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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Exonian on 25 October 2011, 06:13
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I know a few of you are running Bluefin mk6s, so how do you rate it?
It is supposedly tamer than REVO so maybe won't suffer hesitation problems and DV failures quite so readily, but does it deliver the goods in the mid-range?
I really don't want to start a tuner war here, I have a LOT of experience with different tuners from 24 years of modifying VW/SEATs but have yet to try Bluefin out.
The fact that Bluefin can put a mk6 back to fully standard is a huge appeal to me but what swayed me away from it in the past towards REVO (aside from an absolutely cracking deal they gave me) was a member on another forum (wigit for those that know him) had Bluefin on his EA888 Scirocco followed by REVO and he rated the latter as much better performing.
But with the REVO I actually preferred it on their lowest setting (95 RON map) as it didn't suffer any wheelspin or torque steer like the 98 RON map but still offered a nice mid range punch.
As my car is used more and more as a dual carriageway cruiser peak BHP is of little concern to me, clutch friendly but punchy mid range torque is what I want to see as I live in a very hilly area.
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I know a few of you are running Bluefin mk6s, so how do you rate it?
It is supposedly tamer than REVO so maybe won't suffer hesitation problems and DV failures quite so readily, but does it deliver the goods in the mid-range?
I really don't want to start a tuner war here, I have a LOT of experience with different tuners from 24 years of modifying VW/SEATs but have yet to try Bluefin out.
The fact that Bluefin can put a mk6 back to fully standard is a huge appeal to me but what swayed me away from it in the past towards REVO (aside from an absolutely cracking deal they gave me) was a member on another forum (wigit for those that know him) had Bluefin on his EA888 Scirocco followed by REVO and he rated the latter as much better performing.
But with the REVO I actually preferred it on their lowest setting (95 RON map) as it didn't suffer any wheelspin or torque steer like the 98 RON map but still offered a nice mid range punch.
As my car is used more and more as a dual carriageway cruiser peak BHP is of little concern to me, clutch friendly but punchy mid range torque is what I want to see as I live in a very hilly area.
IMHO you may be waiting a while for people to confess that their cars are mapped due to them not wanting to broadcast all over the net (you know who you are :grin:) that that they have a remapped car (think posible issues with insurance, warranty, wives etc).
If I were you I'd order the bluefin and see if it floats your boat, if not you can send it back and get the REVO :wink:
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Cannot really report on Bluefin as I had Revo, but then I also had quite a few issues. Cannot 100% put them down to the map but personally I do feel it was a contributing factor (however small).
If I was to get another map then I would get a custom one every time set up specifically to the car I have. After having to take my car to a tuning house near to me quite a few times I felt they are more than capable of putting a well configured map on that suits my needs rather than a generic map for the masses.
If you dont have anywhere local that you trust, then Carbon Chip Tuning sounds like a good a place as any for this, esp now doc has plenty of VW experience and figures can always be validated through use of their rolling road. :nerd:
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Cannot really report on Bluefin as I had Revo, but then I also had quite a few issues. Cannot 100% put them down to the map but personally I do feel it was a contributing factor (however small).
If I was to get another map then I would get a custom one every time set up specifically to the car I have. After having to take my car to a tuning house near to me quite a few times I felt they are more than capable of putting a well configured map on that suits my needs rather than a generic map for the masses.
If you dont have anywhere local that you trust, then Carbon Chip Tuning sounds like a good a place as any for this, esp now doc has plenty of VW experience and figures can always be validated through use of their rolling road. :nerd:
Not a very easy task identifying a custom remap fo your car as many tuners claim this despite actually only tweaking the generic map to suit your mods/car. I too have useed numerous tuners over the years and used Bluefin on 6 different applications. I would always make the trip to their HQ in Bucks and negotiate a free dyno before and after, there maps are the safest option and tend to deliver slightly lower than claimed as they have a fairly optimistic dyno but as they offer their unique 12 month or 30,000 miles supplementary warranty it makes sense for them to be conservative and not push the limits of your car. The differnece between their stage 2+ and revo's equivalent was actually 35 bhp down on my previous S3 but the car drove very well and felt extremely lively despite this.
Revo on the other hand make larger claims for power and in my experience tend to deliver, i have had no issues with hesitation or clutch slip but i too prefer the settings a little more conservative in the FWD car as little point in wasting fuel and energy spinning the power away.
Personally I would speak to the various tuners, take the trouble to visit the HQ once the decision has been made and the level of service is then outstanding.
I don't think you will have any issues with either of the leading tuners stage 1 offerings.
If you need some contact details for either so you can discuss drop me a PM.
One thing is for sure stage 1 really enhances the driving experience and well worth the money :wink:
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Doc Thanks for the reply. There are a few on here that publicly declare they have maps and one or two are displayed in their sigs.
A thread was needed for my info request to be visible but PM'd replies aren't publicly visible for those that wish to stay under the radar. :smug: :smiley: :cool:
Gilly I've had a few REVO maps in the past with no issues and they've delivered the goods promised. But I don't always want to do the same thing twice. Nothing is perfect.
Custom maps aren't always all that custom, they're tweaked generics (been there and done that in the past) as it would be far too much hassle for a tuner to completely de-code an ECU and write a full on map for a specific car for a few hundred quid.
REVO and Superchips/VW Racing have run mk6 GTIs over significant mileages so you do have a fully tested product.
