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Title: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 01 August 2012, 08:48
Been ordered with Awesome GTI for over a month and they rang me today to say its going to be............wait for it 6 WEEKS!

Apparently THS do not have all the parts required to make the kit in stock  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC
Post by: GTi_James on 01 August 2012, 08:57
is it me or are Awesome GTi a bit slack in its warehouse department?
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 01 August 2012, 09:05
I wouldnt be as bothered but they agreed to fit for a really good cost and I paid a £200 deposit upfront
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: oceanic-green on 01 August 2012, 09:12
you can order one from here at a really good price http://fr-rtuning-shop.co.uk/index.php?_a=product&product_id=1005
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: jamie1989 on 01 August 2012, 09:14
Thats a good price above.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 01 August 2012, 09:18
you can order one from here at a really good price http://fr-rtuning-shop.co.uk/index.php?_a=product&product_id=1005

Yeah but thats ex VAT with VAT its again close to £500
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: oceanic-green on 01 August 2012, 09:30
you can order one from here at a really good price http://fr-rtuning-shop.co.uk/index.php?_a=product&product_id=1005

Yeah but thats ex VAT with VAT its again close to £500

Still £25 cheaper than awesome, unless awesome's price includes fitting
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: jamie1989 on 01 August 2012, 09:31
Still a good price dude.

I cant tell you enough how good the fit is,
After a remap spending the £500 will justify spending that much on it.

Alternatively you could spend £100 on a good core then take the car to a good exhuast place I was going to take mine to http://www.pro-speedexhausts.com/ and Charlie (the boss) said he could do me a good custom intercooler pipe setup for £200 fitted.

Thats £300 and you could have it the way you want it as its custom.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 01 August 2012, 10:24
You could always go the Wellycooler route :wink:
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=350372
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/a3-s3-forum-8l-chassis/150098-wellycooler-fitting.html
Not bad for around£200 and been getting very good results on SCN and ASN.  :smiley:
I'll obviously need different pipe work but if you look at Prawns build thread I think the details of pipe work are on there for you wrong way round inlet manifolds :grin:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 01 August 2012, 12:41
Still a good price dude.

I cant tell you enough how good the fit is,
After a remap spending the £500 will justify spending that much on it.

Alternatively you could spend £100 on a good core then take the car to a good exhuast place I was going to take mine to http://www.pro-speedexhausts.com/ and Charlie (the boss) said he could do me a good custom intercooler pipe setup for £200 fitted.

Thats £300 and you could have it the way you want it as its custom.

I already have the stage 1 remap, I am going stage 2 but I wanted it to be done this side of christmas and with awesome telling me 4 weeks ago it'll be here in 2-3 weeks and then them calling today and saying 6 weeks imagine how annoyed I am  :angry:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: jamie1989 on 01 August 2012, 12:50
ouchh...
I waited around and got lucky with Chris's THS intercooler  :cool: haha
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 01 August 2012, 12:55
Awesome GTI more like mediocre GIT  :grin:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: DunnDeal12 on 01 August 2012, 13:22
like i said before dalo get a s3/TT/LCR inlet manifold + ko4 charge pipe then fit a toyo sports intercooler the pipe work is better and no chopping of the front bumper is needed. just a little cutting of the crash bar the same as the THS.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUDI-TT-S3-LEON-CUPRA-R-BAM-AMK-1-8T-20V-TURBO-225-BHP-INLET-MANIFOLD-Polished-/170886591861?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27c9a27575#ht_500wt_1413
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-TT-225-Mk1-K04-KO4-turbo-charge-pipe-S3-BAM-APX-Turbo-Cupra-R-/220967067991?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3372a9e157#ht_768wt_1163

use this link for the FMIC parts you need
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=350372
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: DunnDeal12 on 01 August 2012, 13:26
much cheaper than a ths or forge FMIC
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 01 August 2012, 17:09
It's a load of messing around though isnt it, having to extend the wiring for the Throttle body being on the wrong side and all that  :undecided:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: DunnDeal12 on 01 August 2012, 18:22
It's a load of messing around though isnt it, having to extend the wiring for the Throttle body being on the wrong side and all that  :undecided:

