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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: ChrisJL on 26 April 2013, 19:35
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Hi All,
Sorry if this is a really stupid question. But I've been reading about the Adaptive Chassis Control and I've seen it referred to as ACC and also DCC, so I thought they were just different names for the same thing. However I have seen videos of people navigating the 'Driver Profile Select' and as well as the options for steering, engine, air conditioning, there is also an option for ACC and DCC so it leads me to believe they're not the same thing? Else why is there an option for both?
Can anyone shed any light on this as I've scowered the web for an answer to this and I can't seem to find one.
Thanks :)
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As far as I know the ACC and DCC refer to the same thing, the £795 option. I believe this adds the option to choose the set up (comfort, normal and sport). I don't think you get those options if you don't have ACC/DCC added. If the choice of set up you have seen isn't part of the DCC menu it may be that getting DCC also adds some other options under a separate menu?
The naming confusion isn't helping, they should have stuck with DCC to avoid the similarity to aircon. Personally I'd probably end up leaving it in normal the whole time so I'm saving my £800. I don't want to mislead you so someone else can confirm what I say in case I'm wrong?
EDIT:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/glossary/adaptive-chassis-control-acc
Seems clear the ACC/DCC is needed to add the three ride options mentioned.
EDIT2:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/driving/driving-mode-selection
Now I am also confused. Nothing on VW about DCC but now there is a DMS which seems to be on stock (but thats not clear) and sets the driving mode too, though presumably not the same as the ACC...
Can you share the link to the video where you saw both terms in the car menu??
EDIT3:
Success!
http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?141816-Driver-Profile-Selection
Driver Profile Selection (DPS) is standard.
Adaptive Chassis Control (DCC) is an option that adds more options.
Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) is standard on GTI (GTD too I think) and gives even more options.
VW themselves are confused though because the VWUK technical glossary link I posted in EDIT1 clearly calls the Adaptive Chassis Control ACC, but this is presumably an error. Compare and contrast these two links to it:
http://en.volkswagen.com/en/innovation-and-technology/technical-glossary/adaptive_fahrwerksregelung_dcc.html
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/glossary/adaptive-chassis-control-acc
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Ahhh, that certainly explains it then :)!!
I hadn't seen the cruise control on the GTI be referred to as ACC.
Thank you very much for the comprehensive reply :)
I've been thinking ACC was adaptive chassis control and I've been searching the web to try and find what DCC meant. I just assumed that DCC was perhaps an old name for it and ACC was its rebadged name.
Thank you for ending my confusion, but it seems like you say that VW themselves are getting a little confused :)
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I'm sure when the Scirocco first came out the ACC was referred to as Dynamic Chasis Control (DCC). That's maybe where that bit of naming confusion comes from.
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I've been thinking ACC was adaptive chassis control and I've been searching the web to try and find what DCC meant. I just assumed that DCC was perhaps an old name for it and ACC was its rebadged name.
Exactly, they are confused themselves. The Chassis option is DCC and the Cruise option is ACC, but they confuse things by calling the Chassis option ACC from time to time, and most likely other sources then copy them making the same mistake.
I think they went with DCC to distinguish it from Aircon but why then call it "adaptive" instead of "dynamic"? Calling cruise ACC makes things worse, but not sure when that term was first used so it may have come first.
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I'm sure when the Scirocco first came out the ACC was referred to as Dynamic Chasis Control (DCC). That's maybe where that bit of naming confusion comes from.
Yes, think it was first called Dynamic Chassis Control. Then, certainly by the later mk6's, it was being called Adaptive Chassis Control (ACC) and Cruise Control was just (CC) now they seem to have confused the issue by using ACC to both describe Adaptive Cruise Control and Adaptive Chassis Control!!
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Inside my 2009 Scirocco ACC (Adaptive Chassis Control) is called DCC (Dynamic Chassis Control). Why on earth they felt the need to change it ACC I'll never know.
Also confusing is ACC (Adaptive Cruise Control) because it works through the ADC (automatic distance control).
Sheesh... I'm done with all these acronyms :rolleyes:
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Inside my 2009 Scirocco ACC (Adaptive Chassis Control) is called DCC (Dynamic Chassis Control). Why on earth they felt the need to change it ACC I'll never know.
Also confusing is ACC (Adaptive Cruise Control) because it works through the ADC (automatic distance control).
Sheesh... I'm done with all these acronyms :rolleyes:
Oh yeah, forgot about ADC.............confused? you will be! ARGHHH
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Just to be clear on this too, "Dynamic Chasis Control" doesn't just give you additional options over-and-above the standard "Driver Profile Selection". Normal with DCC is quite different to normal without DCC, because without it you only have one suspension setting for the entire car, regardless of profile. With DCC, even in normal it is constantly monitoring and adjusting the suspension in tune with the profile selected, driving style and road conditions.
