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General => General discussion => Topic started by: MS1COYS on 26 August 2012, 22:30
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I was truly blessed this afternoon as I was treated to a ride in an Integra Type R. My next door neighbour came out and started nattering to me whilst I was cleaning the Golf and we got talking about tuning. He asked lots of inquisitive questions about the car and seemed genuinely impressed.
After some twenty minutes he invited me to come and see his 'pride and joy'. As we walked round the back of his property toward the garage, I couldn't help but think it would be some old classic car or even a boat. I'll make you aware at this point that my neighbour is over sixty years old and looks older still.
When he pulled open the big, half rotten, wooden shutter I couldnt believe my eyes. There it was in all it's rather ugly, square glory. A pristine alpine white Integra. It was absolutely mint, not a single mark on it. For a thirteen year old car I was truly impressed.
David (the neighbour) showed me inside the rather bare cabin and explained that the car had only six thousand miles from new. :laugh: He also explained that his son, who was an engineer for a division called Mugen Honda, had modified the car with mostly prototype parts as a birthday present for him some 10 years ago.
The end result, a Sunday play thing that produced 290bhp, 240lbft and weighed just above 1000 kilos. 0-60mph in 4.2 seconds.
David offered to take me out in the car and I duly accepted without hesitation. After a rather sedate demonstration he asked me if I wanted a go. Yet again I obliged happily. I drove for what seemed like only five minutes although it was actually closer to an hour and i ended up obliterating some half a tank of petrol.
David was egging me along and I just couldn't resist, the driving experience was sublime and I couldn't stop smiling, it made my Golf seem lethargic by comparison and far less alive. It definitely wasn't as torquey as the Golf from 3,000rpm to 6,000rpm, but everywhere else in the rev range, it pissed all over it.
I couldn't believe my luck and will happily admit this is the best car I've ever driven. Big up David. Big up his son. And big up Honda for producing a monumentally brutal and exhilarating masterpiece.
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This was a DC2 ITR?
I waited nearly a year for mine back in 1999.
Sublime drivers cars.
I also had several Mugen bits on mine...and those power and torque fogures seem a bit...high?
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brilliant cars, supposedly the best handling fwd's ever made. I bet the extra 100bhp was nice :laugh:
I maybe doing a few laps in one at cadwell next month, its a boggo std one though
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It had a professionally produced brochure from Honda, with those figures. So one can only presume it's correct. I could have sworn he said it was the revised version so maybe it was a DC2? I don't know what that is if the truth be told :embarrassed:
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It had a professionally produced brochure from Honda, with those figures. So one can only presume it's correct. I could have sworn he said it was the revised version so maybe it was a DC2? I don't know what that is if the truth be told :embarrassed:
If it was 13 years old, it was a DC2.
Rectangular headlights rather then the 4 round lights of the UK ITRs?
My guess a JDM 98SpecR....the revision of the original 96SpecR (5 bolt hubs being the most obvious change)
If it was making that power and torque, it must have been full Touring Car spec, JTCC spec maybe?
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It had a professionally produced brochure from Honda, with those figures. So one can only presume it's correct. I could have sworn he said it was the revised version so maybe it was a DC2? I don't know what that is if the truth be told :embarrassed:
If it was 13 years old, it was a DC2.
Rectangular headlights rather then the 4 round lights of the UK ITRs?
My guess a JDM 98SpecR....the revision of the original 96SpecR (5 bolt hubs being the most obvious change)
Defo rectangular headlights. You seem very well informed. So you know more than me. :smiley:
If it was making that power and torque, it must have been full Touring Car spec, JTCC spec maybe?
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Defo rectangular headlights. You seem very well informed. So you know more than me. :smiley:
Like I said, I waited a year to get an ITR as I missed the boat for a 1997 UK spec ITR...so I had plenty of time to research them.
I got one of the first 1998 UK spec ITRs off the boat and spent 2 years tuning it and doing trackdays in it.
That was an utterly brilliant car. :grin:
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My brother has a integra 99' awesome cars always love it when get chance have a ride in it.. Very underated cars and the reliability of old hondas :cool:
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DC2 Imoport, guy i work with has one. f**king amazing.....