There's not a hope in hell I could get up to Doc's before next summer unfortunately, just too many commitments and it'd be a 10 hour round trip. :sad:
Spin Thanks for the info :smiley: I've spoken to a good few tuners over the years and picked up much information on how they work and who writes their maps or where they buy in the generics from.
Living in the bowels of South West England it is often hard for me to visit tuners as they tend to be a very long way away. My local REVO agent has a very good relationship with me (he's done 3 of my cars and looks after my daily driver) but I just seem to be drawn elsewhere this time.
Bluefin is cheaper than REVO and offers the warranty but could still end up being a no go for me as I may have a locked ECU yet!!
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Doc Thanks for the reply. There are a few on here that publicly declare they have maps and one or two are displayed in their sigs.
A thread was needed for my info request to be visible but PM'd replies aren't publicly visible for those that wish to stay under the radar. :smug: :smiley: :cool:
Gilly I've had a few REVO maps in the past with no issues and they've delivered the goods promised. But I don't always want to do the same thing twice. Nothing is perfect.
Custom maps aren't always all that custom, they're tweaked generics (been there and done that in the past) as it would be far too much hassle for a tuner to completely de-code an ECU and write a full on map for a specific car for a few hundred quid.
REVO and Superchips/VW Racing have run mk6 GTIs over significant mileages so you do have a fully tested product.
There's not a hope in hell I could get up to Doc's before next summer unfortunately, just too many commitments and it'd be a 10 hour round trip. :sad:
Spin Thanks for the info :smiley: I've spoken to a good few tuners over the years and picked up much information on how they work and who writes their maps or where they buy in the generics from.
Living in the bowels of South West England it is often hard for me to visit tuners as they tend to be a very long way away. My local REVO agent has a very good relationship with me (he's done 3 of my cars and looks after my daily driver) but I just seem to be drawn elsewhere this time.
Bluefin is cheaper than REVO and offers the warranty but could still end up being a no go for me as I may have a locked ECU yet!!
One day a manufacturer will make an affordable hot hatch thats perfect straight from the box and save us all a lot of time and energy but then again its a positive trait to wonder...." what if..." and keeps things interesting. Good luck with finding your own solution.
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One day a manufacturer will make an affordable hot hatch thats perfect straight from the box and save us all a lot of time and energy but then again its a positive trait to wonder...." what if..." and keeps things interesting. Good luck with finding your own solution.
Someone will still want to modify it!!
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how much is the VWR remap? my local dealership do the R conversion 265bhp for the golf for £1400 inc remap, filter and exhaust
anyone know how much just for remap?
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From VWR the remap alone is £599. From JKM (or possibly using the forum discount) Bluefin is £405.
You can sometimes pick up just the handsets that have been re-set at Superchips via forums or ebay for sensible money and then just need to purchase the software from Superchips. You will need a bit of patience and to do your homework on costs if you go for the latter.
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I had it on the MK5
Nice smooth delivery, just like stock only more
I looked at Revo when I had the MK5 but it seemed to have a large torque spike at the start and then tail off.
This will probably give you more of a kick in the back initially but to me it looks like it would put more strain on the engine.
I still had the original DV on my MK5 after 5 years with bluefin while others were failing, some more than once.
You do get used to the extra power but if you put it back to the original map you definitely notice the lack of grunt, especially mid range torque.
You can download the Stage 2 off their website for an extra £50 although they recommend an Air Intake and Exhaust upgrade.
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Thanks Mike. :smiley: :cool:
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Gilly I've had a few REVO maps in the past with no issues and they've delivered the goods promised. But I don't always want to do the same thing twice. Nothing is perfect.
Custom maps aren't always all that custom, they're tweaked generics (been there and done that in the past) as it would be far too much hassle for a tuner to completely de-code an ECU and write a full on map for a specific car for a few hundred quid.
REVO and Superchips/VW Racing have run mk6 GTIs over significant mileages so you do have a fully tested product.
There's not a hope in hell I could get up to Doc's before next summer unfortunately, just too many commitments and it'd be a 10 hour round trip. :sad:
time.
I would imagine quite a few are using generic maps, although the company I sought out did invest quite alot of time on their mk5 map, and would not doubt deliver for the mk6 also.
I know from experience they do write their own maps, as they currently have a tigra running 560hp :shocked:
... No doubt goign with the usual providers would be the best route although liek yourself I am interested to try someone elses map at some point :cool:
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Gilly I've had a few REVO maps in the past with no issues and they've delivered the goods promised. But I don't always want to do the same thing twice. Nothing is perfect.
Custom maps aren't always all that custom, they're tweaked generics (been there and done that in the past) as it would be far too much hassle for a tuner to completely de-code an ECU and write a full on map for a specific car for a few hundred quid.
REVO and Superchips/VW Racing have run mk6 GTIs over significant mileages so you do have a fully tested product.
There's not a hope in hell I could get up to Doc's before next summer unfortunately, just too many commitments and it'd be a 10 hour round trip. :sad:
time.
I would imagine quite a few are using generic maps, although the company I sought out did invest quite alot of time on their mk5 map, and would not doubt deliver for the mk6 also.
