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General => General discussion => Topic started by: _Adam_ on 28 November 2011, 10:47
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im contemplating selling up the Diesel for a Civic Type R EP3 shape. wondering on people's opinions or experiences with Honda's?
It's not that i'm bored or anything is wrong, but it's quite unlike me to keep a car longer than a year and i've had the golf for 3! I have an urge to sell up and to be honest i miss the performance and sound of a good petrol engine.
Thoughts? :undecided:
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Drive one and see. You really are going to miss the torque of the diesel... you will have to rev the nuts off the civic to go anywhere.
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Integra! :cool:
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I've voted for "Keep the Golf" purely because I don't think you should buy the Civic.
If you really fancy a change, then by all means go for it but I don't think you'll last long in an EP3 having come out of the diesel.
I've not got anything against Civic's - in fact I'd normally have said go for it - but I think if you're used to the strong pull of the diesel (and also the fuel consumption) then you're going to find the Type R engine very frustrating.
The biggest thing for me when I test drove one (albeit an FN2), was the actual need to drop down the gears to overtake things. On the twisties where you want to work through the box it's not an issue - actually more an incentive - but once you've had you're fun and want to just relax I found the engine didn't have the ability.
But, take a test drive and see what you think. It's you're cash and you're choice so don't limit yourself by what people say. :smiley:
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I've owned an EP3 for the past 18months roughly.
Its fun to drive and handles well. The 0-60 is good and it pulls well through the gears. In the corners it is pretty good too. As said it lacks in torque as at the end of the day its a 2.0litre N/A.
To be honest though as a day to day car its not the best. The fuel consumption is pretty bad no matter how you drive it.
They have pretty much no mod cons other than Aircon which was optional.
Problem with hot hatchs is that they compromise between comforts/cruising with performance. The EP3 tilts a bit more towards performance and so suffers on refinements.
I would say buy it providing you dont do high miles each month and you will enjoy it.
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Thanks for the replies guys, very helpful, all though the voting being 50/50 is not lol.
Mikester -
when you say the fuel consumption is bad, could you give me an idea? like how many miles do you do to £10 fuel?
I understand that i will be sacrificing a lot of comfort, as the golf has all the usual extras except Highline, but i want the performance (and the noise :embarassed:)
is there any alternative suggestions? i would love a DC5 as above but they are a bit out of my price range. i was looking at a Clio 197 but the interior is horrible grey :sick:
also considered were small turbo hatches, like Ibiza Cupra, Polo GTI, or even a Corsa VXR :shocked:
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I'm i'n the same situation as you...looking at ep3, impreza's etc...keep going back to the cupra r as it ticks all the boxes for me...ep3 has all the power high up, impreza is expensive to insure and drinks fuel...cupra r has the torque low down and returns same mpg as my 16v...
Brian
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Cupra R is a good choice, just be aware they dont make 260bhp from a map as everyone makes out :wink:
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How many miles to £10? Haha!
I dont EVER "just put a tenner in" as it gets you know where these days.
I always fill it up which costs £60ish. I normally get 230-250miles to this roughly. That is a mix of motorway and country lanes. I very very very rarely drive in town or urban areas with traffic lights.
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i would love a DC5 as above but they are a bit out of my price range.
Would it not be wiser to hold onto the Golf for just that bit longer and save up in order to get the car you really want. :undecided:
I was looking at a Clio 197 but the interior is horrible grey :sick:
Please no. :sick:
also considered were small turbo hatches, like Ibiza Cupra, Polo GTI, or even a Corsa VXR :shocked:
Not a bad line-up to choose from. But if you're on a lowish budget then I think any Corsa VXR's within you're price range will either have been lemons or ragged to death. Perhaps better going for a tidier, although older, Cupra or GTI.
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How many miles to £10? Haha!
I dont EVER "just put a tenner in" as it gets you know where these days.
I always fill it up which costs £60ish. I normally get 230-250miles to this roughly. That is a mix of motorway and country lanes. I very very very rarely drive in town or urban areas with traffic lights.
230-250 miles out of a full tank in a 2.0 ctr surely not,i get about 300-320 out of my modded golf vr6,you must be ragging the sh!t out of it,my old prelude 2.2 vtec did about the same as my golf maybe abit more
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Two of my mates do loads of traveling for work both bought the civic diesel and love it!
Just realised my comment won't help :grin:
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My friend has a civic type r ep3 which is really nice handles well and performance is pretty good its a little faster than my mk3 16v but he really has to rev the tits out of it which of course is the nature of the vtec engine :sad: He also saids fuel consumption isn't the best but is alot better than his old 106 gti which he had for 4 years. My other mate has a clio 182 cup and loves it and again performance is very good and handles very well :smiley: Another of my mates currently just moved on from a corsa vxr which he spent alot of money on as they suffer from no.4 piston melting he works for forge motorsport so not to much of a problem he had it as there demo car at total vauxhall this year and uprated all parts for forge items etc etc was running 240bhp 260ish ft/Ilbs and he honestly said to me he struggled against my golf when it was standard and even after all this work didn't go past with ease so i'm not a big fan of them either. However he sold this last week and got a renault megane f1 225. Since fitted a forge front mount and remap is now 270 bhp 300 ft/Ilbs and i can tell you i went in it tonight and omg the power is very good with great handling :cool: quoted one of the best handling hot hatches going and the mpg is better than his corsa was :smiley: so maybe something to think about as they can start from 3k+ now.
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Search for the other civic thread as loads of Personal opinions. I have owned both. Mile muncher the GTTDI out and out performance the civic. And a slightly big quicker than a 16v! :grin: must be ragged to fo0k then!! :laugh:
Seruiosly quick if you know HOW to drive them and yes that means top end all day but for out of the box performance it's better than my mk5. They feel light and agile but still planted and plenty of feedback from the road. Tyres make a massive difference on these cars though...cheap brands will not reward you. They Are also heavy on oil when pushed on a regular basis...shouldn't be as bad as they are but mineand my mates were the same plus a few others I spoke to.
Mpg is shocking and can be as low as 190miles to tank if on song all the time. It's only 45l tank tho. Golfs tank is bigger but expect between 400-600 in the golf depending on how you drive. Plus the civic needs super so more expense.
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I spent the same a month on my CTR for fuel as my R32 to give you some thought :wink:
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My friend has a civic type r ep3 which is really nice handles well and performance is pretty good its a little faster than my mk3 16v but he really has to rev the tits out of it which of course is the nature of the vtec engine :sad: He also saids fuel consumption isn't the best but is alot better than his old 106 gti which he had for 4 years. My other mate has a clio 182 cup and loves it and again performance is very good and handles very well :smiley: Another of my mates currently just moved on from a corsa vxr which he spent alot of money on as they suffer from no.4 piston melting he works for forge motorsport so not to much of a problem he had it as there demo car at total vauxhall this year and uprated all parts for forge items etc etc was running 240bhp 260ish ft/Ilbs and he honestly said to me he struggled against my golf when it was standard and even after all this work didn't go past with ease so i'm not a big fan of them either. However he sold this last week and got a renault megane f1 225. Since fitted a forge front mount and remap is now 270 bhp 300 ft/Ilbs and i can tell you i went in it tonight and omg the power is very good with great handling :cool: quoted one of the best handling hot hatches going and the mpg is better than his corsa was :smiley: so maybe something to think about as they can start from 3k+ now.
No matter what I do, when I read this it comes out in my head in the voice of Vicky Pollard.
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My friend has a civic type r ep3 which is really nice handles well and performance is pretty good its a little faster than my mk3 16v but he really has to rev the tits out of it which of course is the nature of the vtec engine :sad: He also saids fuel consumption isn't the best but is alot better than his old 106 gti which he had for 4 years. My other mate has a clio 182 cup and loves it and again performance is very good and handles very well :smiley: Another of my mates currently just moved on from a corsa vxr which he spent alot of money on as they suffer from no.4 piston melting he works for forge motorsport so not to much of a problem he had it as there demo car at total vauxhall this year and uprated all parts for forge items etc etc was running 240bhp 260ish ft/Ilbs and he honestly said to me he struggled against my golf when it was standard and even after all this work didn't go past with ease so i'm not a big fan of them either. However he sold this last week and got a renault megane f1 225. Since fitted a forge front mount and remap is now 270 bhp 300 ft/Ilbs and i can tell you i went in it tonight and omg the power is very good with great handling :cool: quoted one of the best handling hot hatches going and the mpg is better than his corsa was :smiley: so maybe something to think about as they can start from 3k+ now.
No matter what I do, when I read this it comes out in my head in the voice of Vicky Pollard.
:grin:
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Keep the golf,
I has a ep3 for two years lovley car nippy everything u would expect fro
A hot hatch,but
THe built quality of a golf is far superior even against my mk4 golf,
If ur were going jap go integra much more prettier lol
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I spent the same a month on my CTR for fuel as my R32 to give you some thought :wink:
:shocked:
makes you wonder why anyone ever bought one :lipsrsealed:
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Go for the intergra. Not that much slower to 60. Looks better, handles like its on rails. My mate got one imported. Cost him 3.5k all together, biut its one hell of a car
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Keep the golf,
I has a ep3 for two years lovley car nippy everything u would expect fro
A hot hatch,but
THe built quality of a golf is far superior even against my mk4 golf,
If ur were going jap go integra much more prettier lol
Where about do you live mate? Wasnt many EP3's about when i lived on the island.
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I spent the same a month on my CTR for fuel as my R32 to give you some thought :wink:
:shocked:
makes you wonder why anyone ever bought one :lipsrsealed:
It was 100x more fun than the R32 though, even if it wasnt as fast.