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Not to piss on any fires but i find these dont produce enough torque.. even this one thats full of custom bits is only at 240 lbft :undecided:
dunno if id believe the claimed 4.2 0-60 time either
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Well with his 190 standard one, lad i work with won the under 2.0 NA class at crail on the quarter mile. Won it afew times iirc, all about timing the v-tech imo
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Well with his 190 standard one, lad i work with won the under 2.0 NA class at crail on the quarter mile. Won it afew times iirc, all about timing the v-tech imo
i went up against a import civic which was modified heavily apparenty (the white ones with red seats)... completely showed him up at the lights (when mine was standard 225 bhp)
they are weak... Just my opinion tho :smiley:
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Its a proper drivers car, not a bloody drag car. High revving all motor engines are the nuts.
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I had the corolla T-Sport for a while, which was total bollox... That was 180 VVT. I do agree with you, but i think its how they are driven imo.
One of the people he bet was a modded DC2 import, match for match car, apart from the other guys was modded. revved stupid high etc etc... Still beat him though, just by timing VTEC properly and not nailing it off the line and not hitting VTEC in first.
For a NA car, not alot around NA and similar engine size that can keep up with it IMO. VTEC is getting phased out now anyway, due to tighter emissions, so HONDA are going to be building turbo petrol cars from now on. Which is a shame tbh
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i went up against a import civic which was modified heavily apparenty (the white ones with red seats)... completely showed him up at the lights (when mine was standard 225 bhp)
they are weak... Just my opinion tho :smiley:
Thats a 1.6L 189bhp engined civic against a 1.8t 225bhp golf which weigh about the same weight so Id be surprised if yours didn't piss all over it. Now put the same car on a tight track and it will blow yours away.
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i went up against a import civic which was modified heavily apparenty (the white ones with red seats)... completely showed him up at the lights (when mine was standard 225 bhp)
they are weak... Just my opinion tho :smiley:
Thats a 1.6L 189bhp engined civic against a 1.8t 225bhp golf which weigh about the same weight so Id be surprised if yours didn't piss all over it. Now put the same car on a tight track and it will blow yours away.
are they not a 1.8 with near 200 bhp
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EK9 Civic Type R is a 1.6L with 189bhp
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and before the willy waving about people " street racing " gets out of hand, I thought I would just say hi :smiley:
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EK9 Civic Type R is a 1.6L with 189bhp
im thinkin of integra jdm :grin:
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One of the people he bet was a modded DC2 import, match for match car, apart from the other guys was modded. revved stupid high etc etc... Still beat him though, just by timing VTECH properly and not nailing it off the line and not hitting VTECH in first.
*Cough* VTEC *cough*
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189bhp is a hell of a lot from a 1.6 :shocked:
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Thats a 1.6L 189bhp engined civic against a 1.8t 225bhp golf which weigh about the same weight so Id be surprised if yours didn't piss all over it. Now put the same car on a tight track and it will blow yours away.
Put it, or an ITR, on a winding road and watch it piss all over the Mk3 too.
The 'proper' CTRs and ITRs brake and corner like nothing else I've driven...just sublime.
Tiring, when you aren't in the mood...but incredible when you are.
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189bhp is a hell of a lot from a 1.6 :shocked:
JDM EK9 CTR also had a very long 2nd gear to get to 60 MPH in under 6 seconds...quicker than a ITR...but the closer gearing of the ITR and slightly more torque has the ITR pulling back and overhauling it by the time you get to 80 MPH.
Pop a Mugen ECU in (or re-map the Honda ECU), and either one will rev to 9200 all day long.
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Not to piss on any fires but i find these dont produce enough torque.. even this one thats full of custom bits is only at 240 lbft :undecided:
dunno if id believe the claimed 4.2 0-60 time either
Well I drove the beast and was constantly making comparisons between it and my Golf. In a Word, I was trying to convince myself it wasn't any quicker than my Golf....I was f**king dreaming! My car is good for 0-60 in about 5.3 seconds and this Integra felt every bit a second quicker than my lump, easily so in fact!
A sublime track car :laugh:
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One of the people he bet was a modded DC2 import, match for match car, apart from the other guys was modded. revved stupid high etc etc... Still beat him though, just by timing VTECH properly and not nailing it off the line and not hitting VTECH in first.
*Cough* VTEC *cough*
Haha ooops. Not that it actually matters haha...
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One of the people he bet was a modded DC2 import, match for match car, apart from the other guys was modded. revved stupid high etc etc... Still beat him though, just by timing VTECH properly and not nailing it off the line and not hitting VTECH in first.
*Cough* VTEC *cough*
Haha ooops. Not that it actually matters haha...
It would if you accidentally bought a childrens electronic story book.
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One of the people he bet was a modded DC2 import, match for match car, apart from the other guys was modded. revved stupid high etc etc... Still beat him though, just by timing VTECH properly and not nailing it off the line and not hitting VTECH in first.
*Cough* VTEC *cough*
Haha ooops. Not that it actually matters haha...
It would if you accidentally bought a childrens electronic story book.
Brilliant. :grin:
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One of the people he bet was a modded DC2 import, match for match car, apart from the other guys was modded. revved stupid high etc etc... Still beat him though, just by timing VTECH properly and not nailing it off the line and not hitting VTECH in first.
*Cough* VTEC *cough*
Haha ooops. Not that it actually matters haha...
It would if you accidentally bought a childrens electronic story book.
Hahahahaha :grin:
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Thats a 1.6L 189bhp engined civic against a 1.8t 225bhp golf which weigh about the same weight so Id be surprised if yours didn't piss all over it. Now put the same car on a tight track and it will blow yours away.
Put it, or an ITR, on a winding road and watch it piss all over the Mk3 too.
it would have no chance now im afraid LOL. audi RS2 turbo, wavetrac diff and modified ratios
in a different league now.. no matter what you might think. it really is
i never liked the integra, i only really liked those original Type R civics in white.. still do but it was pretty slow TBH.. and that kind of made me feel a bit let down after always thinking they were brutal
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it would have no chance now im afraid LOL. audi RS2 turbo, wavetrac diff and modified ratios
in a different league now.. no matter what you might think. it really is
So you are suggesting that a big power engine in one of the sh!ttest chassis VW has ever made (OK...2ns sh!ttest...the FWD Mk4 was worse), will be a match for the finest FWD chassis ever produced down a backroad?
I'm aware of your power, diff and gearing...however, the ITR has a better chassis. Fact.
It also has a LSD and close gearing to counter the low torque.
I'm not arguing your Mk3 won't out accelerate it...but stick with it down a twisty road?
It must be the bestest Mk3 ever...because mine wouldn't know which way the ITR went...neither would my S3, Mk6 GTI, or any other car I've owned.
You simply can't make a McPherson strut/twist beam Mk3 corner like a double wishbone all round, motorsport tweaked Integra.
No matter how much you throw at it or what you bolt on.
You just can't.
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Brads mk3 only races from the traffic lights thats why it beats all these stupidly fast cars...
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If i wanted a car that could out handle anything.. the money would be on a Evo not a civic or intergra...
alot is down t the driver too.. id give it a good go. not saying the mk3 is the best handling car coz we all know that would be laughable..
out and out performance.. the hondas would have zero chance.. and thats all im saying. i dont track my car so who gives a sh!te anyhow :grin:
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If i wanted a car that could out handle anything.. the money would be on a Evo not a civic or intergra...
alot is down t the driver too.. id give it a good go. not saying the mk3 is the best handling car coz we all know that would be laughable..
out and out performance.. the hondas would have zero chance.. and thats all im saying. i dont track my car so who gives a sh!te anyhow :grin:
What figures is your Gti running at dude? And how much does it weigh? It sounds impressive.... :shocked:
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I didn't mention the track.
Having owned both a standard ITR and a modified Mk3...I'd give it 6 corners before you couldn't see which way it went down a backroad...assuming neither driver is a complete muppet.
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I didn't mention the track.
Having owned both a standard ITR and a modified Mk3...I'd give it 6 corners before you couldn't see which way it went down a backroad...assuming neither driver is a complete muppet.
This is going nowhere dude. F17 BAD has already stated he doesn't track his car and only drags. :undecided:
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MS1COYS, Its around the 330 -350 BHP mark
fully forged bottom end, revs past 7k and keeps going.. pretty mental mate.. need to get it on the rollers to see what Torque is now but it was running 300ibft with the old small turbo and old map.. now has the MTM map and full big turbo upgrade which uses the Porsche tweaked Audi RS2 turbo.. it feels about twice as fast as it did with the standard turbo
not every day you come across a 5 door mk3 GTI that can move like this anyhow, but thats half the fun :laugh:
Ess three, yours was no where near like mine, but i hear you.. just dont base your mk3 as mine :wink:
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I didn't mention the track.
Having owned both a standard ITR and a modified Mk3...I'd give it 6 corners before you couldn't see which way it went down a backroad...assuming neither driver is a complete muppet.
This is going nowhere dude. F17 BAD has already stated he doesn't track his car and only drags. :undecided:
...for the second time...I never mentioned the track.
