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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: sharki786 on 18 July 2012, 13:07
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just been looking on ebay for some braided brake lines and thers sooo many. It says on there 4 or 6? Does any 1 know which i need? Also a link that may help?
The front brake size is 288mm.
Its an anni
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6 hose kit. I'm assuming it has ABS fitted?
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ye it does have abs. So i need the 6 1?
Cheers buddy
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6 hose is for cars with rear discs, 4 hose is for cars with drums.
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funny thing is that the 4 1 has 4 hoses & so does the 6 1. Bit confusing. Does any1 if goodrich are any good? Also which is the cheapest place to get them from? What about the HEL make?
Thanks
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I believe this is to do with does it have a load sensor valve or not (early vs late abs)
(b.t.w I could be wrong on this?)
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bone, you just made it more confusing for me now lol. Think il ring the guy on ebay and speak to him/her. So goodrich good make then? What about the hel make?
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goodridge are a very well established make and top quality (can't say I've heard of the others)
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thanks for that info boney. Well i know kells got the hel make. So just though id ask about.
Any links for them? Year of mine is 96
thanks
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Just thought id bump this as i still aint got my lines sorted. I will be doing a full brake overhaul from the pipes down to the pads.
Who got braided line fitted? Who did you buy them from? How much did you pay? And what make? Need to get some soon as now. As people are telling me different things1 thing are both my front and rear calipers banjo fitting? I have ate at from ane lucas as back. Disc size on front is 288mm and my car is 96 (p) anniversary.
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should be the 6 line kit. good ridge through ebay are around £70-80, plus if you want to upgrade rear calipers (to less sticky mk4 one's) you can buy a kit with the correct conversion hoses
ideal time to sort both out (if your rear brakes are typical mk3 crap)
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Just to add HEL are a good make as well :wink:
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should be the 6 line kit. good ridge through ebay are around £70-80, plus if you want to upgrade rear calipers (to less sticky mk4 one's) you can buy a kit with the correct conversion hoses
ideal time to sort both out (if your rear brakes are typical mk3 crap)
Any links or which caliper goes on the mk4? I thought mine where the mk4's on rear?
What make are the rears on mk4? Also links please
Just to add HEL are a good make as well :wink:
Ye hel are good but very expensive was thinking goodrich or demon tweeks.
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this is the mk4 rear caliper http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Golf-MK4-Bora-Passenger-Side-Rear-Brake-Caliper-N-S-SEAT-SKODA-AUDI-/321077785061?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AGolf%7CPlat_Gen%3AMK+IV&hash=item4ac1ba31e5 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Golf-MK4-Bora-Passenger-Side-Rear-Brake-Caliper-N-S-SEAT-SKODA-AUDI-/321077785061?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AGolf%7CPlat_Gen%3AMK+IV&hash=item4ac1ba31e5)
you should get a pair for around £30-40 and they are alum rather than steel and have less issues with seizures. hand brake cables fit stright on but they use different hose connectors hence needed the goodridge conversion hoses (or kit)
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Just thought id bump this as i still aint got my lines sorted. I will be doing a full brake overhaul from the pipes down to the pads.
Who got braided line fitted? Who did you buy them from? How much did you pay? And what make? Need to get some soon as now. As people are telling me different things1 thing are both my front and rear calipers banjo fitting? I have ate at from ane lucas as back. Disc size on front is 288mm and my car is 96 (p) anniversary.
Made my own without covers, perk of the job :cool:
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Just thought id bump this as i still aint got my lines sorted. I will be doing a full brake overhaul from the pipes down to the pads.
Who got braided line fitted? Who did you buy them from? How much did you pay? And what make? Need to get some soon as now. As people are telling me different things1 thing are both my front and rear calipers banjo fitting? I have ate at from ane lucas as back. Disc size on front is 288mm and my car is 96 (p) anniversary.
Made my own without covers, perk of the job :cool:
Eh? :undecided:
Ok guys il buy the calipers but what make are the mk4s?
And could someone find me a link to the hoses please??
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These are the hoses i have... in my shed. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121067971306?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:VRI&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2661
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These are the hoses i have... in my shed. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121067971306?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:VRI&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2661
Want to sell them??
That means i got to buy the fronts sep?
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All mk3 golfs use 6 lines.two front and four on rear.The rears use two each side,one from chassis to subframe and one from subframe to caliper or drum on each side.Why they do a 4 line kit beats me as you are left with a standard hose on each side on the rear,the one that goes from chassis to subframe.Makes it pointless. :sad:
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Ok got some calipers (they from a bora) lucas ones with the standard lines and carriers for cheaps :evil:
My question is will my hand brake cables fit into the mk4/bora calipers?
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Ok got some calipers with the standard lines and carriers for cheaps :evil:
My question is will my hand brake cables fit into the mk4/bora calipers?
hand brake cables are fine, and you don't need the carriers and the hoses wont fit. you need to buy some conversion hoses (and posted earlier) as the connections differ. most goodridge sellers will do a full kit inc conversion hoses (might be worth emailing a few?)
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These are the hoses i have... in my shed. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121067971306?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:VRI&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2661
Want to sell them??
