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Title: S3 rears
Post by: Neil gti on 31 July 2012, 06:51
After wearing my rear brakes down to nothing & got sick of the sight of the rusty hubs,
I decided I'd get some discs to match the VWR fronts and upgrade at the same time for a better brake balance, got this refurbed set up off the Guru DaveB on the other forum,
Getting them fitted today so will sort a few piccies out later  :smiley:

 (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/NeilGti/0b20b89d.jpg)
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: MAW73 on 31 July 2012, 09:30
Nice one Neil. I thought you had been up to something as you have been quiet on here of late    :wink:

The brakes will not only look the part but will hopefully make a noticeable improvement.

The rusty hubs used to drive me potty.
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Buck on 31 July 2012, 10:03
Neil

they look the business  :cool: - will be better balanced after they're fitted too
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: mkviken on 31 July 2012, 11:29
I've tried to buy brakes from him loads of times but never has the courtesy to reply so your lucky I suppose.
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Post by: Rislar on 31 July 2012, 11:34
Very nice, lets hope they work better, especially after all that effort!!
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Mr GTD on 31 July 2012, 13:55
Those look great and am sure there be a great improvement over std...
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Neil gti on 31 July 2012, 20:31
Nice one Neil. I thought you had been up to something as you have been quiet on here of late    :wink:

The brakes will not only look the part but will hopefully make a noticeable improvement.

The rusty hubs used to drive me potty.

Not been about much cos been busy busy at work,
Got em fitted today and they look the part now, got a bit more pedal travel than before  :sad: will give em a couple of days to bed in and maybe get em re bled ?
I've tried to buy brakes from him loads of times but never has the courtesy to reply so your lucky I suppose.
He was a nightmare to pin down took nearly 2 months to get em but they are top quality for refurbs, he even machined the S3 discs with grooves to match the fronts  :smiley:
Those look great and am sure there be a great improvement over std...

Will have to wait and see a bit spongy at the mo  :sad:
Only done about 10 mile on em tho

A couple of crappy iPhone pics, they look small in the pics but really look the part in the flesh

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/NeilGti/0f0b319d.jpg)

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/NeilGti/c3244151.jpg)

Front disc pattern

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/NeilGti/a73eeec1.jpg)
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: mkviken on 31 July 2012, 20:36
looks nice and a much better performance i bet.

today again reminded me how poor the GTI brakes are. :angry:




do you not need to reset something with VCDS to allow for new pads and hill hold assist?
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Ginge 35Edition on 31 July 2012, 20:40
Very nice!
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Neil gti on 31 July 2012, 21:03
looks nice and a much better performance i bet.

today again reminded me how poor the GTI brakes are. :angry:




do you not need to reset something with VCDS to allow for new pads and hill hold assist?

standard brakes are very poor especially when remapped, was the 1st thing I changed after adding more power,
Would like to know a bit more about the vagcom option  :rolleyes: :wink:

Very nice!


 :smiley: Thanks Ginge
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Mr GTD on 31 July 2012, 21:10
They look great Neil, I'm sure once bedded in there come into there own...get some tyre gel on those Yoko's :wink:
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Jimmymature on 31 July 2012, 21:13
Wish I had £2k to buy those bad boy front calipers....


the whole thing looks great Neil.


Jim
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Neil gti on 31 July 2012, 21:16
Wish I had £2k to buy those bad boy front calipers....


the whole thing looks great Neil.


Jim

Thanks Jim  :smiley:
DaveB could build the Vwr set up for half the price, he is a brake guru but you gotta b patient with him  :grin:

They look great Neil, I'm sure once bedded in there come into there own...get some tyre gel on those Yoko's :wink:

They usually are gelled up nicely but the old girl has been getting neglected a bit lately,
Bed n work at the mo  :undecided:
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: mkviken on 31 July 2012, 21:17
Wish I had £2k to buy those bad boy front calipers....


the whole thing looks great Neil.


Jim

you won't be needing them where your going! (M135i)
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Jimmymature on 31 July 2012, 21:18
Wish I had £2k to buy those bad boy front calipers....


the whole thing looks great Neil.


Jim

you won't be needing them where your going! (M135i)

Funny you should say that, I was just looking on the BMW website......

 :evil:

Jim
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Neil gti on 31 July 2012, 21:22
Wish I had £2k to buy those bad boy front calipers....


the whole thing looks great Neil.


Jim

you won't be needing them where your going! (M135i)

 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :grin:
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: wigit on 31 July 2012, 21:41
you going to run grit guards with these Neil?
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: ScottA on 01 August 2012, 00:22
you going to run grit guards with these Neil?

looks like he has in the photos near the bottom of the first page
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Neil gti on 01 August 2012, 06:14
you going to run grit guards with these Neil?

Yes mk6 standard grit guards were left on just had to bend them back a little as they we're catching the disc,
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: gizzywizzy on 01 August 2012, 10:50
I hate the brakes on my GTI don't know if I could trust them in a emergency stop situation, so if I see cars in the distance stopped I start slowing down long before I reach them.
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: dubber36 on 01 August 2012, 14:19
I hate the brakes on my GTI don't know if I could trust them in a emergency stop situation, so if I see cars in the distance stopped I start slowing down long before I reach them.

Shouldn't you do that anyway?
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Edi35 on 01 August 2012, 14:36
I hate the brakes on my GTI don't know if I could trust them in a emergency stop situation, so if I see cars in the distance stopped I start slowing down long before I reach them.

Your brakes must be knackered then as I have no such issues with my GTI brakes. I have had the unfortunate situation to have used mine in anger in the past and the car pulled up very quickly and in a straight line. One of my regular trips home involves a long straight into a 30 limit so my brakes get used hard quite regularly with no issues. Also just returned from a trip through France where the car was fully loaded and drove on some great mountain roads with many hairpins and the brakes did not give me anything but confidence. Nearly had some locals that we're trying to keep up rear end me as the brakes on their run of the mill French crap were not as sharp.
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Buck on 01 August 2012, 15:36
I hate the brakes on my GTI don't know if I could trust them in a emergency stop situation, so if I see cars in the distance stopped I start slowing down long before I reach them.

Your brakes must be knackered then as I have no such issues with my GTI brakes. I have had the unfortunate situation to have used mine in anger in the past and the car pulled up very quickly and in a straight line. One of my regular trips home involves a long straight into a 30 limit so my brakes get used hard quite regularly with no issues. Also just returned from a trip through France where the car was fully loaded and drove on some great mountain roads with many hairpins and the brakes did not give me anything but confidence. Nearly had some locals that we're trying to keep up rear end me as the brakes on their run of the mill French crap were not as sharp.

Agreed

I had cause to use my ABS for the first time a few weeks ago.  Car on the inside lane of a two lane road decided to pull across in from of a BMW infront of me to turn right - he braked and when I realised he was stopping and not slowing down I hit my brakes hard, ABS came on and I steered to the side of him stopping almost level with his rear bumper - if I hadn't steered to the side then I would have given him a little nudge  :shocked:. Needless to say my heart was in my mouth but the brakes did their job (thank goodness)  :smiley:
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: mkviken on 01 August 2012, 15:43
Not intending to bang in about Renault sport but seriously the brembos on my 197 were leagues above the crap on the GTI

The middle pedal is a joy to use on the 197/200. Loads of feel and relentless power - I just couldn't get them to fade.

There was a couple of times where if I didn't have that stopping power (tractor pulling out on me etc) I would have had an accident. Them brembos are fantastic.

As that's my last ca it's hard not to compare the GTI to it but in the braking and turn in/steering feel departments the GTI is no where near what I'm used to.
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: gizzywizzy on 01 August 2012, 19:22
They must be ok cos it's just passed its MOT and at its service they put in new brake fluid.  I just think try feel extremely soft maybe need to give them a test lol
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Raffe on 01 August 2012, 20:16
Not intending to bang in about Renault sport but seriously the brembos on my 197 were leagues above the crap on the GTI

The middle pedal is a joy to use on the 197/200. Loads of feel and relentless power - I just couldn't get them to fade.

There was a couple of times where if I didn't have that stopping power (tractor pulling out on me etc) I would have had an accident. Them brembos are fantastic.

As that's my last ca it's hard not to compare the GTI to it but in the braking and turn in/steering feel departments the GTI is no where near what I'm used to.

But the French have always made cars with great chassis set ups....205 GTi, Clio Willams, 306 GTi-6, 106 Rallye, Clio Trophy 182 etc etc.. :cool:

Only thing I have driven which was an equal for fun and poise was the Integra Type-R, it would run rings around my Golf all day long.
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Neil gti on 01 August 2012, 20:29
I think the standard brakes on the Gti are average for such a heavy car for everyday day use,
As soon as you drive the car hard ie on track it is a must to upgrade, after just a couple of laps They really start to go downhill and fade very badly, I would expect to upgrade as they are not built for such hard driving,
I think Vw should of put better calipers on as standard tho, at least 4 pot Brembos IMO
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: mkviken on 01 August 2012, 23:18
i agree

I'm sure the standard brakes are decent enough but not for the cars weight. its 200kg too heavy for them stoppers
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Ess_Three on 01 August 2012, 23:35
i agree

I'm sure the standard brakes are decent enough but not for the cars weight. its 200kg too heavy for them stoppers

The standard brakes are verging on dangerous, in my mind. I had mine cooked, and the front end weaving about under heavily braking, on the public road, so it's no surprise to me that a couple of laps of a track and they are toast.
VW has consistantly failed to fit brakes up to the job for years. Shame really.
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Edi35 on 02 August 2012, 00:44
Again I just don't buy into this for road use unless you have a heavily modified car and for track use then yes agree.
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: mkviken on 02 August 2012, 09:12
honestly they're turd even on the road

a few downhill tight corners in close succession and the pedal becomes as soft as hell and you can feel the brakes just slipping

i had mine fade the other day not drying hard, well within the speed limit etc


round the town they're fine but if you ask a few stops from them close together they can't handle it
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Edi35 on 02 August 2012, 10:20
honestly they're turd even on the road

a few downhill tight corners in close succession and the pedal becomes as soft as hell and you can feel the brakes just slipping

i had mine fade the other day not drying  :grin:hard, well within the speed limit etc


round the town they're fine but if you ask a few stops from them close together they can't handle it

Your brakes must be knackered too. Your car has many mods, why not the brakes or have I missed something?

In the past in my youth I used to change the brakes and suspension before I started on the tuning. This was usually cos the car was old and knackered to start with  :grin:
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: cal tdi on 02 August 2012, 10:57
I agree that after asking something of the standard brakes that they start being less than suitable especially on a mapped car.

But as for fading after being used under normal driving and within the speed limit?? I can only imagine that people are used to better more aggressive brakes or are expecting more of the standard items. Or don't know what brake fade is =p

Mines stage 2 and 75% of the time they are totally acceptable. Otherwise not so good haha.

* back on topic though roughly how much dollar are you looking at for s3 rears with standard discs??
 
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Neil gti on 09 August 2012, 17:30
Just a bit of an update on the brakes now they have bedded in nicely  :smiley:

At 1st I had what felt like it was just braking on the front or there was air in the system still, but now they have been on for just over a week and covered about 300 mile and a bit of spirited driving in between  :rolleyes:  they are absolutely spot on, nice and progressive and if you want to stop quickly they will pull your face off and stop you instantly and very controlled, ABS and hill hold etc still works perfectly fine,
I thought with just the 6 pots on the front and standard rears they were spot on but now they are phenomenal  :cool: very pleased with the end result and will see how they perform at Cadwell next Wednesday night,
The braking upgrade to back and front give so much more confidence, it's made a great car into a brilliant car IMO
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Buck on 09 August 2012, 17:34
Great news Neil - sounds like you've got it set up just right now  :cool:
Title: Re: S3 rears
Post by: Jimmymature on 09 August 2012, 18:22
The brakes on the GTI are shocking and if I was keeping it longer I'd be getting rid for sure.