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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Guy on 03 November 2011, 10:03
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so erm... my broadband is pants at the moment and i am paying a lot for it as I am on an old contract with BT that I haven't bothered to change
Sky have recently pulled their fingers out of their arseholes and been enabled on my local exchange... if I moved to sky I would save in the region of £40/month
now... BT FTTC (which i understand is infinity broadband in laymans terms) is being enabled at the end of march (it was end of sep, then end dec so it is being constantly pushed back).. this would give me at a guesstimate about 40mb - a significant increase from my measly 1.5max which I am getting now
BUT - here is the question - if I was with sky would I benefit from FTTC implementation... ie. would the increase in speed to the cabinet and lack of data loss benefit me even if I was with sky (who offer up to 20mb speeds - which would be plenty) and not signed up to bt infinity??
OR - is it worth holding out for BT infinity?
i have very little option in the way of other service providers and the sky option is the one that will save me most money in the long run so i might be stuck with skys terrific customer service etc but I will just have to live with that
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/THEV (http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/THEV)
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Have you checked your line speed with Sky?
For 7.50 per month, Sky unlimited is awesome.
If you're after fiberoptic then you can always go with Sky and wait.
Sky are trialling FTTC (fiber to the curb/cabinet)
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/news/sky-begin-fttc-trial-397.html
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Have you checked your line speed with Sky?
For 7.50 per month, Sky unlimited is awesome.
If you're after fiberoptic then you can always go with Sky and wait.
Sky are trialling FTTC (fiber to the curb)
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/news/sky-begin-fttc-trial-397.html
yes this is the result - Estimated Access Line Speed: 0.3Mbps - 1.5Mbps
which is why I am asking whether FTTC (fibre to the cabinet) will benefit me if I am with sky when it is implemented by BT
My usage is such that I do not need more than 2gb at the moment so the £7.50 is money I can save
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What you've got there is your EALS (Estimated access line speed)
You ideally need to know your MALS.
It's best to ring and ask what your MALS is.
Missread your post.. Sorry. it most likely will not benefit you with Sky, as this is good old ADSL.
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What you've got there is your EALS (Estimated access line speed)
You ideally need to know your MALS.
It's best to ring and ask what your MALS is.
Missread your post.. Sorry. it most likely will not benefit you with Sky, as this is good old ADSL.
MALS? :huh:
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What you've got there is your EALS (Estimated access line speed)
You ideally need to know your MALS.
It's best to ring and ask what your MALS is.
Missread your post.. Sorry. it most likely will not benefit you with Sky, as this is good old ADSL.
MALS? :huh:
MALS? anyone? :huh: :undecided:
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Minimum access line speed. Sorry mate.
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Depends i mean if you are not using it for downloading then you wont need a Uber fast connection bud id suggest save your money and go with sky TBH I use BT but thats only because no other company has there Equipment here.. I simply phoned up BT upgraded to HUb 3 and said i was going to leave to sky and they reduced me from£25 on tarriff 3 to £12.50 a mth with a 16mb connection so worth Haggling
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Sorry if i've not made MALS clear.
Example.
MALS - 4mbps
EALS - 6mbps - 12mps
So MALS is the speed you are promised, but you could get up to 12.
It's good because it stops the whole "you can get 100mbps!" when in reality you get 2mbps.
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thank you.. i pretty much know that without FTTC my speed is going to be pretty dire... but I can live with that at such a cost saving
its paying through the nose for sh!te broadband speed that i can't stand!
i will only be using it for general surfing etc when at home
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which is why I am asking whether FTTC (fibre to the cabinet) will benefit me if I am with sky when it is implemented by BT
Yes and no.
No, in the sense that having your cab fibre enabled will not likely enhance your ADSL connection speeds.
Yes, in the sense that, if Sky take advantage of the fibre, you could change your ADSL presentation to FTTC (assuming they let you switch mid contract).
The FTTC delivery dates are fairly vague at best. BT Openreach have a definitive document that has confirmed dates for the next exchanges rolled out, everything else just has a far-future date as an estimate.
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thank you.. i pretty much know that without FTTC my speed is going to be pretty dire... but I can live with that at such a cost saving
its paying through the nose for sh!te broadband speed that i can't stand!
i will only be using it for general surfing etc when at home
Well at £7.50 per month for unlimited, sky's pretty good.
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Just because Samknows says you can haz FTTC, does not mean you can haz FTTC. Even if your exchange is enabled, dun mean your green box has it or will have it anytime soon.
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/SMSM
We're an ISP and don't even know when we'll have it in our Oxford office so are getting a leased line put in for the hell of it as everything we host is in Lundun on ze 'back bone'.