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Just to be clear on this too, "Dynamic Chasis Control" doesn't just give you additional options over-and-above the standard "Driver Profile Selection". Normal with DCC is quite different to normal without DCC, because without it you only have one suspension setting for the entire car, regardless of profile. With DCC, even in normal it is constantly monitoring and adjusting the suspension in tune with the profile selected, driving style and road conditions.
This is a very valid point. I've said before on here that both my Sciroccos just stayed in Normal most of the time, but I've never driven a Scirocco without DCC. So while I don't think I need it, it might have been the thing that made the Scirocco so good to drive. On that basis driving a Golf with and without it is probably the only way you'll really know if it's for you.
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I have found "normal" on the ACC pretty useless on my Scirocco. "Normal" is so close to "Sport" in it's feel most of the time that it is in "Sport" unless I am on a road with known potholes, or that has a generally poor surface or in the winter when there is a much higher risk of unknown/new potholes. For those times I switch to "comfort" for a softer ride and hopefully a lessened blow to the tyres/wheels/suspension should I hit a pothole. I do find it handy from time to time, but I won't be paying £800 for me. I did find the ride very harsh on my MK5 Golf GT Sport 170TDI (with standard 17" wheels) compared to my Roc in ACC "Sport" mode on standard 18" wheels. I am hoping the ride on my GTD will be on a par with the Roc in Sport mode.
The UK VW brochure has always named the adjustable chassis control as "ACC" and on the continent it is known as "DCC". In the highline computer screen a change on the "ACC" button is called up as "DCC". Most of the confusion here seems to be with the "ADC" adaptive distance control which also incorporates the cruise control system which maintains a "safe" distance from the car in front.
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Guys, I have owned a Mk6 GiT from new (without ACC) and also driven a mates M6 GiT (with ACC).
My personal view is that I should have ordered the ACC option on mine, but due to the wifes unbearable nagging I decided to limit my optional extras. I now feel that I should have simply wore a pair of earplugs to screen her out :evil:
With the state of the roads nowadays, I think that it would be a great option to be able to switch from hard to soft modes especially considering the low profile 18"/19" tyres on offer.
If you can, I suggest you go for the Chassis Control option, but thats only my humble advice :smiley:
Red
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Guys, I have owned a Mk6 GiT from new (without ACC) and also driven a mates M6 GiT (with ACC).
My personal view is that I should have ordered the ACC option on mine, but due to the wifes unbearable nagging I decided to limit my optional extras. I now feel that I should have simply wore a pair of earplugs to screen her out :evil:
With the state of the roads nowadays, I think that it would be a great option to be able to switch from hard to soft modes especially considering the low profile 18"/19" tyres on offer.
If you can, I suggest you go for the Chassis Control option, but thats only my humble advice :smiley:
Red
Can you describe the difference between the two you drove?
Also, before you drove your mates with ACC were you displeased with your non ACC GTI? In other words, for those of us who don't want the cost creeping up if we never drive an ACC equipped GTI are we ever gonna realise we're missing out?
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It's worth bearing in mind that the mk7 is supposed to have stiffer springs than the mk6 and is lighter so may have a slightly firmer ride, my mk6 doesn't have DCC and is OK most of the time like on motorway journeys and smooth roads but can get tiresome on poor surfaces, i'm hoping the the DCC on the 7 will help.
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Guys, I have owned a Mk6 GiT from new (without ACC) and also driven a mates M6 GiT (with ACC).
My personal view is that I should have ordered the ACC option on mine, but due to the wifes unbearable nagging I decided to limit my optional extras. I now feel that I should have simply wore a pair of earplugs to screen her out :evil:
With the state of the roads nowadays, I think that it would be a great option to be able to switch from hard to soft modes especially considering the low profile 18"/19" tyres on offer.
If you can, I suggest you go for the Chassis Control option, but thats only my humble advice :smiley:
Red
Can you describe the difference between the two you drove?
Also, before you drove your mates with ACC were you displeased with your non ACC GTI? In other words, for those of us who don't want the cost creeping up if we never drive an ACC equipped GTI are we ever gonna realise we're missing out?
Hey BillyBear, no was never displeased with my non-ACC GiT and do still love it. Many people would be happy to stick to non-ACC as is a sporty car but I wished to have gone for the option which gave me the choice
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Hey BillyBear, no was never displeased with my non-ACC GiT and do still love it. Many people would be happy to stick to non-ACC as is a sporty car but I wished to have gone for the option which gave me the choice
I caved and asked the dealer to add it. Thanks for the info!