That means i got to buy the fronts sep?
No, they'll be fitted when i get the chance, isn't so cold...can be arsed.
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Ok got some calipers with the standard lines and carriers for cheaps :evil:
My question is will my hand brake cables fit into the mk4/bora calipers?
hand brake cables are fine, and you don't need the carriers and the hoses wont fit. you need to buy some conversion hoses (and posted earlier) as the connections differ. most goodridge sellers will do a full kit inc conversion hoses (might be worth emailing a few?)
Im sure my rear calipers are banjo fitting (lucas) so realy should fit? If not then i need to get the convo kit and 6 line kit???
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Make sure you check the bleed nipples on the mk4 calipers as they like to rip the threads out on removal/cracking off for bleeding
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Do ur hoses act need changing?
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Dont know when they been changed. And im actualy upgrading to the braided type anyway.
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Going to throw them into deruster at work tomoz anyway so shouldnt be an issue to crank open anyway :wink:
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I was thinking of doing that to but advice I been given unless u drive your car hard or do track racing no real point if there is nothing wrong with your hoses
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But up to u if you want to spend £80ish on some
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But up to u if you want to spend £80ish on some
Well a guy who workz with me has them fitted to his type r and siad that you get a better feel of the brakes and braking is improved aswel.
Will i be able to use my normal rear discs? They are 226mm (i think)
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U want the 6 line ones i think.....goodridge are ones i would go for
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old hoses can flex under pressure, even more so with rubber hoses. the braided type will improve the brake feel lots
and it will be 6 line kit, but if your fitting rear mk4 calipers call some suppliers and see if they will do a mk3 front, mk4 rear kit (they do them for the mk2's but I can't find a listing for the mk3)
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Complete 6 line kits with the mk4 rear caliper conversion hoses are definitely available from Goodridge although I've not seen many stockists listing them. I do remember them been bloody expensive as a full off the shelf option though hence i purchased my rears from eBay separately.
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Speaking to that guy who does the mk3 to mk4 convo and he said 70 for all 6 lines. So just waiting on him to reply back and see where we go from there.
Will update my project (done a few bits but no chance to update it)
P.s where the feck is the part numbers on the calipers? I cant seem to find them.
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That's a decent price tbh considering the fact im pretty sure the Goodridge package was almost £120!
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£80 ish thro Amazon
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With the mk4 rears?
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Goodridge-Braided-Brake-Volkswagen-1992-1996/dp/B002RNLDZE/ref=sr_1_30?ie=UTF8&qid=1361664637&sr=8-30
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With the mk4 rears?
Oh sorry no, thought u just meant the hoses. Yes u right, good deal
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Ye with the mk4 rear lines.
Total is 75.50 with 6 lines. Not bad.
Sorry i ment part number on the caliper.
Also i have out them into the deruster/cleaner they looking silver now rather then black and muddy lol :grin:
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Righty then. I got my braided lines yesterday and iv seen them but they look skinny :undecided:
Anyway a pic of them:
(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/shako786/20130301_160413_HDR_zps17454512.jpg)
Is that right?
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Look good to me.
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Look good to me.
Cheers mate. Im sure the hel braided lines i saw were slightly thicker.
Anyway just rebuild my old mans nissan almera caliper (handbrake lever seized) common. But its a bugger to put back together. Its the spring that needs compressing. Anyway will start my calipers soon.
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look ok, only issue i see is non stainless ends/fittings as found on Hel / good ridge
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Thought u decided Goodridge?
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The stainless fittings and braided cover are for show really, zinc plated ones will live long enough and are just as strong if not stronger.
They will just look a bit rusty next year, which is not good for someone with car OCD :whistle:
My hoses are uprated and look just the same as a normal pipe, very boring I know :grin:
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look ok, only issue i see is non stainless ends/fittings as found on Hel / good ridge
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I know i didnt think. Oh well.
Thought u decided Goodridge?
I did but then i got mk4 rear calipers so couldnt be arsed faffing about with trying to get the correct ones. The buyer i got these from had the fronts so i got them all together from him
The stainless fittings and braided cover are for show really, zinc plated ones will live long enough and are just as strong if not stronger.
They will just look a bit rusty next year, which is not good for someone with car OCD :whistle:
My hoses are uprated and look just the same as a normal pipe, very boring I know :grin:
Where i work we do electro plating which is zinc lol but i have been moved up a level to zinc nickle plating (most expensive in the place)
Im more than happy with them.
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where do you work, its not on aston science park is it? I deal with a few surface treatment specialists up there who do some exotic stuff
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Done live far from aston science park. I work in digbeth (A Gilligans) zinc plating
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Zinc plate will no way ever last aslong or be as strong as stainless, Infact I dare say they would corrode after time
The overbraid is not for show its to keep the lines firm I was told by the guy at HEL
Where I work we use zink nickle plate and its used on cheap valves. The better valves are always stainless steel, 316, F51 etc
I wouldn't say no to having them on the car but I'd still
Rather have the stainless versions
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Zinc plate will no way ever last aslong or be as strong as stainless, Infact I dare say they would corrode after time
The overbraid is not for show its to keep the lines firm I was told by the guy at HEL
Where I work we use zink nickle plate and its used on cheap valves. The better valves are always stainless steel, 316, F51 etc
I wouldn't say no to having them on the car but I'd still
Rather have the stainless versions
I aint fussed tbh.