no you don't need to extend the throttle control wiring as the wiring loom goes that way, all you need do is separate it from the loom.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 01 August 2012, 19:10
As DunnDeal12 said the Wellycooler is the way forward for a fraction of the price. Two of us posting the same link in one thread can't be wrong. I'm just buying all the parts needed to fit one. Alot of the true 300bhp K04 and 300bhp+ hybrid K04'd lads run these coolers and rave about them. Massive reductions and only 5 psi drop across the core you can't go wrong at twice the price!!!
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: dom on 01 August 2012, 19:25
As DunnDeal12 said the Wellycooler is the way forward for a fraction of the price. Two of us posting the same link in one thread can't be wrong. I'm just buying all the parts needed to fit one. Alot of the true 300bhp K04 and 300bhp+ hybrid K04'd lads run these coolers and rave about them. Massive reductions and only 5 psi drop across the core you can't go wrong at twice the price!!!

When you put yours together take lots of pictures and write it up, I'm sure lots of people will appreciate it :wink:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 01 August 2012, 20:08
Will do hopefully I'll get around to it early September :laugh: as I won't have any time to do it till then. There is tons of info especially on ASN though if you can't wait.   
Here is a good guild from SCN
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=353162#
Hope it helps.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: oceanic-green on 02 August 2012, 08:10

I already have the stage 1 remap, I am going stage 2 but I wanted it to be done this side of christmas and with awesome telling me 4 weeks ago it'll be here in 2-3 weeks and then them calling today and saying 6 weeks imagine how annoyed I am  :angry:

that would pi-s me off too. There is not much worse for car modders than having the money for something, and paying for it, and not being able to receive it!!
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 02 August 2012, 14:55
Just bought this and the associated pipe work very exited!!!
http://www.toyosports.co.uk/fmic-ffront-mount-turbo-intercooler-type-b-600x300x76mm-8699-1041-p.asp
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: jamie1989 on 02 August 2012, 15:22
Custom pipework?
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: DunnDeal12 on 02 August 2012, 16:03
Custom pipework?

nope all you need is this

Intercooler specs are 600 x 300 x 76mm http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FMIC-FFRONT-MOUNT-TURBO-INTERCOOLER-TYPE-B-600x300x76MM-/310228624694?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item483b112536#ht_674wt_1163

2 x 90 degree 76mm hard pipes with beaded ends. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/90-Degree-Alloy-Aluminium-Pipe-Bend-Elbow-Intercooler-Pipework-Air-Intake-/160658691823?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item25680116ef#ht_1832wt_1163

2 x 90 degree 76mm silicone elbows in your choice of colour - these will need adjusting to length during fitting. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/90-Degree-Silicone-Elbow-Bend-Hose-Silicon-Rubber-Coolant-Radiator-Pipe-Car-/330650756290?pt=UK_DIY_Materials_Plumbing_MJ&var=&hash=item4cfc5224c2#ht_1102wt_905

2 x 90 degree 76 - 63mm reducing silicone elbows in your choice of colour. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/90-Degree-Reducers-Silicone-Elbow-Bend-Hose-Silicone-Rubber-Coolant-Rad-Pipe-/270865046133?pt=UK_DIY_Materials_Plumbing_MJ&var=&hash=item3f10d09a75#ht_1102wt_905

2 x 63mm alloy joiners. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Metal-Alloy-Aluminium-Hose-Joiners-Pipe-Connectors-Silicone-Rubber-Select-Size-/270867577918?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item3f10f73c3e#ht_1126wt_905

2 x 76mm alloy joiners. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Metal-Alloy-Aluminium-Hose-Joiners-Pipe-Connectors-Silicone-Rubber-Select-Size-/270867577918?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item3f10f73c3e#ht_1126wt_905

1 x 76mm 250mm length of straight silicone hose in your choice of colour. This needs to be cut into 2 lengths of 125mm to go on the end tanks of the cooler. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-Meter-Straight-Silicone-Hose-Size-Colour-Choice-Roose-Motorsport-/251051638993?pt=UK_DIY_Materials_Plumbing_MJ&var=&hash=item3a73d800d1#ht_2300wt_1163

10 x 70 - 90mm jubilee clips http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/W4-Stainless-Steel-Zinc-Plated-Worm-Drive-Hose-Clips-Mikalor-ASH-Jubilee-/270925388819?pt=UK_DIY_Material_Nails_Fixing_MJ&var=&hash=item3f14695c13#ht_1102wt_905

