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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Flying Haggis on 07 March 2012, 14:55
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Guys, don't want to be shot down here and have a thread of criticism, just thought I'd get some level opinion on a situation:
Currently, have a 35 arriving in the next 2 to 3 weeks - specs as per my signature below
One of the dealers I had been talking to has offered me a standard GTI with the same spec as below, but no cruise control with an addition of dynaudio and ACC. The discount they are offering is v v good and enough to tempt me (they even offered to cover loss of deposit from other dealer).
Now for the bit that will irk some of you: The running costs will be lower with the std GTI, which is always a bonus in London...but will I miss the extra 25bhp? Only other thing is that the standard GTI comes with 17 " standard. I know many of you throw the idea of economy out the window, but it is a issue for all of us in some way or another....lower insurance, tax etc...is it worth it?
Thanks in advance.
Should just add that the original 35 was not a factory order for me, I just picked up someones dropped order.
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Only you can answer it really, you might save £200 a year on fuel and tax depending on your miles, insurance, proberly nothing in it. Why did you order Ed35 in the first place is the question you have got ask yourself.
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Only you can answer it really, you might save £200 a year on fuel and tax depending on your miles, insurance, proberly nothing in it. Why did you order Ed35 in the first place is the question you have got ask yourself.
i was going to say the same, really all depends what you want out of your Golf.
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It's easy enough to retrofit cruise control, you have the added benefit of ACC and dynaudio which are both great.
Let's face it your tax and insurance will be a little less with the standard GTI and you can always remap it if needed.
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Stick with the Edition 35. :smiley:
You have ordered it for a reason.
The running costs on the GTI are a bit better but the Edition 35 hardly breaks the bank. In terms of pace, it's not so much the 25hp that makes the Edition 35 feel quicker so much as the turbo characteristics. The bigger turbo on the Edition 35 pulls harder to the red line although the GTI can be more responsive.
Go for the Edition - it'll mean more to you in 2-3 years than the extra £750 quid.
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To add, the GTI represents a better deal for the money, so some will say go for that. But for others the special status of the Edition car outweigh the price premium.
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With my sensible head on, I'd take the GTI and pocket the difference, however every time you saw a 35, you'd regret it. You obviously ordered a 35 because it's what you wanted and you could afford it, so I'd stick with it.
These sort of cars are an emotional purchase, so cost and economy sort of goes out the window. If you were worried about the cost, then you would have ordered a diesel Match.
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I personally went for a GTI over an Ed 35. There are things I like about both.
First, the Ed 35 can be remapped via OBD port (AFAIK) where as the later GTI's can't, the ECU has to be opened for them to be mapped. That's not put me off a remap but I'm sure it will put many off.
The GTI has a newer engine, and hence less tax, better economy, and alongside slightly less power, cheaper insurance (which is quite important for me given my age). The Ed35 has the same lump from the S3, R etc but detuned a bit. I think it will map to around 300 bhp. The GTI engine "should" be more refined. I can't comment as I haven't really driven the S3/R/35 engine, at least not for a few years. There's very little in them 0-60.
The Ed 35 has darker tints, darker lights (they are tinted) and some fancy side skirts and door sills. I'm personally not fussed about any of them. The side skirts are nice BUT I quite like the black GTI skirts and they certainly don't look rubbish, which is what I was worried about so I considered fitting 35/bluemotion/R skirts afterwards. I will no longer bother doing this.
I personally don't like the Ed35 wheels and I love the Monza Shadows which is another reason I went for the GTI. Yeah the Monzas are common as muck on the GTI's but that's because they look good!
It's a difficult decision, but the wheels + newer engine made me go for the GTI. Residuals will probably be better on the Ed35 but that remains to be seen. Maybe people will pay more for economy ? I'd be interested to know what balloon VW quote on a similar spec GTI vs 35.
Either way, I don't think you will be disappointed.
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Also bear in mind if you want 18" monzas they will set you back a fair few quid cause if i had a brand new car i would want brand new wheels and not reps.
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I didn't realise they ED35 had the same engine as the R i would have that over the GTI then personally if it can be mapped up to 300bhp :cool:
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I take it the GTI has Xenons, as they are standard on the ED35 and are a £1100 option on the GTI
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ACC and Dynaudio are the two best options availible IMO and would probably sway me to the GTI if it was me. I also prefer the power delivery of the smaller Turbo in the GTI.
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Flying Haggis,
I think you should ammend your first post to include a poll. The numbers should speak for themselves.
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At this rate there will be more 35s on the road than gti,s making the residuals better on
A gti, yey :smiley: :smiley: :grin: :lipsrsealed:
Gti for me on this one
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I take it the GTI has Xenons, as they are standard on the ED35 and are a £1100 option on the GTI
Yes it has Xenons.
Interesting views here. All very valid!
Interesting to hear dynaudio and ACC being 2 of the best options, not the first time I ve heard it!
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Go into the dealer with the Ed35 and tell them you've been offered a well spec'ed GTI for less money - they might knock a few hundred more off and make your decision easier, especially as it's near the end of the fiscal year.
If you are going to be using the car mostly in London though, I'd take the standard GTI. You won't feel the benefit of the extra power of the Ed35 in city traffic but you will make the most of the smooth response of the standard car. Ditto the Dynaudio and ACC, which both make the car a nicer place to be, IMO. Wheels can always be changed at a later date.
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Got to agree with the London bit ^^^ you're not going to notice the extra 25 horses cruising Park Lane or stuck on the M25.
I had a bit of a similar dilemma last year when changing my 09 plate GTI. I wanted a car with xenons and the 35 was launched around the same time. I went for the normal GTI with hardly a thought for the 35. I much prefer the newer engine and don't like the front bumper on the 35.
TFSI engine wins hands down if you use high revs a lot.
TSI wins on all other counts.
You may be able to map the 35 to 300 bhp but the torque figures will be fairly similar to an EA888 that has been mapped. Both will struggle to get full bore acceleration down to the tarmac even with wider tyres (been there done that).
If you want 300 bhp get an R.
I like the seat belts on the 35 but that's about the only thing I'd take over a normal GTI with similar spec. But at the end of the day it all depends on the deal on offer.
Oh, and I know a few people that have remapped late model EA888 engines with no trouble with locked ECUs.
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What colour are they? May seem like a girly question but that could sway me with it being quite close? :undecided:
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Both Carbon Grey....identical basically.
What's the ride difference with 17s vs 18s...this is the only noticeable cosmetic difference (i.e. aside from power unit and ACC)
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As for dynaudio, I haven't heard the standard sound system but I am fairly happy with dynaudio (this is coming from a 21, soon to be 22 year old, so you can gather I like it quite loud (sometimes) and bass-y (sometimes)) and I've had an Audi with BOSE for the last 3 years, so it's really not bad at all! Of course, there's not as much bass as the BOSE as that had a little plastic sub hidden in the boot, but it's certainly not bad if you turn the bass setting up.
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Depends who,s plug in device your wanting to use to program a gti engine map. I know a member on here who has a gti less than 6 months old that's been chipped this way without trouble.
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Depends who,s plug in device your wanting to use to program a gti engine map. I know a member on here who has a gti less than 6 months old that's been chipped this way without trouble.
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Really? That's interesting...... I am booked in for a remap later this month but assume it will be an ECU open jobby
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You chose the ED35 and ticked the boxes you wanted!
Me Thinks thats the one you want!
Now "grow some" and hold firm soldier!
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The Edition35 shares the older engine with the mk5.My mk5 GTI I had since new used a lot of engine oil.I always seemed to be topping it up.For this reason I much prefer the newer unit.The dealers told me it was a characteristic and basically tough.
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Stay with the 35 you may regret getting the standard gti where as you won't regret getting the 35.
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Depends who,s plug in device your wanting to use to program a gti engine map. I know a member on here who has a gti less than 6 months old that's been chipped this way without trouble.
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Really? That's interesting...... I am booked in for a remap later this month but assume it will be an ECU open jobby
the GTD are locked and require the ECU to be opened but the GTI can be mapped thru the OBD port no problem. The GTI is defiantly not locked but i don't know about the ed.35
the only reason the diesels are locked is to save the DPF from damage and warranty claims or something.
my mate just had his TDI170 remapped and DPF removed but couldn't use OBD port
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Go for the ED35....You will be :smiley: all the way....I traded in my mK6 gti for the ED35...ok maybe uses slightly more fuel, but come time the government will have us running about in electric cars...so go for it... :cool:
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Guys, don't want to be shot down here and have a thread of criticism, just thought I'd get some level opinion on a situation:
Currently, have a 35 arriving in the next 2 to 3 weeks - specs as per my signature below
One of the dealers I had been talking to has offered me a standard GTI with the same spec as below, but no cruise control with an addition of dynaudio and ACC. The discount they are offering is v v good and enough to tempt me (they even offered to cover loss of deposit from other dealer).
Now for the bit that will irk some of you: The running costs will be lower with the std GTI, which is always a bonus in London...but will I miss the extra 25bhp? Only other thing is that the standard GTI comes with 17 " standard. I know many of you throw the idea of economy out the window, but it is a issue for all of us in some way or another....lower insurance, tax etc...is it worth it?
Thanks in advance.
Should just add that the original 35 was not a factory order for me, I just picked up someones dropped order.
how much of a discount are we talking?
i wouldn't lose an ed.35 for the sake of ACC and dynaudio unless the GTI was MUCH cheaper.
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We re talking a discount of £5k, over a £2k discount on the ed35. My sentiments have been along the lines of Murrayedition35....soon we ll all be sitting in driverless cubes...so its probably worth having sme fun now. Also the GTI lacks cruise control, which was one of my key options (parents live in Scotland...)so a bit of M6, M74 action.
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Well that's a good saving and with A remap a gti would be quicker than an ed35 and you will have a pocket full of spare cash.
Other than the engine (which the gti can match with a few tweaks), skirts and bumper it's basically the same car so depends how much you want them over the standard car.
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So we are talking 28k v 31k, depends if you can live with them wheels, if not i would just get the ed35.
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We re talking a discount of £5k, over a £2k discount on the ed35. My sentiments have been along the lines of Murrayedition35....soon we ll all be sitting in driverless cubes...so its probably worth having sme fun now. Also the GTI lacks cruise control, which was one of my key options (parents live in Scotland...)so a bit of M6, M74 action.
You can have cruise retrofitted! Infact, get the dealer to do it! Tell them you'll buy (assuming you want that car) if they retrofit cruise.
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We re talking a discount of £5k, over a £2k discount on the ed35. My sentiments have been along the lines of Murrayedition35....soon we ll all be sitting in driverless cubes...so its probably worth having sme fun now. Also the GTI lacks cruise control, which was one of my key options (parents live in Scotland...)so a bit of M6, M74 action.
You can have cruise retrofitted! Infact, get the dealer to do it! Tell them you'll buy (assuming you want that car) if they retrofit cruise.
Yep cruise is £188 fitted from dealers, works out cheaper than factory fit, I had it done before picking the motor up...
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Haha stealer quoted £349 for retro fit...any chance and they take it!
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Haha stealer quoted £349 for retro fit...any chance and they take it!
I think the parts are just less than £100 for an A3 so about the same for the Golf I would imagine, anything after that is labour :wink: it's not a massive job but it's best to know what you're doing. If you're that way inclined you could do it yourself and have someone with VAG COM code it for you
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Is it exactly the same spec and colour bar acc, dyno audio and cruise ? Just wondered if it was Blue Graphite in colour ?
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Haha stealer quoted £349 for retro fit...any chance and they take it!
My local dealer wanted £500! Paid £160 for someone to do it at my house. What is a shame is that some people do get ripped off by these p1ss taking dealers no doubt.
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Just FYI but when talking about.cruise its far easier and far cheaper to fit to pre mid 2010 cars than later ones
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GTI ED35 and a remap :cool:
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Haha stealer quoted £349 for retro fit...any chance and they take it!
My local dealer wanted £500! Paid £160 for someone to do it at my house. What is a shame is that some people do get ripped off by these p1ss taking dealers no doubt.
Any main dealer will retro fit for £188. I'm also getting it 'retrofitted' before delivery. Here is the link from VW
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/accessories/convenience-and-protection/1K0054690B/cruise-control-with-multi-function-display?mark=golf-2009&offset=30&previousCategory=convenience-and-protection
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Is it exactly the same spec and colour bar acc, dyno audio and cruise ? Just wondered if it was Blue Graphite in colour ?
Yup, colour is identical. Just those wheels...!
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GTI ED35 and a remap :cool:
^^^^^ What he said! ^^^^^
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Is it exactly the same spec and colour bar acc, dyno audio and cruise ? Just wondered if it was Blue Graphite in colour ?
Yup, colour is identical. Just those wheels...!
ok it's just that ive seen the same spec for sale but Graphite Blue and that was about 28k.
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Having had a MK6 for 2.5 years and picked up my ED35 last week I know which I prefer. Both are great cars but the ED35 is more fun. I always missed my ED30 but now I finally have the replacement. :smiley:
If you are worring about running costs and still want the image go for a GTD, the engine characteristics linked with DSG would be ideal for London.
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I m holding firm, my moment of weakness has now passed. Thank you all for your comments.
On another point/thread, how can it take 15 working days to get on a ship!!
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I m holding firm, my moment of weakness has now passed. Thank you all for your comments.
On another point/thread, how can it take 15 working days to get on a ship!!
Backlog!!
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I m holding firm, my moment of weakness has now passed. Thank you all for your comments.
On another point/thread, how can it take 15 working days to get on a ship!!
Mine just took the full 15 days because of 1st March rush - how at Sheerness!
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I m holding firm, my moment of weakness has now passed. Thank you all for your comments.
On another point/thread, how can it take 15 working days to get on a ship!!
Mine just took the full 15 days because of 1st March rush - how at Sheerness!
15 days is assuming it ships tomorrow, still no word...
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I m holding firm, my moment of weakness has now passed. Thank you all for your comments.
On another point/thread, how can it take 15 working days to get on a ship!!
Mine just took the full 15 days because of 1st March rush - how at Sheerness!
15 days is assuming it ships tomorrow, still no word...
Flying Haggis, who have you been phoning to get updates? Dealer or vw cust serv? In my experience I've found or tho my dealer kept me up to date with the status of my car I found the vw cust serv gave me more info....they usually give a estimated time on when your car shud get on a ship and also when it's on there they again will give a estimate on when it will be docking in either Grimsby or sheerness....ect ect