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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: spirez on 09 July 2005, 17:57
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I've been reading quite a bit about 106 GTIs recently and everywhere i go i hear nothing but praise about their handling and nippyness.
Anyone came across one in a 16v or 8v? If so how did you fare? With 120bhp and possibly a fair bit lighter than a golf, i would think they would outdo an 8v?
Not so sure about the 16v though?
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Wife used to own a Saxo VTR and while my 8V is quicker in a straight line, I am pretty sure that the Saxo would cream it through the twisty stuff. Add the better handling of the 106 and extra power, and I fear only a well sorted valver would come out on top.
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valver would eat it all day long, straights and twisties, 8vs are a bit reluctant and the pug would beat it.
On the other hand, the pug is more likely to rust away within a few years where as the vw will be just as strong in years to come.
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valver would eat it all day long,
Bwahahahahahahaha, thats the funniest thing i have read all day long......
Look, 106 gti - 120bhp, weight approx 900kg, and the golf 16v, 139bhp, weight 930kg
this means that the power to weight ratio is
106gti: 133.333 bhp/tonne
16gti: 149.46 bhp/tonne
This means that in a straight line the golf would win, no questions asked...However, on the track, totally stock and i think that you would find that due to the small size a nibleness of the 106 it would win the race because the Golf is a larger/slightly higher car the handling charateristic would be poorer than the 106. Remember this is for totally stock cars.
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A mk3 would win anyday tho :tongue:
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I went head to head with one on a long straight piece of road namely the A5 in Buckinghamshire and it beat me to say around 60-70 quite comfortably but I totally wasted it between 80-136!!!! and the poor lad with his missus soon lost his smug grin.Bless!! And thats in my 1985 8v panza tank!! Long live German technology!!
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I went head to head with one on a long straight piece of road namely the A5 in Buckinghamshire and it beat me to say around 60-70 quite comfortably but I totally wasted it between 80-136!!!! and the poor lad with his missus soon lost his smug grin.Bless!! And thats in my 1985 8v panza tank!! Long live German technology!!
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A mk3 would win anyday tho :tongue:
Along the thames....... :wink:
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I went head to head with one on a long straight piece of road namely the A5 in Buckinghamshire and it beat me to say around 60-70 quite comfortably but I totally wasted it between 80-136!!!! and the poor lad with his missus soon lost his smug grin.Bless!! And thats in my 1985 8v panza tank!! Long live German technology!!
136mph out of an 8v, bwahahahahahahahahah, thats the second funniest thing i have read today!!!
(unless it has been modified (warp engine out of the starship enterprise))
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Well its a fact Im affraid.......... :tongue:
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valver would eat it all day long,
Bwahahahahahahaha, thats the funniest thing i have read all day long......
Look, 106 gti - 120bhp, weight approx 900kg, and the golf 16v, 139bhp, weight 930kg
this means that the power to weight ratio is
106gti: 133.333 bhp/tonne
16gti:  149.46 bhp/tonne
This means that in a straight line the golf would win, no questions asked...However, on the track, totally stock and i think that you would find that due to the small size a nibleness of the 106 it would win the race because the Golf is a larger/slightly higher car the handling charateristic would be poorer than the 106. Remember this is for totally stock cars.
Erm, the 16v is not 930kgs. The original 16v is nearer 1000kgs and the later 16v is 1100kgs. (When i say later - you know those big bumpers everyone has - they weigh a ton).
(for ref VW Motoring Feb 87 has the "new" 16v at 970kgs or so).
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Well its a fact Im affraid.......... :tongue:
never check your speedo against a gps. it will only upset you.
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Well its a fact Im affraid.......... :tongue:
never check your speedo against a gps. it will only upset you.
i agree!!! :grin:
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I know  :cry: I can still try to convince myself though  :smiley: Its all ive got left  :tongue:
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tbh honest who gives a sh!t any peeennnaaarse can drive fast in a straight line! i think a well sorted slammed 106 would cane a golf on a track but it does depend who is behind the wheel.. when i imported some cars couple of years ago i was on the a12 and a 106 rallye came by the side of me (i later found it was on bodies and flowed up etc but thats not the point) i at this time was in an evo 6 tommi mak and from 60mph to about 90 he was with me and i was shocked to say the least.... these are quick cars but as slick pointed out they rust and fall to bits, and owning a golf in my eyes isnt about traffic light gp's its a way of life..
and standard 8v's do 112mph by the book so 130mph is good going!
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So using tinmans weights we have
139bhp, weight average 1035kg, 134.5bhp/tonne.
So the it will be a very close race in a straight line and round a track im pretty sure that the 106bgti will be quicker than the mk2gti.  We also have to remeber that the mk2 is now 15 years old and the 106 is a next generation car ( safety mods, etc) so therefore the 106 will be hitting the scrap heap soon :evil: :evil:
Also we all know that the 8v will be far quicker than both becasue of its substantially better torque at lower revs and superior speedo accuracy :tongue: :tongue:
/me puts away the catering sized poking stick
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Yeah my mk2's speedo is way out against my gps
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is the water from the thames interupting the signal....
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yeh well my 8v has 300bhp so there and id win so phuq off!!
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yeh well my 8v has 300bhp so there and id win so phuq off!!
My gl has 400bhp tho :grin:
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yeh and thats without the nos...
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yeh well my 8v has 300bhp so there and id win so phuq off!!
My gl has 400bhp tho :grin:
well my dads got 2million bhp :grin:
a golf can piss over a pug all day long in build quality. pugo's are just crap!
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my mates 106 has about 150 bhp and does 0-60 in the early 6's quite comfortably, but as they are 1.6 i could easily keep up with him after that on the dual carriageway. handling is pretty similar really between mine and his, we both got koni adjustables :laugh: the 106 will be better because of the weight factor only, get the golf to the same weight and im sure it would handle better :cool:
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my mates 106 has about 150 bhp and does 0-60 in the early 6's quite comfortably, but as they are 1.6 i could easily keep up with him after that on the dual carriageway. handling is pretty similar really between mine and his, we both got koni adjustables :laugh: the 106 will be better because of the weight factor only, get the golf to the same weight and im sure it would handle better :cool:
yeah but thats cos it visited the phirm. i will grant you that his is proper quick.
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Even if the pug is quicker, rather have a golf.... :grin:
Oh, and no car suffers from rust, after owning japanese cars pretty much all of my driving life, I've learned to call it a 'Lightweight honeycomb structure' :wink: :laugh:
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my rocco has 8 billion bhp I just have to find it first  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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107lb ft @ 5200 RPM
I think you will find that this is what hinders the 106's performance somewhat. :smiley:
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At the end of the day it's French and my valvers German, pug is all garlic onions and perfume and a girly car whereas a Golf is made of german blood sweat and tears find a willing pug driver and we'll have a race round a track and see who wins once my valver hits 4200 we're going back to the future, wastes most modern cars mx5 roadster, bmw 1 series, mini cooper s, mk3 16v golf and many others. It's not how fast it goes it's how you drive. even a transit van can beat a pug 106 gti if it's a nonce driving.
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......and owning a golf in my eyes isnt about traffic light gp's its a way of life..
Couldn't agree more
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At the end of the day it's French and my valvers German, pug is all garlic onions and perfume and a girly car whereas a Golf is made of german blood sweat and tears find a willing pug driver and we'll have a race round a track and see who wins once my valver hits 4200 we're going back to the future, wastes most modern cars mx5 roadster, bmw 1 series, mini cooper s, mk3 16v golf and many others. It's not how fast it goes it's how you drive. even a transit van can beat a pug 106 gti if it's a nonce driving.
Have you modded your engine at all?
Thanks for all the replies people. I think i've been sold on the idea of a valver anyway. Maybe i would like the feel of an 8v more but if i never drive one i'll never know! Anything's better than a 1.2 Clio though.
My mate's thinking of getting a 106 GTi and there's no way i could have him bragging about how easy he could beat me. Valver and a few choice mods should do the trick.
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yeh well my 8v has 300bhp so there and id win so phuq off!!
My gl has 400bhp tho :grin:
well my dads got 2million bhp :grin:
a golf can piss over a pug all day long in build quality. pugo's are just crap!
Well i got the auto electrician to solder me a flux capacitor in at the weekend while he was fixing the ignition relay so now i can beat you all by traveling in time to the finish line! :grin:
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i've got a 106 gti with a few choice mods, and i'm thinking of getting a mk2 8v. I should know the difference in the next day or 2 after a test drive of 8v. I'll let ya all know what the differences feel like
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Hey everyone, just joined up having recently purchased a mk2 16v. I've spent the past 3 years or so with pugs one of them being a 106gti. Ok on paper they don't look much but to drive they are as quick as a 16v. At an estimate I'd say 0-60 the 106 would win but then the golf will pull away. Handling, the 106 wins hands down though.
I've found the build quality of pugs a lot to be desired with pin dents galore down the doors and on any other panel you touch. That said though I've never had one with rust problems which I have noticed with VWs.
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Hey everyone, just joined up having recently purchased a mk2 16v. I've spent the past 3 years or so with pugs one of them being a 106gti. Ok on paper they don't look much but to drive they are as quick as a 16v. At an estimate I'd say 0-60 the 106 would win but then the golf will pull away. Handling, the 106 wins hands down though.
I've found the build quality of pugs a lot to be desired with pin dents galore down the doors and on any other panel you touch. That said though I've never had one with rust problems which I have noticed with VWs.
That's because kitchen foil doesn't rust :wink: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:(does it :huh:)
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just to add my 2 penneth!
Just recently blew a boy-racer and his chick away in my '90 16 valver with 125K on the clock. He was drivin his 206 GTi like an asshole, right up my ass so I just floored it and he couldn't keep up. In the end I let him catch up cos I don't aggree with driving at 100mph on local A roads!
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. That said though I've never had one with rust problems which I have noticed with VWs.
I'm guessing most mk2 golfs a fair bit older than most 106 gti's though. That said, i have no idea when the first 106 gti's were produced. My valver is 13 yrs old & has 2 very small specs of rust. Can't imagine many pugs lasting that long :rolleyes:
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My 90 Valver has Jamex Suspension,Strut Brace,Uprated engine mounts and Bushes.On the engine side it has a TSR head with highlift cams and a Milltek Zorst.I regularly go to track days @ Donnington and can never remember seeing a pug 106 on the track,perhaps thats because there isn't many girls interested in trackdays. :grin:
All I ever do @ Donno is overtake richboys in there 54 plate scoobys because they do not know how to drive them.Anyone can put there foot down in a straight line,alot of people talk of driving a fast car but can they drive a car fast. :wink:
Swadnod(overtaking is a way of life).
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It's not all all beating another car, real golf owners now this :) It's all about having no knuckles and nails full of oil! :grin:
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It's not all all beating another car, real golf owners now this :) It's all about having no knuckles and nails full of oil! :grin:
so true, o very very true......although i avoided all work on my old golf at all cost as i had no money...
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Well its a fact Im affraid.......... :tongue:
yer :laugh:
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my 2 pence...
right i had a gti 8v and last year when i was a wee bit happy on the throttle i hit a telegraph pole at over 70mph.
to be honest the front of the golf was f***ed no battery couldnt find it anywhere i hit the pole dead centre splitting the engine in half :laugh: spun 5 or 6 times no wheels on the front???my bird had no seatbelt on headbutted the window and it didnt smash?! come to a stop in a wall and after all this we both walked out of the car uninjured well she had to go to hospital for concusion but i was a ok
could you say the same for a sardine tin
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I have owned both 8 and 16 valvers and I would say that there a far better car than the 106 gti. 106 gti are for wee boys that think there cool. The first day I got my 8v I raced one and I overtook it at about 70. I was very dissapointed and I think they are overated especially by my mates who are into pugs. The fact is how many 106 gti's will you see driving about in 10 years? Very Few!
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Here Here Stevy..
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I'd be woried bits would fall of the Pug when driven hard / over bumps ! :shocked:
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I'd be woried bits would fall of the Pug when driven hard / over bumps ! :shocked:
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Thats why 106's are faster than golfs, as they accellerate buts fall off making them lighter and lighter and as we all know it's all bout power to weight! :grin: :laugh:
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and as we all know it's all bout power to weight! :grin: :laugh:
oh no its not, as i was told by a certain member of this place over and over, the mk3 has a more powerful engine therfore is the faster car....... :undecided: :undecided:
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back to the question.
I've never had a problem dealing with 106 gti's :evil:
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You wouldn't tho would you dizzy!!! Pugs are poo as are renaults and citreons as they are French nuff said! mk3's are bloaters anyway santa pod proved that!!!!
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^^ please explain? :smiley:
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Last RWYB I went to before Bugjam there were some guys there with 8 valve, 16 valve and VR6 mk 2 + 3 golfs all as standard as each other and an immense battle started all swapping cars and stuff and in the end mk2 was faster in every version by about 1 second. good watching and settled a few grudges!