2 x 50 - 70mm jubilee clips. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/W4-Stainless-Steel-Zinc-Plated-Worm-Drive-Hose-Clips-Mikalor-ASH-Jubilee-/270925388819?pt=UK_DIY_Material_Nails_Fixing_MJ&var=&hash=item3f14695c13#ht_1102wt_905
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: jamie1989 on 02 August 2012, 16:04
Awww I cant bloody use ebay on works computer  :sad:
Will check later lol
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: DunnDeal12 on 02 August 2012, 16:05
that better mate?
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: jamie1989 on 02 August 2012, 16:14
haha much better for me although I was being nosey thats all  :evil:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: DunnDeal12 on 02 August 2012, 16:17
haha much better for me although I was being nosey thats all  :evil:

cheeky lol also links provided
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 02 August 2012, 17:22
There is more than one way of doing it. The ASN boy use 90deg piping straight from the FMIC. On SCN they tend to use 45deg piping from the FMIC as forge do in there BIG race FMIC. You can also either use 76mm piping all the way to the map pipe and charge pipe then step it down. Or as I am use a 45deg 76mm to 63mm reducer from the FMIC and the 63 mm piping the rest of the way.
Here's the forge fitting instructions from forge http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/media/FMINTLCR.pdf
Going down to 63mm gives you much more space to refit the bumper cover and possibly fog lights.
Have a good read through the links posted and see which way you want to go. I would highly recommend reading the links!!!! :smiley:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: DunnDeal12 on 02 August 2012, 17:36
There is more than one way of doing it. The ASN boy use 90deg piping straight from the FMIC. On SCN they tend to use 45deg piping from the FMIC as forge do in there BIG race FMIC. You can also either use 76mm piping all the way to the map pipe and charge pipe then step it down. Or as I am use a 45deg 76mm to 63mm reducer from the FMIC and the 63 mm piping the rest of the way.
Here's the forge fitting instructions from forge http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/media/FMINTLCR.pdf
Going down to 63mm gives you much more space to refit the bumper cover and possibly fog lights.
Have a good read through the links posted and see which way you want to go. I would highly recommend reading the links!!!! :smiley:

golfs don't have lower fog lights!
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: jamie1989 on 02 August 2012, 17:37
Some do.
My mates PD130 has them.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 02 August 2012, 17:50
So you get the idea of what I'm rambling on about :laugh:  I have shamelessly stolen some photos from various threads. Sorry if I've stolen your picks!
This is the ASN way of doing it. 90 deg from the FMIC and 76 hosing which is reduced as late as possible.
 (http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt26/redbull2525/0b14689a.jpg)

Then the forge/SCN way of doing it with 45 deg from FMIC again reduced as late as possible but this time with hard pipes.
(http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt26/redbull2525/f3f7ab14.jpg)

Then reduced from the FMIC with 45deg piping and 63mm piping the rest of the way
(http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt26/redbull2525/259dd940.jpg)

Then hard piping reduced from 76mm to 63 mm straight from the FMIC.
(http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt26/redbull2525/aeb12827.jpg)

Like I said lots of different ways of doing the same thing! Have a look through the threads and see which way is best for you!
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Wazzzer on 02 August 2012, 17:59
Some do.
My mates PD130 has them.

aftermarket, they were never released with them from the factory :nerd:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: DunnDeal12 on 02 August 2012, 18:01
Some do.
My mates PD130 has them.

like wazzer says aftermarket :tongue: :smug:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: dom on 02 August 2012, 19:32
Have you got any pics of the above setup on a Mk4? I'm tempted by it but want the pipework discreet so I'd want to keep my grills in the bumper.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 02 August 2012, 20:56
my parts are on the way  :wink:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: dom on 02 August 2012, 20:59
my parts are on the way  :wink:

You doing it the way shown above?
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: jamie1989 on 02 August 2012, 21:00
woww never knew that they were after market.

You geeks  :grin:

Those intercoolers look awsome too
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 02 August 2012, 21:02
Im going to trial it different ways and see whats the best fit, I have ordered a K04 charge pipe and an LCR inlet manifold to make it easier though
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 02 August 2012, 21:06
Good lad!
I recived my 45 deg 76mm to 63mm reducer earlier. You can put your fist in the 76mm end, it's car porn! :laugh: :evil: :cool:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: mar_k on 02 August 2012, 21:10
So would an intercooler with 3" inlet/outlets be ok for around 250bhp or would it be overkill?