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Zinc plate will no way ever last aslong or be as strong as stainless, Infact I dare say they would corrode after time
The overbraid is not for show its to keep the lines firm I was told by the guy at HEL
Where I work we use zink nickle plate and its used on cheap valves. The better valves are always stainless steel, 316, F51 etc
I wouldn't say no to having them on the car but I'd still
Rather have the stainless versions
I hear you about the zinc, it is a low price anti corrosion surface treatment and will wear through after a time but using stainless does not automatically make things stronger. Cast low carbon steel is generally more durable than billet machined stainless it just corrodes and looks sh!t.
The over braid is for protecting the ptfe/composite inner hose from abrasion and damage from heat or strikes in tough environments, the hoop strength of the hose is defined by the weave and layer of the different materials at the core of the hose and not the outer casing, if it is not bonded into the hose itself it is not for support
If you undo the hoses in the picture you will most likely find the braid is crimped just inside the nut.
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I was thinking would i need longer bolts for these lines? As v
Ive emaildd tbe guy twice now and he aint replied (bad for business) so i need to buy some anyone have any links to the longer bolts or could tell me which i need?
Thanks
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Sorted. Took the hoses and calipers to shaftec and they found some bolts for me. They were 2.50 each :shocked:
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Anyone know where you can get just the fronts?
I have the rear 4.
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Anyone know where you can get just the fronts?
I have the rear 4.
This is the guy i got mine from message him and see what he says? Am sure he can make some for ya
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Golf-MK4-Bora-Passenger-Side-Rear-Brake-Caliper-N-S-SEAT-SKODA-AUDI-/321077785061?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AGolf%7CPlat_Gen%3AMK+IV&hash=item4ac1ba31e5 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Golf-MK4-Bora-Passenger-Side-Rear-Brake-Caliper-N-S-SEAT-SKODA-AUDI-/321077785061?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AGolf%7CPlat_Gen%3AMK+IV&hash=item4ac1ba31e5)
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Don't you mean this guy? http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/9657adriana?_trksid=p2047675.l2559
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Don't you mean this guy? http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/9657adriana?_trksid=p2047675.l2559
Lolssss yes that guy
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Thanking you's.
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this is the mk4 rear caliper http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Golf-MK4-Bora-Passenger-Side-Rear-Brake-Caliper-N-S-SEAT-SKODA-AUDI-/321077785061?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AGolf%7CPlat_Gen%3AMK+IV&hash=item4ac1ba31e5 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Golf-MK4-Bora-Passenger-Side-Rear-Brake-Caliper-N-S-SEAT-SKODA-AUDI-/321077785061?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AGolf%7CPlat_Gen%3AMK+IV&hash=item4ac1ba31e5)
you should get a pair for around £30-40 and they are alum rather than steel and have less issues with seizures. hand brake cables fit stright on but they use different hose connectors hence needed the goodridge conversion hoses (or kit)
Ok so little update
I got the calipers from a bora (look exactly same as the top link) cleaned them up and sprayed them red (anniversary standards) :tongue:
Now i had a look at the link again as i ordered some dust seals for the piston but they was wrong (thats another thing)
Thing is that the ad says the dism size for that caliper is 9mm solid but the mk3gti rears are 10mm. Will i have any issues with fitting my 10mm discs?
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Beep :cool:
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Thought id update this as i sent the seals back off as they was the wrong ones. My next question is will motul 5.1 brake fluid be good for my brakes? Also im going to be flushing the fecker out how many litres will i need?
Thanks.
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Anyone?
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motul 5.1 will be fine... although i think it's a bit overkill as I only just started to boil my fluid on a trackday and that was dot4
if it's cheap then go for it otherwise stick with good ole 4
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motul 5.1 will be fine... although i think it's a bit overkill as I only just started to boil my fluid on a trackday and that was dot4
if it's cheap then go for it otherwise stick with good ole 4
What brand did you get then boney?
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What brand did you get then boney?
I get trade on lockheed or comma products so use both :smiley:
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Well brakes are on order they will be here on thursday so friday going to cousins garage and fit the lot. Goin to take ages to do.
Might just get lockheed then.
How much will i need though?
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Sharki - Have you still got the contact details for the guy that made your hoses up as I seem to have misplaced my mk4 rear conversion ones when I moved house and I don't particularly want to pay £40 for a pair of Goodridge unless totally necessary.
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I have but i got to tell you. On one of the braided pipes the thread started to come of (inside) and the plating is bollox!! After a week of having them on they started to corode.
http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/9657adriana?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1181
There you go mate
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Ah I've already attempted contact through that page a week or so ago to no avail...
That said, if they're sh!t then its probably done me a favour losing my other ones. I guess i'll be getting the GGoodridge ones then. Cheapest I've found so far this morning are £37 from C&R Enterprises.
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I think its best if you get it from c&r as they are good but are expensive. But rather pay that and they will last you