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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: HA54SYM` on 22 April 2013, 08:39
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Who's orderded the Performance Pack on thier GTi?
Its the one option I don't know if I should add or not.
The latest Autocar review says its good, but not sure they have compared it to a car without.
Dave
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That review has got me thinking about adding it too!!
Would you miss it if you never try it?
Decisions decisons...
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I ordered it, not because I really wanted it - but because I didn't want to feel like I didn't have it!
I'm going to own the car for at least 3 years, and I couldn't cope with three years of feeling like I might be missing out on something.
I also drive relatively sensibly most of the time in straight lines, but like to hammer it round corners and I think the diff should make a diff!
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I have ordered it. I just thought unlike a cup holder or a leather seat this could make a big difference to the way the car drives, and therefore I though it was worth it. The reviews are backing this up (so far!)
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I've ordered it. Since changed the colour to carbon grey also.
I feel the price is good value and based on reviews my thoughts may be justified.
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I have gone for it as well
I have always thought the brakes on the GTi have been not as good as they should be
The bigger discs will help with this. I hope !
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Mmm kinds thiking I should now too.
Dave
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I ordered it. First thing I added.
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It's a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned.
The 'diff alone would cost more to fit, the uprated brakes are a bonus and the extra power just the icing on the cake.
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I ordered it. First thing I added.
I'd be the same.
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It's a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned.
The 'diff alone would cost more to fit, the uprated brakes are a bonus and the extra power just the icing on the cake.
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Totally agree.. its a no-brainer for the cost. Just a shame they didn't offer the torque vectoring LSD as standard on the GTi & GTD (as found on some bog standard Fords & Nissans). If the LSD was standard fit I may not have gone for the Performance Pack)
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Yes.
May as well have ordered a GTD otherwise.
VW have put it there for a reason.
Once the car is remapped (for those of you that do that sort of thing) the PP will come into its own.
Or it could save you waiting for the warranty to expire to remap it as it already has one :whistle:
And I'm sure it will add something at sale time even if it's just more interest in the car.
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OK OK, I think I will add it then! :grin:
Thanks for all the comments.
Dave
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Given how I drive my current car, and given how much better the stock Mk7 is over the Mk5, I'd rather use that £1,000 towards the new heated screen and phone option with change to spare! Each unto their own though, and I'm sure it will be worth every penny to those who want it.
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Yeah I'd rather go on holiday :smiley: but granted its great for pub talk....
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I haven't specced it, the way i drive i don't think i'd ever get the most out of it so it'd be a waste of money plus it'll keep me awake on the odd occasion the car does get a kickin!! :)
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It one of those things would you ever see the benefit during daily driving plus writing the cheque for another 1k doesn't seem sensible to me. Put it into your mortgage...
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In one of those review vids the guy said they only expect about a third of customers to spec it. That follows here. It's not a cheap option.
The big brakes will come in handy at times. I sometimes find the standard brakes a bit lacking especially when the car is fully loaded.
The diff will make a difference too as I spent a couple of years in a REVO'd GTI before the current one and that car had torque steer and traction issues even in hot dry weather. The new GTI has a lot more torque than the older car so will need traction assistance.
The GTI logos on the callipers are maybe not so worthwhile!
Can't believe the 19" wheels are the same money though. I can understand the 17" - 19" upgrade being that price on the mk6 as the tyres on the 19" rims are expensive but from 18" - 19" a grand (almost) is a big jump. £600 would be fairer maybe?
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I'm not sure I agree with your earlier comment about saying you might as well buy a GTD if you don't spec the performance pack Exonian! What kind of logic is that?! I don't want a petrol vs diesel debate, but I just prefer the smoothness of petrol engines, and I prefer the looks of the GTI over the GTD in terms of wheels, red accents, and interior. There is more to a car than just performance, and £1000 extra for just 8 seconds gain around the Nurb simply isn't worth it for every day use in my view.
Yep, it's an expensive option on an already reasonably expensive car. Most people in the market for a GTI are not after a car that that they want to drive like they are on a track. Of those who do go for the performance pack, I suspect very few will actually be able to truly appreciate the difference, but just go for it for pub talk. Personally, I've never had an issue with the brakes on my MkV GTI, even fully-loaded, but then again, in such a state I wouldn't drive it like I'm around Brands Hatch!
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There is more to a car than just performance, and £1000 extra for just 8 seconds gain around the Nurb simply isn't worth it for every day use in my view.
Yes I couldn't agree more... A £1000 is a lot of money, but in terms of what you are getting for a £1k its actually not that bad & represents fairly good value. I don't think you'll notice much in performance gain in everyday driving, but I'm sure you'll notice a "marked" response in the way the car handles.
Each of us will spec up our cars for different reasons & for what we want to get out of the car. I personally want a more focused driving experience which is why I opted for the Performance Pack. Others may want a more pleasant evironment to sit in & opt for say Pano roof, keyless entry, DNS pro sat, or audio pack. But each of us are different & I respect everyone's choices.
I'm still confident the new Mk 7 GTi even without the PP will be just as good to drive!
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Each of us will spec up our cars for different reasons & for what we want to get out of the car. I personally want a more focused driving experience which is why I opted for the Performance Pack. Others may want a more pleasant evironment to sit in & opt for say Pano roof, keyless entry, DNS pro sat, or audio pack. But each of us are different & I respect everyone's choices.
I'm still confident the new Mk 7 GTi even without the PP will be just as good to drive!
Exactly, that's why we have options - to appeal to a broad range of people (and make VW a whole lot more money!) I'm in the camp of drivers where the stock performance and handling is more than adequate. I've gone for extras that, as you say, provide more convenience and comfort.
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It one of those things would you ever see the benefit during daily driving plus writing the cheque for another 1k doesn't seem sensible to me. Put it into your mortgage...
Don't you ever drive round corners?
Or do you drive like you are taking your Gran to Church?
If you actually drive the damn car, you will notice what an LSD does EVERY time you drive it.
My old Mk3 GTI hammers out of corners better than my Mk6 does because of the LSD.
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plus writing the cheque for another 1k doesn't seem sensible to me. Put it into your mortgage...
Eh?
Yet you are buying a depraciating asset?
Odd, no?
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Regarding driving style Ess_Three, we don't all drive our cars on the limits around corners and "hammer" it out of them. Nor does anything less constitute driving like your Gran to church!
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Regarding driving style Ess_Three, we don't all drive our cars on the limits around corners and "hammer" it out of them. Nor does anything less constitute driving like your Gran to church!
I don't.
But if you use any throttle at all coming out of a corner, you'll feel the benefit of an LSD.
It should be standard on every powerful FWD car.
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Can't believe the 19" wheels are the same money though. I can understand the 17" - 19" upgrade being that price on the mk6 as the tyres on the 19" rims are expensive but from 18" - 19" a grand (almost) is a big jump. £600 would be fairer maybe?
A mate works in R+D for Honda. He tells me that the production line pay around £35 each for an 18 or 19" wheel and the same sort of price for a tyre, so I'd say £600 for an upgrade was still a bit steep.
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Well I have actually decided not too add the pack, and save the money towards a few more trackdays this year in my Tomcat, which is way more faster than the GTi anyway, and already has a Quaiffe gearbox diff fitted.
Dave
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Regarding driving style Ess_Three, we don't all drive our cars on the limits around corners and "hammer" it out of them. Nor does anything less constitute driving like your Gran to church!
I don't.
But if you use any throttle at all coming out of a corner, you'll feel the benefit of an LSD.
It should be standard on every powerful FWD car.
The reason the performance pack isn't standard is so the VW PR marketing machine can announce that the car is the same price as the mk 6 - the add on of this option, which is a must IMO, obviously increases the price somewhat.
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The reason the performance pack isn't standard is so the VW PR marketing machine can announce that the car is the same price as the mk 6 - the add on of this option, which is a must IMO, obviously increases the price somewhat.
Bingo.
It should come as standard with a 'diff, better brakes than the awful standard efforts, and more power.
Things like ACC should be standard too...when it is on a Scirocco.
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The reason the performance pack isn't standard is so the VW PR marketing machine can announce that the car is the same price as the mk 6 - the add on of this option, which is a must IMO, obviously increases the price somewhat.
Bingo.
It should come as standard with a 'diff, better brakes than the awful standard efforts, and more power.
Things like ACC should be standard too...when it is on a Scirocco.
Totally agree with the ACC. If it was a mid range golf then fair enough but kit like that should be standard on the flagship model (ignoring the R).
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no right or wrong answer here really as VW have finally given owners choice, hence why ACC should remain an option (and one of the main reasons I never bought another rocco)
i'd take the performance pack over ACC any day as MK5/6 brakes are not the best and XDS can throw a wobbly, for me it would make for a more balanced car
out the box the 7 will be fine, PP just makes it a bit more focused
will be interesting what the second hand market will want, only time will tell
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If it was a choice between the two, then yes the PP is the one to go for. It should 100% be standard. This 'two versions' of the GTI is nothing more than marketing bullsh!t and a con job to get people (like me :laugh:) to pay another grand for some bigger brakes. Either make the car with the PP or leave all that stuff for the R.
I'm sure in the real world it will be difficult to tell the difference, and a non PP car will not miss the add on 99% of the time....I for one drive hard but i don't slide around corners or drive to work on a track, so I'm not sure how it will add to the drive of the car really. Saying that, I still specced it :laugh: :cool:
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Just placed an order and did not go for the PP. A lot of people say "no brainer" or "who wouldn't" but I personally didn't see it was something needed for me. This will be my first time owning a GTI, I'm stepping up from a nifty Fiesta, so I'm confident that without the PP I'm already going to be enjoying this great car. Asking another £1k for 0.1 sec faster to 62 and improved cornering which, its debatable whether it would be really that noticeable, was too much. It might be value for money but its not something I actually need.
Now, if I intended to get the car on the track I might have taken a different view. But then, if I wanted to do that there would I not be considering the Megan Sport or a VXR too? In other words I wanted the Golf GTI for its all round appeal, not so I could get every last fraction of performance from it. If you do want the max performance then I guess it is a no brainer though, but I suspect the number of people who do will be significantly less than the number who fork out the extra grand. But I could be wrong :tongue:
PS: First post!