Would a smaller intercooler with 2.25" inlet/outlet be better suited?
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 02 August 2012, 21:24
I'm fitting one to my un mapped 210 LCR. I have been reasured they will make a difference and be worth while. Also the cost bugger all comparatively and it's future proofing.
This is a must read build thread
 http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/a3-s3-forum-8l-chassis/109831-prawns-a3-track-car-nurburgring-toy.html
Lots of mods on a A3 1.8t K03. From track prepping, Wellycooler fitting, K04 Hybride install, WMI install, R-Tech mapped and some great in car footage around the ring. Well worth a look and you guys will have a lot in common with it being a AGU code engine. 
The Wellycooler is the way forward  :wink:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: paultownsend on 02 August 2012, 21:30
I wish I had a DBW car. Would be so simpler to fit a home brew cooler with BAM charge pipe and right handed inlet.

I want the pipework to be hidden. But I can't afford a ths.  Has anyone done a 'wellycooler' type install in a fwd golf chassis?

I don't mind the 'toyosoorts' type routing over the gearbox. Does anyone have a shopping list? Ie x4 45' silicone bends. X4 90' metal bends...........

Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 02 August 2012, 21:31
The only thing I have forgot to mention is you'll need to get the inlet and outlet's of the toyo sports cooler beaded to stop the hoses piping off.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: DunnDeal12 on 02 August 2012, 21:38
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FMIC-FFRONT-MOUNT-TURBO-INTERCOOLER-600x300x76MM-IC5001-/200714376954?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2ebb8256fa#ht_920wt_1163
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: cullygti on 02 August 2012, 21:51
now i got a gen r32 front i may be in the market for a new cooler jamie you robbed me of the last one you &%$%^%"%  :grin:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: jamie1989 on 02 August 2012, 22:03
Haha I then went on and robbed Chris's  :lipsrsealed:

A nice front mount looks the dogz bollocks behind a jazz blue R32 bumper  :evil:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: paultownsend on 02 August 2012, 23:03
On what page of Prawns thread is the FMIC fitted? I can't see it
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 02 August 2012, 23:20
I don't no but it's all worth a read. I'll try and see if I canget some details from Prawn for you.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 03 August 2012, 13:00
So for this kit you are looking around £210 for all the parts needed  :wink:
all will be with me Monday but going to have to fit/ try and fit through the week / weekend.
I will do some pics of mine when all done  :smiley:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: DunnDeal12 on 03 August 2012, 15:15
So for this kit you are looking around £210 for all the parts needed  :wink:
all will be with me Monday but going to have to fit/ try and fit through the week / weekend.
I will do some pics of mine when all done  :smiley:

dalo sorry i couldnt pm you it keeps says error for some reason but looks like your all sorted now, looks like you goin have the first mk4 with the wellycooler.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: paultownsend on 03 August 2012, 15:49
@ dalo

dont be shy with what silicone/alloy hoses/joiners you ordered
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: rio_gti on 03 August 2012, 16:07
lol im still waitin on the size of the ths pipes.....

mainly the one that runs thru the crash bar how long the legs are!!!
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: DunnDeal12 on 03 August 2012, 16:41
lol im still waitin on the size of the ths pipes.....

mainly the one that runs thru the crash bar how long the legs are!!!

nothing runs through the crash bar on the wellycooler :wink:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: rio_gti on 03 August 2012, 16:52
wtf is a wellycooler??  :grin:  :embarassed:  :undecided:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: cullygti on 03 August 2012, 17:27
welly filled with ice silly  :grin:  :grin:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 03 August 2012, 18:25
wtf is a wellycooler??  :grin:  :embarassed:  :undecided:

LMFAO - read this post from start to finish
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 03 August 2012, 18:28
@ dalo

dont be shy with what silicone/alloy hoses/joiners you ordered

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=350372
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 03 August 2012, 20:51
wtf is a wellycooler??  :grin:  :embarassed:  :undecided:
The way forward lol.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: azzsmith on 03 August 2012, 23:50
Hi all,
Just bought a toyosports cooler (3" inlets and outlets) and was just wondering whether of not there is a pipework kit that I could buy for it?
I have a 99 agu.
Any help appreciated, azz.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: azzsmith on 04 August 2012, 12:41
Bullyboy,
Looks like you have bought the same cooler as me. Would you be king enough to tell me where you got your pipework from?
Was it a kit or did you buy all the bits needed? if so could you tell me what stuff I would need, Cheers
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 04 August 2012, 14:04
I got my info from these links, lots of good info. I'm also fitting an oil cooler at the same time
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=350372
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=353162#
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/media/FMINTLCR.pdf
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/a3-s3-forum-8l-chassis/150098-wellycooler-fitting.html
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/a3-s3-forum-8l-chassis/75425-ah-fab-ebay-forge-s3-fmic-image-heavy.html

Lots of different ways of doing the pipe work but don't forget my inlet manifold is on the other side to yours! Have a look at the photos I postedpin page 4 and you'll see what I mean. There is eBay links on the above threads to Mr silicon for ASH (sister company to forge) silicone hoses and alloy pipe work. I've read the above threads quite a few times so I know how to fit it and which way I want to go with the pipe work. But I'm not sure exactly which pipe work you'll need sorry. You could always sign up to Audi Sport net. There a good bunch and will help you out. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: azzsmith on 04 August 2012, 18:13
Thanks a lot for your help mate, really appreciate it  :smiley:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 05 August 2012, 11:11
How come everyone seems to be buying FMIC on here at the moment :laugh:?
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: azzsmith on 05 August 2012, 11:18
Must be a virus, we'v all caught it lol  :laugh:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Chris. on 05 August 2012, 12:22
How much do the pipes stick out on a mk4 bumper tho?

3" is a lot of pipework for a k03s to fill up, especially the core.  Bet you see a nice increase in lag.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 05 August 2012, 19:12
How much do the pipes stick out on a mk4 bumper tho?

3" is a lot of pipework for a k03s to fill up, especially the core.  Bet you see a nice increase in lag.

I have reduced to 63mm from the IC inlet/outlet exactly for this reason and to hopefully give more room in fitting and less cutting
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 05 August 2012, 19:44
also for people reading this remember that the shopping list for parts are different depending on the car and which route you want to take on the piping.

I am going to have a K04 charge pipe and an LCR inlet manifold to reduce the amount of piping needed

I have ordered the parts listed as being needed here post 19
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=350372

BUt that is the LCR way (throttle body on the passenger side and not drivers and a K04 charge pipe)
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 05 August 2012, 19:45
How much do the pipes stick out on a mk4 bumper tho?

3" is a lot of pipework for a k03s to fill up, especially the core.  Bet you see a nice increase in lag.

I've asked about the lag to but the size is supposed to incease the flow reducing pressure across the core, and lag is not supposed to be a problem. Only a 5 psi drop Oxford the core was loved by one user. How much psi do you run on a stage 2 K03?
As above I'm going to be using 76/63mm 45 deg reducers from the FMIC. On my standard LCR I'm peaking at 14psi and holding 12. I've not heard any negative response to this cooler set up.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 06 August 2012, 07:46
UPDATE - after spending a long time reviewing all this I am doing this exact route (pipework is also listed) BUT with 63mm piping
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=353162#

It amounts to roughly £240 including the IC, all pipework and clamps and P&P  :wink:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: azzsmith on 06 August 2012, 09:00
The link doesn't mention the pipe lengths... is it just a case of measuring up what lengths are needed?  :huh:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 06 August 2012, 09:11
pipework varies depending if you have a left or right side throttle body and if you need to use 76mm piping and reduce or starting with reduced staright from the intercooler 63mm
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 06 August 2012, 09:30
The angled pipe work comes in uniform lengths. You adjust it to your  :smiley:application with the alloy joiners or failing that trim the pipe work to fit.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: azzsmith on 06 August 2012, 11:38
Ok thanks a lot..  :wink:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 06 August 2012, 12:14
there are so many ways of doing it thats the problem, people say order this and this and that and then you look at another thread and your 4 or 5 bits short, I used the latest link I provided and it tells you what you need per side which is helpful.
and Im not bothering with the T clamps so they will be going back £30 for 10  :sick: so I am just going to double up on the jubilees becuase for 20 of the stainless ones its about £16

There is apparently a 63mm inlet/outlet version of the toyosports cooler, but I couldnt find it so using reducers off the inlet/outlet
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: azzsmith on 06 August 2012, 12:14
In your opinion, do you think it will be best to reduce from cooler down to 63mm?
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: azzsmith on 06 August 2012, 12:19
Yeah think i will do the same dalo harkin.
Thats the problem I got, looked at 1 post and got a list of the bits needed, then looked another post and it's different. That's what confused me lol.