I know from experience they do write their own maps, as they currently have a tigra running 560hp :shocked:
... No doubt goign with the usual providers would be the best route although liek yourself I am interested to try someone elses map at some point :cool:
What about a company called Evolve - HQ is in Luton and they have dyno dynamics etc and I believe they do indeed write their own software. I have used them twice for BMW tuning and have run both cars for 40K each with no issues just a super smooth map, may be worth investigating, alternatively the above advice sounds good, if they can tune a tigra to that level a nice smooth map should be easy :)
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This threads been slaughtered wasn't this about bluefin? :grin:
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This threads been slaughtered wasn't this about bluefin? :grin:
Don't worry Doc, it's on the second page now so long overdue an off topic subject or two :grin:
We'll soon be back on to homosexuality and tomatoes ...
Luton might as well be in another continent as me. I've got family that live that way that I've never visited thanks to the stratospheric distance and my laziness (besides they're a bit posh and I wouldn't really fit in).
I f'kin hate driving any distance these days, I'm too tired from shiftwork and the roads are full of too many people that have forgotten what the Highway Code is between the Sunny South West and Outer Luton.
Still, it's all good reading and I'm learning as I go ... :smiley:
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Andy, I gave JKM a call a month ago due to their reputation and they do the three major chip companies - Bluefin, Revo and APR.
I found then nothing but completely and utterly helpful, they talked me through each option and the pros and cons of each. With a top draw rolling road they seem to tick my local tuning company boxes.
I'm going to pay them a visit in November after my car has its next service, after my visit I will be driving home with one of the three solutions :evil:
I read that APR allow you to control the different setting through the Cruise Control which sounds cool.
We might to meet up down there Andy and get a discount :laugh:
Jim
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well at least people haven't started to get their handbags out yet over which is best/whos dad is biggest/which shade of grey is prettiest etc...
staying on topic - I'm seriously considering a bluefin once my car has a few more miles on (I'm only on its 3rd tank of fuel ATM).
i am also considering a milltek cat back in the future (xmas present most likely) - so if i installed bluefin and at a later date fitted the cat back system would i need to change to the stage 2 map or would it run good still? i have a pipercross panel filter fitted but won't be going down the COI route.
i had a good razz up to alston a few days back and really like the car but the power curve is a little strange to what I'm used to. the torque is good but its weird how the power just stays flat thru the RPM's - my 197 needs to live between 5000-7500RPM where the golf is best between 3500-5500 IMO - anything above is a waste of time.
i would like a remap for more power thru the rev range but also for a bit more of a top end surge... not sure if this is possible with a low pressure turbo car with no serious mods.
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how much is the VWR remap? my local dealership do the R conversion 265bhp for the golf for £1400 inc remap, filter and exhaust
anyone know how much just for remap?
Just the remap is £599 but it's one written by Revo unlike the MK5 version which is supplied by Superchips (Bluefin) Apparently it's slightly tamer than the Revo pushing out 250.
Jim
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well at least people haven't started to get their handbags out yet over which is best/whos dad is biggest/which shade of grey is prettiest etc...
staying on topic - I'm seriously considering a bluefin once my car has a few more miles on (I'm only on its 3rd tank of fuel ATM).
i am also considering a milltek cat back in the future (xmas present most likely) - so if i installed bluefin and at a later date fitted the cat back system would i need to change to the stage 2 map or would it run good still? i have a pipercross panel filter fitted but won't be going down the COI route.
i had a good razz up to alston a few days back and really like the car but the power curve is a little strange to what I'm used to. the torque is good but its weird how the power just stays flat thru the RPM's - my 197 needs to live between 5000-7500RPM where the golf is best between 3500-5500 IMO - anything above is a waste of time.
i would like a remap for more power thru the rev range but also for a bit more of a top end surge... not sure if this is possible with a low pressure turbo car with no serious mods.
With a cat-back it won't impact the stage one from what I've read. If you go down the turbo-back route and/or stage 2 remap you'll need to do a number of other changes such as air induction kits etc.
Again, I'm sure the real experts will come along and correct me if I'm wrong on any of the above.
Jim
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Been running mine for 18 months - love it.
It takes 5 minutes to switch between the original map and the superchips one, I do restore to the orignal now and again for dealer visits, snow and the odd occasion the wife drives it. :cry:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=153656.msg1409840#msg1409840
Make sure you inform your insurance, some won't insure you but most will, expect an increase of around £100.
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A dealership in London, which is part of a National Franchise, is offering a Superchip Individual Map as a VW Map for around £800.
I can get an Individual Map from Superchips for £399 and a Generic Map with Bluefin for £499. A few pounds here or there is of little concern to me but not the £800 the dealer wishes to charge!
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Jim I've spoken to JKM a few times in the past as I was recommended their excellent service by various members of other forums. They didn't disappoint me and gave me excellent advice. They really are a lesson in customer service. I'd be happy to spend my money there but will likely go mail order Bluefin through them as it is now winter and I'm going into hibernation as I hate the cold and the wet and the dark.
Ken I'm very reliably informed that with Bluefin you can run stage 2 straight away with just a panel filter. It isn't the same as REVO's stage 2 and won't be as aggressive but doesn't require the same amount of hardware upgrades. So it all depends on how far you want to go with your bolt ons.
Once running Stg 2 Bluefin the cat back exhaust will obviously work fine with no extra mapping tweaks needed but don't expect big gains from a cat back. Don't expect any gains at all!! A cat back is just a bit of bling really.
If you want your car to boost to high RPMs you will really need a K04 turbo'd GTI. These give a much lazier pick up (unless running with a good map) at low revs but make the car feel much more deep lunged and will boost and boost until the revs run out.