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Well, neither ACC or PP are standard, so the choice is there. Relative merits and value will be determined by what people ultimately want out of their car, so I went for ACC. I completely get why a lot of GTI buyers would immediately tick this box, but I'm sorry, if all it can muster is 8 seconds around the Nurburgring, I'm afraid its real-world performance value is practically non-existent. Having said that, if it makes it more fun for you to sling it around and out of corners faster than is sensible, go for it! Personally, I prefer a more sedate ride. I just choose to own a GTI for the very reason some reviewers dock marks - not very exciting. That, and the quality interior, understated looks, all-year round usability, effortless drive, and power on tap when you need/want it.
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I think the trick VW are playing here is to offer options that people will chose, if they've had them before.
If you've lived with ACC on a GTI...I think most people will chose it again, and pay for it.
Same with an LSD...if you've ever driven a car with one, and one was offered, I suspect 99% of people would pick it and pay for it.
It's not so much how it feels...it's how one feels with out it, compared to the one with it.
Good as XDS is, it's a makey-on half arsed solution to a problem that a limited slip diff solves...better traction, better feel through corners and better braking.
Well worth the £1000 premium alone.
The bigger brakes and additional few ponies are just a bonus, in my mind.
Maybe the fact that it's an option is a good thing.
But the GTI is capable of being the best in class, not just the sensible compromise...and it would appear to cost approx £1500 to put it there.
Both should be standard in my view.
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980 quid for LSD. Come on, tick that box.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/volkswagen-golf-gti-mk7-video-review
Exactly.
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I think the trick VW are playing here is to offer options that people will chose, if they've had them before.
If you've lived with ACC on a GTI...I think most people will chose it again, and pay for it.
Same with an LSD...if you've ever driven a car with one, and one was offered, I suspect 99% of people would pick it and pay for it.
It's not so much how it feels...it's how one feels with out it, compared to the one with it.
I'd go along with that. Like most things in life you just get used to whatever it is you have, be it a smartphone or some technology in a car, and it's natural to not want to compromise. Lots of psychology goes on with car purchases that's for sure!
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A nice healthy bit of debate going on in here at last! It's been soooo dull and friendly for soooo long!!! :grin:
I'm not sure I agree with your earlier comment about saying you might as well buy a GTD if you don't spec the performance pack Exonian! What kind of logic is that?! I don't want a petrol vs diesel debate, but I just prefer the smoothness of petrol engines, and I prefer the looks of the GTI over the GTD in terms of wheels, red accents, and interior. There is more to a car than just performance, and £1000 extra for just 8 seconds gain around the Nurb simply isn't worth it for every day use in my view.
Yep, it's an expensive option on an already reasonably expensive car. Most people in the market for a GTI are not after a car that that they want to drive like they are on a track. Of those who do go for the performance pack, I suspect very few will actually be able to truly appreciate the difference, but just go for it for pub talk. Personally, I've never had an issue with the brakes on my MkV GTI, even fully-loaded, but then again, in such a state I wouldn't drive it like I'm around Brands Hatch!
You'll get used to me Graham but most of my posts are a bit tongue in cheek as I've been doing internet forums for many many years and just see time and again people taking the words they read very literally and you will get a bit of misunderstanding that leads to a massive online row. All good fun!! I do try and inject a bit of humour in and don't take much seriously.
I have a mate who sort of dates a lady via text messages and email and all they ever do is fall out as words get misinterpreted and misunderstandings turn into fall outs. Stick 'em in the room together and they get on just fine. It's a bit like that with forums. I used to do a lot of VW shows back in the 80s and 90s and met loads of great people. I'd fall out and argue to toss with them online I reckon but once you speak to them face to face you find that the differing opinions are not actually as marked as they look in print.
BUT I will say this, never underestimate the flexibility and performance of the modern Diesels. I drive them a lot and I'll side with the Diesel boys 75% of the time.
Back in 2008 I won a set of Koni FSD shocks for my mk5 GTI in VW Driver mag. I met Neil Birkett in rural Somerset for some action shots on country roads. I was driving a 240bhp modified mk5 GTI with Koni shocks and he had a standard 105 bhp Golf Plus TDI he had on road test. Now he's a much much better driver than me and I had another 135 bhp. Could I keep up with him? Nope! The TDI is made for give and take driving and a very fast cross country car. Just see what a lot of motoring journos will tell you off the record what cars they would personally buy - not the ones that you think would spring to mind!! The photo shoot is in the October or Nov 2008 VW Driver mag is anyone is in the slightest bit interested.
All I can say it that the mk7 GTI is the first one I've been willing to buy new as it's the first one that I'd be happy to own as a bog standard car since the mk2 GTI 8V. VW have got the spec vs cost about right I think. The Leon Cupra will prove me wrong on that score.
Just look at the Golf R cabrio, you get a peasant spec radio on a £40K car!! Just so wrong!!!
I aim to keep the mk7 for a lot longer than I normally keep my GTIs for and thus the massive depreciation will have to be swallowed and the PP will be beneficial to me as once the car is a few years old I will remap it and thus the diff and brakes will be very useful.
And don't assume because I've just said that I'm a boy racer as I'm not, I was 45 yesterday. I bought my first GTI in 1987 and have had many since. The reason GTIs have a cult following is that they are very balanced as standard but can be improved upon a little without upsetting that balance too much (ignoring the mk3 and 4 which were rubbish as standard and the reason SEAT became such a threat to VW for years). The PP has been put there by VW because they are very aware of the massive aftermarket industry and cult following of lightly modified GTIs, their chance at last to cash in on it and very beneficial to owners to have factory approved and properly engineered and tested modifications.
If I was going to buy the (quite well specced) standard car I do honestly think I'd plump for a GTD and just add a tuning box at a later date.
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Can't believe the 19" wheels are the same money though. I can understand the 17" - 19" upgrade being that price on the mk6 as the tyres on the 19" rims are expensive but from 18" - 19" a grand (almost) is a big jump. £600 would be fairer maybe?
A mate works in R+D for Honda. He tells me that the production line pay around £35 each for an 18 or 19" wheel and the same sort of price for a tyre, so I'd say £600 for an upgrade was still a bit steep.
I can well imagine what they pay on those massive scales!
I was going by normal retail price differences from respectable companies using decent branded stuff.
I'll keep my BBSs I think!!
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no right or wrong answer here really as VW have finally given owners choice, hence why ACC should remain an option (and one of the main reasons I never bought another rocco)
i'd take the performance pack over ACC any day as MK5/6 brakes are not the best and XDS can throw a wobbly, for me it would make for a more balanced car
out the box the 7 will be fine, PP just makes it a bit more focused
will be interesting what the second hand market will want, only time will tell
My thoughts more or less exactly.
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45?! I feel young again!! (I'm 37) :laugh:
Question for those non PPers - if the rumours are true and ACC becomes standard, will you be plumping for the PP for an extra 200 notes??
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My dealer still states ACC is standard, but where does an extra £200 notes for the PP come from?
Dave
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A fine long post Exonian, and I'm not too far behind - I was 40 yesterday! lol
I completely agree with forums and the written word - it can be taken very literally, and be the cause of many unfounded arguments! But, I think in this case we both know which page we are on. Having said that, the "remote dating" thing your mate is doing sounds interesting! :D
I've had my Mk5 GTI pretty much since new - was an 05 plate that I bought 6 months old. I've loved every minute of owning it, but like anything you do fancy something else. Plus it's falling way behind in terms of technology. I never really liked the styling of the Mk6, but I love everything about the Mk7, so the time felt right to go-for-broke on a new order. Like you I intend on keeping mine for, well, as long as I can really. I wouldn't be unhappy knowing I was going to be stuck with it for another 7 or 8 years that's for sure.
Oh I don't doubt or underestimate the performance of modern diesels. I know plenty of people with them, and have driven a fair few, but like I said, there is more to my purchase than mid-range grunt and economy. Call me shallow, but the GTI looks have as much to do with it! Now, if it turns out that the 2014 spec for the GTI does includes ACC as standard, I may consider just coughing up the extra dough and adding on the Performance Pack. However, like most people I have my financial limits, and within what I can reasonably afford I am getting the car that I want as the current spec stands.
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Pinched this link from the review thread....those not with PP watch this and have a rethink....
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/volkswagen-golf-gti-mk7-video-review
Of course, it's just one persons opinion....but for a grand (spread that monthly over 3 years and its nothing) it sounds worth it to me.
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My dealer still states ACC is standard, but where does an extra £200 notes for the PP come from?
Dave
If its standard (and fingers crossed it is) and you've specced it you've saved £795. Add on the PP for £980, the net cost to you being £185 - simples!
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If its standard (and fingers crossed it is) and you've specced it you've saved £795. Add on the PP for £980, the net cost to you being £185 - simples!
Well this is my thinking too... Of course if money were no object I'd spec. everything, but it is, and even a grand extra over three years adds up on top of the other grands that have been added already!
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Of course, money is always an issue. I didn't spec the ACC for this very reason as even though its "only" £795 it took me over my self enforced monthly limit, so I totally understand those not speccing the PP because of the extra cash.
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Right, same here. I've got a self-imposed monthly limit, and I'd rather not throw more of my savings at it just to keep upping the spec. Standard ACC would be good though, and I would definitely go the PP route then.
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Right, same here. I've got a self-imposed monthly limit, and I'd rather not throw more of my savings at it just to keep upping the spec. Standard ACC would be good though, and I would definitely go the PP route then.
Fingers crossed for all of us then!
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My dealer still states ACC is standard, but where does an extra £200 notes for the PP come from?
Dave
I have a sneaking suspision that your dealer is confusing "automatic cruise control" with "adaptive chassis control"? I know it's called ADC but in the VW bumph the cruise has been called ACC.
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I have a sneaking suspision that your dealer is confusing "automatic cruise control" with "adaptive chassis control"? I know it's called ADC but in the VW bumph the cruise has been called ACC.
You could be right there... I've seen the following used:
ACC - Adaptive Chasis Control
ACC - Automatic Cruise Control
ADC - Automatic Distance Control
DCC - Dynamic Chasis Control
Roll the dice and take your pick! lol
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It's not free :( I just called VW UK and the lady just checked all the latest updates for me. She said it's definitely a cost option as of right now.