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thank you.. i pretty much know that without FTTC my speed is going to be pretty dire... but I can live with that at such a cost saving
its paying through the nose for sh!te broadband speed that i can't stand!
i will only be using it for general surfing etc when at home
Well at £7.50 per month for unlimited, sky's pretty good.
Or paying nothing and having as much usage as I'll need anyway is even better! :)
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thank you.. i pretty much know that without FTTC my speed is going to be pretty dire... but I can live with that at such a cost saving
its paying through the nose for sh!te broadband speed that i can't stand!
i will only be using it for general surfing etc when at home
Well at £7.50 per month for unlimited, sky's pretty good.
Or paying nothing and having as much usage as I'll need anyway is even better! :)
Lol, everyday lite then. 2.0GB a month enough?
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thank you.. i pretty much know that without FTTC my speed is going to be pretty dire... but I can live with that at such a cost saving
its paying through the nose for sh!te broadband speed that i can't stand!
i will only be using it for general surfing etc when at home
Well at £7.50 per month for unlimited, sky's pretty good.
Or paying nothing and having as much usage as I'll need anyway is even better! :)
Lol, everyday lite then. 2.0GB a month enough?
plenty :)
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We're an ISP and don't even know when we'll have it in our Oxford office so are getting a leased line put in for the hell of it as everything we host is in Lundun on ze 'back bone'.
Leased line? Any reason you're not just going with copper/fibre EFM - comparatively the SLAs are similar, but pricing differs significantly.
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which is why I am asking whether FTTC (fibre to the cabinet) will benefit me if I am with sky when it is implemented by BT
Yes and no.
No, in the sense that having your cab fibre enabled will not likely enhance your ADSL connection speeds.
Yes, in the sense that, if Sky take advantage of the fibre, you could change your ADSL presentation to FTTC (assuming they let you switch mid contract).
The FTTC delivery dates are fairly vague at best. BT Openreach have a definitive document that has confirmed dates for the next exchanges rolled out, everything else just has a far-future date as an estimate.
cheers Ben - thank you for your input... what you say about FTTC dates actually makes a lot of sense... just because its at the exchange don't mean its at the cabinet!! doh!
Sky it is.. thanks for your help everyone!
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We're an ISP and don't even know when we'll have it in our Oxford office so are getting a leased line put in for the hell of it as everything we host is in Lundun on ze 'back bone'.
Leased line? Any reason you're not just going with copper/fibre EFM - comparatively the SLAs are similar, but pricing differs significantly.
MD decision after researching which options to go for and whats available in our area etc, minimum of 100Mb burstable to 1Gb :cool:
and we're sharing it with a customer in the same building as us who use naff all :grin:
cost to us = little compared to what it would normally cost :wink:
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@Jay, I wouldn't mind seeing some pricing information on a 100/1000MB line (100MB commit on 1GB line).
We use two DC's in Manchester for our rackspace, but we're moving into new premises and are dropping in a 10/100MB EFM fibre line for our day-to-day ops, looking to partition the remainder to other tenants in the building.
Which ISP do you work for?
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I'm in the same boat
02=£15.00 4.5-5.5Mbps used to get 7.5, but have a long ADSL cable from master socket to router. Unlimited downloads
BT line £20.00 (rapes me) thats just line rental
Sky £44.00 standard chanels with sport.
So I pay about £79.00 per month what package would be good I was thinking Virgin
My mobile phone is about £15.00 per month, but I get 1000m landline, 1000m cross network & 100 texts on vodafone.
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I'm in the same boat
02=£15.00 4.5-5.5Mbps used to get 7.5, but have a long ADSL cable from master socket to router. Unlimited downloads
BT line £20.00 (rapes me) thats just line rental
Sky £44.00 standard chanels with sport.
So I pay about £79.00 per month what package would be good I was thinking Virgin
My mobile phone is about £15.00 per month, but I get 1000m landline, 1000m cross network & 100 texts on vodafone.
Sky TV with sports - £45.00
Sky Line rental - £12.25
Sky Broadband Ulimited - £7.50
£64.75 :cool:
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which is why I am asking whether FTTC (fibre to the cabinet) will benefit me if I am with sky when it is implemented by BT
Yes and no.
No, in the sense that having your cab fibre enabled will not likely enhance your ADSL connection speeds.
Yes, in the sense that, if Sky take advantage of the fibre, you could change your ADSL presentation to FTTC (assuming they let you switch mid contract).
The FTTC delivery dates are fairly vague at best. BT Openreach have a definitive document that has confirmed dates for the next exchanges rolled out, everything else just has a far-future date as an estimate.
cheers Ben - thank you for your input... what you say about FTTC dates actually makes a lot of sense... just because its at the exchange don't mean its at the cabinet!! doh!
Sky it is.. thanks for your help everyone!
No probs. Did you manage to get your MALS from Sky?