Personally I prefer the low speed pick up of the small turbo GTI as it suits my driving style and content, but if you want to do track work the K04 GTI (ED30, 35 and R) will rev out much better and feel like a bigger displacement engine.
GolfTi Thanks for the link to your old review. Excellent reading. And you are correct with the insurance increase as that's what they loaded me with previously. :smiley:
Asker JKM do the Bluefin mail order for £405 at the moment.
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Your all mad , just get down to Doc's place stop p*ssing around with the other Idiots :wink:
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i want to be able to revert back to standard map from time to time and the 1 year warranty is peace of mind as my car is only a month old which is why i like the idea of the bluefin.
i had a look at jim and £405 is a great price - they have a warning stating that some TSI engines have a ECU locked so it can't be remapped however. you have 7 days to try and buy though.
exonian - do you have an after market exhaust fitted to you car? i would have thought even a cat back would have made an extra few bhp or certainly made it more free revving?
i will look into the stage 2 a bit more - i know on the renaultsport engines a stage 2 is only worth doing if a sport cat is fitted as the OE cat would be destroyed with the more aggressive map.
not sure if the golf is the same but as I'm keeping the OE down pipe and cat i would need to make sure the stage 2 map is suitable
cheers
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I've just driven a Bluefinned GTI this morning and was very impressed. The otherwise standard car had a considerable lot more urge in the mid range, from when I drove it in standard form a couple of weeks ago. 5th gear from 3000rpm was very impressive, with no lag or noticable falling off of power at the top end. Having said that, you didn't need any more than 6000rpm and a change up put you right back into the guts of the torque curve.
I liked it. I liked it alot.
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i want to be able to revert back to standard map from time to time and the 1 year warranty is peace of mind as my car is only a month old which is why i like the idea of the bluefin.
i had a look at jim and £405 is a great price - they have a warning stating that some TSI engines have a ECU locked so it can't be remapped however. you have 7 days to try and buy though.
exonian - do you have an after market exhaust fitted to you car? i would have thought even a cat back would have made an extra few bhp or certainly made it more free revving?
i will look into the stage 2 a bit more - i know on the renaultsport engines a stage 2 is only worth doing if a sport cat is fitted as the OE cat would be destroyed with the more aggressive map.
not sure if the golf is the same but as I'm keeping the OE down pipe and cat i would need to make sure the stage 2 map is suitable
cheers
No exhaust for me.
Extra 40-50 bhp from a remap = £400-600; good value.
Extra 2-7bhp from a filter = £30-70; make of that what you will but not bad value in the grand scheme of things as you could probably get £20 back on it when you sell up again and it's free to fit.
Extra 2-5bhp from a cat back = £300 - ???; Not for me unless the car was about 5 years old and the original one was falling to bits, I'd rather spend £30 on some tail pipe trims.
ETTO and all that. :smiley:
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Your all mad , just get down to Doc's place stop p*ssing around with the other Idiots :wink:
You're quite right. In other circumstances that's exactly what I'd be doing. Thought very long and hard about this over quite some time.
But on a 6 month old car it'd be nice to have at least some sort of warranty on the mechanicals (even if it isn't worth the paper it is written on). The Superchips warranty and the VW warranty should cover any unlikely problems and if one of them blames the other and refuses to pay up there will be some mighty fine threads on the subject which will no doubt end up all over the internet as stuff like that goes viral very quickly. Reputations will be there to be lost and much fun will be poked at my misery!!!
And I'd like the car to be able to go back as standard as it is so young (if it was a year or so older I'd not be in the slightest bit bothered). I'm not sure if ALL handheld devices will work to revert a mk6 ECU back to standard.
I had a very similar handheld unit to Doc's for my mk5 GTI's map which I had wiped when I sold that car and tried to read the mk6 ECU with it to get a map for my last car. It didn't work on that ECU so I sold it back to the tuner.
The REVO was handy on my last car as I'm friendly with the local agent, so if there were issues that needed the car to go back to 100% stock such as to get readings from a malfunctioning standard engine component under stock load for easier diagnosis I could quickly get the original map flashed back. I don't fancy a 4 hour drive in a wonky car!! :grin:
If however my ECU is locked out to a Bluefin device I'll be looking 'elsewhere' ... but it will just have to wait for a while longer :nerd:
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i want to be able to revert back to standard map from time to time and the 1 year warranty is peace of mind as my car is only a month old which is why i like the idea of the bluefin.
i had a look at jim and £405 is a great price - they have a warning stating that some TSI engines have a ECU locked so it can't be remapped however. you have 7 days to try and buy though.
exonian - do you have an after market exhaust fitted to you car? i would have thought even a cat back would have made an extra few bhp or certainly made it more free revving?
i will look into the stage 2 a bit more - i know on the renaultsport engines a stage 2 is only worth doing if a sport cat is fitted as the OE cat would be destroyed with the more aggressive map.
not sure if the golf is the same but as I'm keeping the OE down pipe and cat i would need to make sure the stage 2 map is suitable
cheers
No exhaust for me.
Extra 40-50 bhp from a remap = £400-600; good value.
Extra 2-7bhp from a filter = £30-70; make of that what you will but not bad value in the grand scheme of things as you could probably get £20 back on it when you sell up again and it's free to fit.
Extra 2-5bhp from a cat back = £300 - ???; Not for me unless the car was about 5 years old and the original one was falling to bits, I'd rather spend £30 on some tail pipe trims.
ETTO and all that. :smiley:
Andy I wish the Milltek cat-back was £300!!! When I last checked it was £700!!!!!!!
Jim
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Andy I wish the Milltek cat-back was £300!!! When I last checked it was £700!!!!!!!
Jeez. The last time I bought a Milltek cat back was for my Leon Cupra in 2004. That was £265 back then.
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Andy I wish the Milltek cat-back was £300!!! When I last checked it was £700!!!!!!!
Jeez. The last time I bought a Milltek cat back was for my Leon Cupra in 2004. That was £265 back then.
Yep, £765 inc VAT for the resonated, 100mm GT tips from Revo!!!! I know some places say they are cheaper but I wonder about real stock levels etc.
Added: Awesome GTI are doing the same for £637.55 inc VAT
Jim
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a far as I've read and been told by dealers the milltek non res is fine on the GTI as its not much louder than stock
its about £550 for the non res version.
i suppose that is a lot of money for about 5bhp but they do look so much nicer than the wheelbarrow standard tail pipes and there will be a healthy weight saving over standard system too
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Everything I've read is that the non-res is a bit louder than stock but not too loud.
£550 is cheap mate, I assume you're not looking at the 100mm GT tips as I can't see any under £620
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awesome gti do non res with 100mm gt tail pipes for £562 inc vat
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awesome gti do non res with 100mm gt tail pipes for £562 inc vat
Not according to their website mate, I'm showing it at £637 inc vat, I added it to the basket and that's the price you'd have to pay.
Jim
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I reckon there is a market for some very well made, well fitting tailpipe trims priced at around £40.
£5-6-700 is just a ridiculous amount of money to pay for an exhaust.
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I reckon there is a market for some very well made, well fitting tailpipe trims priced at around £40.
£5-6-700 is just a ridiculous amount of money to pay for an exhaust.
Amen to that.
I started a thread some time ago asking if anyone knew of the availability of such things and it pretty much drew a blank (other than people questioning why I'd want them).
Just some nice slash cut trims would give you almost the same horsepower advantage as a full cat back :laugh:
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I reckon there is a market for some very well made, well fitting tailpipe trims priced at around £40.
£5-6-700 is just a ridiculous amount of money to pay for an exhaust.
Amen to that.
I started a thread some time ago asking if anyone knew of the availability of such things and it pretty much drew a blank (other than people questioning why I'd want them).
Just some nice slash cut trims would give you almost the same horsepower advantage as a full cat back :laugh:
Could be worth contacting a local exhaust place and get them to knock something up. If they're keen and a bit business savvy they'd made a forture.
Anyone want to lend me their MK6 GTI as I know an excellent exhaust place :smug:
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The only reson I'd buy a GTI is so that I could have one of these:
http://www.akrapovic.com/car-exhaust/products/volkswagen/model/golf-vi-gti-2009/slip-on-32582ab009/
That will be all :wink:
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The only reson I'd buy a GTI is so that I could have one of these:
http://www.akrapovic.com/car-exhaust/products/volkswagen/model/golf-vi-gti-2009/slip-on-32582ab009/
That will be all :wink:
Hmmph :angry: Nothing for my dark destroyer :angry:
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The only reson I'd buy a GTI is so that I could have one of these:
http://www.akrapovic.com/car-exhaust/products/volkswagen/model/golf-vi-gti-2009/slip-on-32582ab009/
That will be all :wink:
Hmmph :angry: Nothing for my dark destroyer :angry:
Nor mine hence the GIT comment - MK6 GITs everywhere in here :laugh:
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The only reson I'd buy a GTI is so that I could have one of these:
http://www.akrapovic.com/car-exhaust/products/volkswagen/model/golf-vi-gti-2009/slip-on-32582ab009/
That will be all :wink:
Hmmph :angry: Nothing for my dark destroyer :angry:
Nor mine hence the GIT comment - MK6 GITs everywhere in here :laugh:
Who'd have thought it on a GIT site :laugh: :laugh:
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akrapovic sell the tail pipes in their own to fit on the standard exhaust but they're not cheap
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You get what you pay for, these things are staggeringly beautiful in the flesh :drool:
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The only reson I'd buy a GTI is so that I could have one of these:
http://www.akrapovic.com/car-exhaust/products/volkswagen/model/golf-vi-gti-2009/slip-on-32582ab009/
That will be all :wink:
This is my dream toy for my car but the price..........
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You get what you pay for, these things are staggeringly beautiful in the flesh :drool:
That exhaust is a work of art, if i had one i would hang it on the wall not fit it to the car :grin:
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More akrapovic porn.....
(http://www.skn-tuning.de/products/1310113647_P1020200.JPG)
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I thought this thread was dedicated to Bluefin.
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Nah, we decided to Asker it following my feeble attempt to regain the OT
This threads been slaughtered wasn't this about bluefin? :grin:
This threads been slaughtered wasn't this about bluefin? :grin:
Don't worry Doc, it's on the second page now so long overdue an off topic subject or two :grin:
We'll soon be back on to homosexuality and tomatoes ...
Back OFF TOPIC
(http://www.akrapovic.com/typo3conf/ext/user_products/mod1/uploads/products/tail_pipes_for_the_vw_golf_vi_gti/vw_tailpipe_03.jpg)
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That's too much for this early in the morning :drool: :drool: :drool: :embarassed:
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That's too much for this early in the morning :drool: :drool: :drool: :embarassed:
F3cking ace are they not :wink:
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That's too much for this early in the morning :drool: :drool: :drool: :embarassed:
F3cking ace are they not :wink:
No they're bloody not because they're playing with my mind and I'm now sat here wondering if I can make them fit my car depsite the silly expense :angry:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Shall I give then a shout and see if they would do some slip on covers us?
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Shall I give then a shout and see if they would do some slip on covers us?
You're a bad bad man :laugh: :laugh:
Yes please
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More akrapovic porn.....
(http://www.skn-tuning.de/products/1310113647_P1020200.JPG)
If you think that's porn, download the Akrapovic Ap from the Apple App store!!!!!!
Go to t he multimedia secrion in the app and listen to the Porsche GT3....... :cool:
Jim
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Those carbon tips are sooooo sexy. I've been doing my research into my stage 1 options (usual stuff like Milteks and so on) and now this gets thrown into the mix!!! Now I may just have to go back to the drawing board!!!!
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Those carbon tips are sooooo sexy. I've been doing my research into my stage 1 options (usual stuff like Milteks and so on) and now this gets thrown into the mix!!! Now I may just have to go back to the drawing board!!!!
You not know this but Doc can supply Akrapovic.......
Jim
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The Doc might just have suddenly assumed VW God like status!!!
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awesome gti do non res with 100mm gt tail pipes for £562 inc vat
Not according to their website mate, I'm showing it at £637 inc vat, I added it to the basket and that's the price you'd have to pay.
Jim
don't know where your looking but non res mk6 gti with gt100mm tail pipes is;
Image Product Code Name Quantity Price Each Item Total
EX-MIL-MSVWGTIMK6 Milltek cat-back exhaust for Golf Mk6 GTI
Choose Type: GT100mm trim - non-resonated
1 £468.79 £468.79
Goods Total £468.79
Shipping Total £0.00
Tax Total £93.76
Order Total £562.55
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Here is the link mate
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=13801
£637.55, when you update the tail pipe
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Shall I give then a shout and see if they would do some slip on covers us?
Yes!
But £££££ ? :shocked: :cry: No doubt
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Here is the link mate
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=13801
£637.55, when you update the tail pipe
Nope.
Non res cat back with gt100mm tail pipes £562.55
Done it a few times to check and I'm right. Not sure what your doing wrong.
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Shall I give then a shout and see if they would do some slip on covers us?
Yes!
But £££££ ? :shocked: :cry: No doubt
Yes, but titanium and/or carbon are never cheap.....
Jim
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Bluefin ordered yesterday, I couldn't resist their 20% discount. Going to run it for a few days and if it's not what I was hoping for I'll get Revo from JKM in Portsmouth.
My question is should I have told them that I have a DSG car when I ordered it?
Cheers,
Jim
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yeah DSG map is different but you just tell superchips when you install the software on the PC and register the handset/car. just type in car details.
then download map onto hand unit from car form OBD under steering column
plug into laptop and start software and map automatically sends to their server
you will get a text (mine took about 60 seconds) to say your file is ready to download
download onto the handset via software (all automatic, really easy) then put handset back into car and follow the instructions.
the difference is amazing once its done.
i got the bluefin from jim too a couple of months back for £405 delivered.
really pleased with it and super chips customer services are excellent.
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Bluefin is for the tame older clientele of the GTI who worry about Mr VW giving them into trouble for having a mapped car, real GTI drivers use REVO!!! :drool: :evil:
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Bluefin is for the tame older clientele of the GTI who worry about Mr VW giving them into trouble for having a mapped car, real GTI drivers use REVO!!! :drool: :evil:
Interesting...
I see it as chosen by people who rate a more linear power delivery and the ability to get from A to B swiftly without fighting the car, more highly than impressing the local NEDs with your wheelspinability. :drool: :evil:
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Kenny n Ess_......
Snowballs at 3 paces lads..... (any further apart and the howling wind will rip the snow from your hands :laugh:)
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My GTI goes like the wind we have been having here! :drool:
Leaving all the old bluefin and local NEDs behind! :cool:
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Bluefin + WALK = traction and drive out of corners. I never run traction control in the dry on b roads When I'm pushing on and it's amazing. From all the research I did revo had teething issues and makes its power to abrupt meaning wheel spin.
If you want to wheelspin the power away in McDonald's car park superchips will alter the map for you though.
For me usable power, customer support, flexibility (stock or remap when I want in minutes), price and future re usability were Important. Bluefin Was the only option that ticked all the boxes for me.
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Don't know where people get that from, my car pulls strongly and smoothly through the gears. Wheel spins in the wet if you floor it in a low gear as you would expect but apart from that I love my REVO :laugh:
Although had issues with revo at stage one but not sure if they sorted that :embarassed: :lipsrsealed: :drool:
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It's all down to person preference and experience when all is said and done.
Jim doesn't know which to try so why not try the cheapest, easiest option first?
If you inform SC when your uploading that you have DSG they will do any possible modifications required in the software.
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I had the use of a forum member's Bluefinned GTI on Monday for a 100-ish mile round trip.
When I'd first planned the trip I was expecting cold and crisp weather and fairly empty roads as it was an evening run.
Life never pans out how you expect and instead I was greeted with storm force winds, torrential rain, made worse by the spray from lorries, and the trip was moved to an earlier time so I also had traffic to contend with on the first leg.
Now, obviously being a sensible Golf driver I wasn't going to be doing anything above the legal speed limit, and much of the trip was done at much less than that thanks to the weather. Again, the weather put paid to any quick cornering or quick anything really. So this certainly isn't going to be a performance and willy waving test.