Do you think the cooler I have bought will be ok with a k03s? as it's quite a big cooler.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 06 August 2012, 12:21
thats what I am doing  :wink:
so in this post on SeatCupra.net it says:-

On the driverside the pipework goes:

1) 76mm 45Deg Aluminum Bend
2) 76mm 90Deg Aluminum Bend
3) 76mm reducing to 63mm 90Deg Silicone Hose into a:  << you just need a 90 deg silicone hose if using 63mm off the inlet/outlet (not a reducing one)
4) 63mm Aluminum straight connector

Which joins my silicone hose to the standard charge pipe

Moving onto the passenger side the pipework goes:

1) 76mm 45Deg Aluminum Bend
2) 76mm 90Deg Aluminum Bend
3) 76mm 45Deg Aluminum Bend
4) 76mm Aluminum straight pipe

So you just swap all the 76's for 63's and add 2x 76mm-63mm reducers for the inlet/outlet

Like I said this is a cupra way throttle body on the right hand side, and the charge pipe is a K04 version

thats the way I am doing it
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 06 August 2012, 12:27
Yeah think i will do the same dalo harkin.
Thats the problem I got, looked at 1 post and got a list of the bits needed, then looked another post and it's different. That's what confused me lol.

Do you think the cooler I have bought will be ok with a k03s? as it's quite a big cooler.


I have ordered about 4 parts extra that'll need to be sent back due to the difference in peoples opinions of what is/isnt needed.
the benefit for me doing it the S3/Cupra way is that its less pipework (completely removes the pancake pipe work etc) and you can see on the images that it shouldnt be that hard to do (famous last words  :grin: )
all my parts should be here by the end of the week and I have given myself Sat and Sun to fit the bad boy  :evil:
missus ST TDCI is in for MOT though so may need some bits for that doing, if I have to pull an all nighter to fit the FMIC I will  :grin:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: azzsmith on 06 August 2012, 12:31
Lol, did you order your all your bits from mr silicone?
Do all the alloy pipes/bends need to be beeded?
Sorry for all the questions  :embarassed:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 06 August 2012, 12:38
pretty much, some from ASH and some from Mr Silicone, apparently they are the same, but I dont know.....
Yeah they need to be beaded, any that arent can pop off because of the boost (this is another thing with cutting the pipes if you cut the end you would lose the bead, so order either a piece of joining silicone and chop it up into sections as and when needed and chop the centre of the pipe so you dont lose the bead and use silicone joiners)

Luckily the setup I posted the link to should be exactly the same as mine, so I would rather be cutting the silicone than the ali pipes
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: paultownsend on 06 August 2012, 12:45
three excellent threads here, LH coldside fitttment

http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/a3-s3-forum-8l-chassis/107421-a3-aum-1-8t-ebay-fmic-install.html

http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/140205.aspx?PageIndex=1

http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/a3-s3-forum-8l-chassis/153151-markeyboys-1-8t-thread.html
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 06 August 2012, 14:06
parts extra that'll need to be sent back due to the difference in peoples opinions of what is/isnt needed.
the benefit for me doing it the S3/Cupra way is that its less pipework (completely removes the pancake pipe work etc) and you can see on the images that it shouldnt be that hard to do (famous last words  :grin: )
all my parts should be here by the end of the week and I have given myself Sat and Sun to fit the bad boy  :evil:
missus ST TDCI is in for MOT though so may need some bits for that doing, if I have to pull an all nighter to fit the FMIC I will  :grin:

