all, some won't like any. Before anyone piles on the criticism of one or more of these, they are just EXAMPLES. The point is there were many roads that VW could have gone down, yet the one they picked IMO seems to be "crap we forgot the dials, quick you got 30 seconds to design them gogogo." I'm sorry if you genuinely think the VW dials are really good, I'm just presenting the case that I think they should have been better.
Rolls Royce show how to do a classic design
(http://img.showche.com/uploadfile/2010/0709/20100709070753521.jpg)
Holden keep things simple, yet well presented. Of the examples here this one probably suits the GTI the best.
(http://cdn.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Holden-VF-Commodore-instrument-dials-625x416.jpg)
May not be everyones cup of tea but Toyota get the elements relative size bang on
(http://www.automotiveaddicts.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/2009ToyotaVenzaInstrumentCluster01small.jpg)
Very simple Ferrari design
(http://chinese.wsj.com/pictures/photo/BJ20120206122003/06.jpg)
Jag go digital with a classic look
(http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/2f5e5e/556c/12949-dash.jpg)
Lexus go cutting edge
(http://files.tested.com/uploads/0/5/15486-2012_lexus_lfa_gauges.jpg)
Volvo go digital but simple
(http://www.manufacturingdigital.com/innovators/Volvo%20ADD.jpg)
VW go very plain
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y9GDaBLHrKU/UUns593nJtI/AAAAAAAAEdc/gk_KeB8G0qw/s1600/vw-golf-7-instruments.jpg)
Its not the end of the world and I'm not cancelling an order over one element I'm not pleased with. But it could have been so much better than what it was. Missed opportunity.
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Five of the examples you posted above break 'Bear's cardinal sin number one' as the digits are also inside the lines and are covered by the needle..... Anyway I'm bored of this now. Enjoy your new car.