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B0llocks :angry:
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My dealer still states ACC is standard, but where does an extra £200 notes for the PP come from?
Dave
I have a sneaking suspision that your dealer is confusing "automatic cruise control" with "adaptive chassis control"? I know it's called ADC but in the VW bumph the cruise has been called ACC.
I was thinking the same Jim, that's why I kept out of the ACC thread as I have seen on various bits of VWs website the cruise control referred to as ACC which ties in with ADC being standard and ACC being part of that kit.
Chassis Control is altogether different and a hell of a lot of money for them to throw into the spec when you get Xenons, 18s and ADC as standard.
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I must say after watching the vid I was almost convinced to add it on,
HOWEVER, I will have to wait to hear/watch/read a review of the car without it, I sure hope one comes before its too late!
I can also confirm ACC is not included so must be cruise control they refer to.
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I wasn't going to, but on the way to ordering the car I had this sudden gut feeling I would regret not having it once I had the car... so went for it.. then thought what the heck and added the 19"s to go with it...
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What do you all think of the white GTI logo on the brake calipers.
It put me off. I didn't order it.
Minimal gains for maximum price, remapping may not be such an easy option this time though :undecided:
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What do you all think of the white GTI logo on the brake calipers.
It put me off. I didn't order it.
Minimal gains for maximum price, remapping may not be such an easy option this time though :-\
I'm not a fan of the logo on the calipers because apart from the fact they look a bit tacky i bet they will fade with the heat from the brakes like the red paint tends to on the fronts.
Would adding the PP make any difference to insurance costs do we think?
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PP Version is in the same insurance group. But that is not to say that insurers won't charge more anyway.
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Don't insurance companies go on the base model of the car? After all, PP is an optional extra, not part of the basic set-up. Or do you have to tell them its an enhancement in performance I wonder?
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PP should be in a lower group IMO, it stops better and is less likely to understeer off the road. :laugh:
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Don't insurance companies go on the base model of the car? After all, PP is an optional extra, not part of the basic set-up. Or do you have to tell them its an enhancement in performance I wonder?
In theory your meant to declare all options that has been added to the car from the factory.
I doubt anyone ever does though.
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Don't insurance companies go on the base model of the car? After all, PP is an optional extra, not part of the basic set-up. Or do you have to tell them its an enhancement in performance I wonder?
In theory your meant to declare all options that has been added to the car from the factory.
I doubt anyone ever does though.
I always declare the lot :nerd: - for the sake of a few extra quid its not worth invalidating your insurance and/or giving them a reason not to pay out should you need to claim. :lipsrsealed:
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Sorry I meant to say added to the car at the factory!!
Yeah you would be mad not to declare mods after it left.
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In my experience they never care about anything you've specced on a new build, only stuff that's been added at a later date.
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PP should be in a lower group IMO, it stops better and is less likely to understeer off the road. :laugh:
I like your style!! :smiley: :cool:
Don't insurance companies go on the base model of the car? After all, PP is an optional extra, not part of the basic set-up. Or do you have to tell them its an enhancement in performance I wonder?
In theory your meant to declare all options that has been added to the car from the factory.
I doubt anyone ever does though.
I think it always wise to as it doesn't always load up the premium that much, especially if you have things like xenons and nav as if you don't declare them you can't ask for a like for like replacement or settlement figure to match the higher cost of the car's spec.
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I think it always wise to as it doesn't always load up the premium that much, especially if you have things like xenons and nav as if you don't declare them you can't ask for a like for like replacement or settlement figure to match the higher cost of the car's spec.
I've never been asked anything other than the car 'value' by the insurance companies. Wouldn't this cover it? So if you bought a 20k vehicle and added 2k of options you just tell them the value is 22k when they ask and you're good to go?
On the other hand I suppose the specifics of the extras might make the vehicle more or less likely to be pinched/vandalised/involved in a RTA... but I just can't imagine they have the data or ability to actually weigh up the risk of a stock car vs. one with sat nav and leather vs. with sat nav and PP etcetera and so on and so forth... That is going to be thousands of combinations, apart from anything else there just won't be enough cars on the road to give enough data because in any one area there might only be 2-3 of the same model, all with different specs and different kinds of drivers, so how can you possibly say what would happen to the risk if you added that sunroof or not? Sounds more trouble than its worth to me.
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I've only ever declared value, because that's all that matters. There is nowhere to record extras for a reason. If you need to make a total loss claim, any extras and whatnot from the invoice will be taken into consideration when determining what to pay out.
Regarding the Performance Pack though, just look out for what cars appear on the selection list when getting your insurance. If they only list the 217bhp version, then that's what you go with. The PP is a factory option, so you are not modifying the car from the manufacturers specification.
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I've often been asked if the car is different from the factory basic spec and I like them to know I'd want my xenons and leather and nav all included in whatever they settle with me. I always speak to the ins co on the phone to make sure both sides requirements are clear.
And also because I have a habit of running non standard wheels and other modifications that tend to make the insurance company sit up and take notice!!
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I'll put money on it that insurance companies will have 2 GTIs listed (probably in 2 different insurance groups) a 220ps version and a 230ps version.
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When I insured my current car (from new last year), I started telling them about the xenons, leather, ACC options I have and they said that, as they are factory fitted options, it didn't alter anything. Only modifications made to car after leaving factory would change the premium. This was VW insurance. I guess if in doubt you should check with your particular insurer.
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i would expect the PP to have higher insurance and there to be 2 listings for the new GTI
same as a mini cooper s vs a mini cooper s with JCW kit (factory fitted or not) - the insurance groups are different.
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i would expect the PP to have higher insurance and there to be 2 listings for the new GTI
same as a mini cooper s vs a mini cooper s with JCW kit (factory fitted or not) - the insurance groups are different.
The brochure lists the them both as ABI insurance group 29E.
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i would expect the PP to have higher insurance and there to be 2 listings for the new GTI
same as a mini cooper s vs a mini cooper s with JCW kit (factory fitted or not) - the insurance groups are different.
The brochure lists the them both as ABI insurance group 29E.
How does that compare with the Mk 6 ?
I read somewhere in a review that the radar (auto distance control thingy) had resulted in a lower insurance group than the Mk 6 due to the fact there should be less shunts :smiley:
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Back on topic the PP would be the first option I tick ... IMHO it has to be the best value option VW have ever given me, and might even tempt me out of an AWD car for the first time in 5 years :grin:
All personal choice though ... just like DSG :wink:
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i would expect the PP to have higher insurance and there to be 2 listings for the new GTI
same as a mini cooper s vs a mini cooper s with JCW kit (factory fitted or not) - the insurance groups are different.
The brochure lists the them both as ABI insurance group 29E.
How does that compare with the Mk 6 ?
I read somewhere in a review that the radar (auto distance control thingy) had resulted in a lower insurance group than the Mk 6 due to the fact there should be less shunts :)
Mk6 is 34E so 5 groups lower.
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Im actually shocked.by how few people here have not ordered the performance pack.
IMHO its a must have option on this car. :undecided:
I don't normally spec any options on cars but this is an absolute must imho
As for insurance groups they are meeningless imo I bet there's little difference if any. I've had quotes on cars in much higher groups and got a lower prices, I've had quotes on cars in much lower groups and got higher prices. The whole group thing is a.nonsence.
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I don't normally spec any options on cars but this is an absolute must imho
How come? 0.1 sec faster to 62 is something I wouldn't notice. Improved handling when the traction is *significantly* different between the front two wheels sounds like something I'll never need.
Anyway, unless you drive both versions you'll never know :tongue:
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How come? 0.1 sec faster to 62 is something I wouldn't notice. Improved handling when the traction is *significantly* different between the front two wheels sounds like something I'll never need.
Anyway, unless you drive both versions you'll never know :tongue:
Well exactly, but it just depends on how you drive you car. Some people like to cane it around and out of corners, and it does provide for bragging rights down the pub!
By all accounts, the XDS+ has been improved and tweaked on the new GTI to help reduce torque-steer above and beyond previous generations. That, combined with the new improved chasis and Dynamic Chasis Control, it should be a far more capable car than my current Mk5, of which I've never had any issues with in terms of handling. As I've said before though, I didn't buy a GTI to drive around like a nutter - I bought it for its comfort and all-round agility and practicality.
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How come? 0.1 sec faster to 62 is something I wouldn't notice. Improved handling when the traction is *significantly* different between the front two wheels sounds like something I'll never need.
Anyway, unless you drive both versions you'll never know :tongue:
Well exactly, but it just depends on how you drive you car. Some people like to cane it around and out of corners, and it does provide for bragging rights down the pub!
By all accounts, the XDS+ has been improved and tweaked on the new GTI to help reduce torque-steer above and beyond previous generations. That, combined with the new improved chasis and Dynamic Chasis Control, it should be a far more capable car than my current Mk5, of which I've never had any issues with in terms of handling. As I've said before though, I didn't buy a GTI to drive around like a nutter - I bought it for its comfort and all-round agility and practicality.
I guess neither of you have ever driven a front wheel drive car with a good quality diff in.
The difference in the damp with a diff in is huge and im not talking silly speeds. I have driven quite a few Alfa's with the £300 Q2 mechanical diff option fitted and what a difference it makes. It was a massive eye opener for me to what a difference a diff makes in day to day use. I once thought like you two... There was now traction out of junctions, traction in corners, traction on roundabouts. No wheel scrabble, no sliding in the damp greasy conditions, just sticks and grips.
I am not someone who drives fast or canes it, or a young person, but what a difference. People need to go try it imo.
But its up to you, but i really don't see the point of this car without it myself and i bet it will be hard to sell the car on in 3 years time or whenever without this pack fitted.
Its upto you lot but i personally think anyone ordering without it is simply bonkers. :laugh:
Anyway ive said my peace so will shut up on this subject now. BYE :tongue:
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That's all well and good Snoopy, but you speak as though a car without it has comparatively very little traction out of corners and is perpetually unwieldy in the damp. I completely hear what you are saying, don't get me wrong, but as somebody here said, it's one of things you will probably want again if you had it or experienced it in the past.
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Evo magazine reviewer commented that the mk 7 was less fun to drive than the mk 6.
Could the better diff be to blame?
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a good quality diff in
But is it? Its a locking diff which as I understand it means there has to be substantially different levels of traction on the two wheels before it has any improvement over an open diff. Furthermore the stock GTI has the ability to break any wheel experiencing a loss of traction, which although not the same as a mechanical system will still deliver much of the benefits. So, one could argue this is a rarely needed feature where the stock option already delivers much of the benefit.
Since I'm playing devils advocate I'll also argue that the 'huge' difference you describe would need to be tested in a blind study. Otherwise, sure if someone gets in a car with better features I'm sure they will start to 'notice' the difference. But I really would be surprised if more than 1% of people could tell if they were driving a GTI with PP or without if they weren't told before hand which it was. I kinda wonder, for someone looking for a private purchase in 3-4 years, if the seller tells them its got PP and DCC, other than looking for "GTI" stencilled on the callipers how would they know? Thats near £1800 that may or may not be there!
On resell value, I am inclined to agree with you more. To be honest if I was going to spec a car to have maximum resell I'd put manual, PP and DCC, tartan seats, 3dr and dynaudio. However, I don't want to resell it I want to enjoy it, so I didn't go for any of those options!
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Not that someone who did go for those options wouldn't enjoy it, I just mean I wanted other things and my budget was not limitless :sad:
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Evo magazine reviewer commented that the mk 7 was less fun to drive than the mk 6.
Could the better diff be to blame?
The you post a quote or two? The Autocar video reviewer, Steve really liked it.
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Evo reviewers, and the magazine itself, are after beasts of cars that you can chuck round corners and go through tyres in less than 10 mins. IMO their review is totally pointless as it goes against everything that I want from the car.
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I guess the real facts will come out when direct comparisons of the two are made, but I would be very, very surprised to hear that the stock GTI handles "inadequately" in comparison.
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Evo magazine reviewer commented that the mk 7 was less fun to drive than the mk 6.
Could the better diff be to blame?
The you post a quote or two? The Autocar video reviewer, Steve really liked it.
I think what EVO are getting at is the mk7 is 'better', but less fun because of that. I could be wrong though. I find it impossible to understand exactly what would make those guys completely happy with a car.
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I think what EVO are getting at is the mk7 is 'better', but less fun because of that. I could be wrong though. I find it impossible to understand exactly what would make those guys completely happy with a car.
That's how I interpret things. I like the Golf GTI precisely for the fact that it is not "fun". I use quotes because it's actually plenty of fun for how I drive. If the new one is even more refined, quieter, comfortable and "safe", that's all the more reason for me to like it over-and-above anything else.
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I think what EVO are getting at is the mk7 is 'better', but less fun because of that. I could be wrong though. I find it impossible to understand exactly what would make those guys completely happy with a car.
That's how I interpret things. I like the Golf GTI precisely for the fact that it is not "fun". I use quotes because it's actually plenty of fun for how I drive. If the new one is even more refined, quieter, comfortable and "safe", that's all the more reason for me to like it over-and-above anything else.
Interesting, in this review, you'll hear the driver claim the MK6 was too soft and generated too much under-steer;
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/volkswagen-golf-gti-mk7-video-review
I'll glad the professionals agree with everything! Perhaps, we should be choosing the "raw" MK5.
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LOL.
"GTI drivers poo poo car mag for wanting "exciting" (i.e. bloody dangerous) driving, say they want comfort, reliability and safety instead."
That would make a good headline! How times change. They should seriously drop out insurance premiums on the strength of these posts.
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I'm close to pulling the trigger on a new GTI the Performance Pack is tempting me, I get the feeling I will always regret it if I don't tick that box :laugh:
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I'm close to pulling the trigger on a new GTI the Performance Pack is tempting me, I get the feeling I will always regret it if I don't tick that box :laugh:
Every single review has said this is the must have option. Plus you'll be 0.1 seconds quicker than the non PP crew :cool:
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My motto has always been..."Don't Think.... Just DO!!!" :laugh:
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If you think you're gonna regret it otherwise then I say do it. I hate regretting things. I really really hate it.
However, for me I think I'd regret the -£1k bank balance more. I remain unconvinced I'd notice the slightest difference between the PP and non PP versions.
The reviewers are all pro PP, but have any of them driven anything else?
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I'm close to pulling the trigger on a new GTI the Performance Pack is tempting me, I get the feeling I will always regret it if I don't tick that box :laugh:
LoL ... just keep replaying this video from 1:30 to 2:35 :grin:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/volkswagen-golf-gti-mk7-video-review
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Well Autocar think I'm a fool for not specing the PP. Specifically their editor says:
"The £980 Performance pack transforms the car"
This would actually make me rethink my decision except he has only driven the PP GTI and so I can't understand how he can say it transforms the car if he hasn't got anything to compare it with. :huh:
Its as if VW have somehow convinced all the reviewers to talk it up without actually offering any objective reasoning. This is actually pretty annoying. I'd be happier if he had driven both and then categorically endorsed the PP as it would then help me decide. As it is I'm just left thinking all the logic says its not worth it, while all the mags say otherwise. :undecided:
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Who says they haven't driven them? :lipsrsealed:
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Who says they haven't driven them? :lipsrsealed:
Ok, you are right, they don't explicitly rule out having seent he non PP version. But they do imply only having seen the PP: "The model we tried was the slightly more expensive, but actually rather good value, GTI Performance edition."
Odd phrasing if they had tried two versions. In that case why not say they had done so and make direct comparisons. The statement is saying they tried just one model and it had the PP, otherwise they wouldn't say the model, it would be one of the or a model.
Well, lets turn it around. Anyone see a review where they specifically state they've tried both versions? Thats what we really want to see isn't it?
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Maybe VW told them they can review them both but have to hold off on posting the non PP review for a while? Isn't helping me decide if I should add it though :undecided:
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Well I've been thinking the same thing - transforms the car relative to what? We have no evidence to suggest that they have tried the non-PP equipped version.
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In one of the reviews posted up on here there was a mention that there were two types of GTI on offer to test, one colour was with PP and one colour was without.
I guess VW call the shots on these launch days up to a point as all of the road tests were online within about 24 hours of each other so VW obviously lifted the embargo on Monday.
The reason they'd review the PP GTIs I guess is that those are the ones with truly new technology rather than it being 'just another GTI' launch followed by the usual group tests where the GTI gets beaten in all the performance tests but still wins because the tester says it has the best balance of features for a road car. Then two years later it has mysteriously 'lost its crown' to something else... been the same for 30 odd years!!!
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Worth noting that it is one of the only items that will actually give the car a higher resell value.....
The rest of the things you choose you can set that money on fire.
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Totally agree you will likely get most if not all the cash back. It will only make financial sense if the base car has a resale value of less than 1k over the PP version.
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Aarrgghh!!! I hate you all!!! I've just called my dealer to add the performance pack cos you lot have planted the seed of doubt in my mind! However he tried to add it but couldn't due to the system being in lockout to update to MY14, now i don't know what to do?? :undecided:
He told me to call him on monday if i still wanted to add it, he also said come trade in time i would more than likely get most of the cost back.
Aarrgghh!! :angry:
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Haha, the joy of forums :laugh: Before you know it, that pure white will be oryx white ;)
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Aarrgghh!!! I hate you all!!! I've just called my dealer to add the performance pack cos you lot have planted the seed of doubt in my mind! However he tried to add it but couldn't due to the system being in lockout to update to MY14, now i don't know what to do?? :undecided:
He told me to call him on monday if i still wanted to add it, he also said come trade in time i would more than likely get most of the cost back.
Aarrgghh!! :angry:
Should have specced it in the first place :tongue:
Get it. You know you'll be forever wondering 'what if' if you don't :kiss:
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Get a solutions price with and without to see how well it holds up on retained value. I'f the monthly payments are about the same then it loses almost none of it's value as an add on. If it costs a tenner a month more then it will be retaining 2/3 of it's value (£360 extra over the terms of the finance, but about £30 of that will be interest). If it has only really cost you £330 extra over 3 years then that sounds like a canny deal.
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Should have specced it in the first place :tongue:
Get it. You know you'll be forever wondering 'what if' if you don't :kiss:
Its just so hard to take the plunge though. It adds a grand, and really if you go for it how can you then not get DCC? Its the same argument so you can't really go for one and then reject the other.
Just can't bring myself to do it. £1750 extra? I could afford it but not on a whim. The thing is, if you go for it then I honestly believe you'll never really *know*. Especially in my case where this will be my first GTI, having the stock car is gonna be an experience enough, getting a better than stock GTI won't mean anything to me because I don't know what stock is. I've got no reference point.
Always wondering "what if"? Well, I guess you just have to not be thinking that way.
Lower resale value? I said it before, if I choose the car to maximise resell I would pick completely different options to the ones I did. I want to drive the car I like the most, not the one the guy who I may or may not eventually sell to likes the most.
I guess I'm 60% in favour of no PP, and 40% in favour of PP... but for all the above reasons I just can't swing it in PPs favour!
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Would love to test drive 2 GTIs, one with PP and DCC, one without. But there's a twist. I don't want to know which is which before I drive them.
I think there is a strong possibility that knowing which is which before would make you an emphatic believer in PP and DCC after trying it. Not know which is which before might well demonstrate that you can't actually tell any difference between the two.
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I think alot depends on how you are buy the car for me its cash so id have to fork out another 1k in July / August. If come two years and I decide to sell the car as I have been doing with my last three cars. If a PP version is worth 1k more than mine fair enough im quids in. If however the PP version is worth 2K more its just cost me £500 per year extra to drive a lesser car :cry:. If only I could see into the future :smiley: I can see the temptation on finance to just spend the cerca 40 per month...
Just out of curiosity has anyone has a finance quote for the PP and non PP model. How does the guaranteed residual look?
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Should have specced it in the first place :tongue:
Get it. You know you'll be forever wondering 'what if' if you don't :kiss:
Its just so hard to take the plunge though. It adds a grand, and really if you go for it how can you then not get DCC? Its the same argument so you can't really go for one and then reject the other.