I am referring to road driving, road cars, backROADS.
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I didn't mention the track.
Having owned both a standard ITR and a modified Mk3...I'd give it 6 corners before you couldn't see which way it went down a backroad...assuming neither driver is a complete muppet.
This is going nowhere dude. F17 BAD has already stated he doesn't track his car and only drags. :undecided:
...for the second time...I never mentioned the track.
I am referring to road driving, road cars, backROADS.
LOL
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If i wanted a car that could out handle anything.. the money would be on a Evo not a civic or intergra...
alot is down t the driver too.. id give it a good go. not saying the mk3 is the best handling car coz we all know that would be laughable..
out and out performance.. the hondas would have zero chance.. and thats all im saying. i dont track my car so who gives a sh!te anyhow :grin:
What figures is your Gti running at dude? And how much does it weigh? It sounds impressive.... :shocked:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=79957.0
There you go read the build thread, it's a mk3 education.. :smiley:
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MS1COYS, Its around the 330 -350 BHP mark
fully forged bottom end, revs past 7k and keeps going.. pretty mental mate.. need to get it on the rollers to see what Torque is now but it was running 300ibft with the old small turbo and old map.. now has the MTM map and full big turbo upgrade which uses the Porsche tweaked Audi RS2 turbo.. it feels about twice as fast as it did with the standard turbo
not every day you come across a 5 door mk3 GTI that can move like this anyhow, but thats half the fun :laugh:
Ess three, yours was no where near like mine, but i hear you.. just dont base your mk3 as mine :wink:
What does it weigh dude?
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Ess three, yours was no where near like mine, but i hear you.. just dont base your mk3 as mine :wink:
Well, power means absolutely NOTHING when cornering...so lets hear how you have made a Mk3 out corner an ITR?
You are right...mine is nowhere near yours...I'll wager it's streets ahead on the chassis...and it still couldn't look at an ITR.
I have never suggested an ITR will out accellerate your Mk3...just run rings round it on the corners...like it does mine.
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There's a lot of cock measuring going on here.
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There's a lot of cock measuring going on here.
Nope...there is delusional thinking going on though.
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Ess three, yours was no where near like mine, but i hear you.. just dont base your mk3 as mine :wink:
Well, power means absolutely NOTHING when cornering...so lets hear how you have made a Mk3 out corner an ITR?
You are right...mine is nowhere near yours...I'll wager it's streets ahead on the chassis...and it still couldn't look at an ITR.
I have never suggested an ITR will out accellerate your Mk3...just run rings round it on the corners...like it does mine.
why is it streets ahead on the chassis ? why you so bitter towards another high spec mk3 ? ? ?
dont let this stuff get to you man its not a contest!!
long and short of it is that i never built it to be the best of anything.. just did it coz i wanted to and it was fun doing so.. as is driving it.. its fast, i think it handles well enough (to put a huge grin on my face) and thats good enough for me
its never gonna be as good handling as some other cars, but anything FWD aint gonna be much better, especially not with low torque figures
driving my mk3 puts a huge grin on my face everytime i drive it.. thats all i want.. f**k everything else or anyone elses thoughts on it :smiley:
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There's a lot of cock measuring going on here.
I'd just watch from the sidelines mate, its safer...
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There's a lot of cock measuring going on here.
I'd just watch from the sidelines mate, its safer...
I'm use to that, from my dogging days.
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why is it streets ahead on the chassis ? why you so bitter towards another high spec mk3 ? ? ?
Well, I suspect in 16 years of tweaking and developing, I'm probably a bit firther on in the chassis department. I may be wrong. Who really cares?
But I know I can't look at an ITR.
I owned one...same driver...I know what they are capable of.
I'm intrigued to head how yours will keep up on the corners.
Please...do tell?
its never gonna be as good handling as some other cars, but anything FWD aint gonna be much better, especially not with low torque figures
Ever driven an ITR?
Several FWD cars are significanly ahead of the old Mk3. A Mk5/6 Golf for example...or a Megane, or a Clio...or an ITR.
Are you talking from experience or just theorising?
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Love ITRs, proper drivers cars. Driven a couple and like the MX5 they're just sublime on a good old british B road straight out of the box.
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why is it streets ahead on the chassis ? why you so bitter towards another high spec mk3 ? ? ?
Well, I suspect in 16 years of tweaking and developing, I'm probably a bit firther on in the chassis department. I may be wrong. Who really cares?
But I know I can't look at an ITR.
I owned one...same driver...I know what they are capable of.
I'm intrigued to head how yours will keep up on the corners.
Please...do tell?
its never gonna be as good handling as some other cars, but anything FWD aint gonna be much better, especially not with low torque figures
Ever driven an ITR?
Several FWD cars are significanly ahead of the old Mk3. A Mk5/6 Golf for example...or a Megane, or a Clio...or an ITR.
Are you talking from experience or just theorising?
yeah iv driven one before a UK car also driven same owners New shape civic type R (well not the very latest but the one before) which was Turboed
drive a mk6 golf everyday too, and yeah im confident enough with my golf 3 and its current set up
:smiley:
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There's a lot of cock measuring going on here.
I'd just watch from the sidelines mate, its safer...
I'm use to that, from my dogging days.
Way too much information... :grin:
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drive a mk6 golf everyday too, and yeah im confident enough with my golf 3 and its current set up
Do you think the Mk6 would leave your Mk3 down a twisty backroad?
Suspension/chassis wise...rather than power.
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There's a lot of cock measuring going on here.
I'd just watch from the sidelines mate, its safer...
I'm use to that, from my dogging days.
Way too much information... :grin:
was thinking that too :grin: :grin: ppl like you get locked up
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MS1COYS, Its around the 330 -350 BHP mark
fully forged bottom end, revs past 7k and keeps going.. pretty mental mate.. need to get it on the rollers to see what Torque is now but it was running 300ibft with the old small turbo and old map.. now has the MTM map and full big turbo upgrade which uses the Porsche tweaked Audi RS2 turbo.. it feels about twice as fast as it did with the standard turbo
not every day you come across a 5 door mk3 GTI that can move like this anyhow, but thats half the fun :laugh:
Ess three, yours was no where near like mine, but i hear you.. just dont base your mk3 as mine :wink:
I should imagine it would be a good drag between your motor and said Integra. A mk3 Gti weighs about 1300 kilos, so if you car is running at 350bhp, then bhp per tonne is 269.23. The Integra weighs 1005 kilos and produces 290bhp, a figure of 288.56bhp per tonne.
With an 8% advantage in the power to weight ratio of the two cars, the Integra should make up for the lack of torque in a drag against your monumental Gti. But it would be a classic contest for sure. :smiley:
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There's a lot of cock measuring going on here.
I'd just watch from the sidelines mate, its safer...
I'm use to that, from my dogging days.
Way too much information... :grin:
was thinking that too :grin: :grin: ppl like you get locked up
Throw away the keys....please! A bit of peace and quiet will do me nicely.
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I should imagine it would be a good drag between your motor and said Integra. A mk3 Gti weighs about 1300 kilos, so if you car is running at 350bhp, then bhp per tonne is 269.23. The Integra weighs 1005 kilos and produces 290bhp, a figure of 288.56bhp per tonne.
With an 8% advantage in the power to weight ratio of the two cars, the Integra should make up for the lack of torque in a drag against your monumental Gti. But it would be a classic contest for sure. :smiley:
You've not considered gearing or torque there...
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Well id rather not talk publicly about road races, but on a private bit of road (yes it was private)
we did a standing start test of the car, side by side with a 405 BHP Evo on a 2005 reg
was nothing in it what so ever upto 130.. then bothe at 3rd gear from 50 mph, the golf pulled away from the EVO
thats where we are at with it
a ITR would have no chance, its alll about how the power comes in, mine is top end similar to a ITR but i have Much much more of it
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I should imagine it would be a good drag between your motor and said Integra. A mk3 Gti weighs about 1300 kilos, so if you car is running at 350bhp, then bhp per tonne is 269.23. The Integra weighs 1005 kilos and produces 290bhp, a figure of 288.56bhp per tonne.
With an 8% advantage in the power to weight ratio of the two cars, the Integra should make up for the lack of torque in a drag against your monumental Gti. But it would be a classic contest for sure. :smiley:
You've not considered gearing or torque there...
THIS ^^^
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Well id rather not talk publicly about road races, but on a private bit of road (yes it was private)
we did a standing start test of the car, side by side with a 405 BHP Evo on a 2005 reg
was nothing in it what so ever upto 130.. then bothe at 3rd gear from 50 mph, the golf pulled away from the EVO
thats where we are at with it
a ITR would have no chance, its alll about how the power comes in, mine is top end similar to a ITR but i have Much much more of it
I don't doubt it for a minute...the Evo will be losing 100BHP+ in losses...you half that, plus you are significantly lighter.
