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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: Elios_l on 08 November 2011, 13:09
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Easy all I have a mk3 8v GTI and am obviously disappointed with the performance (considering the car was bought as 16v, but was miss-registered by the original VW garage!) I do however love my car and have spent some time and money on it.
I am currently toying with the idea of buying an Mk5 GTI engine and dropping it as a long on-going project has anybody attempted this and can offer advice or does anybody have any sort of ideas on the matter.
Cheers :D
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1.8t is a good choice, mk5 conversion is major work.
Btw how the hell do you buy a 8v thinking it is a 16v, they look completely different under the bonnet. :undecided:
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Mate try a 16v or VR6 first then get really ambitious!
Go have a look at kells/F17BAD's thread and his S3 engine swap.
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Mk5 engine been put in a mk2. Expect to pay at least 5k!
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tfsi engine?
it's not just the engine, it's everything connected to it.
I've looked into this and it's a lot of work and money.
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i was gonna do a 2.0 TFSI and i found out i needed the whole donor car loom from the handbrake forward, theirs also issues on the height of the engine
its a lot of work and a hell of a lot of cash, was was very expense to do as it was...
and after battles against modified TFSI powered cars i can confirm you will be more than happy with 1.8T :wink: :evil:
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i was gonna do a 2.0 TFSI and i found out i needed the whole donor car loom from the handbrake forward, theirs also issues on the height of the engine
its a lot of work and a hell of a lot of cash, was was very expense to do as it was...
and after battles against modified TFSI powered cars i can confirm you will be more than happy with 1.8T :wink: :evil:
after the amount of research I'v done on vrt's and listening to you, I'm very temped to do a BAM :lipsrsealed:
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Tweed you know the score :evil: proper love mine, and with the downpipe and exhaust i have it sounds fookin awesome, not loud at all, infact its quite on idle, but when it under full load you get like a grunting noise from the actual engine, plus the turbo and induction noises which is a great experience
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1.8t ftw, quite a simple conversion now, especially with a GTI and even more so with a valver. A tuned K04 lump is more than enough for a bit of fun.
There is a PnP kit for the 2.0T now isnt there?
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[quote author=Wayne link=topic=211818.msg1962769#msg1962769 date=1320757903
Btw how the hell do you buy a 8v thinking it is a 16v, they look completely different under the bonnet. :undecided:
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Relative N00b when it comes to car mechanics but i find it really interesting and have been learning as i go. The car was registered as a 16V and after i bought it and began doing work on it i found that it had been registered as a 16V from day one, was pretty pissed off!
Does anybody know of any 1.8T Mk3 mods on here so i could have a look for ideas Have looked into getting a VR6 engine which would be a better choice in terms of performance/ cost /ease of job.
Cheers for posts back :D
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1.8t ftw, quite a simple conversion now, especially with a GTI and even more so with a valver. A tuned K04 lump is more than enough for a bit of fun.
There is a PnP kit for the 2.0T now isnt there?
using the stock bosch med9 ecu apparently too. i think possibly qpeng have figured out which parts of the loom you can do away with, de-immoblised the ecu and turned off some of the can related shiz.
i might have to have a bash.. :nerd:
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using the stock bosch med9 ecu apparently too. i think possibly qpeng have figured out which parts of the loom you can do away with, de-immoblised the ecu and turned off some of the can related shiz.
i might have to have a bash.. :nerd:
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topher who does the BAM engine loom modding and how much would it cost to do? as im too thinking about going down kells route as my mates a mech and knows his stuff about the bams (he has a cupra R BAM remapped) and i drove it and felt just like mine but with LOADS more powaaah. another reason is that the 1.8t is alot more fuel eco than my 8v or a VRG :tongue: and he pushed me to go for the BAM lump :lipsrsealed:
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Its not two VW's bolted together is it? thats a long time to go un discovered :undecided:
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topher who does the BAM engine loom modding and how much would it cost to do? as im too thinking about going down kells route as my mates a mech and knows his stuff about the bams (he has a cupra R BAM remapped) and i drove it and felt just like mine but with LOADS more powaaah. another reason is that the 1.8t is alot more fuel eco than my 8v or a VRG :tongue: and he pushed me to go for the BAM lump :lipsrsealed:
i can do the conversion for you at a good price if you supply all the bits.. using the OEM looms and ECU :wink:
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topher who does the BAM engine loom modding and how much would it cost to do? as im too thinking about going down kells route as my mates a mech and knows his stuff about the bams (he has a cupra R BAM remapped) and i drove it and felt just like mine but with LOADS more powaaah. another reason is that the 1.8t is alot more fuel eco than my 8v or a VRG :tongue: and he pushed me to go for the BAM lump :lipsrsealed:
i can do the conversion for you at a good price if you supply all the bits.. using the OEM looms and ECU :wink:
thanks for the offer kells bud. i want to do it myself and my mate who knows his stuff about bams is going to help me. what about the loom? what would you want to charge to mod the loom for me if i provide it to you next time im up in dews?
