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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Chris. on 18 December 2011, 22:33
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Here you all go for the newest MOT manual
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MOT%20Inspection%20Manual.pdf (http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MOT%20Inspection%20Manual.pdf)
DVLA themselves with a jan 2012 issue date so rock solid information.
Chris
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Have you SEEN how big it is?!
Someone summarise it :grin:
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Look for the parts with the bold black line...they the new parts
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A lot of illegal HID users can say goodbye to them then :grin:
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Mine are coming out jan, keeps flicking on and off, does my nut!
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None of this crap means anything when you get it MOT'd by a mate. :wink:
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When reading through it the first thing I thought was "Like any MOT test centre is going to bother doing thee checks. It's just more work for them."
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None of this crap means anything when you get it MOT'd by a mate. :wink:
Exactly i will still be fine
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Very interesting reading.
So a tester can fail a car for having a spongey brake pedal, down to the tester's opinion, that would prove interesting on an old car.
Airbag testing also could write off older vehicles.
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Just to add www.motuk.co.uk looks like it's updated, i've always used this site.
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None of this crap means anything when you get it MOT'd by a mate. :wink:
Exactly i will still be fine
Not exactly the best thing to say on open forum?
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Not exactly the best thing to say on open forum?
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I agree, wouldn't want to get your mate in trouble with VOSA!
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Or police who pull you after seeing bright HIDs on an old car, then investigate the MOT testers that passed you :rolleyes:
Then the fact you are not insured as your car is not actually road worthy, thus invalidating your insurance should anything happen and your car be examined. :wink:
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None of this crap means anything when you get it MOT'd by a mate. :wink:
This is a shame, as an MOT is a basic set of safety tests. Feeling that it's OK not to comply with them is pretty disgusting.
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None of this crap means anything when you get it MOT'd by a mate. :wink:
This is a shame, as an MOT is a basic set of safety tests. Feeling that it's OK not to comply with them is pretty disgusting.
De-cats?
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De-cats?
It's lolcats, numpty.
No - environmental safety. :rolleyes:
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None of this crap means anything when you get it MOT'd by a mate. :wink:
This is a shame, as an MOT is a basic set of safety tests. Feeling that it's OK not to comply with them is pretty disgusting.
Shame the MOT document is such a sh!t guide for ensuring an homologous, quantifiable level of safety.
Words like 'excessive' and 'loose' or 'play' wouldn't appear in a document.
I agree with the sentiment though, but I don't think anyone is suggesting that their mate would pass a deathtrap for a favour.
But as the MOt requires the testers judgement, it's mostly grey area anyway.
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sports cat ftw :afro:
got a £100 200 cell hoffman ebay job on mine passed with flying colours :)
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A lot of illegal HID users can say goodbye to them then :grin:
Projectors with HID's FTW :wink:
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A lot of illegal HID users can say goodbye to them then :grin:
Projectors with HID's FTW :wink:
Projectors, self levelling, headlight washers with HID's FTW don't you mean?
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A lot of illegal HID users can say goodbye to them then :grin:
Projectors with HID's FTW :wink:
Projectors, self levelling, headlight washers with HID's FTW don't you mean?
I don't think there is anything in there which says you must have any of these features with HID's. It just says things like "may be fitted", "where such systems are fitted, they must work" and "check the operation of any headlamp levelling and cleaning devices fitted."
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De-cats?
It's lolcats, numpty.
No - environmental safety. :rolleyes:
I'm just saying, you've justified de-cats saying that they don't harm anyone, on here before.
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A lot of illegal HID users can say goodbye to them then :grin:
Projectors with HID's FTW :wink:
Projectors, self levelling, headlight washers with HID's FTW don't you mean?
I don't think there is anything in there which says you must have any of these features with HID's. It just says things like "may be fitted", "where such systems are fitted, they must work" and "check the operation of any headlamp levelling and cleaning devices fitted."
I'm pretty sure it does mention it.
End of the day it's common sense. If you run illegal HID's, you're a complete idiot.
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a theoretical solution to illegal HID's just drive into the thingys with them,
they make there car technicaly unroad worthy, therefor accident fault defaults to them. car of choice for this would naturaly be a golf 3 so any golf 3 with HID's would be a double win , 2 of them off the road with one crash :laugh:
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A lot of illegal HID users can say goodbye to them then :grin:
Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system.
Where such systems are fitted, they must work; however, it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt must be given.
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Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system.
Where such systems are fitted, they must work; however, it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt must be given.
This it the same for pretty much anything on an MOT - if it's fitted, it needs to work correctly.
Actually according the EU law (which overrides UK law) they don't. All that is required is that the HIDs are in units E-marked to have them in, for that car (and adjusted correctly, obviously).
As such, no car that didn't have HIDs in as OEM can have them, legally.... unless an aftermarket supplier's gone through the massive rigmarole of E-marking their units, which they won't have.
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Actually according the EU law (which overrides UK law) they don't. All that is required is that the HIDs are in units E-marked to have them in, for that car (and adjusted correctly, obviously).
In that case If EU laws supersede UK laws do we need to have standard UK plates?
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In that case If EU laws supersede UK laws do we need to have standard UK plates?
Is there any coverage for numberplates in EU law?
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Actually according the EU law (which overrides UK law) they don't. All that is required is that the HIDs are in units E-marked to have them in, for that car (and adjusted correctly, obviously).
In that case If EU laws supersede UK laws do we need to have standard UK plates?
Having two sets of guidelines to follow means you are always do less than if you were following only one.
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A lot of illegal HID users can say goodbye to them then :grin:
Projectors with HID's FTW :wink:
Projectors, self levelling, headlight washers with HID's FTW don't you mean?
Ye thats what i ment to say :rolleyes:
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Wondered how long it would be before all the 'headlight police' had something to say :rolleyes:
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Wondered how long it would be before all the 'headlight police' had something to say :rolleyes:
Dont you get pi**ed off with being blinded by twits with illegal Xenons ?
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Better 'headlight police' than a 'headlight ar$hole' dazzling other road users.
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I f**king hate the thingys who have standard headlights and HIDs. The term "I'm alright jack" comes to mind. They might be able to see better but the people driving towards them cant see a fecking thing.
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Wondered how long it would be before all the 'headlight police' had something to say :rolleyes:
Dont you get pi**ed off with being blinded by twits with illegal Xenons ?
Dont really get them down my neck of the woods, how ever the few I have seen dont seem know where near as bad as people make them out to be, maybe its just me!? (and before anyone thinks I am one of these people that runs HID is standard headlights IM NOT)
How ever, There are a few cars brand new from the factory which are fitted with BLINDING headlights ie the insignia etc
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I f**king hate the thingys who have standard headlights and HIDs. The term "I'm alright jack" comes to mind. They might be able to see better but the people driving towards them cant see a fecking thing.
not all of us have 12000k wit incorrect bulb positioning,
i for one have 6k with anti glare bulbs
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I f**king hate the thingys who have standard headlights and HIDs. The term "I'm alright jack" comes to mind. They might be able to see better but the people driving towards them cant see a fecking thing.
not all of us have 12000k wit incorrect bulb positioning,
i for one have 6k with anti glare bulbs
Even 6000k is too bright I have found out. Could you explain how these anti glare bulbs work? :huh:
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I'm alright, I've got xenons fitted on my......oh :cry: :lipsrsealed:
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since when has eu law superseded uk law? for a start there is no eu law, they have regulations, they have no real power to say any country has to obey them! otherwise the £ would have went years ago
hids without at least projectors is a horrible idea, so glad its gonna be in the mot now, means police can actually do something about them now. was an alfa in south shields that used to blind me everytime, could see him coming from miles away, then could still see the lights once hed past as it was burned into my retinas!!!
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since when has eu law superseded uk law? for a start there is no eu law, they have regulations, they have no real power to say any country has to obey them! otherwise the £ would have went years ago
Is Google broken for you?
It is the case, you're speaking nonsense. Please stop.
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since when has eu law superseded uk law? for a start there is no eu law, they have regulations, they have no real power to say any country has to obey them! otherwise the £ would have went years ago
Is Google broken for you?
It is the case, you're speaking nonsense. Please stop.
yup, your right, im going from my work place, psv law, completely different. quick google confirmed
sh!t how my workplace doesnt have to comply to eu tho
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I f**king hate the thingys who have standard headlights and HIDs. The term "I'm alright jack" comes to mind. They might be able to see better but the people driving towards them cant see a fecking thing.