But what about braking or cornering?
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Well id rather not talk publicly about road races, but on a private bit of road (yes it was private)
we did a standing start test of the car, side by side with a 405 BHP Evo on a 2005 reg
was nothing in it what so ever upto 130.. then bothe at 3rd gear from 50 mph, the golf pulled away from the EVO
thats where we are at with it
a ITR would have no chance, its alll about how the power comes in, mine is top end similar to a ITR but i have Much much more of it
I don't doubt it for a minute...the Evo will be losing 100BHP+ in losses...you half that, plus you are significantly lighter.
But what about braking or cornering?
Brads mk3 only races from the traffic lights thats why it beats all these stupidly fast cars...
:rolleyes: :lipsrsealed: :grin: :grin:
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breaking and cornering would go to Evo.. they are Epic cars out the box, im a massive fan. would own one of those.. they have it all
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breaking and cornering would go to Evo.. they are Epic cars out the box, im a massive fan. would own one of those.. they have it all
If a 200Kg heavier car would out brake and out corner the Mks...I'm betting a 200Kg lighter car would too.
A car like, say, the Integra Type-R? :evil:
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thats fair enough like
just those Evos have a right set up out the box dont they.. this one is the model with those little fins above the rear window.. real nice car.. was a good benchmark to test against as its similar in its power delivery etc
we both know a mk3 wont handle like a integra, not gonna argue that but its still fun, well i like how it handles anyhow.. its not a bad car for a 20 year old mk3 and the set up is the only one in the world so its kinda unique too which i like
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Tis like my mate Jon. He has 400+ bhp MK2 that is brutal is in a straight line but he prefers his 150bhp MX5 for a B road blast becsuse it's a more rewarding drive. He's now selling the Golf and going to boost the MX5 for the best of both worlds.
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thats fair enough like
just those Evos have a right set up out the box dont they.. this one is the model with those little fins above the rear window.. real nice car.. was a good benchmark to test against as its similar in its power delivery etc
we both know a mk3 wont handle like a integra, not gonna argue that but its still fun, well i like how it handles anyhow.. its not a bad car for a 20 year old mk3 and the set up is the only one in the world so its kinda unique too which i like
so was it an fq400 you were playin with :smiley:
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Having punted my Mk3, Mk6, ITR, tweaked S3 and C4S along the local backroads, the ITR stads out as being sublime.
Probably the lowerst power and torque of them all...but a chassis to die for...you could place it mm perfect, every time...and the lack of grunt made you work at the wheel.
I miss it...it was a sublime car.
That car...on this road = nirvana.
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z72/Ess_Three/Integra%20Type-R/Car9.jpg)
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thats fair enough like
just those Evos have a right set up out the box dont they.. this one is the model with those little fins above the rear window.. real nice car.. was a good benchmark to test against as its similar in its power delivery etc
we both know a mk3 wont handle like a integra, not gonna argue that but its still fun, well i like how it handles anyhow.. its not a bad car for a 20 year old mk3 and the set up is the only one in the world so its kinda unique too which i like
so was it an fq400 you were playin with :smiley:
it is the top one from that model yea.. fantastic car.
Ess Three, that road looks awesome where is that ?
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Ess_Three you have some of the best roads up there!
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thats fair enough like
just those Evos have a right set up out the box dont they.. this one is the model with those little fins above the rear window.. real nice car.. was a good benchmark to test against as its similar in its power delivery etc
we both know a mk3 wont handle like a integra, not gonna argue that but its still fun, well i like how it handles anyhow.. its not a bad car for a 20 year old mk3 and the set up is the only one in the world so its kinda unique too which i like
so was it an fq400 you were playin with :smiley:
it is the top one from that model yea.. fantastic car.
Ess Three, that road looks awesome where is that ?
thats the 1 an old fiat can out run due to turbo lag :grin: :grin: no wonder your mk3 won the 3rd gear run
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Having punted my Mk3, Mk6, ITR, tweaked S3 and C4S along the local backroads, the ITR stads out as being sublime.
Probably the lowerst power and torque of them all...but a chassis to die for...you could place it mm perfect, every time...and the lack of grunt made you work at the wheel.
I miss it...it was a sublime car.
That car...on this road = nirvana.
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z72/Ess_Three/Integra%20Type-R/Car9.jpg)
Wouldn't mind a blast on a 1098 on those bad ass roads :drool:
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he has done a few things to it, it was rolling at 50mph, his boost comes in at 4k, so does mine (well it kind of winds up from 3k but comes in brutal as f**k from 4k upwards)
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That's the Cockbridge to Tomintoul road, just outside Ballater on Royal Deeside....just past Corgarf Castle.
It heads over the Lecht ski resort - just over that hill.
Look familiar?
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z72/Ess_Three/Carrera%204S/DSCF1046.jpg)
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he has done a few things to it, it was rolling at 50mph, his boost comes in at 4k, so does mine (well it kind of winds up from 3k but comes in brutal as f**k from 4k upwards)
an got an extra 5bhp from it :undecided:
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That's the Cockbridge to Tomintoul road, just outside Ballater on Royal Deeside....just past Corgarf Castle.
It heads over the Lecht ski resort - just over that hill.
Look familiar?
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z72/Ess_Three/Carrera%204S/DSCF1046.jpg)
Wouldn't like to be on a 1098 in those conditions. Bad ass winding mother f**k*rs covered in sheet ice :undecided:
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he has done a few things to it, it was rolling at 50mph, his boost comes in at 4k, so does mine (well it kind of winds up from 3k but comes in brutal as f**k from 4k upwards)
an got an extra 5bhp from it :undecided:
its a Fq 320 modified :wink:
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Wouldn't like to be on a 1098 in those conditions. Bad ass winding mother f**k*rs covered in sheet ice :undecided:
What? The white stuff adds to the fun!
We must be made of sterner stuff up north!
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z72/Ess_Three/Carrera%204S/11-02-06_1407.jpg)
The 964 had to get towed out of a ditch over Glenshee that day :grin:
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Anyway...back on topic...
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That's the Cockbridge to Tomintoul road, just outside Ballater on Royal Deeside....just past Corgarf Castle.
It heads over the Lecht ski resort - just over that hill.
Look familiar?
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z72/Ess_Three/Carrera%204S/DSCF1046.jpg)
MMMMmmmm 996.2 C4 with GT3 kit. I heart that!
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MMMMmmmm 996.2 C4 with GT3 kit. I heart that!
V-maxxed in Europe, Reims, Nurburgring, donuts in the Lech car park in the snow...oh the memories!
Again...not the fastest...but very rewarding. :grin:
With the sports exhaust....it was positively rude! :evil:
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he has done a few things to it, it was rolling at 50mph, his boost comes in at 4k, so does mine (well it kind of winds up from 3k but comes in brutal as f**k from 4k upwards)
an got an extra 5bhp from it :undecided:
its a Fq 320 modified :wink:
:grin: :grin: pal has a 5rs running 600bhp an agree with you they are 1 of the best cars out the box
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:grin: :grin: pal has a 5rs running 600bhp an agree with you they are 1 of the best cars out the box
RS with the shorter gearing?
Insane :grin: :grin:
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I considered a Evo.. its still on the list of cars id like to own.. its just the fuel and servic intervals that worry me with them
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:grin: :grin: pal has a 5rs running 600bhp an agree with you they are 1 of the best cars out the box
RS with the shorter gearing?
Insane :grin: :grin:
has just put another box in it that cost im loads :grin: couple of pict of it in his facebook
http://www.facebook.com/chameleon.metalcoatings?sk=photos
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has just put another box in it that cost im loads :grin: couple of pict of it in his facebook
http://www.facebook.com/chameleon.metalcoatings?sk=photos
Nice!
When Evos were at their most outrageous looking :grin:
It looks proper.
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has just put another box in it that cost im loads :grin: couple of pict of it in his facebook
http://www.facebook.com/chameleon.metalcoatings?sk=photos
Nice!
When Evos were at their most outrageous looking :grin:
It looks proper.
goes proper too :grin: :grin: enjoyed driving it back from hq performance after russ worked his magic
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Russ...ex Wallace Performance?
I was in Michael Mahoney's (The owner of Wallace Performance) Evo making 680+ HP...utterly bunkers.
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Russ...ex Wallace Performance?
I was in Michael Mahoney's (The owner of Wallace Performance) Evo making 680+ HP...utterly bunkers.
this 1 have saw it at knockhill a few times :evil: :evil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpIQjSQArX0
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I dont understand why i didnt buy a mk3!! :grin:
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I'd track it but I'm concerned about stone chips or some numpty going into me.