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rubjonny can do a loom for around £100 if you supply the 16v mk3 and 1.8t loom
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http://www.qpeng.com/component/option,com_virtuemart/page,shop.browse/category_id,8/Itemid,75/
Expensive, but makes fitting the 2.0T a bit easier :)
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rubjonny can do a loom for around £100 if you supply the 16v mk3 and 1.8t loom
it has to be the mk3 16v loom or could it be the mk3 8v loom? what about the ecu?
also does the MFA work with the modded loom?
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I guess ideally you would want the loom for the car you are going from so you can use the same fan control switch relay and a couple other things I cant remember off the top of my head, 99% of the plugs are the same on all mk3s for the things you will be keeping so it doesnt matter too much. I used a 16v loom as I couldn't send him my 8v loom due to my car being my daily driver. Drop him a pm, he's the most helpful guy in the world no question is too much and I should know with the amount of random noob questions I sent his way while I was doing mine :grin:
Everything including mfa works just as it did in the mk3, only thing that wont work out the box so to speak is oil temp but that can be fixed by adding a t-piece with a temp sensor into one of the pressure sensor lines
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I'll second that about rubjonny! No question is too much, never failed me and always really helpful and friendly!
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I to am in your position, I love the car, but the performance could be better. I'm looking at the 1.8t conversion, as the mk4 gti is quick, so imagine the same engine in a lighter, smaller car. can only be epic wins.
besides, it'll shut a few of the smug mk4 drivers up around your area ;)
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rubjonny can do a loom for around £100 if you supply the 16v mk3 and 1.8t loom
it has to be the mk3 16v loom or could it be the mk3 8v loom? what about the ecu?
also does the MFA work with the modded loom?
I used my 8v loom and the S3 loom. Only bits left of 8v loom is where it joins fuse box really. All engine side is S3 as is the ECU
My clocks MFA all works as standard
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If i go for the 1.8T from the Mk4 do i need to switch the gearbox as well or just ecu and loom? Anyone who has done it what sort of performance do you get? Cheers
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If i go for the 1.8T from the Mk4 do i need to switch the gearbox as well or just ecu and loom? Anyone who has done it what sort of performance do you get? Cheers
You can use a mk3 16V gearbox, power wise 150bhp standard but a remap will get you close to or just over 200bhp.
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as wayne says you can use the 16v 02a gearbox, and will get around 200bhp with a remap (which is the standard thing to do) but IMO it feels like you have a lot more as due to the weight and clutch/flywheel/gearbox combo you get crazy amounts of torque and it just keeps pulling and pulling!
there are a few different 1.8ts you can use but the 150 standard ones will be far the cheapest
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as wayne says you can use the 16v 02a gearbox, and will get around 200bhp with a remap (which is the standard thing to do) but IMO it feels like you have a lot more as due to the weight and clutch/flywheel/gearbox combo you get crazy amounts of torque and it just keeps pulling and pulling!
there are a few different 1.8ts you can use but the 150 standard ones will be far the cheapest
big question is, how much power can the 16v box handle?
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as wayne says you can use the 16v 02a gearbox, and will get around 200bhp with a remap (which is the standard thing to do) but IMO it feels like you have a lot more as due to the weight and clutch/flywheel/gearbox combo you get crazy amounts of torque and it just keeps pulling and pulling!
there are a few different 1.8ts you can use but the 150 standard ones will be far the cheapest
big question is, how much power can the 16v box handle?
The bigger problem is torque :smiley:
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i let you know soon haha, currently got just under 300ibft but this will go up when the big turbo comes
But the Gearbox's are cheap enough to replace.
i use a VR6 Clutch kit by Sachs..
either way, 200bhp in your MK3 will make you feel like a king, honest if i had known this i may not have even bothered going for the S3 lump.. i had a broken MAF at first, and was well down on powe because of it (189 bhp vagcom said) i was smoking everything including absolutly killing VR6's etc
the big problem is traction, i mean ill be getting my remap finished so ill be around 270 bhp, but before the big turbo i need a LSD which costs $$$$$ if not, theirs no point in more power as it will be just wasted (and so will my rubber)
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i know what you mean kells. LSDs start about the £700 mark? all they do is limit spinning the wheels??? what other benefit do you get from an LSD?