Great knew think a like. Not just the Wellycooler but ST TDCI for the wife. How ever we just sold it!
It's great that there's so many different ways to do it. Can't wait for mine to arrive however half the silicone pipe work has turned up the wrong colour arse!
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: azzsmith on 06 August 2012, 15:01
Does anyone know what diameter silicone I will need to go to an agu throttle body?
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 06 August 2012, 15:30
Don't no for sure but I'd say 63mm which is the magic number on a good flowing FMIC on these engines check out the relentless page on facebook there's also info on there.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: azzsmith on 06 August 2012, 16:07
cheers fella, will do
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: azzsmith on 06 August 2012, 16:19
I'v seen some people use silicone on the 90/45 degree bends and some people use alloy?  :huh:
Whats the difference and does it matter what you use?
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 06 August 2012, 17:10
I'v seen some people use silicone on the 90/45 degree bends and some people use alloy?  :huh:
Whats the difference and does it matter what you use?

Well other than the obvious that the alloy wont be as flexible, you obviously need to have alloy each side of the silicone to tighten it onto

other than that I think you can use what you like / prefer, I have opted for as much alloy as I can and using small pieces of silicone to join them.

Cant wait, some bits should be there today  :smiley:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: rio_gti on 06 August 2012, 22:07
So doin it prawny's way is pretty much the same pipe length as doin it the welly way, so there would be no difference in performance wise?

Is it just how it looks that's different? Also easier as our inlets are originally this way round

Surely it should be a bit better as the charge pipe isn't above the hot exhaust manifold??

What are the cons of doing it like this???
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: paultownsend on 06 August 2012, 22:19
Prawn. You are THE MAN
So the only real restriction here is the 51mm outlet on the turbo?
I can see you've moved the dv to the cold side. Is it just a take off for the n75 you have to add?
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Prawny on 07 August 2012, 06:48
yea, after the turbo outlet it goes straight to 63mm the whole way, apart from the entry and exit from the cooler. Mine works fantastically well!

I did have a cold side kit at the time of fitting yes, although the DV has since been moved back to the first alloy charge pipe after the turbo, Niki prefered it this way.

Wellys setup, and parts list, is his way of installing it on an S3 / LCR (silly left handed inlet), and the lower section is much more visable.

Mine works for a ko3 / ko4 setup on a mk4 golf / LC / A3 running a right handed inlet.

Only change between ko3 and ko4 fitment is the first pipe, ko3 fitment uses a silicon 51-63 straight expansion onto an alloy 90, then a coupler onto the 45 and down, ko4 fitment just uses a 51-63 90 reducer straight off the turbo.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: golfyste on 07 August 2012, 07:45
I think prawnys' whole right up over the last two pages shoul be put on a thread for "fmic choices and how to"
And stickied!
Good effort pal  :cool:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: dom on 07 August 2012, 13:40
I think prawnys' whole right up over the last two pages shoul be put on a thread for "fmic choices and how to"
And stickied!
Good effort pal  :cool:

Agreed, can a mod take his posts and put them into a separate thread to be stickied? It would save the gazillion threads that seem to be appearing about fmic's at the moment. :grin:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: richw911 on 07 August 2012, 15:07
Done  :cool:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 07 August 2012, 20:36
Thanks Nick for comeing over and filling the huge holes in my knowledge :grin:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: rio_gti on 08 August 2012, 14:10
so what do you do about the map sensor?
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 08 August 2012, 14:34
so what do you do about the map sensor?

+1 is it the ONLY option to use the forge tube with it in or get a boss welded on  :undecided:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: rio_gti on 08 August 2012, 15:18
Or even attaching the boss to the silicone hosing maybe
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 08 August 2012, 18:25
For those of us with the throttle body on the passenger side there's two options.
Option one connect to the plastic map pipe
Option two add the forge alloy map pipe
For those of you with the throttle body on the wrong/right side sorry it's all Chinese to me  :kiss:
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: Prawny on 09 August 2012, 08:41
If you have an LCR, just retain the stock MAP sensor plastic pipe as most people do.

if you have anything else, then where my pipe run uses a 63mm 100mm alloy joiner, just replace that with the forge map pipe under the headlight. Works a treat on the ones I've done.
Title: Re: Where can I buy a THS FMIC or alternative
Post by: ReDBull on 09 August 2012, 18:44
This has arrived
(http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt26/redbull2525/363bcf2d.jpg)
Just need the correct pipe work to arrive and the time to fit it now.