GolfGTIforum.co.uk

Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: baza on 02 June 2013, 20:18

Title: dealer prep
Post by: baza on 02 June 2013, 20:18
Im no detailer but do love the work these professional guys do. My question is would anyone else employ a pro for the day to do a protection detail on your new car or would you let the dealers have a go with a high probability of it being covered in swirls before youve even driven it.  I have had a bad experience from the dealer im buying my new gti from regarding a post service complementary wash it was given leaving it in a shocking condition. im going to unwrap my car myself and drive it out of the dealers without letting them anywhere near the exterior and taking it straight to a pro.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: mcmaddy on 02 June 2013, 20:31
I'm getting the detailer I use to go to Pulman sunderland and do the detailing. I've already told the garage under no circumstances are they to touch the paintwork!
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: baza on 02 June 2013, 20:48
its not just me then, the salesman looked horrified when i told him i didnt want it cleaning. i had to send him an email so he had it in writing. are pulmans ok with a detailer coming in? sounds like something id like to do
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: master_hayabusa on 02 June 2013, 21:04
Doesn't it have to be cleaned by the dealer so that you can check it for any scratches or dents? Otherwise the dealer could just blame the detailer if something was noticed afterwards?
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Ginge 35Edition on 02 June 2013, 21:13
Doesn't it have to be cleaned by the dealer so that you can check it for any scratches or dents? Otherwise the dealer could just blame the detailer if something was noticed afterwards?

I'd be careful for this reason too, they could remove the transport stickers etc and you'd be able to see any dents and scratches, then of the detailer finds any minor marks he/she should be able to sort it? If I go for a tornado red mk7 I'll be detailing it but I know the dealer wouldn't mind.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: mcmaddy on 02 June 2013, 22:36
at the end of the day it's my car and if I say don't clean it as I'm getting someone to do it properly then I would expect them to not touch it.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 02 June 2013, 22:49
Interesting post. Hadn't fully considered this point until now.

I may well ask my supplying dealer to leave it alone. I'll detail it myself when I get it home. Something to look toward to isn't it - a bit of cherished tcl.

Still haven't decided whether to clay it or not to start with. I mean how much contaminates would a brand new car have from the factory? Nothing a good wash and wax wouldn't sort out.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: p3asa on 02 June 2013, 23:15
Its probably a catch 22.
If you ask them to prep it and there are any scratches, dings etc then they will be liable.
If you ask them not to prep it and take it away and only notice a scratch / ding once its been detailed they will claim you could possibly have caused it!!

Although in saying that, if you did find a scratch who would you trust to sort it? Your friendly detailer or the dealer?
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: baza on 03 June 2013, 07:58
Detailer all the way. The dealer would spray it over and make a balls of it for sure
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: monkeyhanger on 03 June 2013, 08:06
I wouldn't discount the possibility of their being a ding or dent on your car missed by VW QC, I wouldn't even discount the possibility of the PDI missing it. A DBP Polo I bought from new at Colebrook and Burgess (now Silverlink Benfield) had a small crease in the metal around the front nearside wheel arch edge. The paint finish was perfect around the area. I only noticed it when I was giving the car it's first wash a week after pick-up. Took it back and they agreed that it must've been there from the factory and that they'd missed it at PDI so they were liable to put it right (i'm glad they didn't try to say that as i'd missed it on pick-up then it was my responsibility).

If you take the opportunity from the dealership to give your car a complete going over at PDI then anything discovered later which isn't an obvious manufacturing fault (like my issue was) is going to be on you to sort out.

For the amount of time a PDI takes, I was once suspicious that a car I wasn't allowed to collect for a week after it's arrival at the dealership had been damaged in transit and was being repaired. No-one admitted to anything, was just told that the salesperson was on holiday and it wouldn't be handed over until they were back.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: matchboy on 03 June 2013, 08:44
I will let the dealer do his thing and clean it during the PDI - I'm not picking up a dirty car! But I shall have my valeting guy wax it, coat it etc after I take delivery. Valeters are professionals, that's what they do. The oiks in the dealership aren't.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: mcmaddy on 03 June 2013, 09:33
I will let the dealer do his thing and clean it during the PDI - I'm not picking up a dirty car! But I shall have my valeting guy wax it, coat it etc after I take delivery. Valeters are professionals, that's what they do. The oiks in the dealership aren't.
might be too late by then if they've used a rag on your car that's been used on twenty others that day!
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: matchboy on 03 June 2013, 10:04
Hmmm that is a good point. Last time I had the supaguard put on by them and they f7cked it up royally, took two trips to sort it.  Still, they did give me their demo GTI while it was getting done, white DSG - that got a pounding  :grin:

I'm hoping they can't f7ck up a quick clean, then ill get my guy on the case to make it sparkle. Btw, anyone in the North Herts area that's looking for a brilliant valeter let me know, this chap is amazing, spends hours on the car. He's the only person I let loose on my cars.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: MkVIIGTD on 03 June 2013, 13:10
I'm doing exactly same thing... goin to get detailer to go into dealership and detail it there for me!
Defo wouldnt want the dealer doing it... i think they use a yard brush and fiary liquid when u see some of the paintwork they turn out lol  :huh:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Sootchucker on 03 June 2013, 13:38
On my last 2 VW's I asked my local dealer not to prep them as well. At first they were not too impressed due to the reasons given earlier in the post. We compromised and agreed that the shipping sheets and foam blocks would have to be removed, but all they would do for prepping is power wash it, with absolutely zero hands on wash. This was more than good enough for the dealer to spot and defects etc. in the paintwork and had the added benefit that when I got the cars home, they were not completely covered in swirls and scratches as I'd had before.

They have agreed to do the same thing this time on the GTD and the wife's new Polo, if the bloody thing ever turns up (see you've started me off again.............. :angry:)
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: The Whir1wind on 03 June 2013, 14:08
I like the idea of getting the car prepared properly once it arrives at the dealer and before the "gritty sponge" hits the paintwork!  Can anyone recommend a good (and reasonable) detailer in the Reading area?
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: dubber36 on 04 June 2013, 10:58
We compromised and agreed that the shipping sheets and foam blocks would have to be removed, but all they would do for prepping is power wash it,

That should be ok as long as they don't cover it in TFR before hand.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Jules Winfield on 04 June 2013, 11:30
I like the idea of getting the car prepared properly once it arrives at the dealer and before the "gritty sponge" hits the paintwork!  Can anyone recommend a good (and reasonable) detailer in the Reading area?

The Detailing World forums have a list of detailers based "down south" - might be worth checking out.

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=59863

There is also a sub-forum where detailers show their work:

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=129
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Bill_the_Bear on 04 June 2013, 11:59
Ok, this dealer thing.  How much of a problem is it?  I assume that they can't be too bad or every car would end up being rejected?

Or are we talking about something that is subtle to notice so the average customer often won't pick up on it?  In this case can anyone give any details about what they do that is wrong and what to look for when collecting the car.  I know absolutely nothing about what prep they do or how to look after paint work or anything... but I don't want them to screw up my new expensive vehicle!

Some idea of what can go wrong would help me know if I need to ask them to skip certain things (I dunno what they do).  Some idea of what to look for would mean I could complain if there is a problem rather than only realise later and have them say I could have caused it.  Any kind person able to help? :smiley:

Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: mcmaddy on 04 June 2013, 12:09
Some dealers have car washes which is a no no. some dealers have the young apprentice go over cars with a wet dish cloth no no no. Some dealers may well do a grand job but not as good as a professional detailer. Dealers think that sticking your car through a car wash and dryer is cleaning it when in actual fact its scratching it to buggery!
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: monkeyhanger on 04 June 2013, 12:27
Different dealerships do different things. I've had a basic wash but no wax at Benfield. My last car bought from Pulman had a basic application of wax which looked fine, but i'd personally put something better on there. Not going to pay a detailer to do mine - I like to get all that done myself. Polish, wax, application of a stainguard spray on the carpets and upholstery in the car. If you're patient and dilligent you can save yourself a canny bit of money. I'd conider a detailer to rejuvenate a car when it's time to change, if I was selling privately, but when the car is new "out of the box" i'll do it all myself.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: dubber36 on 04 June 2013, 12:33
Bill, from what you have said I would guess that you have had a car dealer cleaned before and been perfectly happy with it. Some of us however would probably notice damage that may have been incurred during their slap dash washing techniques.

Look at virtually every car on the road in bright sunlight and you'll see swirls, marring and cobwebbing in the paintwork. This is mainly caused by careless washing. By letting the dealer clean the car, the first wash it gets could be the very start of inflicting these paint defects.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Bill_the_Bear on 04 June 2013, 14:17
Bill, from what you have said I would guess that you have had a car dealer cleaned before and been perfectly happy with it.

Yes, exactly right.  But I am sure that I don't know what to look for.  That said, as long as they don't make a complete hash of it (which I would notice) then it sounds like I'm going to be happy with it.

As long as they don't scratch it they can't permanently screw anything up right?  Apologies if I'm asking stupid questions, I'm a noob on this!
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Gryzor on 04 June 2013, 14:23
In all honesty, as long as the car is mechanically sound and clean, that's good enough for me.  I've had several cars from new, never had an issue with prep.  Got far more important stuff to worry about that a few potential minor swirls in paint that will inevitably get some combination of chipped, scratched, dented, shat on, and all manner of abuse during its life!  I do look after my cars, but I don't nanny them.

Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: monkeyhanger on 04 June 2013, 14:32
If you've never worried about it before then why start now. For most an initial polish/seal and then proper waxing 4 times a year will be sufficient. There will be some who will buy £60 tubes of wax etc and wax every other weeknd. Some people can get ultra obsessive with car cleaning. A lad on the Scirocconet forum was so into orbital polishing his car he'd worn through the lacquer layer and was well on the way to wearing through his DBP layer on a few car panels. Had to get an extensive respray. I've found that waxing every 3 months, washing every week or 2 and doing everything by hand with microfibre cloths that you can get cheaply in bulk from Costco is more than enough for me.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: JoeGTI on 04 June 2013, 14:37
Agreed... you can over think this in a big way. I love having my car's paintwork in tip top condition, but there's a limit to it and some people go way over the top. The car is brand new. The dealer has a load of shiney cars in his showroom that were prepared by the same guys that will PDI yours and the ones in the showroom tend to look ok. Don't over think it!

Anyone see or remember that thread that was doing the rounds a few years ago with the lad and his Astra? He wouldn't let the dealer touch it either and photographed every stage of his "detailing" regime before he even drove the blooming thing. He was even contemplating rejecting the car because he discovered a tiny imperfection with his microscope  :laugh:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Gryzor on 04 June 2013, 15:16
Yup, makes me wonder how some people even get the courage to actually drive their cars in case a leaf falls on it...  I know they are expensive and often our pride-and-joy, but I have my limits and priorities!  Like monkeyhanger, I wash it when needed with microfibre cloths and they do the job just fine.  It's like parents who try and guard their kids from every possible germ, fall and hazard...life isn't rosy like that I'm afraid!
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: baza on 04 June 2013, 17:00
As I sat telling my dealer, between 2 dark new vw cars, about not prepping my car, he asked why. Without getting out of my seat I could point out damage caused by p*ss poor washing, scratches all over it, not including the swirls. These are very obvious in bright sunshine or under a garage forecourt at night. I would be gutted if I picked a new car up in that condition. My job is inspection, maybe I'm pickier than most but a new car to me should be perfect.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Bill_the_Bear on 04 June 2013, 17:07
As I sat telling my dealer, between 2 dark new vw cars, about not prepping my car, he asked why. Without getting out of my seat I could point out damage caused by p*ss poor washing, scratches all over it, not including the swirls. These are very obvious in bright sunshine or under a garage forecourt at night. I would be gutted if I picked a new car up in that condition. My job is inspection, maybe I'm pickier than most but a new car to me should be perfect.

If only my dealer was local I could pop in and see the quality of their handiwork.  Unfortunately they are not local.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: p3asa on 04 June 2013, 17:49
Bill would you be happy for your prep to be done by someone on minimal wage using a sponge and not really bothering if they drop the sponge on the ground and then just continue?
Thats obviously worse case scenario but I know one of my local dealers lets their young boys loose on the cars with a dirty sponge!!

Some of them also use a glaze which covers up the swirls so all looks great until a few washes later and the glaze wears off!! But again that's worse case scenario but probably why most folk in the know would be happier to do it themselves.

With your car being white you won't notice the swirls apart from in ideal conditions.

Black really shows it up. Most black TOA taxis are really bad for it.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Bill_the_Bear on 04 June 2013, 17:55
Bill would you be happy for your prep to be done by someone on minimal wage using a sponge and not really bothering if they drop the sponge on the ground and then just continue?

Not really no!  but if they damage the car so I can tell I'd complain... if I can't find any damage then its ok, for me at least.

I dunno what the solution is really.  Its a lot of time and money for me to warn them off and arrange everything myself.  Especially since my dealer is 100 miles from me so I can't really pop in and watch them do things so I'm satisfied with their work.  Its not like they'll give me a refund for the work I'm asking them not to do.  And where does it end?  Should I arrange to be at the port and watch the car being unloaded and all through delivery to the dealer?  It only takes one asshole driver to think its fun to drive it like crazy. :angry:

I've refused delivery to my house and said I will collect from the dealer, but I think that is as far as I can go.  And I'll still have to pay the standard delivery as its "free"... i.e. rolled into the total OTR so that I can't get it refunded.

How much are you guys paying your own detailers to go to the dealer and prep if for you and what are you having them do?
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Chriscav on 07 June 2013, 09:35
Just been down to silverlink vw to view their gti in night Blue.
Looks great in good sunlight, but the swirls and scratches are horrendous on it!!
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Buster73 on 07 June 2013, 09:50
I bought the dragons E35 from Pulman Sunderland , the gentleman who did the AG lifetime prep on it was first class , when it went in for service I was given some more polishes and cloths gratis .

He certainly took pride in his work and over a year later it looks like new .

Some posting on here are making sweeping generalisations about the quality of staff employed to prep cars and some of you are sounding like a set of fannies.

Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: matchboy on 07 June 2013, 09:53
Some posting on here are making sweeping generalisations about the quality of staff employed to prep cars and some of you are sounding like a set of fannies.

Not really, people are only commenting on their own experiences.  Which could be more than one dealer.  And if their prep has been sh1te then it was sh1te.  :wink:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: JoeGTI on 07 June 2013, 09:57
some of you are sounding like a set of fannies.

 :grin:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: mcmaddy on 07 June 2013, 12:09
I bought the dragons E35 from Pulman Sunderland , the gentleman who did the AG lifetime prep on it was first class , when it went in for service I was given some more polishes and cloths gratis .

He certainly took pride in his work and over a year later it looks like new .

Some posting on here are making sweeping generalisations about the quality of staff employed to prep cars and some of you are sounding like a set of fannies.
To be fair Pulman Sundrland dont use a car wash. They have a guy with a jet wash so may be better than others. Pulman Durham have a proper car wash and my car is scratched to buggery from it.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Golf7 on 09 July 2013, 09:26
Still waiting for my Golf, but to pass the time the Mrs. has just treated herself to an upgrade on her A1, and had an A1 S-Line Black Edition, in that really nice Daytona Grey colour.

Collected it yesterday afternoon. She took it to work last night. When she came home this morning I was outside and as she pulled up all I can see in the sunlight are light, circular swirls all over the bonnet where some monkey has used a dirty cloth during the dealer prep.

 :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

I'm away from tomorrow until next week (Goodwood FOS) but sorting this out will be top of my to do list when I get back!!

I have just sent an email to my VW dealer requesting that nothing other than a jet wash and natural drying is to be done to the exterior of my Golf before I collect it, will sort it myself when I get home!!
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Dully on 09 July 2013, 10:23
I had a real panic on when I first started to read this topic as the dealer will be doing car prep and autoglym for me.

I have had 3 previous new GTI's from the same dealer and can't complain so far but there is always that possibility.

I once had a local hand car wash scratch one though, the local body shop had to machine polish it and it never looked the same  :angry:

Anyhow, I decided to take a look at all the new cars in the dealers showroom, many different colours in there and they were all mint, no swirls or scratches so fingers crossed my car will be prepped ok.

I dont really want to drive it off uncleaned, I like to turn up and see it gleaming in the showroom and they open the doors for me to drive off, we are all different  :grin:

Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Golf7 on 09 July 2013, 13:08
Luck of the draw I suppose! It depends if you want to risk your car being prepped by the apprentice or a bloke that has had a row with his Mrs last night! All I know is our A1 bonnet is pretty bad so I won't take the chance with the Golf!
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: matchboy on 09 July 2013, 13:15
Luck of the draw I suppose! It depends if you want to risk your car being prepped by the apprentice or a bloke that has had a row with his Mrs last night! All I know is our A1 bonnet is pretty bad so I won't take the chance with the Golf!

For an extra £129 IMO the piece of mind is worth it!  GAP is a must on expensive cars - too many bellends on the road to not buy it.

EDIT - comment relating to the wrong thread!  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 09 July 2013, 13:26
Luck of the draw I suppose! It depends if you want to risk your car being prepped by the apprentice or a bloke that has had a row with his Mrs last night! All I know is our A1 bonnet is pretty bad so I won't take the chance with the Golf!

For an extra £129 IMO the piece of mind is worth it!  GAP is a must on expensive cars - too many bellends on the road to not buy it.

EDIT - comment relating to the wrong thread!  :lipsrsealed:

 :grin: :grin: :grin: I noticed but didn't want to say anything  :grin:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: matchboy on 09 July 2013, 13:32
Luck of the draw I suppose! It depends if you want to risk your car being prepped by the apprentice or a bloke that has had a row with his Mrs last night! All I know is our A1 bonnet is pretty bad so I won't take the chance with the Golf!

For an extra £129 IMO the piece of mind is worth it!  GAP is a must on expensive cars - too many bellends on the road to not buy it.

EDIT - comment relating to the wrong thread!  :lipsrsealed:

 :grin: :grin: :grin: I noticed but didn't want to say anything  :grin:

 :grin: :grin: I only noticed it after 5 mins, and swiftly called myself a 'total c0ck'  :laugh:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 09 July 2013, 15:48
Interesting thread.

From what I've read on here I think I'll ask my dealer just to jet wash the car and air dry. That way we'll avoid any potential damage to paintwork.

I'm going to be giving it the full detail when I get home. Plus I've got to drive it back over 230 miles so it will be filthy and peppered with bugs by the time I park it on my drive.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Bill_the_Bear on 09 July 2013, 15:53
Plus I've got to drive it back over 230 miles so it will be filthy and peppered with bugs by the time I park it on my drive.

This was my thought.  I'm going to wait until its imminently arriving though in case the dealer "forgets" haha.

Also remember to ask them to stick on plates without any advertising and no stickers or stencils of the dealer name or phone number either!  Vindis seem to stencil or sticker their name below the badge on the rear, though I can't tell if they just do that to their demos (which ultimately get sold) or if they do it to every car they sell.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: JoeGTI on 09 July 2013, 15:58
I asked my dealers not to screw on my plates, rather stick them on instead. It's OCD, but I'd prefer if they didn't drill holes in my bumpers (and they'd probably not place the screws as "evenly" as I would) even if no one ever sees the holes  :grin:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Gryzor on 09 July 2013, 16:06
Also remember to ask them to stick on plates without any advertising and no stickers or stencils of the dealer name or phone number either!  Vindis seem to stencil or sticker their name below the badge on the rear, though I can't tell if they just do that to their demos (which ultimately get sold) or if they do it to every car they sell.

I've asked my dealer to do a couple of things in that area.  First, no stickers of any kind in any of the windows, and the plates are to be stuck on.  Also, I don't want anything on the plates that is not a legal requirement!
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Running Man on 09 July 2013, 16:18
Same here no stickers, no drilling.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: JoeGTI on 09 July 2013, 16:31
Don't know what the legal situation is over there with plates, but I always replace the dealer plates with a clean set of pressed metal plates anyway (just regular legal fonts, but no dealer advertising printed!). They look so much better.

The fact that they didn't drill my bumpers this time made that much easier... the bumper on my last car was a mess behind the plates as they'd obviously made at least 2 attempts to drill it!
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: matchboy on 09 July 2013, 16:52
I agree with the postings in this thread. You want the car clean when you pick it up but thats it - then either coat the car yourself if you know what you're doing or pay a professional to do it the next day if you don't know what you're doing/lazy like me!
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: matchboy on 09 July 2013, 16:57
Just out of interest, is anyone else paying their car detailer to do this for them or are you all doing it yourselves?  Just interested to know what you're paying.  Me, its £175 and he will do 2 separate coats and this includes the outside and all of the inside (seats, carpets, mats).  Plus he will make the car sparkle - and you can't put a price on that!  :laugh:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Jimble on 09 July 2013, 17:12
I'll let my dealer do their thing and i'll give it a full detail when i get it home, i trust my dealer just to get the muck off.


Just out of interest, is anyone else paying their car detailer to do this for them or are you all doing it yourselves?  Just interested to know what you're paying.  Me, its £175 and he will do 2 separate coats and this includes the outside and all of the inside (seats, carpets, mats).  Plus he will make the car sparkle - and you can't put a price on that!  :D


If thats for a full machine polish then that seems like a good price, if all he's doing is cleaning and waxing then it's a bit steep.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 09 July 2013, 17:14
Just out of interest, is anyone else paying their car detailer to do this for them or are you all doing it yourselves?  Just interested to know what you're paying.  Me, its £175 and he will do 2 separate coats and this includes the outside and all of the inside (seats, carpets, mats).  Plus he will make the car sparkle - and you can't put a price on that!  :laugh:

I would be really interested to hear what the average price is for a private detail. The websites I've been on none of them disclose any prices which is a bit frustrating
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: matchboy on 09 July 2013, 17:48
I'll let my dealer do their thing and i'll give it a full detail when i get it home, i trust my dealer just to get the muck off.


Just out of interest, is anyone else paying their car detailer to do this for them or are you all doing it yourselves?  Just interested to know what you're paying.  Me, its £175 and he will do 2 separate coats and this includes the outside and all of the inside (seats, carpets, mats).  Plus he will make the car sparkle - and you can't put a price on that!  :D


If thats for a full machine polish then that seems like a good price, if all he's doing is cleaning and waxing then it's a bit steep.

No, it's the works. He'll spend hours on it - so I don't have to!!
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: dubber36 on 09 July 2013, 18:02
I asked my dealers not to screw on my plates, rather stick them on instead. It's OCD, but I'd prefer if they didn't drill holes in my bumpers (and they'd probably not place the screws as "evenly" as I would) even if no one ever sees the holes  :grin:

I would ask for them to be stuck on, but then remove them and drill them myself at home. The issue that I have with stuck on number plates is that you can't easily take them off to clean behind.

I had no option but to stick the rear one on my Passat tho'. There are captive nuts in the tailgate, but if the plate was bang on central, the fixing screws would have been half on, half off a letter.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: monkeyhanger on 09 July 2013, 18:34
I asked my dealers not to screw on my plates, rather stick them on instead. It's OCD, but I'd prefer if they didn't drill holes in my bumpers (and they'd probably not place the screws as "evenly" as I would) even if no one ever sees the holes  :grin:

I would ask for them to be stuck on, but then remove them and drill them myself at home. The issue that I have with stuck on number plates is that you can't easily take them off to clean behind.

I had no option but to stick the rear one on my Passat tho'. There are captive nuts in the tailgate, but if the plate was bang on central, the fixing screws would have been half on, half off a letter.

That's more OCD than Sheldon Cooper!  :tongue: :laugh: :whistle: Don't know anyone who's ever removed a numberplate to clean behind it.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: JoeGTI on 09 July 2013, 18:37
I remember seeing a neighbour doing it years ago and thought he was mental but I'm probably not far off him myself these days. Not quite that bad though  :grin:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Sootchucker on 09 July 2013, 19:29
Sorry, what's wrong with removing your number plate to clean behind it ?

I do it all the time.

 :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: allycat45 on 09 July 2013, 20:38
Just out of interest, is anyone else paying their car detailer to do this for them or are you all doing it yourselves?  Just interested to know what you're paying.  Me, its £175 and he will do 2 separate coats and this includes the outside and all of the inside (seats, carpets, mats).  Plus he will make the car sparkle - and you can't put a price on that!  :laugh:

I would be really interested to hear what the average price is for a private detail. The websites I've been on none of them disclose any prices which is a bit frustrating

I have come across this guy who offers New Car Protection detailing in and around Yorkshire. His website quotes £210 for a full clean, sealant, wax and interior as well. I haven't used him yet or even contacted him, but am thinking about it if I ever actually receive the mythical GTI I ordered ! Certainly sounds like he will take more care and do a better job than a quick dealer applied sealant like Supaguard for about the same price that they quote (even though you can knock them down on the price or even get it thrown in)

http://www.reflectdetailing.com/car-valeting-doncaster/new-car-protection/ (http://www.reflectdetailing.com/car-valeting-doncaster/new-car-protection/)
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 22 July 2013, 21:32
This is my plan for when the new car arrives and I'd be interested in people's thoughts.

First of all I have spoken to the dealer and asked them not to hand wash the car so they are going to jet wash it and leave it at that. My understanding is that there will be some residue left on the car just through all the protective sheets that were on it.

When I get it home my plan/thoughts are

1) Hose car down initially
2) Hand wash using the two bucket method with lambswool mit and Meguiars gold class shampoo
3) Hand dry using microfibre cloths
4) Iron-X the entire car to remove any iron particles and any possible left over residue
5) Re-wash car
6) Use Gtechniq C2V3 to seal the entire car and the wheels
7) Still debating this stage - possibly wax car with Dodo Juice Diamond White but not sure if this is necessary

My only plan for the inside of the car at the moment is Gtechniq smart fabric on the cloth seats

Does this look okay or is there a fatal flaw in the plan? I'm not particularly keen on claying the car as I've never done it before and wouldn't want to make a mess of it. I'm hoping the Iron X will be enough. I could also use snow foam but what are benefits of this compared to hand washing or is it just another stage?

Thanks

Craig  :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:   
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: Buck on 22 July 2013, 22:23
This is my plan for when the new car arrives and I'd be interested in people's thoughts.

First of all I have spoken to the dealer and asked them not to hand wash the car so they are going to jet wash it and leave it at that. My understanding is that there will be some residue left on the car just through all the protective sheets that were on it.

When I get it home my plan/thoughts are

1) Hose car down initially
2) Hand wash using the two bucket method with lambswool mit and Meguiars gold class shampoo
3) Hand dry using microfibre cloths
4) Iron-X the entire car to remove any iron particles and any possible left over residue
5) Re-wash car
6) Use Gtechniq C2V3 to seal the entire car and the wheels
7) Still debating this stage - possibly wax car with Dodo Juice Diamond White but not sure if this is necessary

My only plan for the inside of the car at the moment is Gtechniq smart fabric on the cloth seats

Does this look okay or is there a fatal flaw in the plan? I'm not particularly keen on claying the car as I've never done it before and wouldn't want to make a mess of it. I'm hoping the Iron X will be enough. I could also use snow foam but what are benefits of this compared to hand washing or is it just another stage?

Thanks

Craig  :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Craig

I would snow foam first and allow to dwell. This will help shift any heavier dirt/residue

Iron x will be key especially on white as there's likel to be fallout on the car. I would do this after rinsing off the snow foam then wash using the 2BM (remember separate bucket full for the alloys and tyres!)

If you are asking the dealer not to prep your may find wax residue and also marks on the paint/glue residue from the edges of the protective film.

Gtechniq C2 is a great sealant so that's a good choice (I'd take the wheels off and do both sides but that's my OCD!)

I wouldn't wax as this doesn't IMO add to the finish and wax is more dirt attractive than sealant alone.

Just top up after each wash with a spray of gtechniq s quick detailer to keep it  :cool:

Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: monkeyhanger on 22 July 2013, 22:23
This is my plan for when the new car arrives and I'd be interested in people's thoughts.

First of all I have spoken to the dealer and asked them not to hand wash the car so they are going to jet wash it and leave it at that. My understanding is that there will be some residue left on the car just through all the protective sheets that were on it.

When I get it home my plan/thoughts are

1) Hose car down initially
2) Hand wash using the two bucket method with lambswool mit and Meguiars gold class shampoo
3) Hand dry using microfibre cloths
4) Iron-X the entire car to remove any iron particles and any possible left over residue
5) Re-wash car
6) Use Gtechniq C2V3 to seal the entire car and the wheels
7) Still debating this stage - possibly wax car with Dodo Juice Diamond White but not sure if this is necessary

My only plan for the inside of the car at the moment is Gtechniq smart fabric on the cloth seats

Does this look okay or is there a fatal flaw in the plan? I'm not particularly keen on claying the car as I've never done it before and wouldn't want to make a mess of it. I'm hoping the Iron X will be enough. I could also use snow foam but what are benefits of this compared to hand washing or is it just another stage?

Thanks

Craig  :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Exactly what I will be doing, except using G-Techniq's own shampoo and skipping the Iron -X part. Iron - X is something I would definitely do on a white car, not so bothered for other colours. Don't know whether white is more likely to have particulate iron on/in it as an impurity, or whether it would just be more noticeable on white. You can top up your C2V3 with a 1/20 dilution wiped or sprayed on and then towel dried to a shine every month. Don't spray too much - it goes a long way and is smeary when you're trying to get excess off. Leaving my dad in charge of spraying was a bad idea treating his - he used over 400ml of the stuff and I was wringing copious amounts out of my microfibre cloths. 150ml is probably more than enough for 1 treatment of the car as a litre does 80m2 apparently.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 22 July 2013, 22:33
This is my plan for when the new car arrives and I'd be interested in people's thoughts.

First of all I have spoken to the dealer and asked them not to hand wash the car so they are going to jet wash it and leave it at that. My understanding is that there will be some residue left on the car just through all the protective sheets that were on it.

When I get it home my plan/thoughts are

1) Hose car down initially
2) Hand wash using the two bucket method with lambswool mit and Meguiars gold class shampoo
3) Hand dry using microfibre cloths
4) Iron-X the entire car to remove any iron particles and any possible left over residue
5) Re-wash car
6) Use Gtechniq C2V3 to seal the entire car and the wheels
7) Still debating this stage - possibly wax car with Dodo Juice Diamond White but not sure if this is necessary

My only plan for the inside of the car at the moment is Gtechniq smart fabric on the cloth seats

Does this look okay or is there a fatal flaw in the plan? I'm not particularly keen on claying the car as I've never done it before and wouldn't want to make a mess of it. I'm hoping the Iron X will be enough. I could also use snow foam but what are benefits of this compared to hand washing or is it just another stage?

Thanks

Craig  :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Exactly what I will be doing, except using G-Techniq's own shampoo and skipping the Iron -X part. Iron - X is something I would definitely do on a white car, not so bothered for other colours. Don't know whether white is more likely to have particulate iron on/in it as an impurity, or whether it would just be more noticeable on white. You can top up your C2V3 with a 1/20 dilution wiped or sprayed on and then towel dried to a shine every month. Don't spray too much - it goes a long way and is smeary when you're trying to get excess off. Leaving my dad in charge of spraying was a bad idea treating his - he used over 400ml of the stuff and I was wringing copious amounts out of my microfibre cloths. 150ml is probably more than enough for 1 treatment of the car as a litre does 80m2 apparently.

Thanks mate

Will you be applying a layer of wax or just using the sealant?
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: monkeyhanger on 22 July 2013, 22:45

Will you be applying a layer of wax or just using the sealant?

Probably just the sealant (unless the shine doesn't impress on a Tornado Red - although my dad's GTD looked amazing so I think that possibility is highly unlikely), Longer term wax is a bit of a sh!te magnet. Also you don't have to be careful with C2V3 - you can put it on any surface and it won't leave an unsightly residue or whitening. Waxing means you have to be very careful around trim and rubbers. The beading of C2V3 is amazing and the car feels like it is coated in Teflon.

There is a place on the net other than the official site that only requires you to spend £30 for free delivery, it is: theultimatefinish.co.uk. The official site requires a £55 spend. Not sure how C2V3 stands up to wheel application. Probably won't last as long as the bodywork between treatments, but I really don't want to spend £22.50 on a tiny 15ml bottle of C5 wheel armour when applying C2V3 every 3 months will probably do the same job.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: p3asa on 22 July 2013, 23:06
@ CraigW, here is a detailer that covers Glasgow http://www.rgkdetailing.com and seems to have a decent reputation on the detailingworld forum.
Interesting in his Blogs he mentions the supplying dealers a few times for not preparing their cars properly or causing swirls.
I also see in his Blog he's done a MK7 Golf that the supplying dealer refused to allow him to prep before delivery.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 22 July 2013, 23:19
@ CraigW, here is a detailer that covers Glasgow http://www.rgkdetailing.com and seems to have a decent reputation on the detailingworld forum.
Interesting in his Blogs he mentions the supplying dealers a few times for not preparing their cars properly or causing swirls.
I also see in his Blog he's done a MK7 Golf that the supplying dealer refused to allow him to prep before delivery.

Thanks P3asa. I did think about going down this route but it is bloody expensive and I'm hoping I can do half decent job myself with the right tools and a bit of elbow grease  :smiley: :smiley:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: DougL on 23 July 2013, 02:23
...leave unsightly residue or whitening. Waxing means you have to be very careful around trim and rubbers.

Decent waxes (eg Victoria, Collinite) won't do this.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: p3asa on 23 July 2013, 12:37
Thanks P3asa. I did think about going down this route but it is bloody expensive and I'm hoping I can do half decent job myself with the right tools and a bit of elbow grease  :smiley: :smiley:

Yeah if you take your time you will do a decent job. Its only if the dealer adds any swirls to the paintwork that you might need it corrected professionally.

When I picked my new Golf up from the Verve Rutherglen it had a scratch on the drivers door. No problem said the salesman and he disappeared with the car for 5 minutes. It came back looking perfect. However after a few washes the scratch had come back and the marring round it about it glistening in the sun was shocking.  I reckon they had only just put some glaze over it to basically mask it for a few months  :sick:

I did have a list of detailers and prices around the Glasgow area but as usual when looking for it I can't find it!!

Hopefully your car will be pristine and no need to worry.  :smiley:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 23 July 2013, 13:48
Thanks P3asa. I did think about going down this route but it is bloody expensive and I'm hoping I can do half decent job myself with the right tools and a bit of elbow grease  :smiley: :smiley:

Yeah if you take your time you will do a decent job. Its only if the dealer adds any swirls to the paintwork that you might need it corrected professionally.

When I picked my new Golf up from the Verve Rutherglen it had a scratch on the drivers door. No problem said the salesman and he disappeared with the car for 5 minutes. It came back looking perfect. However after a few washes the scratch had come back and the marring round it about it glistening in the sun was shocking.  I reckon they had only just put some glaze over it to basically mask it for a few months  :sick:

I did have a list of detailers and prices around the Glasgow area but as usual when looking for it I can't find it!!

Hopefully your car will be pristine and no need to worry.  :smiley:

Thanks p3asa. Fingers crossed all will be ok with it.  :smiley: I'll make sure I do a thorough inspection before I drive off in it  :smiley: :smiley:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: drisser on 26 July 2013, 20:39
I have to admit I am a virgin when it comes to proper detailing and could do with a second view.

This guy is near where my dealer is, can anyone give me an honest view on his detailing options and let me know if a protection or enhancement would be a good investment.. And if so do I just tell the dealer to power wash only..

http://www.detailingandvaleting.com/detailing_services.html

Or am I being too paranoid ?   Might pop into showroom tomorrow and ask if I can see a car that is prepped for customer delivery?
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: p3asa on 26 July 2013, 22:00
Looking at other cars the dealer has prepped won't really tell you anything as they will probably just cover the car in polish / glaze to mark it really shine and stand out.
They will look good but it won't be until a good few washes later when that glaze comes off (depending on what you use to wash the car) that any swirls / marring will be seen. Although in saying that if you look at cars they have prepped and can see obvious problems, I'd stay well away from them prepping it.
Have a look over at http://www.detailingworld.co.uk for really useful info.

Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: monkeyhanger on 26 July 2013, 22:06
I have to admit I am a virgin when it comes to proper detailing and could do with a second view.

This guy is near where my dealer is, can anyone give me an honest view on his detailing options and let me know if a protection or enhancement would be a good investment.. And if so do I just tell the dealer to power wash only..

http://www.detailingandvaleting.com/detailing_services.html

Or am I being too paranoid ?   Might pop into showroom tomorrow and ask if I can see a car that is prepped for customer delivery?

Some people will lose sleep over the moost minor imperfections that you will only see on an overcast day when it's not quite sunset and a full moon is in the sky etc  :tongue: There was someone on Scirocconet that was obsessed with swirls/cobwebs etc he was forever machine polishing his car and actually wore away the lacquer layer of his pearl black Scirocco over 2 years.

Pick a decent product that is easy to apply and you can do it yourself, even as a novice. That's why I picked the G-Techniq C2V3 for my dad's car (and mine, when it arrives).

For
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 26 July 2013, 22:06
This is my plan for when the new car arrives and I'd be interested in people's thoughts.

First of all I have spoken to the dealer and asked them not to hand wash the car so they are going to jet wash it and leave it at that. My understanding is that there will be some residue left on the car just through all the protective sheets that were on it.

When I get it home my plan/thoughts are

1) Hose car down initially
2) Hand wash using the two bucket method with lambswool mit and Meguiars gold class shampoo
3) Hand dry using microfibre cloths
4) Iron-X the entire car to remove any iron particles and any possible left over residue
5) Re-wash car
6) Use Gtechniq C2V3 to seal the entire car and the wheels
7) Still debating this stage - possibly wax car with Dodo Juice Diamond White but not sure if this is necessary

My only plan for the inside of the car at the moment is Gtechniq smart fabric on the cloth seats

Does this look okay or is there a fatal flaw in the plan? I'm not particularly keen on claying the car as I've never done it before and wouldn't want to make a mess of it. I'm hoping the Iron X will be enough. I could also use snow foam but what are benefits of this compared to hand washing or is it just another stage?

Thanks

Craig  :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Craig

I would snow foam first and allow to dwell. This will help shift any heavier dirt/residue

Iron x will be key especially on white as there's likel to be fallout on the car. I would do this after rinsing off the snow foam then wash using the 2BM (remember separate bucket full for the alloys and tyres!)

If you are asking the dealer not to prep your may find wax residue and also marks on the paint/glue residue from the edges of the protective film.

Gtechniq C2 is a great sealant so that's a good choice (I'd take the wheels off and do both sides but that's my OCD!)

I wouldn't wax as this doesn't IMO add to the finish and wax is more dirt attractive than sealant alone.

Just top up after each wash with a spray of gtechniq s quick detailer to keep it  :cool:

Thanks Buck! I'm now going to go down the snow foam route. I've ordered pro valet snow foam as I've heard it's pretty good so going to give that a go  :smiley:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: drisser on 26 July 2013, 23:10
I have to admit I am a virgin when it comes to proper detailing and could do with a second view.

This guy is near where my dealer is, can anyone give me an honest view on his detailing options and let me know if a protection or enhancement would be a good investment.. And if so do I just tell the dealer to power wash only..

http://www.detailingandvaleting.com/detailing_services.html

Or am I being too paranoid ?   Might pop into showroom tomorrow and ask if I can see a car that is prepped for customer delivery?

Some people will lose sleep over the moost minor imperfections that you will only see on an overcast day when it's not quite sunset and a full moon is in the sky etc  :tongue: There was someone on Scirocconet that was obsessed with swirls/cobwebs etc he was forever machine polishing his car and actually wore away the lacquer layer of his pearl black Scirocco over 2 years.

Pick a decent product that is easy to apply and you can do it yourself, even as a novice. That's why I picked the G-Techniq C2V3 for my dad's car (and mine, when it arrives).

For

I did wonder whether just a decent hand polish with a good product would be enough.. I am also not a fan of spending £200 straight after picking up a new car.. So wondered if all this is necessary..

Will that polish give some stone chip protection or need to buy something more specific for that ?
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: monkeyhanger on 26 July 2013, 23:16
I have to admit I am a virgin when it comes to proper detailing and could do with a second view.

This guy is near where my dealer is, can anyone give me an honest view on his detailing options and let me know if a protection or enhancement would be a good investment.. And if so do I just tell the dealer to power wash only..

http://www.detailingandvaleting.com/detailing_services.html

Or am I being too paranoid ?   Might pop into showroom tomorrow and ask if I can see a car that is prepped for customer delivery?

Some people will lose sleep over the moost minor imperfections that you will only see on an overcast day when it's not quite sunset and a full moon is in the sky etc  :tongue: There was someone on Scirocconet that was obsessed with swirls/cobwebs etc he was forever machine polishing his car and actually wore away the lacquer layer of his pearl black Scirocco over 2 years.

Pick a decent product that is easy to apply and you can do it yourself, even as a novice. That's why I picked the G-Techniq C2V3 for my dad's car (and mine, when it arrives).

For

I did wonder whether just a decent hand polish with a good product would be enough.. I am also not a fan of spending £200 straight after picking up a new car.. So wondered if all this is necessary..

Will that polish give some stone chip protection or need to buy something more specific for that ?

Stone chip protection will require a clear wrap on the front end or a Star Wars ISD shield generator (VW say you can only order that in conjunction with hyderdrive reverse power coupling for an extra £450).  :tongue:

No 35 micron (or thereabouts) product coating (sealant/wax) is going to protect against stone chips unfortunately.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 26 July 2013, 23:17
I have to admit I am a virgin when it comes to proper detailing and could do with a second view.

This guy is near where my dealer is, can anyone give me an honest view on his detailing options and let me know if a protection or enhancement would be a good investment.. And if so do I just tell the dealer to power wash only..

http://www.detailingandvaleting.com/detailing_services.html

Or am I being too paranoid ?   Might pop into showroom tomorrow and ask if I can see a car that is prepped for customer delivery?

Some people will lose sleep over the moost minor imperfections that you will only see on an overcast day when it's not quite sunset and a full moon is in the sky etc  :tongue: There was someone on Scirocconet that was obsessed with swirls/cobwebs etc he was forever machine polishing his car and actually wore away the lacquer layer of his pearl black Scirocco over 2 years.

Pick a decent product that is easy to apply and you can do it yourself, even as a novice. That's why I picked the G-Techniq C2V3 for my dad's car (and mine, when it arrives).

For

I did wonder whether just a decent hand polish with a good product would be enough.. I am also not a fan of spending £200 straight after picking up a new car.. So wondered if all this is necessary..

Will that polish give some stone chip protection or need to buy something more specific for that ?

Unfortunately no amount of polish will provide stone chip protection. For that you would need venture shield or something similar which is costly
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 09 August 2013, 20:44
After giving this a great deal of thought I ended up deciding to go down the professional detailer route. I was scared I might make a complete mess of things and I wanted to be 100% confident that the car was getting the best treatment possible.

So I contacted a detailer which another forum member had suggested and got a couple of quotes from him for two different treatments. The first quote was for a polymer based sealant which I was told would protect the car for about 6 months. The second was more expensive using a ceramic sealant but had been tested up to 18months.

I decided to go for the more expensive treatment as I thought that I had spent £28k + so far so what was another few hundred for peace of mind.

I handed the car over to Richard last Wednesday and it took two days to go through the entire process which was:

Wash using two bucket method
Remove any remaining residue on car
Correct any defects through machine polish
Clay the car removing any contaminants from transportation
Use sealant on paintwork and wheels
Apply further layer of polish for protection

I have to say Richard did a fantastic job and the car was sparkling when I collected it  :smiley:

Anyway here is a link to Richard's page to see pics of the full process

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.206724579491641.1073741848.137800909717342&type=1

And here are a few pics of earlier this week showing the beading on the car after some rain


(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/CraigW_01/IMG_03821.jpg) (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/CraigW_01/media/IMG_03821.jpg.html)


(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/CraigW_01/IMG_03811.jpg) (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/CraigW_01/media/IMG_03811.jpg.html)

(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/CraigW_01/IMG_03851.jpg) (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/CraigW_01/media/IMG_03851.jpg.html)


Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: p3asa on 11 August 2013, 00:34
That looks awesome Craig. Did he do any protection on the inside at all?

If it lasts 18 months then you're on to a winner and it will be well worth it.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 11 August 2013, 11:17
That looks awesome Craig. Did he do any protection on the inside at all?

If it lasts 18 months then you're on to a winner and it will be well worth it.

Thanks pal. He tidied a few things up inside like taking some residue of the interior door handles but no interior protection as such. When I got home I used the gteq fabric protector on the seats. That stuff is lethal if you inhale the fumes which I did quite a few times  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: p3asa on 11 August 2013, 12:03
......That stuff is lethal if you inhale the fumes which I did quite a few times  :grin: :grin:

You mean you're still high, man  :laugh:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: JoeGTI on 19 August 2013, 23:14
I decided to do similar to Craig and let a pro at mine. I'll let the pics do the talking!!

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/joeA3/GTI/null_zps0c18da65.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/joeA3/GTI/null_zps806a74a5.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/joeA3/GTI/null_zpsce76ebcf.jpg)
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 19 August 2013, 23:27
Looks excellent Joe. Love the pics. I think from my point of view it was definitely the right route to go down and now everything I see the water beading of the car it just brings a smile to my face.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: JoeGTI on 19 August 2013, 23:34
Looks excellent Joe. Love the pics. I think from my point of view it was definitely the right route to go down and now everything I see the water beading of the car it just brings a smile to my face.

Yeah I'm glad I did it. It's CQuartz too, similar to yours I'd say. Will be interesting to see how long lasting it is but I've heard first hand that it lasts for ages.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 19 August 2013, 23:36
Looks excellent Joe. Love the pics. I think from my point of view it was definitely the right route to go down and now everything I see the water beading of the car it just brings a smile to my face.

Yeah I'm glad I did it. It's CQuartz too, similar to yours I'd say. Will be interesting to see how long lasting it is but I've heard first hand that it lasts for ages.

Yip my detailer had tested it up to 18 months and it was still going strong
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: EpicUsername on 10 September 2013, 20:31
I want to thank all you guys for the hints and tips contained in this thread. I've ordered my GTD from the garage in Rutherglen, so will probably be going down a route similar to most of you and having it power washed at the dealership then professionally detailed after pick up.

Of course the delivery date is Oct 30 so I have plenty of time to change my mind lol.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: p3asa on 10 September 2013, 22:27
Did you get a decent deal with them?
I ordered my last Golf through them when they were the Verve and didn't get much of a deal. Went back to them to see
what they could offer on a new Mk6 GTD. They tried to give me a decent deal but couldn't quite get there.
They said they would see if they could get me more on my trade in and give me a call.
I got a call eventually, 4 months later to see if I was still looking for a new Golf!!
By that point I had factory ordered a new A1 and had just taken delivery of it.

Not the sharpest organisation  :laugh:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: EpicUsername on 10 September 2013, 22:44
Did you get a decent deal with them?
I ordered my last Golf through them when they were the Verve and didn't get much of a deal. Went back to them to see
what they could offer on a new Mk6 GTD. They tried to give me a decent deal but couldn't quite get there.
They said they would see if they could get me more on my trade in and give me a call.
I got a call eventually, 4 months later to see if I was still looking for a new Golf!!
By that point I had factory ordered a new A1 and had just taken delivery of it.

Not the sharpest organisation  :laugh:


I had been to another Verve garage closer to me and they tried to take me for a ride (offering me 2k less for my S2000 than what Glassnet suggests among other things) so I politely informed them I wasn't going to take any bull.

They really wouldn't move on the stock price, and seeing the demand for the GTD I can understand why. I did however get them to throw in some bits like the Navigation system and a full tank of fuel so all in all I probably got almost 900 off the price. At first I thought I could have pushed for more but reading all the posts on here I'm starting to think I was quite lucky considering how rubbish I am at negotiating  :grin:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 10 September 2013, 23:38
I want to thank all you guys for the hints and tips contained in this thread. I've ordered my GTD from the garage in Rutherglen, so will probably be going down a route similar to most of you and having it power washed at the dealership then professionally detailed after pick up.

Of course the delivery date is Oct 30 so I have plenty of time to change my mind lol.

Detailer is the way forward my friend. The guy i went to did an excellent job on mine and you can really see the effects when it's been raining. Also no requirement for any sort of waxing in between washes  :smiley:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: EpicUsername on 11 September 2013, 09:27
Yeah I'm thinking I'll contact that guy you were talking about earlier in the thread. I'm from North Lanarkshire so if he covers Glasgow I can't see him saying no lol
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: DougL on 16 October 2013, 19:21
I emailed my dealer to say that I didn't want the car touched before collection. They did what I said, but I didn't really expect them not to have removed the stickers and transport protection. At least they did remove the suspension pucks!

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5527/10314538996_3525cb49c3_h.jpg)
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 16 October 2013, 19:29
 :grin: :grin: that's following your request to the letter. I think I would maybe get them to remove the stickers.

Looking really good  :smiley:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: DougL on 16 October 2013, 19:45
I was a bit open-mouthed to be honest, but actually pleased at the same time. They said that they'd never had such a request before! Anyway, Saturday looks as if it might be dry and have reasonable temperatures, so I'll be attempting to work a bit of magic on the car with some potions then...
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: neilgcal on 12 November 2013, 23:36
After giving this a great deal of thought I ended up deciding to go down the professional detailer route. I was scared I might make a complete mess of things and I wanted to be 100% confident that the car was getting the best treatment possible.

So I contacted a detailer which another forum member had suggested and got a couple of quotes from him for two different treatments. The first quote was for a polymer based sealant which I was told would protect the car for about 6 months. The second was more expensive using a ceramic sealant but had been tested up to 18months.

I decided to go for the more expensive treatment as I thought that I had spent £28k + so far so what was another few hundred for peace of mind.

I handed the car over to Richard last Wednesday and it took two days to go through the entire process which was:

Wash using two bucket method
Remove any remaining residue on car
Correct any defects through machine polish
Clay the car removing any contaminants from transportation
Use sealant on paintwork and wheels
Apply further layer of polish for protection

I have to say Richard did a fantastic job and the car was sparkling when I collected it  :smiley:

Anyway here is a link to Richard's page to see pics of the full process

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.206724579491641.1073741848.137800909717342&type=1

And here are a few pics of earlier this week showing the beading on the car after some rain


(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/CraigW_01/IMG_03821.jpg) (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/CraigW_01/media/IMG_03821.jpg.html)


(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/CraigW_01/IMG_03811.jpg) (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/CraigW_01/media/IMG_03811.jpg.html)

(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/CraigW_01/IMG_03851.jpg) (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/CraigW_01/media/IMG_03851.jpg.html)

Hey Craig,

My car is hopefully going to be ready to pick up next weekend and I was considering going down the same detailing route. What's your views on the treatment 3 months in? How much washing do you need to do to keep the car clean? Is it worth it? Your pictures look impressive so maybe I should try RGK Detailing?

Also I'm due to pick up from the same dealer as you, what stickers etc with Arnold Clark did they add to your car?

Cheers
Neil
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 13 November 2013, 09:20
Hi Neil,

I can't recommend a proper detail highly enough mate. The c-quartz sealant used on the car is really impressive stuff. The overall protection it has given the car is excellent and the beading is amazing. The detailer reckons it will last for about 18 months. It's so easy to keep the car clean, it only requires a normal wash. I was told there was no need for any further applications which is great as on my previous car I used to apply Autoglym SRP and then high protection gloss every quarter which was a bugger of a job.

I can recommend Richard from RGK, he really know his stuff  :smiley:

As for the stickers pal as far as i can remember there was just the one dealer sticker on the rear window. I had asked them not to put any stickers on the car but of course they ignored me. There would also have been the dealers name on the reg plates but i ended up just providing my own plates.

I had also asked the dealer not to clean the car and just to remove the protective sheets and to be fair thats what they did. In fact, Richard had noted that the car was in pretty good condition because the dealer hadn't touched it.

If you need any more info mate just PM me. Good luck with the car, you will love it  :smiley: :smiley:

 
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: neilgcal on 13 November 2013, 12:59
Cheers for the info Craig.

Yeah I think I will go with this options then and speak to Richard once I have a confirmed collection date. How long did he need your car for to do all the work? Think I will need to go to Aberdeen for the week as soon as I collect so may need to give it to him when I am back.

What sort of price did you get all the work done for? PM me that if you would prefer.

I will maybe get some plates done this weekend as I have my retention document for the plate anyway.

Cheers
Neil
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 13 November 2013, 13:12
Cheers for the info Craig.

Yeah I think I will go with this options then and speak to Richard once I have a confirmed collection date. How long did he need your car for to do all the work? Think I will need to go to Aberdeen for the week as soon as I collect so may need to give it to him when I am back.

What sort of price did you get all the work done for? PM me that if you would prefer.

I will maybe get some plates done this weekend as I have my retention document for the plate anyway.

Cheers
Neil

Just required 2 days Neil so not too bad. It cost £350 but well worth the money  :smiley:
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: neilgcal on 13 November 2013, 15:53
Craig, just spoken to Richard and all looks good for getting the C Quartz protection applied . Had you tried to get the detailing done at the dealer prior to pick up or did you decide to have it done afterwards? Richard said some dealers will allow it, others won't. Haven't got a hold of mine yet.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 13 November 2013, 16:25
Craig, just spoken to Richard and all looks good for getting the C Quartz protection applied . Had you tried to get the detailing done at the dealer prior to pick up or did you decide to have it done afterwards? Richard said some dealers will allow it, others won't. Haven't got a hold of mine yet.

I didn't ask to be honest about the possibility of doing it at the dealership as i wasn't sure how agreeable they would be to it. The other issue is that the c-quartz needs time to cure overnight and so the car would have to be kept indoors. In the end i thought it would be easier just to take it to Richard.

I was lucky in that he had a cancellation just at the time i was looking for it to be done. So basically picked the car up on a Monday evening and dropped it off on the Wednesday. I had the car back by 5pm on the Friday just in time for a wee play at the weekend  :grin:

Who have you been dealing with at the dealership Neil and when do you collect?
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: neilgcal on 13 November 2013, 16:53
Hoping to pick it up next weekend. It is arriving into Port of Tyne tonight and hopefully on a transporter to Glasgow for the weekend or Monday at latest. It's Jonathan Hope I have been dealing with.
Title: Re: dealer prep
Post by: CraigW on 13 November 2013, 17:01
Hoping to pick it up next weekend. It is arriving into Port of Tyne tonight and hopefully on a transporter to Glasgow for the weekend or Monday at latest. It's Jonathan Hope I have been dealing with.

Excellent mate. I dealt with Jonathan as well, top bloke.