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General => General discussion => Topic started by: mcgee9t2 on 18 November 2011, 12:18
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Me and a few mates have planned to go away for 2 days and basically have a big piss up see mates we havent seen for a year or so ect ect ect.
We were going to be getting the train at 10 tomorow. he has just rang me saying his boss has just told him hes working 4pm-4am tomorow up to christmas (he cant take a day holiday cause apaarentlybits too short notice) now that seems out of order to me. Hes fine with starting the shifts on sunday. ect. But as you can see that compleatly f**ks up. the planns weve had for months.
Anything he can do cause if you ask me thats not right saying oh your working these shifts for the next 6week and its enough notice for you to have to work them but not enough to take a days holiday
and dont turn this into a hes lucky to have a job screw your plans ect. Thread its more the principle of respect for each other hes happy to work the shifts starting on sunday. hed even take a days unpaid leve instead of holiday but his boss says its too short notice
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My company ask for 48 hours notice for holidays etc and the normal is the same grace from the employer but it does all depend what is written in his Contract of Employment really. If the Contract states hours to suit the company (which a lot tend to do nowadays) then there is not a lot he can do. Check the small print first but not really on and he could not be sacked for refusing to give up a days holiday which has been booked for some time.
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You/he needs to have a look at his contract. If he's fixed hours/times then he can appeal, as it were.
If it just says something like 40 hours 5 days out of 7. Then his manager has the right to decide when those hours are allocated. Notice of new shifts would again be in his contract.
By the way. Its etc, as in Et cetera. A Latin expression that means "and other things", or "and so forth"
Not ETC.
HTH
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he could not be sacked for refusing to give up a days holiday which has been booked for some time.
it wasnt a days holiday, normally he works day shifts but occasionally does a week or two of night shifts and today they decided hes on nights for the next 6 weeks but isnt alowed to take a days holiday cause its too short notice.
You/he needs to have a look at his contract. If he's fixed hours/times then he can appeal, as it were.
If it just says something like 40 hours 5 days out of 7. Then his manager has the right to decide when those hours are allocated. Notice of new shifts would again be in his contract.
By the way. Its etc, as in Et cetera. A Latin expression that means "and other things", or "and so forth"
Not ETC.
HTH
i always get ect and etc mixed up :grin: cheers i will tell him to have a look at his contract ect.
the main reason he really wants the day off is cause noone really wants to go and leave him behind and weve all declined/rearanged other things to do this and would be out of pocket if we dont go and sorted out places to stay and others have used up the last of there holidays from work to have this weekend off ect and this is the last time we will be able to do this untill like march or something cause of other commitments
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i always get ect and etc mixed up
So do many people... :tongue:
By the way. Its etc, as in Et cetera. A Latin expression that means "and other things", or "and so forth"
Not ETC.
HTH
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has he tried talking to his boss about this situation?
what was the reason for such short notice? not very good management skils imo
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Damn you! JV.
LOL!
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has he tried talking to his boss about this situation?
what was the reason for such short notice? not very good management skils imo
not sure for the reason for such short notice as i said its my mate not me. all i know is he went into work this morning, started grafting away then his manager came up to him and said your shifts are changing your on continental shifts now (meaning 4-4) starting tomorow, he said can i have a days holiday tomorow and his boss said no not unless you have a funeral to attend or simelar and walked off.
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Sounds like he didn't book the time off.
Even if my time off is a weekend I still book it so work know I have plans .
Prior planning prevents piss poor performance :smiley:
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Sounds like he didn't book the time off.
Even if my time off is a weekend I still book it so work know I have plans .
Prior planning prevents piss poor performance :smiley:
he couldnt book a days holiday though, he normally works mon-fri days, so couldnt take a days holiday when he wasnt ment to be working that day.
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Sounds like he didn't book the time off.
Even if my time off is a weekend I still book it so work know I have plans .
Prior planning prevents piss poor performance :smiley:
+1
Your mate could pull a sickie...
