GolfGTIforum.co.uk
Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: Len on 29 April 2013, 09:46
-
Anybody seen any for sale?
Just missed one on ebay and there are a few "alternatives" but expensive (£169)
-
I got one on ebay with a flywheel, pressue plate, bearing and friction plate for 150 Had no issues. The cheaper ones been okay for me anyway
-
Dont need the flywheel as I just had one lightened!
-
yeah he got the MK4 type one
you want the same one as what i got Len - MK3 VR6 type (which also fits mk4 gearbox as thats what mine is), not seen any forsale cheap tho
-
Brad.....Would this one be ok for my car as bought it the other day off Ebay. I PM'd Ben about it earlier but I don't think he has been on here today.
I have the BVR 1.8 20vt engine and a 16v GTI gearbox......Here is the link......
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370532857374?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
-
^^ That looks cheap Godzilla ^^ don't think that will last long tbh :undecided:
Len whats wrong with an LUK clutch,great quality and only around £90 handles my turbo motor no problem, so should be sound on your abf
-
Just get a 16v Sachs clutch. I paid £116 as I am fitting my lightened one soon. No need for a Vr one as your car is not putting 200 bhp plus
-
Just get a 16v Sachs clutch. I paid £116 as I am fitting my lightened one soon. No need for a Vr one as your car is not putting 200 bhp plus
Mine is RR'd at 224bhp bud!
-
No I dont mean you bud! :smiley:
-
Just get a 16v Sachs clutch. I paid £116 as I am fitting my lightened one soon. No need for a Vr one as your car is not putting 200 bhp plus
Apart from been stronger aren't they supposed to feel better than the stock clutch when used with an ABF?
-
They are a bit stronger but if your car is not putting out 200+ BHP there is no need. Glen's machine pushes
195BHP and he uses OEM clutch. Ob Kells machine is big power so he uses a Vr clutch. From all the advise
from a few helpful people on here between the two I went for the 16v Sachs clutch as my car will never be
putting out that power :cool
-
The intention is and has always been to head for 200bhp plus!
So I am doing this first
-
I am sure Brad's MK3 is pushing 300bhp+
Len.....I would see about getting a 20vt engine put in. Honestly mate you wont regret it.... mine is fantastic. 0-60 I would say around the late 5's to early 6's and will pull with ease to 120mph and can top out at....Well off the clock! Also....My 20vt is loads better than my VR6 on fuel and I would say about the same as a GTI 16v if driven with care..... Certainly are know where near as bad on fuel as Scooby's and Cossies and performance is about the same as a UK spec Scoob. Off topic here but don't you just hate these lads with VTR VTS Saxo things that say there car can beat a Scoob....Errrr, no!!
Wonder how long my clutch will last being a cheapy :grin:
-
Well off topic but I could out drive a lad and his 333bhp scoob in my mk3 16. :wink:
Pull away from him on the back roads :grin:
Len if your gonna do it, do it right the first time :wink:
-
Well off topic but I could out drive a lad and his 333bhp scoob in my mk3 16. :wink:
Pull away from him on the back roads :grin:
Really laughing here mate :grin: :grin:
-
You can have all the power you want and be able to overtake most people in a straight line.... But if you can't drive then having big power is a waste of money and useless.
-
You can have all the power you want and be able to overtake most people in a straight line.... But if you can't drive then having big power is a waste of money and useless.
Very true if you are going to own a car of such power then you need to be a good driver. I have been driving 22 years and have owned many cars including a few Cossies, one of which was a pure monster. Bloke I work with has an STI Scoob and was rr'd at 289bhp, on the country lanes he is all over me in my 224bhp Golf MK3, but MK3 Golf's have never been that good when it comes to handling compared to the likes of the 205 GTI, R5 GT Turbo and obviously Scoobs and Evo's that are 4WD. In a straight line I can almost keep with him till 120mph then his will pull on me. I wont even go out in his Scoob, scares the life out of me! I did borrow it for 2 weeks last year when he went on holiday.....Collected 2 of my mates as we were going to the gym. I am 6ft and 16st 2lbs as very in to my Bodybuilding but these lads I train with make me look like a dwarf......Classic to see as a load of steroid using bodybuilders got out of the car looking grey! I would love one but running costs are just stupid. My ex girlfriend had a Ferrari 348ts and the Scoob costs more to run as in petrol, even if driven with care!!
-
Why do people think a stronger clutch will be needed for higher power?
It's torque that kills clutches, not power.
Brad could use a higher clamping torque clutch, as could others with a re-mapped 1.8T' turbo 16v or supercharged/turbocharged VR6.
But a standard 16v? Or standard VR6?
Erm...not required.
-
Len if your gonna do it, do it right the first time :wink:
Thats what I intend to do.
This is part of my second step on a very long road.
-
The intention is and has always been to head for 200bhp plus!
So I am doing this first
Very much doubt you'll get to 200. let alone plus, without major work :whistle:
But a sachs 16v clutch is a £1 dearer than a VR one.
£110 here (http://www.vwspares.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=2021)
-
Brad.....Would this one be ok for my car as bought it the other day off Ebay. I PM'd Ben about it earlier but I don't think he has been on here today.
I have the BVR 1.8 20vt engine and a 16v GTI gearbox......Here is the link......
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370532857374?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Don't take the chance. Get a tried and tested sachs. Even LUK can be iffy.
-
I thought LUK & Sachs were same?, reason I say this is because got a skoda octavia clutch kit from GSF about 2 weeks ago for my brothers car. It came in a LUK box, but had sachs stamped on the actual plate.
Confusing :undecided:
-
Sachs & LUK are made by same company, maybe a sister company or some sort. After Reading other posts on BMW forums. People have bought sachs clutch, they've came in sachs box, but have LUK stamped on the plates.
-
Mine came yesterday, Sachs in a Sachs box.
Does say on box that Sachs are a division of ZF, so perhaps LUK are too.
Known of ZF forever for making racing gearboxes and diffs.
-
Mine came yesterday, Sachs in a Sachs box.
Does say on box that Sachs are a division of ZF, so perhaps LUK are too.
Known of ZF forever for making racing gearboxes and diffs.
I'm getting an LUK for my GTI from GSF, so i'll have to wait and see what i get it :drool:
-
You can have all the power you want and be able to overtake most people in a straight line.... But if you can't drive then having big power is a waste of money and useless.
Very true if you are going to own a car of such power then you need to be a good driver. I have been driving 22 years and have owned many cars including a few Cossies, one of which was a pure monster. Bloke I work with has an STI Scoob and was rr'd at 289bhp, on the country lanes he is all over me in my 224bhp Golf MK3, but MK3 Golf's have never been that good when it comes to handling compared to the likes of the 205 GTI, R5 GT Turbo and obviously Scoobs and Evo's that are 4WD. In a straight line I can almost keep with him till 120mph then his will pull on me. I wont even go out in his Scoob, scares the life out of me! I did borrow it for 2 weeks last year when he went on holiday.....Collected 2 of my mates as we were going to the gym. I am 6ft and 16st 2lbs as very in to my Bodybuilding but these lads I train with make me look like a dwarf......Classic to see as a load of steroid using bodybuilders got out of the car looking grey! I would love one but running costs are just stupid. My ex girlfriend had a Ferrari 348ts and the Scoob costs more to run as in petrol, even if driven with care!!
Many years ago when the XR3 came out I remember being driven round in pre showroom launch car by my dads mate and him stuffing a 911 round the back roads of Reigate, all my mates thought I was talking bollox but he was a sh!t hot driver used to really expensive sports cars.
BOT, go for Sachs all day long even for the poverty spec cars.
-
The only difference between the VR6 and 16V clutch is two extra rivets! FACT!