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I'm in the same boat
02=£15.00 4.5-5.5Mbps used to get 7.5, but have a long ADSL cable from master socket to router. Unlimited downloads
BT line £20.00 (rapes me) thats just line rental
Sky £44.00 standard chanels with sport.
So I pay about £79.00 per month what package would be good I was thinking Virgin
My mobile phone is about £15.00 per month, but I get 1000m landline, 1000m cross network & 100 texts on vodafone.
Does Sky still charge for 0845 0870 numbers thats why I was reluctant to switch?
Plus I heard Sky had stoppages on fair use policy i.e it was capped even though you had more speed?
Sky TV with sports - £45.00
Sky Line rental - £12.25
Sky Broadband Ulimited - £7.50
£64.75 :cool:
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I'm in the same boat
02=£15.00 4.5-5.5Mbps used to get 7.5, but have a long ADSL cable from master socket to router. Unlimited downloads
BT line £20.00 (rapes me) thats just line rental
Sky £44.00 standard chanels with sport.
So I pay about £79.00 per month what package would be good I was thinking Virgin
My mobile phone is about £15.00 per month, but I get 1000m landline, 1000m cross network & 100 texts on vodafone.
Does Sky still charge for 0845 0870 numbers thats why I was reluctant to switch?
Plus I heard Sky had stoppages on fair use policy i.e it was capped even though you had more speed?
Sky TV with sports - £45.00
Sky Line rental - £12.25
Sky Broadband Ulimited - £7.50
£64.75 :cool:
Yeah, but not if you're calling Sky. So, Sky's 0844 no is free from a Sky Line. 0845 costs, however.
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Thats the issue with Virgin I only run BT line because I use alot of the 0845 numbers and some of Virgin and Sky charge upto 1.50+ per minutes if I add all those calls it would be more than my £20.00 per month?
My broadband is actually £9.00 if I top up my wifes PAYGO £10 per every three months sometimes I forget and have to pay £15.00.
Have you had any breakages or cutting out experience on the sky broadband?
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Have you had any breakages or cutting out experience on the sky broadband?
Sky BB is the most stable i've ever used.
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I'm in the same boat
02=£15.00 4.5-5.5Mbps used to get 7.5, but have a long ADSL cable from master socket to router. Unlimited downloads
BT line £20.00 (rapes me) thats just line rental
Sky £44.00 standard chanels with sport.
So I pay about £79.00 per month what package would be good I was thinking Virgin
My mobile phone is about £15.00 per month, but I get 1000m landline, 1000m cross network & 100 texts on vodafone.
Sky TV with sports - £45.00
Sky Line rental - £12.25
Sky Broadband Ulimited - £7.50
£64.75 :cool:
my costs work out just about as follows
BT line & broadband £40/month
Sky £20/month
or
Sky broadband lite & TV £20/month
Sky line rental £12.25/month
total saving - £27.75/month - whats not to like! :evil:
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Bt line and broadband cant be £40 mate i have line with Bt and broadband and i have the max package and i am £26 a mth with line rental.... Phone them and say your going to sky they will price match on there lower tarriff ie £7.50
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Bt line and broadband cant be £40 mate i have line with Bt and broadband and i have the max package and i am £26 a mth with line rental.... Phone them and say your going to sky they will price match on there lower tarriff ie £7.50
it can be if you haven't changed it for years!
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okey dokey
I have just made the plunge..
i was going to go with sky's 'lite' (free) option but they wanted £60 activation fee, instead they offered the 'unlimited' broadband option at £7.50/month which is free for the first three months... so that works out at £67.50/year and that can be cancelled (i think at any time after 3 months)
they do all the donkey work of getting mac addresses off bt
so all in it is looking just about ok.. will update on how activation goes... i am sure it'll all go tits up somewhere but can't say that I am going to get all that excited about it
oh - and I am getting sky movies free for 2 months... as long as I cancel with 1 months notice (dec 7th) I won't have to pay any extra... so movies it is for christmas then!! :)
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and then I discover today that BT is putting up its prices!! :grin:
https://www.pricechange.bt.com/broadband?s_cid=con_email_Ogilvy_111710_0649_Dotcom-Paper-free_PAPFRDIBBLRS1 (https://www.pricechange.bt.com/broadband?s_cid=con_email_Ogilvy_111710_0649_Dotcom-Paper-free_PAPFRDIBBLRS1)
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Thats the issue with Virgin I only run BT line because I use alot of the 0845 numbers and some of Virgin and Sky charge upto 1.50+ per minutes if I add all those calls it would be more than my £20.00 per month?
My broadband is actually £9.00 if I top up my wifes PAYGO £10 per every three months sometimes I forget and have to pay £15.00.
Have you had any breakages or cutting out experience on the sky broadband?
I am on virgin and use
http://www.saynoto0870.com/
and its never let me down for a geographical number, even the child support agency, infact i ring them more now just to wind them up as its free :grin:
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Thats the issue with Virgin I only run BT line because I use alot of the 0845 numbers and some of Virgin and Sky charge upto 1.50+ per minutes if I add all those calls it would be more than my £20.00 per month?
My broadband is actually £9.00 if I top up my wifes PAYGO £10 per every three months sometimes I forget and have to pay £15.00.
Have you had any breakages or cutting out experience on the sky broadband?
I am on virgin and use
http://www.saynoto0870.com/
and its never let me down for a geographical number, even the child support agency, infact i ring them more now just to wind them up as its free :grin:
Hey Chuff I've done the sums properly
BT £6.00 Call back call waiting which I don't use October Bill £19.90
Sky with Sports £44.00
O2 broadband curently only 6Mps unlimited £14.50
Total = £78.00 odd
My sky has been cancelled from this month
I've taken out the call waiting call back -£6.00
Down to £28.40
Now Virgin do the tivo for about £23 pounds with TIVO free installation fee?
Buy broadband, TV and phone together and get:
£60 off
Free TiVo activation worth £49.95
Free installation worth £49.95*
Or save up to £129.90 when you buy any two of our broadband, TV and phone services online, with:
£30 off Free TiVo activation worth £49.95 (when you take Virgin TV)Free installation worth £49.95*
Is this right? But I have to get a Virgin line for another £13.50?
So I would be paying total of £36.50 odd?
How does this work I'm not sure on the way they spread the costs or is it free or you pay upfront then they rebate yopu back every month on your bill? Anyone know what the pros and cons are on that deal? becuase it looks bloody good for the money I've never used cable but its got to be better than my 6Mps on my bad exchange from BT and o2?
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before you get virgin I need to do a search for a thread. :huh:
give me an hour, will PM you :kiss:
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before you get virgin I need to do a search for a thread. :huh:
give me an hour, will PM you :kiss:
Cheers bud appreciated! :cool:
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Sent :wink: any further issues PM me right back :smiley:
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Cheers Chuff liking what I see indeed! Hope it can be sorted before Christmas
Did you keep your own BT number or will they let you anyways?
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Cheers Chuff liking what I see indeed!
Oh, tell all, whats the secret here!
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Shhooo its the magic circle its back PM him Ben :grin: :lipsrsealed:
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okey dokey
I have just made the plunge..
i was going to go with sky's 'lite' (free) option but they wanted £60 activation fee, instead they offered the 'unlimited' broadband option at £7.50/month which is free for the first three months... so that works out at £67.50/year and that can be cancelled (i think at any time after 3 months)
they do all the donkey work of getting mac addresses off bt
so all in it is looking just about ok.. will update on how activation goes... i am sure it'll all go tits up somewhere but can't say that I am going to get all that excited about it
oh - and I am getting sky movies free for 2 months... as long as I cancel with 1 months notice (dec 7th) I won't have to pay any extra... so movies it is for christmas then!! :)
Alternatively there is a 1/2 price movies and sports offer on at the moment for 3 months.
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okey dokey
I have just made the plunge..
i was going to go with sky's 'lite' (free) option but they wanted £60 activation fee, instead they offered the 'unlimited' broadband option at £7.50/month which is free for the first three months... so that works out at £67.50/year and that can be cancelled (i think at any time after 3 months)
they do all the donkey work of getting mac addresses off bt
so all in it is looking just about ok.. will update on how activation goes... i am sure it'll all go tits up somewhere but can't say that I am going to get all that excited about it
oh - and I am getting sky movies free for 2 months... as long as I cancel with 1 months notice (dec 7th) I won't have to pay any extra... so movies it is for christmas then!! :)
Alternatively there is a 1/2 price movies and sports offer on at the moment for 3 months.
but then I guess you have to pay under contract the full price for 12 months?
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okey dokey
I have just made the plunge..
i was going to go with sky's 'lite' (free) option but they wanted £60 activation fee, instead they offered the 'unlimited' broadband option at £7.50/month which is free for the first three months... so that works out at £67.50/year and that can be cancelled (i think at any time after 3 months)
they do all the donkey work of getting mac addresses off bt
so all in it is looking just about ok.. will update on how activation goes... i am sure it'll all go tits up somewhere but can't say that I am going to get all that excited about it
oh - and I am getting sky movies free for 2 months... as long as I cancel with 1 months notice (dec 7th) I won't have to pay any extra... so movies it is for christmas then!! :)
Alternatively there is a 1/2 price movies and sports offer on at the moment for 3 months.
but then I guess you have to pay under contract the full price for 12 months?
No mate, channel package upgrades do not carry a contract. Just 31 days notice to downgrade.