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Hey BillyBear, no was never displeased with my non-ACC GiT and do still love it. Many people would be happy to stick to non-ACC as is a sporty car but I wished to have gone for the option which gave me the choice
I caved and asked the dealer to add it. Thanks for the info!
Well done, personally I think that you have made the right choice thus giving you the option to switch ride comfort. Still wish I had gone for it !!
Best wishes pal, Red
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As mentioned guys I am going to start the ball rolling on this one again, sorry.
I have driven 3 GT's recently where there was a Mode button to select Comfort Normal Sport Eco Individual (individual let you change Steering/Engine/Ride differently), that was all there was on the screen, I think this is DCC
What is ACC then that is costing me £800 :grin:
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As mentioned guys I am going to start the ball rolling on this one again, sorry.
I have driven 3 GT's recently where there was a Mode button to select Comfort Normal Sport Eco Individual (individual let you change Steering/Engine/Ride differently), that was all there was on the screen, I think this is DCC
What is ACC then that is costing me £800 :grin:
DCC (Dynamic Chassis Control) and ACC (Adaptive Chassis Control) are one and the same thing. If you had a separate physical switch to select between "Sport, Normal and Comfort", then yes, this is the option that costs £800.
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As mentioned guys I am going to start the ball rolling on this one again, sorry.
I have driven 3 GT's recently where there was a Mode button to select Comfort Normal Sport Eco Individual (individual let you change Steering/Engine/Ride differently), that was all there was on the screen, I think this is DCC
What is ACC then that is costing me £800 :grin:
DCC and ACC are the same thing - pneumatically adjusted dampers to firm or soften the ride. On my dad's GTD it had options to alter the ACC system that he hasn't specced. I suspect the reference to it is still there as the ACC on the Scirocco is tied to the steering weighting system. On the Scirocco, having dampers adjust to Sport also meant sport mode on steering to add more weight to it. Perhaps they couldn't be bothered to remove it or grey it out for non ACC/DCC equipped cars and without it, it still has relevance to the steering feel.
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To keep in one thread for anyone searching like Dully.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7XNYFnI-eI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7XNYFnI-eI)
The DCC in MK7 is a version 2 as it now adapts to conditions 'actively' - This is quite an important difference as no matter the setting the suspension is reacting to the road opposed to just being physically adjust to the mode set - Video explains
Chris Harris seemed impressed and you could physically see the differences in his video as he changed settings.
I have an S Line suspension and roads here are quite poor combining to make quite uncomfortable moments! so comfort of ride was #1 on my list to fix!!
With generally good GTI/GTD suspension enhanced further by the DCC it seems my experience is going to change quite dramatically
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ACC can also stand for adaptive cruise control
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To keep in one thread for anyone searching like Dully.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7XNYFnI-eI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7XNYFnI-eI)
The DCC in MK7 is a version 2 as it now adapts to conditions 'actively' - This is quite an important difference as no matter the setting the suspension is reacting to the road opposed to just being physically adjust to the mode set - Video explains
Chris Harris seemed impressed and you could physically see the differences in his video as he changed settings.
I have an S Line suspension and roads here are quite poor combining to make quite uncomfortable moments! so comfort of ride was #1 on my list to fix!!
With generally good GTI/GTD suspension enhanced further by the DCC it seems my experience is going to change quite dramatically
MK1 ACC also adjusted actively, but only in "normal" mode - the other 2 modes were the 2 extremes of the system variance between hard and soft. I would assume same can be said for MK2. The biggest difference between MK1 and MK2 is independent control of each corner as opposed to the whole axle, which should improve things a little. Took my dad's car on a moderately sh!tty road on the way to pick up the take-away last night and the ride was impressive without the ACC, smoother than my Scirocco in "sport" mode.
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Took my dad's car on a moderately sh!tty road on the way to pick up the take-away last night and the ride was impressive without the ACC, smoother than my Scirocco in "sport" mode.
But is there still some doubt about if your Dad's car has DCC or not? (I prefer to call it DCC to avoid confusion with the cruise control). If the options are on the menu then how sure are we that this only affects things like steering and throttle response? I just can't imagine they put that menu on all cars if they have DCC speced or not. For one thing when the car is sold how would anyone know if the option is fitted or not? If you spec it in factory build you've no way to confirm it is fitted (sales man can point to the screen and call that proof). If you buy off the forecourt or second hand, again they can claim it is fitted and how can you tell? :huh:
Doesn't seem likely to me. I'm leaning towards thinking your Dad's car has got a free option here... :undecided:
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Are people not thinking of the driver profile which is standard??
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Are people not thinking of the driver profile which is standard??
I think that is what MH thinks it is on his Dad's car. But if this is the case why does it include options for the ACC?
I see some possibilities:
1. No ACC/DCC as it wasn't spec'd. Menu still exists but does nothing. This seems least likely to me.
2. ACC/DCC mistakenly fitted to this car.
3. It refers to something else... cruise control maybe? Does cruise control even have "sport" or "eco" mode? Why would it?
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Easiest way to tell is to check the shocks under the car. If it has electrical wires attached then it has DCC if not then it doesnt. Otherwise check the spec codes in the boot.
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I think that is what MH thinks it is on his Dad's car. But if this is the case why does it include options for the ACC?
I see some possibilities:
1. No ACC/DCC as it wasn't spec'd. Menu still exists but does nothing. This seems least likely to me.
2. ACC/DCC mistakenly fitted to this car.
3. It refers to something else... cruise control maybe? Does cruise control even have "sport" or "eco" mode? Why would it?
If ACC/DCC is fitted, there will be a switch by the gear stick to switch between Sport, Normal and Comfort. If it's not there, then the selections are simply the driver profile options, with no dynamic damping going on.
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Easiest way to tell is to check the shocks under the car. If it has electrical wires attached then it has DCC if not then it doesnt. Otherwise check the spec codes in the boot.
What are spec codes in the boot? This sounds like useful information!
If ACC/DCC is fitted, there will be a switch by the gear stick to switch between Sport, Normal and Comfort. If it's not there, then the selections are simply the driver profile options, with no dynamic damping going on.
Is it there anyway to access the driver profile regardless of if ACC/DCC is fitted? Gotta be sure about this one!
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http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f112/dynamic-adaptive-chassis-control-dcc-acc-39755-33.html (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f112/dynamic-adaptive-chassis-control-dcc-acc-39755-33.html)
In depth personal test on cars with and without DCC
Also all the technical info
http://www.my-gti.com/2653/volkswagen-dcc-adaptive-chassis-control-design-and-function (http://www.my-gti.com/2653/volkswagen-dcc-adaptive-chassis-control-design-and-function)
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If ACC/DCC is fitted, there will be a switch by the gear stick to switch between Sport, Normal and Comfort. If it's not there, then the selections are simply the driver profile options, with no dynamic damping going on.
On the MK7 there is no separate switch, it is all done through the NAV screen
I test drove a GTI with the option fitted and that's where I made the changes which went from very bouncy to limousine smooth :smiley:
(http://spd.blinkerfluid.org/images/dcc.jpg)
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Are people not thinking of the driver profile which is standard??
sounds plausible, the GT i drove had a very basic choice of options, it did not look like the screen on road test by mr harris, or the one Mike has just posted a snapshot of
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GTi i test drove had a button next to the gear stick and also settings on the nav screen.
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Easiest way to tell is to check the shocks under the car. If it has electrical wires attached then it has DCC if not then it doesnt. Otherwise check the spec codes in the boot.
What are spec codes in the boot? This sounds like useful information!
If ACC/DCC is fitted, there will be a switch by the gear stick to switch between Sport, Normal and Comfort. If it's not there, then the selections are simply the driver profile options, with no dynamic damping going on.
Is it there anyway to access the driver profile regardless of if ACC/DCC is fitted? Gotta be sure about this one!
The driver profile is standard on all GTI/GTD's. it doesnt adjust the dampers but does adjust things like steering, throttle and air con.
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Are people not thinking of the driver profile which is standard??
I think that is what MH thinks it is on his Dad's car. But if this is the case why does it include options for the ACC?
I see some possibilities:
1. No ACC/DCC as it wasn't spec'd. Menu still exists but does nothing. This seems least likely to me.
2. ACC/DCC mistakenly fitted to this car.
3. It refers to something else... cruise control maybe? Does cruise control even have "sport" or "eco" mode? Why would it?
Cruise has a sensitivity response setting for the ADC, to determine how large a safe gap it will leave. Set my dad's to the shortest (which will probably still be quite long, seeing as a BMW 5 series will always be able to fit in a gap that a piece of paper won't). My dad wanted it left on to see how good or bad it was on the drive down today, despite the false positive readings reported my other MK7 users (brakes jamming on when passing a truck or bus in the other lane deemed to be too close by the system).
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The one that changes the dampners is the £800 option, to make it a softer ride. The rest of the stuff on screen is standard eg changing the weighting of the steering (eco, sport, normal etc etc). The GTI I drove I tested it in these different modes and my conclusion: Quite why anyone would have any of these other options in anything other than 'Sport' is beyond me anyway! :evil:
It didn't have the dampner ACC though so I can't comment on that, which by all accounts does make a difference, if you're into that kind of thing.
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GTi i test drove had a button next to the gear stick and also settings on the nav screen.
Was that the Mode button, the sales guy didn't know what that was for :rolleyes:
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On the MK7 there is no separate switch, it is all done through the NAV screen
I test drove a GTI with the option fitted and that's where I made the changes which went from very bouncy to limousine smooth :smiley:
As far as I am aware, the £800 option comes with a switch next to the gear lever on any VW that has DCC/ACC fitted, as well the on-screen options. I've seen plenty of videos and pictures of the Mk7 GTI with the switch next to the gear lever that's for sure.
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3.26 mins in Mat video shows you the 'mode' DCC button
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYHJt5KCsyU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYHJt5KCsyU)
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Ok ok lets back up a bit. Here is what we need to know:
1) Confirm the "mode" button next to the gear stick is specific to the DCC, i.e. only fitted on cars with £800 DCC option. Or is it just a driver profile selection button fitted to all cars as standard?
2) Does the "DCC" menu option appear in the menu unit only if you spec the £800 DCC option. This would seem to be a no brainer, if you don't buy it you don't get it. Yet, MH's Dad's car seems to have the option and he didn't spec it.
And presumably the ACC option in the picture posted earlier refers to the cruise control, because the DCC further up is the chassis control...
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Ok ok lets back up a bit. Here is what we need to know:
1) Confirm the "mode" button next to the gear stick is specific to the DCC, i.e. only fitted on cars with £800 DCC option. Or is it just a driver profile selection button fitted to all cars as standard?
2) Does the "DCC" menu option appear in the menu unit only if you spec the £800 DCC option. This would seem to be a no brainer, if you don't buy it you don't get it. Yet, MH's Dad's car seems to have the option and he didn't spec it.
And presumably the ACC option in the picture posted earlier refers to the cruise control, because the DCC further up is the chassis control...
Perhaps the ACC=DCC (or not) issue has caused confusion with myself. He has ACC options but not DCC options in the menus. It would seem to me that if VW are now calling the chassis ACC set-up "DCC" in the menus and some of the cruise control functionality as "ACC" in the menus then my dad's car doesn't have ACC/DCC, but everyone has ADC and what VW are now calling "ACC" is a sub function of the system of ADC e.g. the cruise part of it as aopposed to the distance monitoring part of it.
That makes sense to me. Poxy acronyms. :evil:
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Perhaps the ACC=DCC (or not) issue has caused confusion with myself. He has ACC options but not DCC options in the menus. It would seem to me that if VW are now calling the chassis ACC set-up "DCC" in the menus and some of the cruise control functionality as "ACC" in the menus then my dad's car doesn't have ACC/DCC, but everyone has ADC and what VW are now calling "ACC" is a sub function of the system of ADC e.g. the cruise part of it as aopposed to the distance monitoring part of it.
That makes sense to me. Poxy acronyms. :evil:
Ah, I think you are right! DCC is the chassis system, that is clear. So if you didn't see DCC in your Dad's car all might be well in the world again. haha
I'm not sure if ADC and ACC are interchangeable, like you say probably one is a sub unit of the other. Personally I think ACC is the overall cruise system, and ADC is the radar sub unit of that. So launch cars might still have ACC, but won't have ADC.
So, if this is all correct... did your Dad's car have the "mode" button by the gear stick? I'm still unclear if that button is standard to select driver profile, or if it is specific to DCC equipped cars.
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3.26 mins in Mat video shows you the 'mode' DCC button
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYHJt5KCsyU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYHJt5KCsyU)
check this vid out and you can see that the option screen does not have ACC option as the picture that mike posted above
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There was a button down there by the stick for menu/driver profile stuff - can you see it in my photos (my pics won't load up properly when viewing this site from work)?
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check this vid out and you can see that the option screen does not have ACC option as the picture that mike posted above
Good spot! So ACC only appears if the car has the ADC radar.
There was a button down there by the stick for menu/driver profile stuff - can you see it in my photos (my pics won't load up properly when viewing this site from work)?
I should have just checked your pics rather than asking! Sounds like that button is standard for the profiles and nothing to do with DCC then. Another example of dealers getting confused then. The test drive I had the button was indicated as evidence the car had the DCC fitted!
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Driver Profile Selection System? Found this quote on another website. If I can have this as standard and select from a number of modes I am still wondering what my £800 gives me :cry:
"Standard on the GTI is the driver profile selection system to help achieve an efficient style of driving with four driving modes (five when in combination with the DCC adaptive chassis control): Eco, Sport, Normal, Individual and, in combination with DCC, Comfort."
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Driver Profile Selection System? Found this quote on another website. If I can have this as standard and select from a number of modes I am still wondering what my £800 gives me :cry:
"Standard on the GTI is the driver profile selection system to help achieve an efficient style of driving with four driving modes (five when in combination with the DCC adaptive chassis control): Eco, Sport, Normal, Individual and, in combination with DCC, Comfort."
Driver profile selection alters the steering and throttle response mainly (amongst a few other things I'm sure), but has fixed suspension. The £800 option gives you an extra "comfort" mode, and dynamically alters the dampers across ALL settings, independently in each corner of the car. This results in a car that rides/handles better than one with a fixed suspension setup.
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Driver Profile Selection System? Found this quote on another website. If I can have this as standard and select from a number of modes I am still wondering what my £800 gives me :cry:
"Standard on the GTI is the driver profile selection system to help achieve an efficient style of driving with four driving modes (five when in combination with the DCC adaptive chassis control): Eco, Sport, Normal, Individual and, in combination with DCC, Comfort."
Driver profile selection alters the steering and throttle response mainly (amongst a few other things I'm sure), but has fixed suspension. The £800 option gives you an extra "comfort" mode, and dynamically alters the dampers across ALL settings, independently in each corner of the car. This results in a car that rides/handles better than one with a fixed suspension setup.
Mmmmmmm that's what I was starting to think was the case and proves that the salesman had no idea what he was on about, if I had been explained all this clearly and understood that I would still get all the other adjustments for nothing then I might have not picked it and spent the £800 on something else, all I can say is that it better be good, dare not change the order in fear of BW34 being moved :sad:
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By all accounts, the new DCC in the Mk7 GTI is very good indeed, giving you a good, composed ride, with the ability to have the suspension firmer for when you want a bit of fun, and softer for when you are around town and on the motorways. On videos I've seen, you can clearly see the difference in suspension travel with it.
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By all accounts, the new DCC in the Mk7 GTI is very good indeed, giving you a good, composed ride, with the ability to have the suspension firmer for when you want a bit of fun, and softer for when you are around town and on the motorways. On videos I've seen, you can clearly see the difference in suspension travel with it.
Yeah I've seen quite a lot of good press about it to be honest, the first test I ever read recommended it and the PP so I went for both. The car will be mostly driven by the mrs in the week as I do loads of miles around the country in my work horse (Mk5 GT Sport 170) and don't want to put 30,000 a year on the new gti, she does a short commute but is always moaning that the TT she drives is a hard ride so I will leave it in Comfort for her in the week :grin:
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According to this page from the manual which was downloaded from another forum, it seems the mode button next to the gear stick is standard but if DCC is fitted then "comfort" becomes an option.
(http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx265/blaarp1/bfe8c864a551adf39b784e5078a31252_zps68485086.jpg)
P.S there are only limited pages available so iwon't be posting lots of them.
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According to this page from the manual which was downloaded from another forum, it seems the mode button next to the gear stick is standard but if DCC is fitted then "comfort" becomes an option.
P.S there are only limited pages available so iwon't be posting lots of them.
Thanks, that clears it all up and confirms that the gti I test drove did not have DCC fitted as I was told by the salesman :angry: Also VW should sit down and work out an easier set of acronyms as ACC, ADC and DCC all seem to get a bit mixed up :grin:
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Dully: for BW34 you might not be able to change - your tracker status should move to "build week confirmed" this week and VWUK made out to me that the order is locked out from change about a week before the status update.
Seems a shame if certain dealerships have sold the ACC/DCC system on a lie (because they made out it was fitted on a demo vehicle and it wasn't). I found my dad's GTD without it more than adequate and I already have it.
Keeping it on sport (unless the road surface is awful) is a must on the Scirocco because unlike the MK7, I can't independently change the steering or throttle response. So for that £800 option now you are only gaining the adjustability of the suspension system, everything else previously tied to the system can be now be tweaked without it.
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I never understood it to be anything else though. The driver profile settings were always standard on the Mk7, and allowed you to independently adjust steering and throttle response via the screen. The £800 DCC option gives you an extra "Comfort" mode, and of course the dynamically adjusting dampers. What I didn't know is if the physical switch was only on DCC equipped cars or if that was standard too.
I guess some people may have been misinformed though, wouldn't surprise me given the state of how things went when order books first opened!
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Dully: for BW34 you might not be able to change - your tracker status should move to "build week confirmed" this week and VWUK made out to me that the order is locked out from change about a week before the status update.
Seems a shame if certain dealerships have sold the ACC/DCC system on a lie (because they made out it was fitted on a demo vehicle and it wasn't). I found my dad's GTD without it more than adequate and I already have it.
Keeping it on sport (unless the road surface is awful) is a must on the Scirocco because unlike the MK7, I can't independently change the steering or throttle response. So for that £800 option now you are only gaining the adjustability of the suspension system, everything else previously tied to the system can be now be tweaked without it.
Yeah, i'm not going to change it even if i could at this stage, think the comfort option will suit the wife who moans continuously about the hard ride in her TT and my Mk5 Gt Sport 170, going in to see the saleman at the weekend though to discuss it, I dont actually think he intentionally lied I just think he did not know what he was on about :grin: I have also back tracked on a few early road test videos and written tests and I dont think some of those people were clear on it, many of them mention the option giving you the ability to change steering etc etc when in fact you got that as standard, given the clear information at the start I would not have had it. Wonder what would happen if I go in and show the salesman that his demo car does not have DCC as he told me and I want to cancel my order :shocked:
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Dully: for BW34 you might not be able to change - your tracker status should move to "build week confirmed" this week and VWUK made out to me that the order is locked out from change about a week before the status update.
Seems a shame if certain dealerships have sold the ACC/DCC system on a lie (because they made out it was fitted on a demo vehicle and it wasn't). I found my dad's GTD without it more than adequate and I already have it.
Keeping it on sport (unless the road surface is awful) is a must on the Scirocco because unlike the MK7, I can't independently change the steering or throttle response. So for that £800 option now you are only gaining the adjustability of the suspension system, everything else previously tied to the system can be now be tweaked without it.
Yeah, i'm not going to change it even if i could at this stage, think the comfort option will suit the wife who moans continuously about the hard ride in her TT and my Mk5 Gt Sport 170, going in to see the saleman at the weekend though to discuss it, I dont actually think he intentionally lied I just think he did not know what he was on about :grin: I have also back tracked on a few early road test videos and written tests and I dont think some of those people were clear on it, many of them mention the option giving you the ability to change steering etc etc when in fact you got that as standard, given the clear information at the start I would not have had it. Wonder what would happen if I go in and show the salesman that his demo car does not have DCC as he told me and I want to cancel my order :shocked:
Keeping the wife from nagging - always a good idea in principle, but she'll find something else to bend your ear about! :grin:
If you're not changing then it's irrelevant but the standard ride is way better than the MK5 GT Sport on it's standard 17"ers. I had one of those and it had a very crashy ride over poorer surfaces. Same with my dad's MK5 GT 170TDI which he just traded in for his GTD - ride refinement has come on so much in 6 years.
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I never understood it to be anything else though. The driver profile settings were always standard on the Mk7, and allowed you to independently adjust steering and throttle response via the screen. The £800 DCC option gives you an extra "Comfort" mode, and of course the dynamically adjusting dampers. What I didn't know is if the physical switch was only on DCC equipped cars or if that was standard too.
I guess some people may have been misinformed though, wouldn't surprise me given the state of how things went when order books first opened!
Not just the comfort mode, its comfort and sport. So without it you get one suspension set up, with it you get three set ups and adaptive dampers. You get the button by the gear stick as standard anyway but the menu it brings up won't have DCC options unless you spec'd it.
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Not just the comfort mode, its comfort and sport. So without it you get one suspension set up, with it you get three set ups and adaptive dampers. You get the button by the gear stick as standard anyway but the menu it brings up won't have DCC options unless you spec'd it.
Oh OK. If the button is standard though on all GTIs/GTDs, what does it say/do on those without DCC? As far as I know that button has three positions - Comfort, Normal and Sport. If a car doesn't have DCC, it doesn't have comfort... Maybe I'm completely missing the obvious! :grin:
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Not just the comfort mode, its comfort and sport. So without it you get one suspension set up, with it you get three set ups and adaptive dampers. You get the button by the gear stick as standard anyway but the menu it brings up won't have DCC options unless you spec'd it.
Oh OK. If the button is standard though on all GTIs/GTDs, what does it say/do on those without DCC? As far as I know that button has three positions - Comfort, Normal and Sport. If a car doesn't have DCC, it doesn't have comfort... Maybe I'm completely missing the obvious! :grin:
Maybe we're talking cross purposes here! I mean the "mode" button by the gear stick. All it does is bring up the "driver profile" selection on the Nav menu. That has 5 choices (Sport, Normal, Comfort, Eco, Individual). If there is no DCC spec'd then the suspension remains the same for all 5 choices, and in individual there is no drop down to change it. The other stuff like throttle response, steering weight, aircon... changes whether you have DCC or not.
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Maybe we're talking cross purposes here! I mean the "mode" button by the gear stick. All it does is bring up the "driver profile" selection on the Nav menu. That has 5 choices (Sport, Normal, Comfort, Eco, Individual). If there is no DCC spec'd then the suspension remains the same for all 5 choices, and in individual there is no drop down to change it. The other stuff like throttle response, steering weight, aircon... changes whether you have DCC or not.
Ah gotcha', so the mode button by the gear lever isn't a toggle between "Comfort, Normal and Sport", it's just a button that gives quick access to the on-screen menu.
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Ah gotcha', so the mode button by the gear lever isn't a toggle between "Comfort, Normal and Sport", it's just a button that gives quick access to the on-screen menu.
Yep! And that menu changes everything about the car (except suspension if you don't have DCC). If you just want to change the suspension on a DCC car and leave everything else you use the individual profile to change just that part.
Thinking about this:
I think you can also navigate to an individual option like the DCC via the "setup" button on the Nav itself. (I don't mean going to it through the driver profile now.) I'm not sure what happens if you do that and change one thing. Presumably it won't override your individual mode setup, so this is like a 6th mode I guess... a modification to one of the five pre-sets. Anyone able to confirm this?
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Yep! And that menu changes everything about the car (except suspension if you don't have DCC). If you just want to change the suspension on a DCC car and leave everything else you use the individual profile to change just that part.
I could have sworn that I've seen that "Mode" button show "Sport" or "Comfort" illuminated on it, with no illumination meaning "Normal". Can anybody with a DCC equipped Roc confirm this? Yes it may well bring up the menu as well, but I genuinely thought it was a toggle switch between the three core settings.
I completely get that all cars have the driver profiles, and that DCC is just referring to the active dampers though.
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I could have sworn that I've seen that "Mode" button show "Sport" or "Comfort" illuminated on it, with no illumination meaning "Normal". Can anybody with a DCC equipped Roc confirm this? Yes it may well bring up the menu as well, but I genuinely thought it was a toggle switch between the three core settings.
I completely get that all cars have the driver profiles, and that DCC is just referring to the active dampers though.
That is completely true for the Roc. The button has a pic of a shock absorber in the middle with "comfort" on the top edge and "sport" on the bottom edge, one of them is lit or it's in normal with no lighting.
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That is completely true for the Roc. The button has a pic of a shock absorber in the middle with "comfort" on the top edge and "sport" on the bottom edge, one of them is lit or it's in normal with no lighting.
Cheers MH. Be interesting to see if that "Mode" button is just a regular button for cars without DCC that just activates the driver profile menu, and a true toggle switch for cars that are equipped with DCC. Not a big deal really, but, certainly easier to toggle via a button for when you just want a stock mode.
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That is completely true for the Roc. The button has a pic of a shock absorber in the middle with "comfort" on the top edge and "sport" on the bottom edge, one of them is lit or it's in normal with no lighting.
Cheers MH. Be interesting to see if that "Mode" button is just a regular button for cars without DCC that just activates the driver profile menu, and a true toggle switch for cars that are equipped with DCC. Not a big deal really, but, certainly easier to toggle via a button for when you just want a stock mode.
Ah! I know what you are thinking of:
http://www.my-gti.com/2653/volkswagen-dcc-adaptive-chassis-control-design-and-function
Scroll down to "Selectable DCC modes".
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking of!
Edit: There's a good shot of it all here in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kl8AP6CoyI, roughly 4 minutes in. You can see the mode switch just illuminates to signify that you are in a preset "mode". When pressed you get the menu up on-screen, and you just select what you want. I assume then, that if that button is not illuminated, the car is just a completely stock setup, albeit with active damping if you specced it. Good footage of the varying travel on the dampers too.
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking of!
Edit: There's a good shot of it all here in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kl8AP6CoyI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kl8AP6CoyI), roughly 4 minutes in. You can see the mode switch just illuminates to signify that you are in a preset "mode". When pressed you get the menu up on-screen, and you just select what you want. I assume then, that if that button is not illuminated, the car is just a completely stock setup, albeit with active damping if you specced it. Good footage of the varying travel on the dampers too.
At 4:30 in that video you see him press the button by the gear stick which brings up the modes on the screen then he selects normal. Hmmm?
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At 4:30 in that video you see him press the button by the gear stick which brings up the modes on the screen then he selects normal. Hmmm?
Yeah, if all it does is being up an on-screen menu, it's a step backwards relative to what was in the Roc that was confirmed as having a proper 3-way toggle. If pressing it cycled through the modes without needing to bother with the screen apart from to just confirm your selection, that's not too bad.
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But in a Roc its just the DCC, in the mk7 its accessing driver mode which is much more complex than just 1 in 3 modes. There are probably hundreds of potential combinations.
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The Individual Settings Available look like this :smiley:
Decisions ... decisions :nerd: :rolleyes: :grin:
(http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s422/JonnyGCars/Engine_zps88e53d3f.jpg) (http://s1051.photobucket.com/user/JonnyGCars/media/Engine_zps88e53d3f.jpg.html)
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But in a Roc its just the DCC, in the mk7 its accessing driver mode which is much more complex than just 1 in 3 modes. There are probably hundreds of potential combinations.
True, but it can't have hurt to offer both options. Still, no big deal really like I said.