I have had both out compering them to each other using a vernier. I think the 16V clutch kit was £80± from ECP.
-
The only difference between the VR6 and 16V clutch is two extra rivets! FACT!
I have had both out compering them to each other using a vernier. I think the 16V clutch kit was £80± from ECP.
Now that is interesting to know.
-
Two extra rivets ftw :grin:
-
Thanks Adam! :rolleyes:
So I have two extra very expensive rivets!
-
Thanks Adam! :rolleyes:
So I have two extra very expensive rivets!
Rivets aside the Sachs quality is what you want.
You would expect some changes in a friction set up with 25 more horse power and 40lbs torque over the ABF, with a turbo adding considerably more of both why take a chance.....
-
Oh I dont care really, I only bought a Sachs clutch because thats what Wayne told me I should have! :rolleyes:
-
If there is two extra rivets, why do you pay more for an ABF one? :undecided:
-
Its lighter.... :rolleyes:
-
Not sure if the springs are different in the VR version, interesting about the rivets, nice one Adam.
Either way, i have the VR one in mine and its been spot on with the big power so on this basis its the only set up id recommend personally.
And yea i use my car daily so im in a good position to honor this recommendation
-
I'd just fit a VR personally if it's even slightly stronger. For the minimal price difference why not go better even if not required?
I too agree with Tweed on being able to drive properly. Had a go with an 07 Type R in a sh!tty 1.4 16v sporty Clio. Absolutely wayne kerred him off the line for quite a distance before tje computer let him put the power down when I was blown away. A goodness know what RPM launch cause him to squeal a tyre then saw the engine bog down. :grin:
Had a go just after with a 2.0 Clio and after watching the front end of his car go all over the place I held it and took him on the roundabout afterwhich he again left me.
Little Clio handles amazing!
-
its nowt to do with computers mate, Hondas are piss poor, forget the BHP for a moment and look at the Torque they put out even when heavily modified
Its about the same as what you would get via your legs when riding a bike
in other words.. sh!te
-
It's true that the vtec engines have a lower torque than say, an ABF. But they have shorter final drives to multiply torque further because they have a longer rev range. The reason they have a higher power figure is down to revs as its a calculation.
You can see by the graph ~120lbft at 6600rpm. A standard ABF has more than this at 2000rpm and peaks around 145ftlbs at 4200rpm. At the rev limiter it's level with the type R at ~120ftlbs but the type r has another 2.5k of revs to go.
It's hard to work out which is best due to weight, gearing etc but I'd prefer the ABF . In a mk2 chassis it should pretty much eat a type R I'd guess.
(http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy258/ntahlerz/myDynoTork.jpg)
-
AGREE 100%
a friend has a type R spent a absolute Fortune on headwork ECU and other bits, has a rolling road print out for 256BHP on a Dyno Dynamics
Torque is a pathetic 178lbft
car feels very slow
Id avoid a Honda at all costs if it was performance your looking for unless you can afford as Turbo conversion
just my opinion anyhow
-
Weird cause some of the little 1.6s go alright for what they are!
He stormed past me but you just hear rev rev rev then squeal and then no revs and bogged start. Then zoom straight past the 100BHP the Clio gave. :grin:
What's the 1.8t like for low down torque? For example this Clio you have to launch from 4000rpm or it just bogs down. After 4k to 6.8k it's a mental little thing. I found the 16v MK3 the same. Want something that's got power everywhere.
-
1.8t is pretty much instant power but they are crying out for a remap as standard (if its the K03 type) as they run out of puff too fast for me..
K04 is much better, mine went on forever with the custom map and was pretty much instant power (1500 RPM upwards to redline still on boost)
-
its nowt to do with computers mate, Hondas are piss poor, forget the BHP for a moment and look at the Torque they put out even when heavily modified
Its about the same as what you would get via your legs when riding a bike
in other words.. sh!te
That's why honda use the slogan. "power of dreams" :grin: :grin: :grin:
In reality they sh!te.