Agree tho bet it is a lot of fun
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To be fair there are less chances of stone chips on a trackday than using it on the road.
As for people hitting you, that is also less likely than on the road. For a start there's no on coming traffic on a track.
The most likely cause of damage will be running out of talent and binning it into the armco, gravel trap or soem cones depending on where the trackday is. In all the years I've been doing them I've never hit anything and only left the track a couple of time that resulted in bouncing across some grass and having to clean clods of turf off my exhaust.
The idea of trackdays is not to set the fastest time you can (after all timing is banned, that's what expensive test days are for). The idea is to be able to rag your car in a safe and controlled environment where you can explore the limit sof yourself and your car. In A FWD Golf the most th emost likely outcomes of running out of talent will be:
* Out braking yourself and running wide off a corner
* Lift off oversteer and spinning out
* Understeering off the circuit
As long as you go on a day with plenty of experienced people no one minds you pottering along at your own pace as long as you are polite and pull over to let quicker drivers past. I think where you'd have to be mind full is annoying people in the corners. There's nothing worse than a quick car hooning off infornt of you on the straights only to slow you down when you catch them back up through a series of bends and you have to back off. If you see people always catching you in the corners you just lift off on the next straight and let them pass.
Nick
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I'd deffo like to try it. Would have to take it steady on the first go
The car is certainly too fast to even get anywhere near its limits safely on the public highway
Puts a lot of stress on the car tho don't it ? This is a daily driver for me do t forget
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going to start taking mine to track days soon along with my Dad's mgbgt or 944 turbo, cant wait :evil: both of us have been working on them for the past year or so should be awesome once we are ready for some fun :grin:
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I'd deffo like to try it. Would have to take it steady on the first go
The car is certainly too fast to even get anywhere near its limits safely on the public highway
Puts a lot of stress on the car tho don't it ? This is a daily driver for me do t forget
Give it a go mate, just one day wont kill it and i suspect you've re-engineered it to be pretty tough anyway and you only have to drive as hard as you want to.
I reckon you'd not only find out wether all your hard work was worth it but you might silence a few doubters in the process.. :wink:
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I'd deffo like to try it. Would have to take it steady on the first go
The car is certainly too fast to even get anywhere near its limits safely on the public highway
Puts a lot of stress on the car tho don't it ? This is a daily driver for me do t forget
Well unless you live on the IOM isnt it pointless making your already impressive engine even more powerful?
You obviously speed to an extent that you can have your car/license taken off you and a track you can have all the safe fun you want - whilst using your engine to the full potential... which why else would you make it 300brake + :evil:
Ps ITR rule :grin:
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I read somewhere today that since Honda started manufacturing the Vtec, they've not had a single engine failure! Bloody Japs....gotta love em!
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i believe its not had a failure in the vtec system.
wouldnt mind ago in a dc2 though to see if they live up to the hype!
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i believe its not had a failure in the vtec system.
wouldnt mind ago in a dc2 though to see if they live up to the hype!
Mate they're f**king mega, best car I've ever driven. Better than Evo's, Scooby's, the works!
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There's some real 'pub' talk going on in here about the ITR's :wink:
Another ex owner here having had a Mugen modified JDM 96 spec DC2 and also the newer DC5.
The lightest model is the '96 spec DC2 with all delete options ticked...no abs/ac/radio/parcel shelf/clock which weighs in at 1060kgs, the UK model is a touch heavier at just over 1100kgs.
As for 290bhp, highly unlikely to be fair, you would really need to be looking at forced induction to get to those types of numbers...they seem to top out around 230ish with people having spent literally thousands and thousands of pounds on Mugen/Spoon and any other number of tuning houses.
They are a marmite car to drive as they are low on torque as has been mentioned but if you can keep them in VTEC they fly and are very rewarding to drive as has already been mentioned. Most of the appeal is that they can be driven at 95% everywhere as they are very easy to drive fast and exploit the chassis, they make an average driver like look Ayrton Senna :grin:
Definitely worth a drive if the opportunity is available, sadly the majority are now suffering at the hands of the dreaded tin worm and need some TLC, plus the market is full of absolute nails which have been badly maintained or badly modified undoing a lot of the development Honda put into the cars.
Absolutely adored mine, with the only car giving a similar amount of driver pleasure and excitement being my Clio Williams 1.
Straight line drags I am sure even some modern high powered diesels would give them a good run for their money, but find the twisties and they are a joy to drive, would love another at some point.