not all of us have 12000k wit incorrect bulb positioning,
i for one have 6k with anti glare bulbs
Even 6000k is too bright I have found out. Could you explain how these anti glare bulbs work? :huh:
http://www.hids4u.co.uk/HID-Xenon-Technical-Details.html
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so those bulbs are legal in standard lamps and will pass the mot and not blind other road users?? win win win :laugh:
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so those bulbs are legal in standard lamps and will pass the mot and not blind other road users?? win win win :laugh:
bulbs are yes, but youd need headlight washers and auto levelers for them to be legal though. so basically aftermarket HIDs wont be legal
likelyhood that all garages will care is pretty slim, nearly everyone knows a "friendly" garage anyway lol
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I was on the motorway a few days ago, the amount of new cars with HID's "standard" with all the bull crap (auto adjusters and washers blah blah blah) i was blinded with them going in the oposit way and over taking me, a few of them even left me blinded (just could see white for a few seconds) one was a Q7 (11 plate) & a few various ones. whatever happens people will still get blinded with the HID's unless the mot tester adjusts them (but they wont as they hardly even check the headlight patters and position). the only cars that didnt blind me was the merc's.
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Indeed, all HIDs are sh!t, far too bright. The only law I know of is the 55w max law, no law on actually how bright a unit is.
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bulbs are yes, but youd need headlight washers and auto levelers for them to be legal though. so basically aftermarket HIDs wont be legal
Sounding like a broken record on this front, but no you don't. The only legal requirement is for E-marked lamp units, which have been approved for HID use.
And the 'anti-glare' HID units still won't be legal on the above basis. What's posted above sounds like sales BS to me, from a company selling dodgy HID kits.
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Are diesels now going to require a cat to pass now?! :lipsrsealed:
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Hopefully not :lipsrsealed:
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Fortunately I kept my cat, just in case, but that would be bollacks!! :undecided: The irony being that my MOT test centre was the garage that fitted my decat! :laugh:
I suppose I'll find out next month, as it due on the 26th! :lipsrsealed:
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Are diesels now going to require a cat to pass now?! :lipsrsealed:
I must be being blind but I can't see any reference to that in the regs? :undecided:
I'm looking under Section 7.4 by the way.....
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I f**king hate the thingys who have standard headlights and HIDs. The term "I'm alright jack" comes to mind. They might be able to see better but the people driving towards them cant see a fecking thing.
not all of us have 12000k wit incorrect bulb positioning,
i for one have 6k with anti glare bulbs
Even 6000k is too bright I have found out. Could you explain how these anti glare bulbs work? :huh:
6K give out the most light, anything over 6K is actually duller just more blue.
and the anti glare bulbs work by having small directional cover things on them so they dont shine in the same way.
read at the bottom http://www.hids4u.co.uk/HID-Xenon-Technical-Details.html
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I'm more worried about the airbag testing than hids,my airbag light In the mk3 dosnt even light up :(
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I'm more worried about the airbag testing than hids,my airbag light In the mk3 dosnt even light up :(
Someone removed the bulb :laugh:
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I'm more worried about the airbag testing than hids,my airbag light In the mk3 dosnt even light up :(
(http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/white-trash-repairs-safety-first-cars-air-bag.jpg)
Job jobbed.
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I'm more worried about the airbag testing than hids,my airbag light In the mk3 dosnt even light up :(
Someone removed the bulb :laugh:
when I bought the car it was permanently on untill I disconnected the battery to put a new battery on then the light didn't come on at Allan's hasn't since (2 years)
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Never been blinded by a car fitted with standard fit HIDs only the stupid aftermarket kits.
If you want HIDs buy a car that comes with them standard from the factory !!
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Are diesels now going to require a cat to pass now?! :lipsrsealed:
I must be being blind but I can't see any reference to that in the regs? :undecided:
I'm looking under Section 7.4 by the way.....
In Section 7.1, on the first page, third column, it states:
Reason for Rejection
- A catalytic converter missing where one was fitted as standard
Has this always been incorporated into the guidelines? :huh:
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Don't worry rhys, our motors were not fitted with a catalytic converter just yours has a silly DPF :smug:
Aftermarket exhausts will also fail :rolleyes:
A silencer in such condition, or of such a type,
that the noise emitted from the vehicle is clearly
unreasonably above the level expected from a
similar vehicle with a standard silencer in
average condition.
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Don't worry rhys, our motors were not fitted with a catalytic converter just yours has a silly DPF :smug:
Aftermarket exhausts will also fail :rolleyes:
A silencer in such condition, or of such a type,
that the noise emitted from the vehicle is clearly
unreasonably above the level expected from a
similar vehicle with a standard silencer in
average condition.
No just very loud systems at testers discretion.
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So for diesels that were fitted with a Cat as standard, removing it n running a decat is therefore a fail?? :huh: