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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: jamie16v on 28 June 2013, 15:31
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well, not actually a performance map, i put a stock file on a different ecu. BUT, a stage 1 file can be easily bought from a reliable online source! :tongue:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/citroenaxgtr/null-3.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/citroenaxgtr/media/null-3.jpg.html)
discuss!
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Don't quit the day job just yet! :grin:
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This isn't for an earner you edder :grin:
All research and development :whistle:
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Jamie please tell me your not gonna try this on your actual car. I suppose it is possible to buy a stage 1 map online but how much would you trust the source if they won't put it on for you
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there wouldn`t be a problem fitting this one to my car, it`s a boggo factory file with no tuning done to it. and why would i fit a stage one generic to my car when i already have a stage 2 professionally tuned map on it?
this is purely for educational purposes, and btw there are known sources which provide genuine generic files.
everybody starts somewhere, some people are lucky enough to get trained, others go ahead and train themselves. sometimes without the resources its the only way to learn, and thats to find your own resources and take it step by step. i dont plan on mapping anyones car, i dont mind trying stuff out on my own car if im honest, if you follow procedures and know what you are doing right from the start then you shouldn`t go far wrong. that`s where common sense comes into play, i know i am no engine tuner, i know basic principles and i know a bit about how engine management works. i did once build my own megasquirt project with an individual throttle bodied Vtr`d axgt. i i built the ecu from tiny components and once built i had it reading all the sensors and sending signals etc. i never actually had this car running due to a damaged engine and running out of funds.
the common sense bit is knowing when you don`t know enough! which i know, i don`t know enough to map motronic ecu`s.
megasquirt was pretty much self explanitory, very deep in information and a great place to start learning if you don`t mind having your car off the road while you build it. or you could pre-build it, and the loom and have base maps to get you started.
at the end of the day, what i`m trying to say is, i know i`m not an engine tuner and im not going to remap my "car" i am playing with ecu`s at the mo and getting to know them :smiley:
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Nothing wrong with some trial and error.. good on ya .. try getting a test car to throw the ecu in :grin:
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Nothing wrong with some trial and error.. good on ya .. try getting a test car to throw the ecu in :grin:
cheers for the pat nav :wink: if i get a spare moment i might code this one into the car and see how it runs.
i can`t really see me having any run lean or knock problems but who knows it might not even start.
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Fair play after the long rant mate I say go for it just didn't want anything bad happening LOL also I honestly didn't know you could by stages one online also didn't realise you had a stage 2 so my next question how comes you loaded a base tune on the ecu you gotta is that just to learn how to flash the software on?
How easy isit?
Cost etc?
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Fair play after the long rant mate I say go for it just didn't want anything bad happening LOL also I honestly didn't know you could by stages one online also didn't realise you had a stage 2 so my next question how comes you loaded a base tune on the ecu you gotta is that just to learn how to flash the software on?
How easy isit?
Cost etc?
The base tune is because the ecu is originally from an n/a 20v. Same ecu type but different software. Therefore a whole dump file was needed in order for it to work on an agu. It might not even work but what I do know is, the software is loaded as the ecu now i.d's as an agu ecu.
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Ive got an Evolve Switch in a box upstairs that's not used. It has a 350bhp remap on for a BMW 335D.
I sold the car with the standard map on, so Ive no use for it.
I was wondering if I delete the BMW map, could I copy the Revo remap off one of my Golfs with it, and put it on my other Golf which is standard?
Any ideas??
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good question, though by doing so you would be infringing copyright laws.
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I see no difference between this and buying a song on MP3and uploading it to 2 Ipods I own. :smiley:
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I hear you :smiley:
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Glad to see you giving it ago mate :afro:
Searched high and low for that site for you but to no avail.
You can download, for free, a whole host of maps for different state of tunes, the yanks flash their own ALOT and seem to be reasonably willing to share what they are up to.
Whether you chose to go ahead with it is obviously your own choice but as Jamie said, you might just get the hang of it after having a play around, everyone had to start somewhere, even Niki and Craig.
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Load and fuelling would get you a basic increase ;)
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Load and fuelling would get you a basic increase ;)
can you translate that to german for me please, i dont understand :wink: :laugh:
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KFTLWS
KFMLDMX
KFLF
KFLDS
KFLDTV
KFLUL
KFRTV
TLRAN
KFVAKL
KFZW
KFWS
KFWDYN
Look for those maps and translate the german in the map pack...
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cheers chris, I have done a bit of translation.. it`s a bit hard to understand it fully though as the descriptions are brief.. :smiley:
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Also worth seeing what the values are in the map and the X and Y values.....one probably RPM in most cases.
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Take your timing map. KFZW
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l42/carsey2006/timingmapkfzw.jpg)
X value is the RPM of the engine
Y value is the load?
Z value is the timing specified to run at the point.
So if you have a engine load of 8ms at 6000rpm you will see 23.25* of timing
Log log and log and see what effect the changes have on the engine. Set the boost and fuel first, then you can work on the other areas such as timing. Pointless setting timing when its affected by the boost you push through a engine.
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Lambda to get AFR from values is
14.7 / the value in the lambda map.
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Take your timing map. KFZW
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l42/carsey2006/timingmapkfzw.jpg)
X value is the RPM of the engine
Y value is the load?
Z value is the timing specified to run at the point.
So if you have a engine load of 8ms at 6000rpm you will see 23.25* of timing
Log log and log and see what effect the changes have on the engine. Set the boost and fuel first, then you can work on the other areas such as timing. Pointless setting timing when its affected by the boost you push through a engine.
THIS makes it much, much more clearer chris mate, nice one..
i wouldn`t bother any tuning without a wideband afr kit though..
again, nice one mate :wink:
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Any chance of quick explanation cause I haven't got a clue and I am actually interested in learing tuning at basic level
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join nefmoto mate, and ecuconnections. be warned though ecu connections is a little strict, do more reading than posting, the latter applies to both really :smiley:
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Theres no 'quick' explanation about it. You need to know how engines function, make their power and the fundamentals of engine timing and how it changes with boost etc
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THIS BOOK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/0760315825) is a good read, a good starting point to get you understanding things.
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http://ecuconnections.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6608
few online copies of books there.
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Great find Chris, I've met that Stanton guy in the thread. Seems a really decent bloke :)
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Perfect my nights will be glued to these will have a look when I am on my laptop not my phone
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Another good book I got, it comes with emerald ecu's simulator software for tuning standalones.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1859608353/ref=pd_aw_sbs_b_6?pi=SL500_SY115