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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: matchboy on 14 May 2013, 14:36

Title: GTI Petrol
Post by: matchboy on 14 May 2013, 14:36
Getting ahead of myself here (have to do something to fill the wait  :laugh:) but was wondering if anyone knows what the best petrol will be for the Mk 7?  I remember with the 6 that the super unleaded had no real effect on performance/consumption over normal unleaded, whereas with the 5 the super made a noticeable improvement.  Am guessing that with the 7 it will be the same??

Probably just answered my own question really given that 7 comes after 6....  :lipsrsealed:

Saying that, will you chaps be super-ing-it-up or sticking with the normal unleaded?!
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: CraigW on 14 May 2013, 14:44
I would always tend to go with a 99 Ron fuel even though its more expensive. I've only ever used vpower in my current car and although in theory it's supposed to give you a few more bhp it's not the main reason I buy it. It's mostly for the cleaning additives rather. Further down the line if you want to remap the car it's better going for a higher octane fuel
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Gryzor on 14 May 2013, 14:59
Personally I go for standard fuel, don't really fall for the whole "more bhp" and "better cleaning" marketing talk.  I'm sure it does, but to a demonstrable degree in reality?  There are plenty of other cheaper options you can use to clean out the injectors etc. without having to pay a few quid extra every time you fill up. 

BTW, I've currently got a Mk5, and I've tried a few sequential runs of super in it.  I definitely would not say there was a noticeable improvement, in any aspect.
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Bill_the_Bear on 14 May 2013, 17:03
Was just thinking about this at the pump today.  Like with the performance pack its something that needs a more serious test to actually know if its worth it or not.

How about oil?  What do you guys like to use?
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Aidey on 14 May 2013, 17:41
Where i live i really only have a tesco station, out in the countryside here...
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: CraigW on 14 May 2013, 18:04
 
Was just thinking about this at the pump today.  Like with the performance pack its something that needs a more serious test to actually know if its worth it or not.

How about oil?  What do you guys like to use?

Castrol edge fully synthetic is what I would tend to use. If the oil consumption on the GTI is anything like my TT then you'll end up going through 3-4 litres a year  :sad:
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Bill_the_Bear on 14 May 2013, 18:08
sh!t that's not good. New cars shouldn't be using oil up at all :undecided:
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Poached on 14 May 2013, 19:09
Any ECU that supports adaptive timing advance will benefit from higher octane fuel.

Power results are Dyno proven, hard to say on cleaning additives and better mpg though!
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Jimble on 14 May 2013, 19:53
I only use 99ron in my mk6 apart from once when i couldn't find any where i was but you could definately tell the difference! :angry:

I normally use VPower as it's convenient but i find the car seems to run smoother on Tesco Momentum although for some reason i get more soot on my tailpipes when using the Tesco stuff?? :huh:
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Poached on 14 May 2013, 20:03
Was just thinking about this at the pump today.  Like with the performance pack its something that needs a more serious test to actually know if its worth it or not.

How about oil?  What do you guys like to use?

Castrol edge fully synthetic is what I would tend to use. If the oil consumption on the GTI is anything like my TT then you'll end up going through 3-4 litres a year  :sad:

What mileage were doing a year?
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: GolfTi on 14 May 2013, 20:55
If you own the car then it's worth looking after. Good petrol can only help.
Is it worth it? I don't know but at least if I'm paying too much I feel good about it.
The car feels smoother, mpg is seems better and more responsive.
Opinion over 4 years only.
No conclusive evidence either way that I can find.

Oil.
40k and not used a drop in between services. 3-4 litres a year? On a petrol engine?
I'd be worried.
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: CraigW on 14 May 2013, 20:59
Was just thinking about this at the pump today.  Like with the performance pack its something that needs a more serious test to actually know if its worth it or not.

How about oil?  What do you guys like to use?

Castrol edge fully synthetic is what I would tend to use. If the oil consumption on the GTI is anything like my TT then you'll end up going through 3-4 litres a year  :sad:

What mileage were doing a year?

8k approximately
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: CraigW on 14 May 2013, 21:02
If you own the car then it's worth looking after. Good petrol can only help.
Is it worth it? I don't know but at least if I'm paying too much I feel good about it.
The car feels smoother, mpg is seems better and more responsive.
Opinion over 4 years only.
No conclusive evidence either way that I can find.

Oil.
40k and not used a drop in between services. 3-4 litres a year? On a petrol engine?
I'd be worried.

The car has run fantastically well during the time I've owned it, it just has a bit of a thirst. It's actually very common with the TFSI engines for some reason
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: JoeGTI on 14 May 2013, 21:06
The MKV GTI was notorious for burning oil. I used to have to top mine up regularly and was assured it was pretty normal! Car was well maintained and minded.
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Gryzor on 14 May 2013, 21:20
My MK5 GTI is no better or worse regarding oil than any other car I've owned.  I have never needed to top it up between services.
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Bill_the_Bear on 14 May 2013, 21:52
Well this is very strange.  I can't see any radon why a new car would use oil nor have I ever experienced it.  My current Fiesta had never needed a drop. Yet quite a few replies here say they have needed oil...  :undecided: :undecided: :shocked:

 Don't get it. If I had to put oil in a car less than 3 years old I would want to understand why.
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: JoeGTI on 14 May 2013, 21:56
Well this is very strange.  I can't see any radon why a new car would use oil nor have I ever experienced it.  My current Fiesta had never needed a drop. Yet quite a few replies here say they have needed oil...  :undecided: :undecided: :shocked:

 Don't get it. If I had to put oil in a car less than 3 years old I would want to understand why.

As I said, the TFSI engine in the mk 5 and 6 were known for it. The dealers even gave me 2 pouches with a litre refill in each when I collected the car. Well documented issue.
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: CraigW on 14 May 2013, 22:03
Well this is very strange.  I can't see any radon why a new car would use oil nor have I ever experienced it.  My current Fiesta had never needed a drop. Yet quite a few replies here say they have needed oil...  :undecided: :undecided: :shocked:

 Don't get it. If I had to put oil in a car less than 3 years old I would want to understand why.

As I said, the TFSI engine in the mk 5 and 6 were known for it. The dealers even gave me 2 pouches with a litre refill in each when I collected the car. Well documented issue.

Agreed. Its a common trait of these VAG engines. There's nothing to worry about  :smiley: :smiley:
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Bill_the_Bear on 14 May 2013, 22:07
New engine drinks oil and dealers say its nothing to worry about... Err... I think that makes me more worried.  I cannot foresee any good reason for a new engine to need oil.  And if there is a reason I want them to tell me precisely what it is not just tell me not to worry about it  :shocked:
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: GolfTi on 14 May 2013, 22:08
Disagree with Joe and Craig.

Should not use any oil.

I'd be worried.
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: monkeyhanger on 14 May 2013, 22:15
Is running in method a big factor on oil consumption for TSFI?

It has been for me and my previous VW TDIs. They've all been run in nicely with lots of variety in engine speed, with the occasional incursion to 2/3 throttle, for the first 1000 miles, and none of them have used a drop of oil between services, given good economy and a decent power output. There is one exception. A 140TDI Golf MK5 GT I had was bought from VW Lookers in Burnley via UKNEWCARS and driven directly from the dealership down to relatives in Southampton. That car pretty much sat at 75mph in 6th for the first 300 miles (did the same going back to Newcastle a few days later), and I think it must have glazed the bores. That car was sluggish, thirsty and used a litre of oil every 1000 miles.
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Poached on 14 May 2013, 22:16
Was just thinking about this at the pump today.  Like with the performance pack its something that needs a more serious test to actually know if its worth it or not.

How about oil?  What do you guys like to use?

Castrol edge fully synthetic is what I would tend to use. If the oil consumption on the GTI is anything like my TT then you'll end up going through 3-4 litres a year  :sad:

What mileage were doing a year?

8k approximately

Your TFSI in the TT was 'consuming' a similar amount to my MK5 GTI and was a prime reason for me selling it. I say consuming as I never discovered where it was going.

My MK6 GTI doesn't use much in between 10k services and the TSI appears to fare better in oil consumption in comparison to the older TFSI engine.

VW quote a quart in 600 miles as within limits on TFSI... :shocked:

As for new engines burning a bit of oil... probably the rings and cylinder walls bedding in.
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Poached on 14 May 2013, 22:19
Is running in method a big factor on oil consumption for TSFI?

It has been for me and my previous VW TDIs. They've all been run in nicely with lots of variety in engine speed, with the occasional incursion to 2/3 throttle, for the first 1000 miles, and none of them have used a drop of oil between services, given good economy and a decent power output. There is one exception. A 140TDI Golf MK5 GT I had was bought from VW Lookers in Burnley via UKNEWCARS and driven directly from the dealership down to relatives in Southampton. That car pretty much sat at 75mph in 6th for the first 300 miles (did the same going back to Newcastle a few days later), and I think it must have glazed the bores. That car was sluggish, thirsty and used a litre of oil every 1000 miles.

I often thought this, no need to baby any engine...they are designed to do work.
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: CraigW on 14 May 2013, 23:03
Disagree with Joe and Craig.

Should not use any oil.

I'd be worried.

Honestly, I assure you it's very normal for these type of cars. Just see the link below:-

http://www.ttforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=286592&hilit=OIL&sid=e461f3b9f3258f1d13713a2a263daa2e
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Bill_the_Bear on 15 May 2013, 02:51
Disagree with Joe and Craig.

Should not use any oil.

I'd be worried.

Honestly, I assure you it's very normal for these type of cars. Just see the link below:-

http://www.ttforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=286592&hilit=OIL&sid=e461f3b9f3258f1d13713a2a263daa2e

It may be normal as in 'common' but there is no way it's normal as in 'acceptable'.  If after the first 1000 miles an engine is consuming oil there is something wrong with it and VW/Audi should be fixing or replacing.  You wouldn't accept it if the car let water in or it leaked fuel, why should you accept an engine that leaks or burns oil?  Its faulty, it won't give the advertised performance or efficiency, will wear out and break down fast, and will cost you more in running costs.

My opinion it is shoddy workmanship and should not be accepted.  Because it's expensive they should get away with this less not more!
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Gryzor on 15 May 2013, 08:18
Yeah I agree, it might be "common" (as much as you can believe people moaning about it in forums to be wholly representative), but that does not make it normal and acceptable.  Like I said, my Mk5 GTI loses hardly any oil at all between services.
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Bill_the_Bear on 15 May 2013, 10:13
I think those on here or in that TT link who have experienced this problem are probably representative in so far as there is a bunch of people who have had problems with their FSI engines eating oil.  What I find surprising is that the dealer thinks this is nothing to worry about.  I suppose cynically thinking they would say that as otherwise they have to deal with the problem!

There must be a problem.  Looking at is simplistically if oil is missing then there is a hole in your engine either depositing the oil on the floor, or in your cylinders.  There should not be holes in engines until they are pretty old in my experience.  That said I've mainly driven Fords, but I think it would be odd for VW to be building to a lower standard!
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Gryzor on 15 May 2013, 11:28
I think those on here or in that TT link who have experienced this problem are probably representative in so far as there is a bunch of people who have had problems with their FSI engines eating oil.  What I find surprising is that the dealer thinks this is nothing to worry about.  I suppose cynically thinking they would say that as otherwise they have to deal with the problem!

Yup, I don't disagree.  Just that forums inherently attract more complaints than compliments, so if you go looking for "problems" on forums, they can appear far more prevalent than they actually are.  Anyways, as you say, unless it's a rotary engine, engines shouldn't lose much, if any oil, and if they do the dealer should acknowledge the problem.
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: david25 on 16 May 2013, 16:11
Back on subject, someone needs to open the filler cap and look at the sticker. Older MK5's stated 98, MK6 with the EA888 "world" engine stated 95.
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: Poached on 16 May 2013, 16:29
Back on subject, someone needs to open the filler cap and look at the sticker. Older MK5's stated 98, MK6 with the EA888 "world" engine stated 95.

And.................?
Title: Re: GTI Petrol
Post by: david25 on 16 May 2013, 16:33
Don't know, only journalists have got access to MK7's