But I'll say one thing, when you drive a car in the worst conditions it quickly shows up any shortcomings. And apart from one or two visibility issues the GTI doesn't have any shortcomings. It really is a polished car. No doubt an R would have been even better in the conditions, but was by no means anywhere near necessary thanks to the basic competence of the GTI.
The only even slightly dodgy moments were caused by aquaplaning and you can't blame the car for that. Everything else was catered for in absolute comfort and with great confidence. Gushing praise really which is unusual for me I know, so I'll apologise for that right away... :laugh:
So, what of the Bluefin part of the experience? Well, despite all that I've said above about going slowly and sensibly, the Bluefin was really quite handy. Steep dual carriageway hills were made to feel like I was driving on flat Fenland roads thanks to the extra torque. The extra boost comes on strongly but not viciously enabling the car to easily overtake lorries spraying water everywhere on uphill sections to clear the car and passengers away from danger without resorting to heavy throttle use or high revs, thus keeping progress smooth.
Accelerating out of roundabouts and away from traffic lights was brisk enough for the conditions and almost no loss of traction was experienced despite the very, very wet conditions.
So, the conditions show that the Bluefinned car has plenty enough torque for brisk progress without having too much torque that would occasionally hinder it.
A previous mk6 I had acquaintance with was fitted with REVO stage 1 software. It was excellent. And for a road car so is the Bluefin I reckon from this limited test.
Obviously if I wanted to use the car for track work then stage 2 REVO would probably give the best results, but that requires hardware additions that a) push up the cost and b) throw off the GTI balance meaning further upgrades would be needed such as brakes and suspension mods to go with the considerable added power to bring the thing back on an even keel. In which case you'd probably be a lot better off buying a K04 car in the first place.
As a sorted road car, the Bluefin GTI does what it needs to do very well, with the option to add a little more in the future.
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I have just taken a look at the Dyno graph for the bluefin before and after, is 250hp really typical of a standard GTI ? i cant really see the point of spending £330 plus insurance for an extra 20hp ? :undecided:
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I have just taken a look at the Dyno graph for the bluefin before and after, is 250hp really typical of a standard GTI ? i cant really see the point of spending £330 plus insurance for an extra 20hp ? :undecided:
Oh yes :grin:
I take it you haven't had a car mapped before?
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Standard GTI is 211bhp isn't it :huh: so a 39bhp gain
Short version is it's totally worth it :cool:
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the mk6 gti always produces more than 210bhp. VW under sell it.
evo tested one at about 230bhp and a megane 250 at about 280bhp and the focus RS at 'just' 280 (should be 300)
anyway 20-30 bhp thru the rev range and the way it produces the power and the added response, engine note and flexibility make the £400 well worth it IMO.
on a NA car i wouldn't bother with a remap so much but on a turbo car they make a HUGE difference for the £££
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on a NA car i wouldn't bother with a remap so much but on a turbo car they make a HUGE difference for the £££
You'd be surprised at the difference it makes to an NA car :wink: IMO it's never about the peak gains; I much prefer AVERAGE gains across the RPM range :afro:
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yeah i guess so. on my clio gains were very minimal (about 6 bhp or so maybe 12bhp with an exhaust and sport cat). the lads with 197/200 RS with remaps do say they make a difference but in bang for bucks terms on a turbo car you get more for your money IMO
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yeah i guess so. on my clio gains were very minimal (about 6 bhp or so maybe 12bhp with an exhaust and sport cat). the lads with 197/200 RS with remaps do say they make a difference but in bang for bucks terms on a turbo car you get more for your money IMO
Did you RR the Clio before and after??
That you do :smiley:
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Mine made 250 ish on "REVO" standard map but that was with all the induction, exhaust and FMIC.
But my god yeah a remap is worth it, whatever one you go for, totally transforms the car! Great fun!
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yeah i guess so. on my clio gains were very minimal (about 6 bhp or so maybe 12bhp with an exhaust and sport cat). the lads with 197/200 RS with remaps do say they make a difference but in bang for bucks terms on a turbo car you get more for your money IMO
Did you RR the Clio before and after??
That you do :smiley:
Never had my clip on the rollers but all the lads I know that did never got close to 197bhp
A 197 Clio makes about 185 if your lucky! Bloody liars.
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A remapped GTI will leave a standard one with the owner feeling like his car must be f**ked.
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:embarassed:
I had a beanie wearer in an '04 Clio glued to the back of mine the other day coming off a roundabout and by my reckoning he was probably faster. Didn't get a chance to see which Clio it was as after couple of miles he peeled off down a slip road. The shame of it :embarassed: :embarassed:
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yeah the clio 172/182 are awesome motors.
my 2004 clio 182 cup was pretty rapid. was a match for type r's and gti's of the same era.
the 182 actually felt faster than my 197 as the engine is similar but has better spread of torque and they're much lighter than the later clios.
on the track a 197 would be faster as the chassis really is amazing but in the real world i would say the 182/172 is probably quicker - or is it just bigger cars feel slower but your actually going quicker than you think?
I'm on the look out for a track day car and it will either be a 172/182 as they're so good for the £ or maybe saxo vts (if i can dig out my burberry cap)
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on the track a 197 would be faster as the chassis really is amazing but in the real world i would say the 182/172 is probably quicker - or is it just bigger cars feel slower but your actually going quicker than you think?
My Brother-in-law used to have a 172 which felt pretty quick. I had a Leon Cupra 1.8T 180ps at the time, and on a straight road, had the legs on him...just.
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on the track a 197 would be faster as the chassis really is amazing but in the real world i would say the 182/172 is probably quicker - or is it just bigger cars feel slower but your actually going quicker than you think?
My Brother-in-law used to have a 172 which felt pretty quick. I had a Leon Cupra 1.8T 180ps at the time, and on a straight road, had the legs on him...just.
Got my Bluefin delivered last week, had a chance to 'use' it today and I have to say it's worth every penny. The increase in power is very smooth and midrange increase is very very impressive..
Love it.
Jim
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Nice one Jim, happy Christmas to you :grin:
Make sure the speed warning is set on the dash as mine still amazes me how it gets to silly speeds with no real effort :evil:
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good stuff
what car is it on?
have you tried it as a fault code reader yet?
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good stuff
what car is it on?
have you tried it as a fault code reader yet?
It's on my MK6 GTI, I haven't tried anything on it apart from uploading the new map. I'll take a look at the other things over Christmas.
Jim
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Mine made 250 ish on "REVO" standard map but that was with all the induction, exhaust and FMIC.
But my god yeah a remap is worth it, whatever one you go for, totally transforms the car! Great fun!
Seems pretty low :shocked:
mine made 207 std & 264 with revo stg one... it was sha99ed after that though :laugh:
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Has anyone had theirs or seen a before and after graphs on a set of Dyno Dynamics rollers yet? (Im talking Superchips map not revo)
I have been looking to see if i can find any of the graphs for a bluefinned before and after on dyno dynamics rollers but not found any.
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Is this any good? http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/GolfMk6GTi%20Stage1.pdf
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Not really it shows a comparison but i much prefer dyno dynamics rollers myself.
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As long as they are before'd and after'd on the same set, what difference should it make?
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Has anyone had theirs or seen a before and after graphs on a set of Dyno Dynamics rollers yet? (Im talking Superchips map not revo)
I have been looking to see if i can find any of the graphs for a bluefinned before and after on dyno dynamics rollers but not found any.
I will be taking mine to JKM's rolling road day so we'll know the number then. I know for a fact mine as standard is 209 BHP as I had it run on West Tunings Dyno Dynamics RR. Not sure what it will make but to be honest I'm not that bothered. I was before I had it done but now it's done and I love it I don't care whether it's just an extra 20 or 30, the car is transformed, it feels proper quick now.
Jim
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i agree. i don't know the numbers but mine drives great which is all that matters really
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I have to agree, the peak numbers aren't that important in a road car, you want tractability, temprament and smoothness.
The shape of the graph is far more important than the headline figues. Doc put up a map of a mk6 GTI he mapped and the figures weren't dramatic in themselves but the actual shape of the graph plot shows that the car would be far more potent in cut and thrust driving than the rather limp standard mapping. The owners response confirmed this.
Track day cars are another matter altogether, but I still think you're far better off starting with a K04 engine'd car in the first place if that's going to be your aim thanks to it producing power continuously far higher up the rev range. The trade off with the K04 is fuel economy and low end response.
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Which is why i asked for a graph :wink:
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Which is why i asked for a graph :wink:
I think the JKM rolling road session is Late January. If you want to see one I bet JKM have one in file, give them a call they are very helpful and I'm sure will send you what you need.
They use Dyno Dynamics RR too.
Jim
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Hmmm... so tempting!!
£365 - making the 20% saving hopefully enough to pay the difference in my insurance!
Only a few more days to think about it / decide. I'm away on holiday on the 26th - so it could be a nice gift to myself waiting when I return home!
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Hmmm... so tempting!!
£365 - making the 20% saving hopefully enough to pay the difference in my insurance!
Only a few more days to think about it / decide. I'm away on holiday on the 26th - so it could be a nice gift to myself waiting when I return home!
you would prob be looking forward to coming home then :grin:
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Hmmm... so tempting!!
£365 - making the 20% saving hopefully enough to pay the difference in my insurance!
Only a few more days to think about it / decide. I'm away on holiday on the 26th - so it could be a nice gift to myself waiting when I return home!
Mate, that amount of money, that amount of extra power on the R, I cant believe it's not ordered yet.
With 300 BHP and 4x4 it's crime not to get one.
Do it.....
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i can smell the clutch burning already!
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Mate, that amount of money, that amount of extra power on the R, I cant believe it's not ordered yet.
With 300 BHP and 4x4 it's crime not to get one.
Do it.....
It sounds like such a straight forward decision...
But there is the warranty issue, insurance changes... and do I really need an extra 40bhp?! The car is fast enough as it is!
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Mate, that amount of money, that amount of extra power on the R, I cant believe it's not ordered yet.
With 300 BHP and 4x4 it's crime not to get one.
Do it.....
It sounds like such a straight forward decision...
But there is the warranty issue, insurance changes... and do I really need an extra 40bhp?! The car is fast enough as it is!
Let me help you out.
1. But there is the warranty issue
Answer - don't worry about it :laugh:
2. insurance changes
Answer - £70 extra.....
3. do I really need an extra 40bhp
Answer - 99% of everything I have, I don't need. And the answer is yes you do :tongue:
4. The car is fast enough as it is!
Answer - if people thought that we'd still be driving around in Model T Fords.
Glad to be of help :evil: