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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: Gavv8 on 01 June 2013, 23:29
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In a few months time the m.o.t on my mk3 runs out and i'm planning on laying it up long term and replacing it with something else, now its either a nice mk2 8v or 16v or something completely different as i don't want another mk3 and i've had a go in a mk4 and didn't really like it, i'll have around £4000 to spend and the question is could a mk2 at this price range cope as a daily driver in all weathers and living outside or would this be asking a lot of what is quite an old car now?, i'm quite happy to maintain it properly and it would probably do about 100-150 miles a week...sensible answers please because it really is a choice between a mk2 and leaving the VW fold.
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A mk2 doesn't have the modern comforts of a mk3 but they are capable of daily use .
My worry of dropping £4k on a mk2 daily is you are in the realms of an absolute minter with low miles. If you are using it daily it will be difficult to maintain the condition.
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Well i've spent a fair amount of time scanning the various ads and it seems you need to spend up around this level to get something rust free and well looked after and my motivation is that i don't really like new cars much and i reckon that if i don't experience mk2 ownership now the prices will start rise out of my range.
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Most of Ya budget will get ya decent mk2 on a classic policy for toy duties :cool:
Rest on a sh!tter old g3 diesel or polo for spanking on daily duties :evil:
And have you been drinking mr mk3 for life :laugh:
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I've actually been putting some serious thought in to this :grin: it would have to be my daily and not a toy, we do have another much newer car (the wifes) for long distance/tip trips/school run duties so the golf wouldn't be subjected to hard use, would just be mainly me using it to go to work and run around in and it would have to be totally standard.
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I've owned a mk2 gti 8v before, and then I put a VR lump in it and then I sold it.
I own a mk3 8v now and to be honest the MK3 is what I like. I wouldn't buy another MK2 in my life. Yes I'll admit it's much more popular than the MK3 but I still prefer the MK3 over any MK2.
The dash styling compared to the MK3 is sh!te, and the mk3 feels very modern.
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I pass a on a daily basis, it looks like its had a hard life :sick:
Mine has sat outside all year, driven at least once a week in all weathers , but it did only cost me 500 :lipsrsealed:
Good luck
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1.4tdi Polo will give you much the same sensation and use teeny tiny amounts of fuel. Get some good dampers on it and rebush it and you're fit for a fun ride.
Alternatively head off to Germany and get something interesting and Golf-shaped for your budget.
Never heard scrapping a car referred to as 'laying up' before.
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Be a better viewpoint in here, sure mr blue will be best to advise on mk2 daily usage :afro:
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1.4tdi Polo will give you much the same sensation and use teeny tiny amounts of fuel. Get some good dampers on it and rebush it and you're fit for a fun ride.
Alternatively head off to Germany and get something interesting and Golf-shaped for your budget.
Never heard scrapping a car referred to as 'laying up' before.
Would it be worth going to Germany to find a better mk2?, i don't mind if its worth the effort and the mk3 isn't getting scrapped just going to sleep in the corner of a friends warehouse for a while, i had a good look at what it'll need for the next mot and it realistically needs about £500 spent which i think is just money down the drain.. it has sentimental value.
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In that case spanking 4k on a mk2 to spank as a daily is crazy :laugh:
May I suggest a Fabia vrs diesel for 3k, then put the rest into the mk3 if it's being kept for that reason.
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I do want a mk2, i just don't want to spend four grand and find it's just to much to ask a twenty year old car to do ten year old car duties.
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In that case spanking 4k on a mk2 to spank as a daily is crazy :laugh:
May I suggest a Fabia vrs diesel for 3k, then put the rest into the mk3 if it's being kept for that reason.
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I understand what your saying and i've had a good look through the skoda/vw/audi family but the mk2 is an itch i need to scratch but i won't ruin one just for the hell of it.
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Well just like a mk3, you buy on shell condition first,
After that it's down to budget and personal requirements.
Tidy gtd on eBay at the moment, better suited maybe ?
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Have a look at mobile.de for Golfs of the relevant age. There's a lot of stuff we didn't get. Importing isn't too challenging either.
Golf3 Syncro TDI? VR6 Syncro estate? Golf2 G60 Gti? Passat G60 Syncro?
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Oh sh1te, it's that voice again. :evil:
I have blocked that site :grin:
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I've been looking at 8v and 16v mk2's, i don't know what the strengths and weaknesses are of these engines and i've seen high mileage but well maintained 16v's in my budget and low mileage 8v's.
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Both engines are very strong. One doesn't have enough valves. The other has an accident waiting to happen attached to it.
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Have a look at mobile.de for Golfs of the relevant age. There's a lot of stuff we didn't get. Importing isn't too challenging either.
Golf3 Syncro TDI? VR6 Syncro estate? Golf2 G60 Gti? Passat G60 Syncro?
Mk3 VR's seem to fetch a lot in Germany....
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Both engines are very strong. One doesn't have enough valves. The other has an accident waiting to happen attached to it.
Is this the crunchy second gear that gets mentioned in several adverts, and is it that serious?
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Both engines are very strong. One doesn't have enough valves. The other has an accident waiting to happen attached to it.
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Don't rule out a non gti ! As long as the pierburg has been replaced. :sick:
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I would really like it to be a Gti, i'm not bothered if its the slower 8v if i could find a good rust free one as i don't plan on ragging it, the 16v's seem to command quite a premium but would it be worth the extra?
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Daily use ! In standard form, nah - buy what ya want. :smiley:
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Yup but what if what i want isn't what i need?, i can't afford to throw four grand away and running old cars is always a bit of a gamble offset by the fact that mk2 is generally a tough old thing.. :undecided:
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now thats the gamble you have to take. and there is no other way to go. :whistle:
dan apps on here spent LARGE on a Mk2 16v from a " specialist " to run as a daily, within months it was off the road and is now scrapped. Rust was his killer , but hidden from view from any checks he could have done when buying , but something the " specialist " should have noticed. :shocked: :lipsrsealed:
as for mechanical parts, you know yourself being a mk3 and ex disco owner, be it a high or low mileage car, you just dont know what could happen to ANY part of it in the next week, month or year :huh:
its an EXPENSIVE itch to scratch Gav thats for sure, and NO ONE can tell you if your making the right choice. your cash to gamble with, and thats what it is, a gamble. End of. :evil:
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Rust is what i'm most frightened of, i've been maintaining and repairing my own cars for over 20 years so i know i could look after it mechanically but my bodywork skills are seriously limited and it only takes one harsh winter to start the downhill spiral.
I've decided that i'm going to avoid the dealers and have a good look at cars that have been owned by knowledgeable enthusiasts that may have had a lot of work done but at least i'll be able to see that its been done.
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I've had both an 8v and a 16v GTi over recent years and have used both to do the work run. That's 31 (admittedly motorway miles) both ways and both coped well. Compared to the Mk6 there's clearly a huge difference in terms of refinement and so on but they coped perfectly well with the job and you're not travelling as far I don't think.
The problem is, that once I'd had the 8v I immediately wanted a 16v and as has been stated, you need to spend big to get a mint bodied one. That is what I did and have since spent a fortune on it since having resprays, full engine refurbs and so on. Consequently, there's absolutely no way I'll be using it as a daily. Concours duty only now and it'll certainly never go out in the rain ever again. Rust is indeed the killer and you wouldn't want to kill a minter (if you can find one) by using it in mid January. It would break my heart to do that to mine now it's so sorted.
Before I scratched the Mk2 itch I was originally looking at Mk3s and would have been quite happy using one of those as a daily - they are significantly more refined.
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I've owned my 1.3 (replaced pierburg now) for 11 years, dad had it since 1989 before that. I still use it as a daily (in fact i also have a new VW so every other day) and i still prefer it to the new car. Though both are different sorts of drives so hard to make a direct comparison. Did break down the other month, replaced ignition system and all fine now (so far!) A 10 year old car needs things doing to it as well, so its no different to a 25 year old car that also needs things doing. If you dont want to ever do anything, buy a new car every three years, and thats still no guarantee!
Granted mine isnt a GTI, but it is still 25 years old, 175k on original engine, and still great fun to drive!
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Having run mk2s as dailys for around 5years I think you would be mental to spend 4k on one and use it all year round, jobs will soon start piling up and you have to think can you really be bothered to be lying on your back at 11pm when it's -5 outside just so you can get to work in the morning? I was fortunate using mine as a daily as I worked close enough to home to use alternative methods to get to work if the worst happens.
Mine also looked nice on the outside apart from a scab on the fuel filler, when I took the car off the road to switch the gearbox after the diff went I poked said scab and soon found myself looking inside the boot from the outside of the car, I then did a full body strip down and ended up needing a battery tray, small inner wing repair, a front wing, two sills, both outer rear arches and one inner arch repair and a small repair on the rear valence. After all of that it would of needed a full respray so I knocked it on the head
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I'm beginning to think this might not be such a good idea but i've seen a couple of 8v's locally for around the £2650-3000 mark so i think i'm going to go and have a look.
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Both engines are very strong. One doesn't have enough valves. The other has an accident waiting to happen attached to it.
They sure do, less forgiving than a roly poly Mk3 with abs.
Everything about a Mk2 16v is spanking it to the limiter, if you drive it daily this will become a problem unless you are Mother Theresa.
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Both engines are very strong. One doesn't have enough valves. The other has an accident waiting to happen attached to it.
Is this the crunchy second gear that gets mentioned in several adverts, and is it that serious?
No - it's the K-Jet injection system - tends to run lean at high revs, meaning if you do it enough times you're likely to grenade the motor.... or it'll go out of adjustment and grenade the motor.
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Is it the same system on the 8v and 16v? as i would have thought the 8v would encourage gentler driving , every article i read about the mk2 16v describes how much fun it is to rag.
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Both fun to rag, the 16v just has so much more at the higher revs. 8v feels it has more torque at the lower end.
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Personal view would be to get an 8v as uses a lot less fuel and the pb engine is alot less prone to issues. second gear crunch is a common issue can be improved by using a mk3 weighted gearshift rod. also a very common gearbox to replace as the same in all mk3 1.8 golfs. But as said before buy on shell condition. I have found through yrs of buying them and in the distant past breaking them that 5drs tend to be in more original condition and also cheaper but more practical as a daily. If you do get an 8v I would suggest upgrading the brakes and which ever golf the headlight loom. Good luck with your search. Mileage pah had several mk2 golfs pushing 250K so how it sounds is key and certainly from cold
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Thanks for all the feedback as this is helping me to come to the right decision, for now i'm going to concentrate on the 8v as i think i have a better chance of getting a good usable one around my budget.
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Is it the same system on the 8v and 16v? as i would have thought the 8v would encourage gentler driving , every article i read about the mk2 16v describes how much fun it is to rag.
Up to 86 the 8v ran on k-jet. After that it changed to Digifant which is an electronic injection system and should be more reliable - although it's still pretty basic. There are many reasons people fit ABFs from the Golf3 - the better management is a key one of these. As an example Dannyp did a brim to brim on the run back from Germany and saw 40mpg. What's not to like about that?
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I was going to look at an abf'd mk2 three door but it's been lowered etc and i don't want to go down that road again...then this popped up on ebay.. :drool:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1988-VOLKSWAGEN-GOLF-MK2-GTI-OAK-GREEN-CAMPAIGN-GOLF-IN-TEN-MILLION-1-0F-300-/221235644879?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3382ac09cf