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Your mate should just tell his boss that he has given him insufficient notice and had made plans to go away the weekend and will they refund his hotel cost as its too late to cancel.
When boss says not paying hotel cost then mate can take time off.
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has he tried talking to his boss about this situation?
what was the reason for such short notice? not very good management skils imo
not sure for the reason for such short notice as i said its my mate not me. all i know is he went into work this morning, started grafting away then his manager came up to him and said your shifts are changing your on continental shifts now (meaning 4-4) starting tomorow, he said can i have a days holiday tomorow and his boss said no not unless you have a funeral to attend or simelar and walked off.
Well.... sounds like your gonna have to plan a fake funeral then?
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has he tried talking to his boss about this situation?
what was the reason for such short notice? not very good management skils imo
not sure for the reason for such short notice as i said its my mate not me. all i know is he went into work this morning, started grafting away then his manager came up to him and said your shifts are changing your on continental shifts now (meaning 4-4) starting tomorow, he said can i have a days holiday tomorow and his boss said no not unless you have a funeral to attend or simelar and walked off.
Well.... sounds like your gonna have to plan a fake funeral then?
or just top the boss. 2 birds one stone :smiley:
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Sounds like he didn't book the time off.
Even if my time off is a weekend I still book it so work know I have plans .
Prior planning prevents piss poor performance :smiley:
Wonder where you got this one from Chuff .. Haha...
I would say sh!t happens.. Suck it up sweetheart, happens all the time in the military.. Don't it Chuff.
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Sounds like he didn't book the time off.
Even if my time off is a weekend I still book it so work know I have plans .
Prior planning prevents piss poor performance :smiley:
Wonder where you got this one from Chuff .. Haha...
I would say sh!t happens.. Suck it up sweetheart, happens all the time in the military.. Don't it Chuff.
Likewise here. Even if you have it booked of as holiday dont mean nothing.
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I would say his boss would need to give more than 24 hours notice for a change in shift pattern, unless his contract says otherwise.
Even so, the notice period does seem unreasonable.
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Think were just going to have to sack the whole thing off. :sad: ah well ...
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I work shifts, including weekends, nights, bank holidays, etc. But we have a rota that we know 3 months in advance and we have a rule that shifts cannot be changed with less than 2 weeks notice, unless you agree to it (and you are allowed to decline). If they don't adhere to the rules, we have a union that will enforce it with management.
We do have some people that have agreed to a contract that means they can be given 48hrs notice of a shift, but they get paid an extra 10% of their salary to live with the unpredictability of this and they can book "Protected Days Off", ie if you have something planned you notify them, then they can't book you to work on those days.
Sounds like he needs to a) check his contract and b)consult a union.
It's definately poor management when they turn around and tell someone they have to work nights for the next 6 weeks starting tomorrow.
But it might be unavoidable, ie if the person who was meant to be working the nightshifts had an accident or is seriously ill. There's nothing you can do, work still has to be done.
At my work, if that happened, they would ask everyone to volunteer for overtime to cover the shifts.
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Sure he's not just skint and making excuses to get out of your w.end of pissing up. :undecided:
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nah hes not skint. payday for him is thursday at midnight. so he got paid yesterday
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Sounds like he didn't book the time off.
Even if my time off is a weekend I still book it so work know I have plans .
Prior planning prevents piss poor performance :smiley:
Wonder where you got this one from Chuff .. Haha...
I would say sh!t happens.. Suck it up sweetheart, happens all the time in the military.. Don't it Chuff.
Pretty sure I am yet to experience this :lipsrsealed: :sad:
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I would say his boss would need to give more than 24 hours notice for a change in shift pattern, unless his contract says otherwise.
Even so, the notice period does seem unreasonable.
That's right, if they demand notice, then it should work both ways.
I don't get paid overtime, so if I really don't want to do it, I don't. f**k them I say, there's no promotion looming so they can shove it.