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Title: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: churchygti on 20 January 2013, 20:11
My mk3 golf estate has a 2.0 16v gti engine in when i brought it but the log book says 1800. How can i get this altered to reflect this.

There would be no tax differece either between a 1800 and 2000 of that age..?

Any ideas thanks

Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 20 January 2013, 20:13
Tax should be the same but insurance will go up accordingly.  When you receive the V5 it'll have the rrelevant boxes to fill out in regards of an engine swap.
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: F17BAD on 20 January 2013, 20:14
You have to send log off to DVLA with proof of change (by a Garage - receipt of work done to complete the job) if you don't have this you have to get a document from a  garage verifying what engine is in their

this needs to include engine Identity number and engine capacity, also if its a derv or petrol

i now this coz we do this with all the cars we convert
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: churchygti on 20 January 2013, 20:16
You have to send log off to DVLA with proof of change (by a Garage - receipt of work done to complete the job) if you don't have this you have to get a document from a  garage verifying what engine is in their

this needs to include engine Identity number and engine capacity, also if its a derv or petrol

i now this coz we do this with all the cars we convert

Ok so i need to go to a garage who will confirm thats its a 2.0ltr 16v petrol and not a 1800 petrol on there letter head. thats not going to be easy lol
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: churchygti on 20 January 2013, 20:17
No wonder the previous owner didnt do it lol.
Well on a good note i have the engine number and details in the hand book from the engine conversion.
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: F17BAD on 20 January 2013, 20:21
Yes mate

make sure it includes info iv mentioned

you can fill in the engine ID yourself on the slip you send back, and i don't mean engine type code for example ABF..  you want the numerical code for this

it's the best route is this your taking, insurance void if you get caught out with the wrong engine installed
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: churchygti on 20 January 2013, 20:24
Yes mate

make sure it includes info iv mentioned

you can fill in the engine ID yourself on the slip you send back, and i don't mean engine type code for example ABF..  you want the numerical code for this

it's the best route is this your taking, insurance void if you get caught out with the wrong engine installed

no doubt im telling the insurance it has a gti engine so ill get it sorted correctly...
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: churchygti on 20 January 2013, 20:24
can the rac or aa do it.
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: F17BAD on 20 January 2013, 20:34
not sure mate, u could ask them
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: danny_p on 21 January 2013, 00:30
iirc  you don't need documented proof  if your increseing the capacity but do i reduceing it

eg you can go from a  1.8 20VT  to a 2.0 8v  without proof,   but going from a 2.0 8v to a 20vt would require proof of capacity reduction    as the dvla are stupid like that
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: Bellend on 22 January 2013, 09:48
iirc  you don't need documented proof  if your increseing the capacity but do i reduceing it

eg you can go from a  1.8 20VT  to a 2.0 8v  without proof,   but going from a 2.0 8v to a 20vt would require proof of capacity reduction    as the dvla are stupid like that

Just because if you go smaller, generally (especially before 2001 and below 1549cc) it's cheaper tax. So they'll make it harder for you.
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: F17BAD on 22 January 2013, 18:10
iirc  you don't need documented proof  if your increseing the capacity but do i reduceing it

eg you can go from a  1.8 20VT  to a 2.0 8v  without proof,   but going from a 2.0 8v to a 20vt would require proof of capacity reduction    as the dvla are stupid like that

Just because if you go smaller, generally (especially before 2001 and below 1549cc) it's cheaper tax. So they'll make it harder for you.

when i spoke to them on the phone, they require proof no matter which way you go
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: kev 1.8t on 22 January 2013, 21:18
i thought you had to send an engineers report if you do any engine changes? to prove t has been done correctly?
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: churchygti on 22 January 2013, 21:23
i thought you had to send an engineers report if you do any engine changes? to prove t has been done correctly?

Prob do but i got the car with the engine already in so just need some on to confirm this so someone who has a garage basically. Easy!!!
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: F17BAD on 22 January 2013, 22:47
no engineers report needed

but proof of engine needed as i have said earlier.. must be on a letterhead from a garage

if you have fitted engine yourself, you have to get a garage to write the information i said earlier on a letterhead

Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: danny_p on 23 January 2013, 00:39
in the past for fitting smaller engines all i used to do was send a copy of the recipt for the engine or the car the engine came out of.

tho for a long time now i've never sent any proof and not had any issues but thats the DVLA for you  every person there you ask will give you a diffrent answer
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: Golf_GT_TDI on 23 January 2013, 08:38
You have to send log off to DVLA with proof of change (by a Garage - receipt of work done to complete the job) if you don't have this you have to get a document from a  garage verifying what engine is in their

this needs to include engine Identity number and engine capacity, also if its a derv or petrol

i now this coz we do this with all the cars we convert

Out of interest if one was to fit a 1.9tdi lump into 2.8 v6 4motion, how would things lie then? 
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: opel on 24 January 2013, 23:20
Me and a lad was arguing at work he fitted a 2litre engine in his 1.2 shell and reckons he's told dvla but yet it still cheap tax of 66 pound and not the 139  fir six months I have to pay on my golf of the same year. I reckon he's not told them as he would b in my tax group wouldn't he
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: Bellend on 24 January 2013, 23:23
Me and a lad was arguing at work he fitted a 2litre engine in his 1.2 shell and reckons he's told dvla but yet it still cheap tax of 66 pound and not the 139  fir six months I have to pay on my golf of the same year. I reckon he's not told them as he would b in my tax group wouldn't he

Age of it?

If before 2001 then yes tax should be higher. If after most probably should be higher.
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: opel on 24 January 2013, 23:28
It a y reg so 2001
Title: Re: Log book change for engine conversion
Post by: Bellend on 24 January 2013, 23:31
It a y reg so 2001


Changeover year then. I have to admit I don't know how it works after 2001. Not sure if it goes on the engine or the shell.

Go here:
https://www.taxdisc.direct.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/app/enquiry?execution=e1s1

Put the reg in and the make and see if it's been delcared. I'd be interested to know if it has or not if the tax is the same.