Just can't bring myself to do it. £1750 extra? I could afford it but not on a whim. The thing is, if you go for it then I honestly believe you'll never really *know*. Especially in my case where this will be my first GTI, having the stock car is gonna be an experience enough, getting a better than stock GTI won't mean anything to me because I don't know what stock is. I've got no reference point.
Always wondering "what if"? Well, I guess you just have to not be thinking that way.
Lower resale value? I said it before, if I choose the car to maximise resell I would pick completely different options to the ones I did. I want to drive the car I like the most, not the one the guy who I may or may not eventually sell to likes the most.
I guess I'm 60% in favour of no PP, and 40% in favour of PP... but for all the above reasons I just can't swing it in PPs favour!
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Would love to test drive 2 GTIs, one with PP and DCC, one without. But there's a twist. I don't want to know which is which before I drive them.
I think there is a strong possibility that knowing which is which before would make you an emphatic believer in PP and DCC after trying it. Not know which is which before might well demonstrate that you can't actually tell any difference between the two.
Agree it's a tough one in some respects, particularly for someone moving to their first gti and has no point of comparison. As you say, a blind, side by side test drive would be ideal.
My comment, though tongue in cheek, was directed at someone who has got experience of a GTI, so may perhaps have a different perspective on it. Either way, it depends on whether you think the gain is worth the extra expense in relation to your budget, your priorities on other options and resell. I've never chosen a car on its resell value but if it adds to it then all well and good.
If it were me moving to a mk7, (most likely in 2/3 years time) then I would, without hesitation, spec PP and DCC. It would be my 4th GTI and would be worth it for diff alone, the brakes and extra bhp a bonus :cool:
If I was a GTI virgin getting my first one, then probably not :undecided:
I'm looking forward to you new mk7 owners giving lots of 'real' in-depth reviews over the coming months, as you get to know the car - especially those who have opted for PP. This will help me, and others, make an informed decision about PP when new car time comes - the beauty of forums! If PP turns out to be a load of cr@p then that's £1k saved :smiley:
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I'm looking forward to you new mk7 owners giving lots of 'real' in-depth reviews over the coming months, as you get to know the car - especially those who have opted for PP. This will help me, and others, make an informed decision about PP when new car time comes - the beauty of forums! If PP turns out to be a load of cr@p then that's £1k saved :smiley:
Absolutely will post details for you and others.
Unsure how anyone will be able to give an opinion on PP though, just like the mags without trying both what can you say? One person likes their PP GTI, another likes their non PP GTI... not much to conclude from that. Even if you do try both its gotta be a blind test. I suspect you'll only see a difference on the track.
Willing to be proven wrong though. :tongue:
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I think alot depends on how you are buy the car for me its cash so id have to fork out another 1k in July / August. If come two years and I decide to sell the car as I have been doing with my last three cars. If a PP version is worth 1k more than mine fair enough im quids in. If however the PP version is worth 2K more its just cost me £500 per year extra to drive a lesser car :cry:. If only I could see into the future :smiley: I can see the temptation on finance to just spend the cerca 40 per month...
Just out of curiosity has anyone has a finance quote for the PP and non PP model. How does the guaranteed residual look?
Standard Pure White Residual = £14,319.90
PP Pure White (+Rev Cam) Residual = £14,621.40
Both on 5000miles PA
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An educated guess, but I think you'll find that those that are happy to cough up the £1000 for the PP will also be those happy to cough up another £500 or so for a remap at some point in the future. The two will go hand in hand.
Like any hobby or a good meal or holiday, you just accept that it's dead money but you've enjoyed it.
Having had at least eight or nine cars that have had engine remaps I can tell you that the PP will make ALL the difference thus equipped.
If you're just planning on leaving the car standard then I'd think twice. Well in fact I wouldn't think twice, I'd order a GTD DSG as it will be better. But that's just me :tongue:
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Excactly what I am considering ordering as my car needs to be replaced in October.
GTI performance pack 5 door dsg
DBP
or
GTD 5 door dsg
Tornado red
Keyless
Dynaudio
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Thanks Aaddict
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Think i will be adding it to my order, in that video on youtube, when the guy is shown selecting different modes on the dash is this only available then if the PP is on the car?
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Think i will be adding it to my order, in that video on youtube, when the guy is shown selecting different modes on the dash is this only available then if the PP is on the car?
Those modes being selected are part of the driver profile selection, standard on the GTI/GTD. If you add Dynamic Chassis Control to the spec, I think that you get more options related to that. Not sure adding the Performance Pack adds anything to those options.
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Think i will be adding it to my order, in that video on youtube, when the guy is shown selecting different modes on the dash is this only available then if the PP is on the car?
Those modes being selected are part of the driver profile selection, standard on the GTI/GTD. If you add Dynamic Chassis Control to the spec, I think that you get more options related to that. Not sure adding the Performance Pack adds anything to those options.
There's the settings for the dif with the PP cars.
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Thanks guys, going to add the PP , if i didnt and then met up with another owner who had it and tried his car, maybe i would forever regret it, finalise the spec tomorrow
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Have to admit guys, the more I read the reviews and the more I speak to people, the more I'm tempted to tick the box for the PP. I plan on keeping it for a good number of years, so spread over that it's not so bad. Really not bothered about the extra paper, but the brakes and diff are slowly selling it to me.
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Well, I have deliberated too much on this and finally given in and asked to add the option to my order. I did get a good price on it to be honest too, which helped.
As I will keep the car for 3 years or so, I couldn't live all that time knowing I could have had it, did the same kind of thing when we had the mk6 and didn't spec Xenons due to the cost, and always regreted that decision.
Dave
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I had no no intention of getting PP but peer pressure, from the forum and at work has lead to a change in mind.
Need to keep the car 4.5 years now!
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Hold strong lol remember in life you should never follow the masses :laugh:...
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Hold strong lol remember in life you should never follow the masses :laugh:...
Spoken like someone about to crumble and add the PP to their order :rolleyes: :grin:
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I will hold strong :smiley: To be honest when I saw the finance figure quoted above and the difference of 300 notes after three years I knew my position...
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Well in fact I wouldn't think twice, I'd order a GTD DSG as it will be better. But that's just me :tongue:
Exonian:
Can you tell me why the GTD DSG will be better for remapping (than the equivalent GTI)?
Just curious.
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I had no no intention of getting PP but peer pressure, from the forum and at work has lead to a change in mind.
Need to keep the car 4.5 years now!
:smiley: ... I don't think you will regret it for one minute :wink:
The new GTi engine has a lot more torque than the Mk 6, which is all transmitted to the front wheels. I could get the traction control light (ESP) flashing in 3rd gear with my (unmapped) Edition 30 uphill in the wet, and I'm no boy racer :grin: There are loads of circumstances in normal driving conditions when such a system will help IMHO, not just on the track ... accelerating out of roundabouts in the wet will be one for sure.
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Well, I have deliberated too much on this and finally given in and asked to add the option to my order. I did get a good price on it to be honest too, which helped.
As I will keep the car for 3 years or so, I couldn't live all that time knowing I could have had it, did the same kind of thing when we had the mk6 and didn't spec Xenons due to the cost, and always regreted that decision.
Dave
Yeah there is nothing worse that regret, especially such a significant purchase. I know I'll regret it if I don't get the heated screen too, which sucks because you need to get it with the £310 premium phone prep... I'm going to just tell the dealer to add the the PP, heated screen, and phone prep, but I not paying for the phone prep as it's something I don't want or can even use with my iPhone.
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Think i will be adding it to my order, in that video on youtube, when the guy is shown selecting different modes on the dash is this only available then if the PP is on the car?
Those modes being selected are part of the driver profile selection, standard on the GTI/GTD. If you add Dynamic Chassis Control to the spec, I think that you get more options related to that. Not sure adding the Performance Pack adds anything to those options.
There's the settings for the dif with the PP cars.
Jeez ... there's certainly a lot of options to play with if you have DCC and PP on top of the standard stuff :nerd: :nerd:
Anyone know what the engine settings available are ?? I think I can guess most of the rest.
(http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s422/JonnyGCars/Engine_zps88e53d3f.jpg) (http://s1051.photobucket.com/user/JonnyGCars/media/Engine_zps88e53d3f.jpg.html)
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Well in fact I wouldn't think twice, I'd order a GTD DSG as it will be better. But that's just me :tongue:
Exonian:
Can you tell me why the GTD DSG will be better for remapping (than the equivalent GTI)?
Just curious.
It was my bad description. I meant the GTD would more fun than a GTI without performance pack due to the high torque output making it a really punchy engine coupled with the lightening fast DSG gear changes that disguise the narrower power band.
Tongue in cheek personal opinion.
In fact the GTD would be easier to remap if you're going for an early car as it will likely be a bit of a wait for the tuners to come up with OBD flash remaps but tuning boxes will be available for the GTD very soon. 90% of the gains of a remap.
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How do plan on not paying?
I like the sound of this!
Well, I have deliberated too much on this and finally given in and asked to add the option to my order. I did get a good price on it to be honest too, which helped.
As I will keep the car for 3 years or so, I couldn't live all that time knowing I could have had it, did the same kind of thing when we had the mk6 and didn't spec Xenons due to the cost, and always regreted that decision.
Dave
Yeah there is nothing worse that regret, especially such a significant purchase. I know I'll regret it if I don't get the heated screen too, which sucks because you need to get it with the £310 premium phone prep... I'm going to just tell the dealer to add the the PP, heated screen, and phone prep, but I not paying for the phone prep as it's something I don't want or can even use with my iPhone.
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How do plan on not paying?
I like the sound of this!
It's called haggling, and if I'm going to drop an extra £1600, £300 of which is useless kit to me, they can move on the price or I'll order from another dealer, lol
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I had no no intention of getting PP but peer pressure, from the forum and at work has lead to a change in mind.
Need to keep the car 4.5 years now!
Me too. Everyone is saying 'go on get it, you know you want to'. I've asked my dealer what price they can do. Now I'm not sure if I'll regret it more if I do or if I don't. Damn you people!
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Me too. Everyone is saying 'go on get it, you know you want to'. I've asked my dealer what price they can do. Now I'm not sure if I'll regret it more if I do or if I don't. Damn you people!