also which other box will fit the AMK/BAM engine? 2.9 rado CHW code? as the bhp on a 2.9 is 190 and me thinking CHW box will be just right (without a remap) or am i just talking bubbles? :grin:
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p.s not sure if this is any good but ive found this quaife's diffs???
http://www.quaife.co.uk/shop/search/results/taxonomy%3A824%2C621%2C483%2C484 (http://www.quaife.co.uk/shop/search/results/taxonomy%3A824%2C621%2C483%2C484)
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2.9 rado CHW code? as the bhp on a 2.9 is 190 and me thinking CHW box will be just right (without a remap) or am i just talking bubbles? :grin:
VR6 box will not fit due to different bellhousing
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just fit a 16v box.. everyone does it :wink:
you will be fine without LSD unless like me you are going for huge power
remember folks.. this is not a cheap game
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who got the dec PVW mag?
I've been waiting to read about that mk2 for years. I know it's a mk2 but I'm more interested in the 1.9 20v t build
buy it kids
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i know what you mean kells. LSDs start about the £700 mark? all they do is limit spinning the wheels??? what other benefit do you get from an LSD?
also which other box will fit the AMK/BAM engine? 2.9 rado CHW code? as the bhp on a 2.9 is 190 and me thinking CHW box will be just right (without a remap) or am i just talking bubbles? :grin:
An LSD basically transfers the torque to the wheel with the most grip as oposed to a normal diff which does the exact opposite. So as you can imagine, the power gets laid down a LOT better with an lsd because rather than just throwing more power through an already spinning wheel and costing you a tyre it transfers it to the other wheel, once that starts losing traction and the other starts gaining then it switches again :cool:
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tbh unless you go mental power like kells you will be fine with a 16v box, you just need to be aware that planting your foot will get you wheel spin in 1st and 2nd, and 3rd if its wet or you are giving someone a good thrashing :grin:
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cheers guys for that.
i have placed some parts on order to get the ball rolling as i know that if i dont it will neveer happen :evil:
16v clocks but as mine is anni i wanted the 16v anni clocks like kells but well see
16v loom
twin rad fan setup
clutch pedal (full setup in gear shifter)
16v rear mount
sorry ive high jacked someones thread :embarassed:
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Your 8v loom will be fine mate, dont waste the money on a 16v one :wink:
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What's happens with throttle cable can it still be used or do you have to go drive by wire?
Also is it a lot easier to start with a 16v? That way could you just remove engine and leave gearbox in.
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tbh unless you go mental power like kells you will be fine with a 16v box, you just need to be aware that planting your foot will get you wheel spin in 1st and 2nd, and 3rd if its wet or you are giving someone a good thrashing :grin:
After a while, the spinning and not really getting anywhere gets boring and high cruising revs in 5th points to gearbox mods.
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What's happens with throttle cable can it still be used or do you have to go drive by wire?
Also is it a lot easier to start with a 16v? That way could you just remove engine and leave gearbox in.
depends which way you go, Qpeng and you need a sh!tty cable and GTI TB, go for a early 20VT like a AGU, and you need to go cable as thats what these were
later engines were the better DBW... this is much better, but you need the accelerator pedal off the donor car as you have to wire it into the loom to the ECU
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cheers guys for that.
i have placed some parts on order to get the ball rolling as i know that if i dont it will neveer happen :evil:
16v clocks but as mine is anni i wanted the 16v anni clocks like kells but well see
16v loom
twin rad fan setup
clutch pedal (full setup in gear shifter)
16v rear mount
sorry ive high jacked someones thread :embarassed:
you don't need a 16v loom mate.. use your own loom
you don't need clutch pedal, use your own as yours is a later 8v so it has provisions on your pedal box for Hydro set up
Twin rads is not needed if you can't get one but i used one
get all new mounts, all 3 i can supply part number sif need be
16v annie clocks were a major issue to get hold of mate, i had to blag a guy on ebay who was selling his 16v annie and if it wasn't for him checking my build thread and seeing my hard work, id never have got those clocks
you can use the 8v ones but believe me 140mph is nothing.. mine charges past this EASILY
i will reply to your inbox message in detail mate atr - still not had chance :smiley:
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Some quality stuff on here! should deffo be making a more frequent visit on to the forums :smiley: Just to check though would it not be better to buy the same gearbox out of the Mk4 as i have the 8V or it irt a case of being able to mount it properly?
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Mk4 gearbox is a bit big and I believe does not match up to the mounts, even if it does fit in the engine bay....
8v gearbox will be a bit weak with all that extra torque and will last about 5 mins especialy if its got a lot of miles on it :smiley: