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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: RocketRossUK on 18 June 2013, 18:08
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After owning my MK6 for for a couple of months, now want a remap, I was gonna travel up to Sedox for custom map. But seen as im not going up that end any more (change of plans) thought i would save £70 in petrol and get Superchips Bluefin.
Ive used the Search button as best as i can on here, and 99% its great and the support is just as good.
So for £360 thinks its worth a punt, plus it always gives my that option to remove or upgrade to stage 2 for free....
Anyone have it installed?....what do you think......and is anyone selling one?
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Hey pal,
I have had bluefin for a couple of years now (stage 1) and I love it.........for me, its just right
Red
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I have mine for sale as I gave my car to the wife and don't drive the golf much anymore.
I out the bluefin on my car with abou 700 miles on from new and loved it. Very smooth power. No spikes or flat spots and no clutch burning. Very good product IMO
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I have mine for sale as I gave my car to the wife and don't drive the golf much anymore.
I out the bluefin on my car with abou 700 miles on from new and loved it. Very smooth power. No spikes or flat spots and no clutch burning. Very good product IMO
whats your price? and i f i was to buy, what the cost for rest and new map from superchip?
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Buy the one from mkviken if its a good price, it costs £220 to reset from superchips :) I reset mine a few weeks ago and it totally transforms the car. What a gti should be like in my opinion
Forgot to say, the £220 is including the map
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I didn't realise the bluefin units could be reprogrammed.
In that case I have one for sale.
Box, CD cables etc.
£50
Edit
Now sold.
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I didn't realise the bluefin units could be reprogrammed.
In that case I have one for sale.
Box, CD cables etc.
£50
Seriously bro.....wish you would have message me 2 days ago. Bought one now. But at £50 one of my mates may be interested.
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ok, so loaded it on today. The service was great, after uploading my current map, Superchip sent me the re-mapped version with 10 min.
It took about 5 min to load on. Took it for a real spirited drive tonight and wow, best £350 ive spent for a while, all is ok till 4000 revs and then all hell breaks lose. Really sits you back.
Feels real nice for a stage 1 map. Think with 97/99 ron it will be hitting around 265BHP and 380 torque. Will have to wait for roller to confirm though.
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Also interested in a Bluefin for my 2009 GTi. Where did you get yours from?
Matt
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Mine is still for sale. £50 + p & p.
You will then need to get Superchips to reset to your car.
That's £220 apparently.
PM me.
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Also interested in a Bluefin for my 2009 GTi. Where did you get yours from?
Matt
Got mine from eBay (JJC Store) Also came with a free K&N Air Filter which cost £40 so good value.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Superchips-Bluefin-DIY-Chip-Remap-For-Volkswagen-Golf-Mk6-GTI-2009-2-0-Turbo-/370785761134?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AGolf%7CPlat_Gen%3AMK+VI&hash=item56548db76e
But the one GolfTI is selling is very good value if you dont want or need an air filter and you dont mind a used handset.
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will give you £50 for it you pay p/p....cheers
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Mine is still for sale. £50 + p & p.
You will then need to get Superchips to reset to your car.
That's £220 apparently.
PM me.
PM sent :smiley:
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I've just bought one from a member on here (cheers golfti :smiley:)
Let you know how I get on with it :evil:
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If I were to purchase one of these, and then make a few changes to the vagcom options whilst it was in performance mode, presumably if I reverted to 'stock' those changes are no longer there?
I need to get the voice activation sorted and was concerned i'd lose any changes once made if I then reverted to stock?
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No the changes stay.
You will be adjusting the cental electric control unit not the engine one.
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Anyone independently rolling roaded a bluefined one yet?
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Anyone independently rolling roaded a bluefined one yet?
No but i want to, want to see how smooth the map is, it feels good, but it would be good to have proof.
Because the one on their website is totally wrong
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If I were to purchase one of these, and then make a few changes to the vagcom options whilst it was in performance mode, presumably if I reverted to 'stock' those changes are no longer there
Sorry, I am in numpty mode here - can the Bluefin be used for changing menus as Vagcom ?
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If I were to purchase one of these, and then make a few changes to the vagcom options whilst it was in performance mode, presumably if I reverted to 'stock' those changes are no longer there
Sorry, I am in numpty mode here - can the Bluefin be used for changing menus as Vagcom ?
Im not sure what you mean at all. Bluefin device is just for added your remap at home, no real menus or adjustmenst
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You can use it to accessand read fault codes on certain cars
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You can use it to accessand read fault codes on certain cars
I could on my previous car but don't seem to have that menu for the golf.
Maybe it's something they haven been able to 'master'
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No the changes stay.
You will be adjusting the cental electric control unit not the engine one.
Cheers dude.
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If I were to purchase one of these, and then make a few changes to the vagcom options whilst it was in performance mode, presumably if I reverted to 'stock' those changes are no longer there
Sorry, I am in numpty mode here - can the Bluefin be used for changing menus as Vagcom ?
Im not sure what you mean at all. Bluefin device is just for added your remap at home, no real menus or adjustmenst
That's what I thought.
I was pretty sure that I misunderstood a previous comment.
Thanks
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Im not sure I woulg go with this one unless I could see a rolling road result to see what power its kicking out.
Just out of interest you said 380 ft/lbs - you had anything else done to the engine or just a map??
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From research I would expect a peak of around 250bhp 260lbft torque with this map.
Not as big numbers as some but mkvikens car I drove once was extremely smooth.
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This is Superchips Power curve - Looks a bit fudged to me
http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/GolfMk6GTi%20Stage1.pdf
I have Superchips stage 1, i would say around 250-255BHP Awaiting a cheap rolling road session soon
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i had bluefin on my rocco in march 2009, made something stupid like 268bhp at superchips and then made 243bhp on a reasonably honest dyno (where the garage were bluefin agents) so around 250/255
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i had bluefin on my rocco in march 2009, made something stupid like 268bhp at superchips and then made 243bhp on a reasonably honest dyno (where the garage were bluefin agents) so around 250/255
Yeah thats sound right - i think to 250 is a good jump for stage 1 - Were you curves pretty smooth?
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I got told that the bhp of a normal gti leaving the factory varies between 207 and 245 bhp, superchips guy I spoke to said that one they worked on was 242 bhp standard before they even touched it, I am thinking of putting mine on a rolling road if I can find a reasonably priced one.
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i had bluefin on my rocco in march 2009, made something stupid like 268bhp at superchips and then made 243bhp on a reasonably honest dyno (where the garage were bluefin agents) so around 250/255
Yeah thats sound right - i think to 250 is a good jump for stage 1 - Were you curves pretty smooth?
well considering the car made 220bhp stock it confounded my thoughts that in reality you just got a load of mid range torque, having had a spirited run over the cat and fiddle with a mate in a stock car it wasn't that much quicker when driving it hard
i know how long they spend on product development so will never go on one of my cars
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i had bluefin on my rocco in march 2009, made something stupid like 268bhp at superchips and then made 243bhp on a reasonably honest dyno (where the garage were bluefin agents) so around 250/255
Yeah thats sound right - i think to 250 is a good jump for stage 1 - Were you curves pretty smooth?
well considering the car made 220bhp stock it confounded my thoughts that in reality you just got a load of mid range torque, having had a spirited run over the cat and fiddle with a mate in a stock car it wasn't that much quicker when driving it hard
i know how long they spend on product development so will never go on one of my cars
what you mean by the last bit...as in they are bad?
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Not in a bad way, had no running issues at all
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Not in a bad way, had no running issues at all
I thought they spent quite a long time developing it? so why never on your car :huh:
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Does make you wonder if 'chipping' cars is the latest 'emperors new clothes' :shocked:
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Does make you wonder if 'chipping' cars is the latest 'emperors new clothes' :shocked:
I think im too young to know what that means :tongue:
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Does make you wonder if 'chipping' cars is the latest 'emperors new clothes' :shocked:
Absolutely not, you wouldn't see which way I went in my Gti with Revo Stage 2 compared to a stock car, night and day difference.
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Whats the hit on fuel consumption. I recently sold my mapped Edition 30 and that just loved petrol, it was very thirsty. (But went like stink!)
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Just drove from gatwick to Leeds cruising at around 85 and we got 45 mpg with 2 of us and a boot full of luggage which I did not think was to bad, befor the bluefin I would of thought I may of got about 35-38 mpg.
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Just drove from gatwick to Leeds cruising at around 85 and we got 45 mpg with 2 of us and a boot full of luggage which I did not think was to bad, befor the bluefin I would of thought I may of got about 35-38 mpg.
That's a big improvement :laugh:
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Whats the hit on fuel consumption. I recently sold my mapped Edition 30 and that just loved petrol, it was very thirsty. (But went like stink!)
I never do long journeys in it, but if I have been on a 20-30 mile bast it still seems to average high 20's, my wife driving it day to day has made no difference to mpg which is circa 33mpg.
It's good on fuel relative to the performance.
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I installed stage 1 Bluefin on my GTI DSG tonight, cost me £230 to get the device reprogrammed from my previous car (non-VW).
Only takes 5 mins to install. I couldn't tell much difference to start with and was a bit disappointed, so I reinstalled the old map (takes 5 mins again), and suddenly you can tell the difference in power. As someone mentioned on here, it really flies from 4k, but I was hoping to notice the difference from 2k upwards, as per the graph on their website. So yes, it looks fudged.
Other observations? The engine management light was on the 1st time I fired it up (with either map), so turned it off & on again, and both times the light went off & stayed off.
Up to 3k it doesn't feel much different, but after that it's more rapid and from 4k it really flies. A few times I did notice a slight hesitation / flat spot between 3k-4k, so I'll email Superchips tomorrow and check I have the right map.
In summary, it's certainly quicker but with the flat spots and the power not being where i expected it, the jury is still out. I'll give it a few days as I always find installing a remap to be an anti-climax!
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You need to give time for your ECU to adapt, 20 - 100 miles to really benefit. TBH i also was expecting a little more when i first post it on, after 4-5 weeks im used to it.
If i was to take off the map now i think it would feel very flat. Dont go on their graph, im think stage 1 will more likely be 240-250bhp. so an increase of 30-40bhp is never gonna blow you away that much.....
But man, it defo makes a difference....if i hover at 2500rpm and then floor it.....it really does shift. You will be happy within the week
Let me know what they say though.
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Quick update. I emailed Superchips with some feedback on the Bluefin map this morning, and mentioned the occasional flat spot. By noon I received a txt to say they've sent me a revised map which should address my feedback. Good service eh?
If I get time later I'll try again, if not I'll install it tomorrow.
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Good service would be giving you a map without the flat spot in the first place
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That's another way of looking at it :wink:
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They also sent me the wrong map, I do agree that whilst it was a good service they should have got it right first time.
Jim
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They also sent me the wrong map, I do agree that whilst it was a good service they should have got it right first time.
This seems to be a common occurrence :huh: There seems to be a few on that have been sent either the wrong map or have needed a revised map. Wonder why they can't get it right in the first place?
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I wonder how many of these cars have a split DV. This will make a flat spot more noticeable when remapped as its boosting more.
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They also sent me the wrong map, I do agree that whilst it was a good service they should have got it right first time.
This seems to be a common occurrence :huh: There seems to be a few on that have been sent either the wrong map or have needed a revised map. Wonder why they can't get it right in the first place?
There have been quite a few here that needed revised Bluefin maps.
I reckon the sheer sales volume and broad spectrum of marques that SC cater for gives rise to mistakes. I very much doubt there are many staff left from their early days but SC used to have a horrendous reputation but now seem to be fairly acceptable. I've driven Blufin GTIs and they drive well. Less frenetic than other well known maps and the REVO I had on my last mk6 which got a bit much to live with at times and was huuuuuge fun at other times!!
Begs the chicken and egg question really, which is better? A generic modifier of lots of different marques of cars that is more familiar with what can be achieved with different ignition systems, turbos, ECU types and thus can either be lazy and know what result can be achieved without too much work (development time ££££). Or on the flip side will know from other marques the tricks with the various ECU's and other electronics and hardware so can eke out things without pushing the boat towards the safety margins built in by the manufacturers.
Or do we go for a VAG specialist that will have less available staff but a direct interest in one brand of car which means focus will be good but general experience and overall development budget likely to be a lot less.
There's no perfect answer to the above as it depends on the quality of staff working on the modification and years ago I chose my remaps more by who wrote the map than who sold it. But these days ECU tuning is so widespread I've lost track of who works for who and no doubt there are new whizzkids coming through the ranks anyway.
I think you've got to take a best guess approach as to how good the development of a given map is and how much time is allowed for development rather than just a few runs on a rolling road to see what's the max the car can take and then wind it back a couple of notches.
I wonder how many of these cars have a split DV. This will make a flat spot more noticeable when remapped as its boosting more.
An excellent point, even on quite new cars this is a fair possibility.
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I think its too over analised, I have Bluefin stage 1 and it feels great, pulls smooth, boost doesnt drop off and its a great daily driver.
I have driven my mates REVO mapped TSI and your right, it feels more brutal, but not in a controlled way.
All depends on what you want. Im gonna get mine on the rolling road and i will post results soon so everyone can see
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Well I'm pleased to report my 2nd Bluefin map is now installed and I'm very happy with it. Feels super smooth and from 3k up it has a real punch to it.
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Has your management light stayed off? If it does come back on use the bluefin hand held gizmo to read the fault, mine was the inlet manifold when I installed my bluefin, common problem with the mk6 gti apparently. Glad your happy with it now, I'm very happy with mine!
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Yes engine light has stayed off. Superchips said it was normal for the light to be on after installing the map, but it won't appear after the engine is next restarted.