Unfortunately, the best thing to do (and not what we want to do) is wait for the proper reviews and comparisons to come out between the two variants, and ideally for the car itself to be out and in use! Only then will we truly know if it's worth the cash. Same with the Dynamic Chasis Control, but at least that's not new tech and I've experienced DCC myself.
Personally, I'm just going to go for it if I get the numbers I want and not worry about it. It can't make the car worse...surely?! ;)
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I don't have your problems. Haha! :evil:
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I don't have your problems. Haha! :evil:
I don't follow you.
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I don't have your problems. Haha! :evil:
I don't follow you.
I'm buying a GTD so specifying the 'Performance Pack' isn't an issue for me.
Kinda glad after reading all the reviews. Sounds awesome!
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I don't have your problems. Haha! :evil:
I don't follow you.
I'm buying a GTD so specifying the 'Performance Pack' isn't an issue for me.
Kinda glad after reading all the reviews. Sounds awesome!
Yeah, it looks like a great vehicle you're gonna be getting. I just gotta have the GTI for now, but next time around I may well consider a switch.
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Performance pack now added to my order! He says it'd gone to BW 44 :shocked: but he phoned them up straight away and they said it'll sort itself out because no BW have been allocated yet and it's down to the MY system update and def won't be that late, i'm ok as long as it's here by sept but i'd bare in mind anyone adding it that it may push it back a little, worth asking first methinks?? :huh:
It had better be good this car! :whistle:
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I added it too, but no mention of a later build week.
I can't see it affecting things, unless of course they have suppliers issues with the diff, or bigger brakes suppliers!
Dave
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According to my analysis the take up of the performance pack is 31% based on the sticky post. Just a tad lower than the 33% VW predicted (but we have a low-ish sample size so statistically they are no different).
So one would hope this means they have just the right number of parts!
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=253044.0
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Aye, it's a small sample size, and not really representative of the general GTI-buying public, as we are all clearly a bit more enthusiastic about it by being on here and ordering early in the first place! But, good stats though.
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I think at £1000 I'd make myself like it :grin: and not sure I could openly admit it was a waste of money :embarrassed:
In saying that if I could afford to throw another £1000 at the car I'd spec it.
How will it work with remaps?
If a typical remap can say increase the PS by 40 but VW have already tuned it to give you an extra 10PS over the stock GTI, will a remap on a Performance Pack GTI only give you an extra 30PS but without the Performance Pack you can get 40PS or has that extra 10PS not come from tuning?
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Its not a true random sample, you are spot.
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I think at £1000 I'd make myself like it :grin: and not sure I could openly admit it was a waste of money :embarrassed:
In saying that if I could afford to throw another £1000 at the car I'd spec it.
How will it work with remaps?
If a typical remap can say increase the PS by 40 but VW have already tuned it to give you an extra 10PS over the stock GTI, will a remap on a Performance Pack GTI only give you an extra 30PS but without the Performance Pack you can get 40PS or has that extra 10PS not come from tuning?
They changed some parts. I'll see if I can dig up which ones.
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I think at £1000 I'd make myself like it :grin: and not sure I could openly admit it was a waste of money :embarrassed:
In saying that if I could afford to throw another £1000 at the car I'd spec it.
How will it work with remaps?
If a typical remap can say increase the PS by 40 but VW have already tuned it to give you an extra 10PS over the stock GTI, will a remap on a Performance Pack GTI only give you an extra 30PS but without the Performance Pack you can get 40PS or has that extra 10PS not come from tuning?
I can hear us all now repeating in our minds, "It IS better, it IS better" :D
As far as remapping goes, I'm not sure, but it's the brakes and diff that have ultimately sold it to me. The performance is more than adequate as it is!
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They changed some parts. I'll see if I can dig up which ones.
Ah right that makes sense then. Cheers.
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They changed some parts. I'll see if I can dig up which ones.
Ah right that makes sense then. Cheers.
Ah wait, the review where I thought they were talking about changes to the engine between the 220 and 230 actually seems to be referring to changes between the mk6 and mk7... now I'm not sure.
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Just ordered Pure White 3dr Performance Pack & Rev Cam. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Just ordered Pure White 3dr Performance Pack & Rev Cam. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Nice one. Just in time.
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The 10 bhp will just likely be from a tweak of the ECU so remapping will nett the same results from the PP and cooking GTI.
But a remap will be where you really notice the PPs other features, particularly the diff.
The bigger brakes will be handy on the odd occasion but just like ABS brakes, you'd rather have the best braking available when you really NEED it than not!
Time will tell.
The added traction afforded by the diff to put down the 258lb ft (quite a respectable figure) when one wheel suddenly loses a bit of grip (gravel, oil, water, drain covers) even on part throttle will be appreciated without even realising it much of the time.
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Just ordered Pure White 3dr Performance Pack & Rev Cam. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
By the skin of your teeth!!
:cool:
Probably best value for money spec too.
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Hehe, the word "car" and "value for money" don't belong in the same sentence in any capacity! :grin:
Good choice though AAddict, you'll love it for sure :) Right colour too!
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Is it still the right colour if everyone else has picked it too? :evil:
Actually I picked it so... yeah.
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Is it still the right colour if everyone else has picked it too? :evil:
Actually I picked it so... yeah.
Well, here's my twisted logic! It has to be either Red, Black or White. Red looks nice, but all of the accents are red, so get lost. Black looks gorgeous when clean...exactly. White just suits the car so well, brings out the accents (both red and black) and is super-easy to keep clean!
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Hi everyone,
Been lurking for a while and decided to join the forum. So here goes my first post.
Back in the 80's I had two Mark II GTi's and to this day I still remember what great cars they were. So when the mark VII was announced I followed the story with interest and since I was in the market for a new car I decided to bite the bullet and order one a couple of weeks ago.
So I went for a 3 door (the only proper GTi :smiley:) manual (I'm old school) Carbon Grey Metallic (conservative, but then I'm not as young as you guys!) with the only option being standard sat nav. I thought the PP was just a marketing ploy.
BUT. I then read the reviews raving about the PP and how it's a no brainer and I just knew I would regret it forever if I didn't get it. And because I plan to keep the car for a good number of years it would be a LOT of regret.
So today I called my dealer and asked him to add it :smiley: I wanted to do it before the price increase, but then he said an interesting thing. Apparently, becasue the GTI/GTD are so new he's been told that there will not be a price increase for those two models, although the rest of the range will increase.
Will be interesting to see if that really is the case.
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Will be interesting, the increase is due to come in when exactly ?
I got the confirmation of order this morning on mine, wonder if i can add extras as i go along lol
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When I ordered mine today , the salesperson told me I can change anything for the next week or so and the price is protected.
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Hi joet, welcome to the forums!
Nice choice, GTI manual - number of doors and colour is up for debate ;) Nah, if the improvements over the Mk6 are to be believed, I'm not going to miss my trusty old Mk5 at all.
Interesting how we are getting different spins on the price increase and what can/can't be changed by when. Yet again, typical of the fiasco so far, but my spec is final now, don't need or want anything else adding to it or removing. Well, apart from...nah, just kidding! :grin:
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Thank you. Agree - it all seems a bit chaotic from VW. Not what I expected from them. When the cars finally arrive I'm sure it will all have been worth it :)
Hi joet, welcome to the forums!
Nice choice, GTI manual - number of doors and colour is up for debate ;) Nah, if the improvements over the Mk6 are to be believed, I'm not going to miss my trusty old Mk5 at all.
Interesting how we are getting different spins on the price increase and what can/can't be changed by when. Yet again, typical of the fiasco so far, but my spec is final now, don't need or want anything else adding to it or removing. Well, apart from...nah, just kidding! :grin:
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lol everytime i read something here i want to add it!! rear cam sounds good...
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Thank you. Agree - it all seems a bit chaotic from VW. Not what I expected from them. When the cars finally arrive I'm sure it will all have been worth it :)
Oh I'm sure it will be. My current Mk5 makes me smile every time I drive it, and it's great to look at too (apart from the ugly black rear bumper). With the Mk6, I didn't like the direction the styling was going, but the Mk7 slapped my in my face and proved me wrong - I love it, absolutely love it, from every angle.
I keep thinking to myself that it's a huge amount of money I'm spending here, but if the real car makes me smile as much as I do when reading about it and watching videos...it'll be totally worth every penny :)
lol everytime i read something here i want to add it!! rear cam sounds good...
Go on, you know you want to! :evil: Honestly though, it's one of those things that for the price, you just might as well. It genuinely is useful, whereas DCC and PP are more considered options with a much higher price.
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Interesting how we are getting different spins on the price increase and what can/can't be changed by when. Yet again, typical of the fiasco so far, but my spec is final now, don't need or want anything else adding to it or removing. Well, apart from...nah, just kidding! :grin:
Wait a minute, how much have you added? You're not looking to rival Norbreak for the crown of most fully loaded GTI are you?
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Wait a minute, how much have you added? You're not looking to rival Norbreak for the crown of most fully loaded GTI are you?
Haha, not sure, let's see!
- Special Paint - Pure White
- Winter Pack in conjunction with bi-xenon headlights
- ACC (Adaptive Chasis Control)
- Keyless Entry
- Park Assist
- Rear-view camera
- Heated Front Windscreen
- Premium Phone Prep (needed for heated screen...sucks)
- Performance Pack
Not too many, right?! :grin: It's a car I intend to keep for a long time so am not interested in resale value after 3 years. Park Assist was thrown in there after I found out that the colour MFD was standard.
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Wait a minute the colour MFD is standard? i asked my dealer and he said no its an option :sick:
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Yep, pretty much 100% confirmed several times by my dealer and others on here. It's still an option on the configurator and internal VW systems until the MY14 spec changes come into effect. I have it on my order just so it doesn't get missed, but it's got 0 price against it.
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Nice one Gryzor, my car should come with one then...cheers :nerd:
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Nice one Gryzor, my car should come with one then...cheers :nerd:
If it doesn't, er, don't shoot the messenger! :grin:
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Wait a minute, how much have you added? You're not looking to rival Norbreak for the crown of most fully loaded GTI are you?
Haha, not sure, let's see!
- Special Paint - Pure White
- Winter Pack in conjunction with bi-xenon headlights
- ACC (Adaptive Chasis Control)
- Keyless Entry
- Park Assist
- Rear-view camera
- Heated Front Windscreen
- Premium Phone Prep (needed for heated screen...sucks)
- Performance Pack
Not too many, right?! :grin: It's a car I intend to keep for a long time so am not interested in resale value after 3 years. Park Assist was thrown in there after I found out that the colour MFD was standard.
Colour doesn't count (can't exactly have no paint work) so by my tally you're on 8 extras added... Norbreak still beats you by one!
Nice spec though, wish I had the heated windscreen but I have stretched myself grabbing the PP and ACC at the last minute so I'm not even considering it. :sad:
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Boooo, I need to add something...damn, nothing I'm bothered about! Perhaps SatNav, but I rarely use my TomTom as it is, and like you have just about reached my limit after today. If I add luxury carpet mats, do they count? ;)
As for the heated screen, it's a whole different level of regret with that one vs DCC or PP. I always told myself my next car would have it, and I very nearly didn't order a GTI in the first place because of that, but then I heard a rumour. I just know for a fact that as soon as it pees down with rain and mists up, or we get our first frosty morning, I'd be kicking myself. At £595 total spend, it's a crazy option, but then it's a crazy car!
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I wonder if you can retrofit one after a year or so if you decide you really want it. I mean, windscreens are intended to be easily replaced if needed so surely its just down to doing the wiring on the inside. I wonder how cheap or not it might be...
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I'd considered the retro-fit approach, but in the end, it'll cost a fair packet to get an official one bought and fitted anyway - potentially way more than the £285 they are charging for a factory fit. Plus it just won't be the same in terms of wiring.
As daft as it sounds, the heated screen is probably the most useful thing on the car for me! lol
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I'd considered the retro-fit approach, but in the end, it'll cost a fair packet to get an official one bought and fitted anyway - potentially way more than the £285 they are charging for a factory fit. Plus it just won't be the same in terms of wiring.
As daft as it sounds, the heated screen is probably the most useful thing on the car for me! lol
I'm gutted they don't fit it as standard! I mean, they give you adaptive cruise control, xenons and 18inch alloys... :angry:
Also I bet it costs them peanuts to add it. The cynical me says its not there because xenons and 18inch wheels are the things that "sell" the car, not the windscreen. And because they can then shaft everyone who wants it over the price.
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I'm gutted they don't fit it as standard! I mean, they give you adaptive cruise control, xenons and 18inch alloys... :angry:
Also I bet it costs them peanuts to add it. The cynical me says its not there because xenons and 18inch wheels are the things that "sell" the car, not the windscreen. And because they can then shaft everyone who wants it over the price.
I know, crazy huh? I've no idea why they couldn't have just gone with the same heated screen tech as they have in the Passatt CC, which to say, is essentially the same as that used by Ford, with embedded wires. Could have been a cheap £150 option, but no.
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I'm gutted they don't fit it as standard! I mean, they give you adaptive cruise control, xenons and 18inch alloys... :angry:
Also I bet it costs them peanuts to add it. The cynical me says its not there because xenons and 18inch wheels are the things that "sell" the car, not the windscreen. And because they can then shaft everyone who wants it over the price.
I know, crazy huh? I've no idea why they couldn't have just gone with the same heated screen tech as they have in the Passatt CC, which to say, is essentially the same as that used by Ford, with embedded wires. Could have been a cheap £150 option, but no.
I hate that system on fords, my eyes focus on the zig-zags even when I try to stop them. :undecided:
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It's never bothered me, either as a passenger or a driver, but at least this new system eliminates that completely. I guess it's also more durable against stone chips as there are no individual wires to break.
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I'm gutted they don't fit it as standard! I mean, they give you adaptive cruise control, xenons and 18inch alloys... :angry:
Also I bet it costs them peanuts to add it. The cynical me says its not there because xenons and 18inch wheels are the things that "sell" the car, not the windscreen. And because they can then shaft everyone who wants it over the price.
I know, crazy huh? I've no idea why they couldn't have just gone with the same heated screen tech as they have in the Passatt CC, which to say, is essentially the same as that used by Ford, with embedded wires. Could have been a cheap £150 option, but no.
Swings and roundabouts....
This new plastic film reduces IR radiation (which I assume the Ford system doesn't) thus giving VW a "marketing" advantage over competitors (and giving you a tiny efficiency gain in summer).
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True, it is supposed to reduce IR to keep things slightly cooler in summer - the wired screens don't do that I assume.
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So they are putting it on every window then, not just the windscreen? Because if not that is going to work how exactly? :huh:
I don't buy it (and I'm also not buying it). Quite apart from the questionable effectiveness why offer one high priced option and then force it to be paired with another high price option? They could at least give us a cheaper wire based windscreen as standard or even as a lower cost option to the premium laminate one. Oh wait, that wouldn't net them much profit would it? (Ok, fine, can't really complain about capitalism while simultaneously benefiting from it I know...).
I have the "quick clear windscreen" option on my 59 Fiesta. Cost £100 smackers straight up and worth every penny. It is zigzags and I never notice them, so may be newer design than the one AAddict has seen? Actually today I was thinking about the VW film idea while driving and had to consciously look to see the zigzags, I really don't find them that noticeable.
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No, just the windscreen, and the IR thing has absolutely no bearing on anything for me whatsoever. The reason why they have paired it with the premium phone prep is so that if anybody has phone signal issues due to the screen, they can (if it's compatible) hook up their phone via Bluetooth rSAP, and make use of an external aerial to boost the phones reception. I'm not convinced that phones will not work without it, but whatever.
At the end off the day, it is what it is and if you want it, you have to pay. I went through the whole argument with them, but there's nothing we can do about it (apart from vote with our pockets, or not).
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If the screen is available without the phone option in other markets then the argument about signal losses with the new screen fitted would appear to be bollocks.
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If the screen is available without the phone option in other markets then the argument about signal losses with the new screen fitted would appear to be nuts.
That was kind of my point, though I guess my sarcasm didn't come across well! As they are not changing anything but the windscreen the IR deal and the phone signal deal are irrelevant because there are 5 or something other windows there for the sun to heat the car and the phone to send its signal.
Which is why I think is an option so they can maximise profit from an item that won't bring sales on its own so is not value for them to include as standard.
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If the screen is available without the phone option in other markets then the argument about signal losses with the new screen fitted would appear to be nuts.
Looking at the German GTD brochure, you can't have it if you remove climate control and you can only have it if:
1. You have the "Light and Sight" package (leaving/coming home, dimming rear view mirror and rain sensor).
2. You have either the "Composition Media" radio or one of the navigation systems - "Discover Media" or "Discover Pro".
3. You have either of the telephone options - "Comfort" (EUR 370) or "Premium" (EUR 465).
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They are making that way to complicated, I'm telling you. What is wrong with these people? Its only a heated windscreen, hardly the most complicated or cutting edge of technology!
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VW do come up with some crazy "links" on options sometimes :rolleyes:
With the Mk 6 Golf R you could only get the darkened headlight surrounds with the optional 19" Alloy wheel option. :whistle: :undecided:
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Yep, it's crazy, and it is what it is unfortunately. It's an option, so we either go for it, or not! I want it for those cold winter days when I know I'll regret not having it,
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I just laid in the bath and read the latest edition of VW Driver magazine and Neil Birkitt wasn't of the opinion that you need the PP on a road car (well not a standard non re-mapped one anyway). His words are those that I would take a lot of notice of.
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I just laid in the bath and read the latest edition of VW Driver magazine and Neil Birkitt wasn't of the opinion that you need the PP on a road car (well not a standard non re-mapped one anyway). His words are those that I would take a lot of notice of.
Common sense has been saying that all along, but I was tempted like a magpie to a shiny object anyway...
Interestingly the PP might be a bad thing for remaps because the LSD limits what power you can have. On the other hand without the LSD its debatable what use extra power is I guess.
EDIT: I wonder how many people will realise this... if you pick one up second hand in a few years and look to take more than 260PS from it then you might be in for a surprise if the diff goes bang. I'm assuming that is what they mean by it can handle up to 260PS. I wonder how much buffer there is in that number?
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I just laid in the bath and read the latest edition of VW Driver magazine and Neil Birkitt wasn't of the opinion that you need the PP on a road car (well not a standard non re-mapped one anyway). His words are those that I would take a lot of notice of.
There's no doubt that with the option of a PP being available, it entices you to add it because you will always think that the car is not quite at peak performance without it. It's all psychological in my opinion and im first to admit that i've fallen fot it. It was the first option I picked above all others
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I just laid in the bath and read the latest edition of VW Driver magazine and Neil Birkitt wasn't of the opinion that you need the PP on a road car (well not a standard non re-mapped one anyway). His words are those that I would take a lot of notice of.
Common sense has been saying that all along, but I was tempted like a magpie to a shiny object anyway...
Interestingly the PP might be a bad thing for remaps because the LSD limits what power you can have. On the other hand without the LSD its debatable what use extra power is I guess.
That's the nail on the head right there, the LSD will allow a much higher % of the power to be used, whether it's the standard or remapped. Not just through the corners either. The slingshot effect out of the corners looks so much fun with the PP.
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I just laid in the bath and read the latest edition of VW Driver magazine and Neil Birkitt wasn't of the opinion that you need the PP on a road car (well not a standard non re-mapped one anyway). His words are those that I would take a lot of notice of.
First Chris Harris said it and now Neil Birkitt. Makes you wonder...
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First Chris Harris said it and now Neil Birkitt. Makes you wonder...
Glad I went with my instincts! Like I said, I never drive my current car into and out of corners like a racer, or routinely floor it when setting off from traffic lights. It's an extra that VW know will be very tempting for a decent proportion of the target audience, regardless of whether they really need it or not. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it works exactly as described, and we all buy our cars for different reasons and drive them accordingly!
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First Chris Harris said it and now Neil Birkitt. Makes you wonder...
Glad I went with my instincts! Like I said, I never drive my current car into and out of corners like a racer, or routinely floor it when setting off from traffic lights. It's an extra that VW know will be very tempting for a decent proportion of the target audience, regardless of whether they really need it or not. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it works exactly as described, and we all buy our cars for different reasons and drive them accordingly!
In that case it's definitely not worth it for you, saving you a fair packet mate ;)
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In that case it's definitely not worth it for you, saving you a fair packet mate ;)
Hehe, nah, just shifted some funds into the Discover Nav instead! :grin:
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In that case it's definitely not worth it for you, saving you a fair packet mate ;)
Hehe, nah, just shifted some funds into the Discover Nav instead! :grin:
Sod that I'm gonna use Android and google maps lol. I hope not having sat nav doesn't affect resale though!
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Sod that I'm gonna use Android and google maps lol. I hope not having sat nav doesn't affect resale though!
I do that currently since SatNav wasn't an option in my car when I purchased it. And even if it had been it probably would have been highly expensive for a unit with poor functionality compared to a a TomTom or an Android phone.
However, there are some problems (I'm on a Galaxy S2, newer phones may be better at this):
- You must have data signal to use otherwise it can't find the route, or more critically download the maps (sometimes I have a route but the map is extreme low quality or not there at all). Helps if you use wifi to download and find the route before leaving, but a few occasions it has left me high and dry when I'm out in the styx and can't access the navigation at all.
- Data use = potentially expensive to use compared to free TomTom or car unit
- Reliability is low, phone battery can die, phone calls typically interrupt and sometimes cancel the navigation, phone can't multi-task requiring downloading maps and route again
- Phone screen is very small compared to 8" GTI screen
- Speed camera detection isn't great, requires downloading seperate apps and remembering to update and enable them before each journey
- Lacks features like "find nearest filling station" or "avoid motorways" or they require cancelling and re enabling a new navigation.
- Basically all of the above are summed up by "Its not a dedicated nav unit so its imperfect"
On the plus side:
- Doesn't cost a grand
- Apps frequently and easily updated so new functionality can be gained (but rare in my experience)
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Sod that I'm gonna use Android and google maps lol. I hope not having sat nav doesn't affect resale though!
It's just one of those things that completes the gadgets in the car really - I don't use Sat Nav much anyway, and have a separate Tom Tom as well as my iPhone. I just can't be doing with cables dangling and having mounts for things stuck on the dash or window. Just extra crap to mess with and setup before you drive off!
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It's just one of those things that completes the gadgets in the car really - I don't use Sat Nav much anyway, and have a separate Tom Tom as well as my iPhone. I just can't be doing with cables dangling and having mounts for things stuck on the dash or window. Just extra crap to mess with and setup before you drive off!
This. Well, for me it is this.
Also, the Nav just completes the dash for me. Cars with inbuilt nav seem so much cooler and more modern than without. For me it is the one thing that separates cars into 20th and 21st century...
But I'm weird...
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This. Well, for me it is this.
Also, the Nav just completes the dash for me. Cars with inbuilt nav seem so much cooler and more modern than without. For me it is the one thing that separates cars into 20th and 21st century...
But I'm weird...
Yeah it's just one of those things that for me is nice to have integrated, even though I didn't consider it at first. Not sure I could justify going pro though, but it sure does look nice with that 8" screen!
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However, there are some problems (I'm on a Galaxy S2, newer phones may be better at this):
Add to that, you are technically using your phone if you have to punch in a route while on the go so if caught are liable to 3 penalty points and a fine!!
Sat Nav is expensive especially if you don't use it enough but its an option that may well swing a potential sale in the future. I don't think I could go back to trailing wires / dashmounts etc.
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This. Well, for me it is this.
Also, the Nav just completes the dash for me. Cars with inbuilt nav seem so much cooler and more modern than without. For me it is the one thing that separates cars into 20th and 21st century...
But I'm weird...
Yeah it's just one of those things that for me is nice to have integrated, even though I didn't consider it at first. Not sure I could justify going pro though, but it sure does look nice with that 8" screen!
Completely agree. I've never had inbuilt sat nav before and it's one thing I really wanted with this car. Think the 8" inch screen looks great in the dash. I'm in two minds as to whether I should have specced Dynaudio with it :undecided:
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What exactly does Dynaudio give you apart from a headache? :tongue:
Only kidding. But seriously, what is the supposed benefit over stock speakers?
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What exactly does Dynaudio give you apart from a headache? :tongue:
Only kidding. But seriously, what is the supposed benefit over stock speakers?
Better sound quality...for those sat stationary, in the country, listening to lossless audio! ;)
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What exactly does Dynaudio give you apart from a headache? :tongue:
Only kidding. But seriously, what is the supposed benefit over stock speakers?
Better sound quality, plus it's louder :evil:
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Well all are very good points. I do need some sort of navigation. Not keen on wires dangling, so tom tom is out of the question. It can be a bit cumbersome with holding/looking at phone or entering postcode and driving too. An important point was the speed camera notification, didn't think of that.
I think I'll go for it, but the basic mind you. As much as the Pro screen looks good, we're talking leather option money. £700 odd is just about acceptable.
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£700 odd is just about acceptable.
It's biggest rip off of them all IMO, you can probably flash the software onto the standard unit for free. £700 only looks reasonable next to the pro-nav price :grin:
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Anyone know if this Nav unit can give audible notification of speed cameras? That was the only thing that let the RNS510 down.
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£700 odd is just about acceptable.
It's biggest rip off of them all IMO, you can probably flash the software onto the standard unit for free. £700 only looks reasonable next to the pro-nav price :grin:
Flash? Now that sounds interesting. The Nav data is on the SD card I think. How would one go about doing this I wonder?
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£700 odd is just about acceptable.
It's biggest rip off of them all IMO, you can probably flash the software onto the standard unit for free. £700 only looks reasonable next to the pro-nav price :grin:
Flash? Now that sounds interesting. The Nav data is on the SD card I think. How would one go about doing this I wonder?
I was thinking aloud really, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the two units are exactly the same hardware with a different software loaded for the Nav version.
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The trouble is £1750 for a sat nav is so expensive. Do you think in 6 months you will be able to buy the unit and just retro fit it?
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Exactly for me its £1750 or £150 for a tom tom..
Tommy wins this one
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The trouble is £1750 for a sat nav is so expensive. Do you think in 6 months you will be able to buy the unit and just retro fit it?
I would doubt it to be honest. I think you would be hard pushed to find one of these units on the open market, at least not in the immeditate future. Even then you may find that the units are only being sold by some dodgy seller living abroad. I had the same problem with my current car in that i budgeted just to get into the base spec. In retrospect, i wish at the time i had taken the plunge and went for the upgraded alloys and the sat nav as after a year of ownership i was always thinking that I had missed out. However, at the end of the day everyone has their personal budget and you have to feel comfortable about what you can and can't afford
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They will come put on the market Craig, as did RNS510 for the mk5 etc. I think for some its not the initial cost, it's the fact I would begrudge paying that much. It does look fantastic and if I got one its one thing I would want. However question for me wether to wait and see if can retro fit later on and save couple £.
Though I am tight :grin:
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£1750 for the new sat nav sounds expensive but when you consider the rns510 was costing more as an option and you never got free maps for three years either. I doubt very much you will be able to just flash the software of the lower priced unit, not even VW are that slack! Your not only getting sat nav though your also getting a hard drive for music for the people who don't Bluetooth music or use USB or ipods etc. Your also getting dab radio which only recently became available on the rns510 so the £1750 is looking quite a good deal in comparison? oh and the 8” screen is bigger too :nerd:
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They will come put on the market Craig, as did RNS510 for the mk5 etc. I think for some its not the initial cost, it's the fact I would begrudge paying that much. It does look fantastic and if I got one its one thing I would want. However question for me wether to wait and see if can retro fit later on and save couple £.
Though I am tight :grin:
Need to factor in you won't have a roof mounted aerial if you don't spec sat nav from factory (I think).
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They will come put on the market Craig, as did RNS510 for the mk5 etc. I think for some its not the initial cost, it's the fact I would begrudge paying that much. It does look fantastic and if I got one its one thing I would want. However question for me wether to wait and see if can retro fit later on and save couple £.
Though I am tight :grin:
It's a fair enough point. Yes, the unit is very expensive but the hassle (not to mention risk) involved in tyring to find a decent one as well as then trying to retrofit depending on wiring etc (not sure if it's just plug and play) just to save what would probably only be few £'s is not worth it imo
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The trouble is £1750 for a sat nav is so expensive. Do you think in 6 months you will be able to buy the unit and just retro fit it?
This unit is different in that the screen in the dash is just that, a screen and all the workings are in the glovebox, i assume this is to make it harder to steal and retrofit.
Someone has posted pictures from etka on here about it.
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I don't think it'll be a simple retro fit like the RNS was. The screen is just that, a screen. All the other hardware, the DVD drive, SD slots, wiring, etc is all in the glovebox.
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I don't think it'll be a simple retro fit like the RNS was. The screen is just that, a screen. All the other hardware, the DVD drive, SD slots, wiring, etc is all in the glovebox.
Are you a parrot? :grin:
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I don't think it'll be a simple retro fit like the RNS was. The screen is just that, a screen. All the other hardware, the DVD drive, SD slots, wiring, etc is all in the glovebox.
Are you a parrot? :grin:
Oops, great minds, I hadn't seen your post :laugh:
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Oh that's interesting! Jimble do you have a link to that post where shows about all the wiring etc. certainly adds a diffident dimension if its not going to be a stand alone unit! Like pesky bmws.
In which case it would be an option to have, I was just hoping like last nav it would have been plug and play swap:(
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Oh that's interesting! Jimble do you have a link to that post where shows about all the wiring etc. certainly adds a diffident dimension if its not going to be a stand alone unit! Like pesky bmws.
In which case it would be an option to have, I was just hoping like last nav it would have been plug and play swap:(
Here you go:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=252535.10
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Thanks, though I'm slightly gutted! Lol
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Responding to the thread, yes I have ordered Performance Pack today!
Can't wait, but to be honest I can really as I do love my MK 6 GTI :smiley:
Mk 7 GTI :cool:
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Responding to the thread, yes I have ordered Performance Pack today!
Can't wait, but to be honest I can really as I do love my MK 6 GTI :smiley:
Mk 7 GTI :cool:
Good work :laugh: