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Title: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Horney on 16 October 2011, 12:28: (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6031/6251145222_ca7487894b_b.jpg)

So we all up for this again? 16 car grids should mean probably only 1 championship instead of two this time.

Nick
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 16 October 2011, 12:35: Should be. Can't do mondays though.
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Post by: Shady Pioneer on 16 October 2011, 13:07: I'll make the effort to play, I won't organise though.
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Post by: bobbarley on 16 October 2011, 13:15: FFS, am I going to have to buy the bloody thing?
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Post by: murraymint on 16 October 2011, 15:08: Can i get in on this?
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Post by: DOA on 16 October 2011, 16:57: Ill be in for a bit of that :smiley:
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Post by: admc6 on 16 October 2011, 18:15: I'm up for it
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Post by: justalex81 on 16 October 2011, 18:47: count me in if it's on a monday or a wednesday!
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Post by: Dolly on 16 October 2011, 19:59: im in :wink:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Horney on 16 October 2011, 20:46: (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6031/6251145222_ca7487894b_b.jpg)

So then, bog standard MKII 16v's, no mods allowed except changing the wheel design and livery.

Will kick this off in November to give people a chance to get used to the game and sort a livery. Dates TBC.
Get your names down. First come, first served.

1 - Horney
2 - Slick
3 - Shady
4 - Murraymint
5 - DOA
6 - justalex81
7 - Dolly
8 - Chuff
9 - wolverine1091
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Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: murraymint on 16 October 2011, 20:50: Sweet!! Il get designing :cool:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Horney on 16 October 2011, 20:53: Quote from: wolverine1091 on 16 October 2011, 20:51
does that mean non stock alloys then?
because you cant chage rim size of std alloys

I made a typo, you can change rim design, but has to stay stock size.

Nick
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 16 October 2011, 20:56: Why are you changing the rims?

Keep it truely stock, lock the cars to how they are mechanically in the options and just stickers etc allowed.
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Horney on 16 October 2011, 20:57: I thought rims allows people to pick stuff they like and it doesn't make much difference to the car handling.

Nick
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 16 October 2011, 21:02: Do they not change the weights then like in 2&3? I.E. you can choose some different rims exactly the same size etc but they will be ~5-10lbs lighter each. :huh:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Horney on 16 October 2011, 21:03: Yeah they do, but do you think that'll make that much difference? I can make all standard if it's an issue.

Nick
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Horney on 16 October 2011, 21:05: Quote from: wolverine1091 on 16 October 2011, 21:03
god you are fussy :tongue:

Defending Champ init!

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/Horney_mini/Slick.jpg)
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 16 October 2011, 21:07: Changes the P.I number though doesn't it?

I'm not going to cry over it, but if we are racing stock.... :tongue:

Ha ha, you better believe it. I'm practising my clutch control :wink:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Horney on 16 October 2011, 21:09: OK. Slick as defending champ you're in charge of testing. Try a stock car with different rims and see if you notice any difference with your lap times and report back.

Until them, rims stock only.

Nick
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Horney on 16 October 2011, 21:09: Assists are pretty much free. THink we just restricted auto brake and braking line only on the last one.

Nick
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Horney on 16 October 2011, 21:10: I edit my post, but you'll be fine.

Nick
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 16 October 2011, 21:12: Hope there is a mk2 in the club garage I can borrow. :tongue:

Any idea of track you want to start on?
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Post by: golf-sib on 16 October 2011, 21:19: Count me in, I'll try not to use everyone to rebound off and knock them off the track :grin:

Last time I got halfway through the championship then xbox died, this time I have a super elite lets hope this lasts!
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: golf-sib on 16 October 2011, 21:26: I was terrible, if someone had a nice gap ahead on the tight bend up ahead I'd fly into them with the handbrake, they end up on the grass and I end up in the right direction. Or I'd fishtail them :grin:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 16 October 2011, 21:30: Just a quick check.

Changing your rims can be a weight loss of up to 36lbs. :shocked: and P.I. increases up 4 points. E243 -> E247

I'll bang a few laps in on "La Guna Seca" now see what the deal is.
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Post by: Agreeable Slick on 16 October 2011, 21:53: Standard 01:54.417 - clean

Non Stock Wheels 01:53.213 - clean

Not perfect laps but reasonably close, so around a second a lap (possibly more if you nail a good one).

Meh - Whatever. :laugh:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: murraymint on 16 October 2011, 22:01: got my car sorted

(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h364/murrayminf/Forza14.jpg)
on stock wheels :afro:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Horney on 16 October 2011, 22:14: Indeed, stock it is.

Nick
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: golf-sib on 16 October 2011, 22:21: I'd say fully stock, only decals/visuals allowed otherwise the PI makes it complicated, as I could get heavier wheels and enlarge the wheel size, then sneak a mod in and it will look reasonable in the PI table as I may be +/- 3 out, just the wheel thing adds complication IMO. Really need to learn to use the clutch otherwise there is no chance off keeping up with manual gear changes in a stock car.
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: admc6 on 16 October 2011, 22:28: 1 - Horney
2 - Slick
3 - Shady
4 - Murraymint
5 - DOA
6 - justalex81
7 - Dolly
8 - Chuff
9 - wolverine1091
10 - admc6
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Can we use auto gears or does it have to be manual?
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: golf-sib on 16 October 2011, 22:33: 1 - Horney
2 - Slick
3 - Shady
4 - Murraymint
5 - DOA
6 - justalex81
7 - Dolly
8 - Chuff
9 - wolverine1091
10 - admc6
11 - golf-sib (arancara)
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Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Dolly on 17 October 2011, 09:06: Quote from: Horney on 16 October 2011, 21:09

OK. Slick as defending champ you're in charge of testing.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/Horney_mini/Picture3-3.png)

:lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 17 October 2011, 10:21: Oh aye, Dolly is actually defending champ.

The A4 season was not my strong one, roly poly at maple valley was my downfall :sad: :laugh:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: DOA on 17 October 2011, 10:34: Can I make the suggestion that we do allow some mods to the stock Gti's: Fully upgraded clutch, flywheel, gearbox and driveshafts. It makes the cars so much nicer to drive and the gearbox ratios on the golf are a bit pap as stock. It will also allow a wee bit of tunability to the cars to suit different tracks.
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Post by: Khare on 17 October 2011, 10:44: Count me in. I'm about to go get the Xbox, will join the club garage and all that this evening after I stettle in a bit :smiley:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 17 October 2011, 10:47: @DOA - Then golf-sib's point comes in to play, what if people don't bother with clutch/flywheel etc upgrades and just go for power increases? It would be easy to then just power past people regardless of what the gearbox and ratios were like.

For a truely level playing field forced stock everything bar gear selection choice (manual w/clutch, manual, auto) is the only way.

I'm sure after this we will be opening it up to just doing class battles like previously i.e. A class etc.

Oh and Horne, are we stipulating difficulty? I.E. simulation everything - steering, braking, damage, tyre wear etc and just having gear selection as the option?
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Post by: Horney on 17 October 2011, 11:58: I tin kassists can be free because some people (Vodka boy for example) like their ABS. I think tyre and damge will be on though to try and keep things clean. Steering can be SIM or not, up to the individual.

I'll write up a full list of the rules tomorrow night and post them up.

Anyone up for a pre season warm up @ 9pm on wednesday?

Nick
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: AlanD on 17 October 2011, 12:01: 1 - Horney
2 - Slick
3 - Shady
4 - Murraymint
5 - DOA
6 - justalex81
7 - Dolly
8 - Chuff
9 - wolverine1091
10 - admc6
11 - golf-sib (arancara)
12 - Destructing Dell
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14 -
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16 -
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: murraymint on 17 October 2011, 12:35: That sucks im not in on Wednesday
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: golf-sib on 17 October 2011, 12:55: I'm up for Wednesday 9pm. Prefer the stock idea as I remember the A and B class races where pants, people that where tuning there cars correctly got such an advantage, others where more handicapped, I realised later on how the lads that concentrated on displacement mods had a better hand. prefer the idea off leaving cars stock, if we open up higher class races I would also prefer stock, just use better cars like r8 or TT rs etc...
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Post by: AlanD on 17 October 2011, 12:56: Oh yeah, no way should we be allowing modded cars. The best racing we had was the Audi S4 champ we did when we all had the same car, was great stuff.
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Post by: justalex81 on 17 October 2011, 13:23: wednesday at 9pm i can do!
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Post by: Dolly on 17 October 2011, 14:14: wednesday is good
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Post by: admc6 on 17 October 2011, 17:18: I'll be on Wednesday too
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Post by: Shady Pioneer on 17 October 2011, 18:45: Wednesday is good for me.
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Post by: Khare on 17 October 2011, 19:06: me too
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Steve_PD on 17 October 2011, 20:25: Quote from: Agreeable Slick on 17 October 2011, 10:47
@DOA - Then golf-sib's point comes in to play, what if people don't bother with clutch/flywheel etc upgrades and just go for power increases? It would be easy to then just power past people regardless of what the gearbox and ratios were like.

For a truely level playing field forced stock everything bar gear selection choice (manual w/clutch, manual, auto) is the only way.

I'm sure after this we will be opening it up to just doing class battles like previously i.e. A class etc.

Oh and Horne, are we stipulating difficulty? I.E. simulation everything - steering, braking, damage, tyre wear etc and just having gear selection as the option?

Then you would have to limit the gear changes to manual without clutch as with clutch it gives the user a much faster lap time than someone with just manual gears. Not everyone can use the clutch in this game and the people who do have an advantage
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: golf-sib on 17 October 2011, 20:44: I say we all use pagani zonda's :grin:

No slow manual shifts then
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Dolly on 17 October 2011, 20:46: i think cars should all be stock/equal. Driver assists down to the individual.
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: PenguinGTI on 17 October 2011, 22:11: Quote from: Steve_PD on 17 October 2011, 20:25
Quote from: Agreeable Slick on 17 October 2011, 10:47
@DOA - Then golf-sib's point comes in to play, what if people don't bother with clutch/flywheel etc upgrades and just go for power increases? It would be easy to then just power past people regardless of what the gearbox and ratios were like.

For a truely level playing field forced stock everything bar gear selection choice (manual w/clutch, manual, auto) is the only way.

I'm sure after this we will be opening it up to just doing class battles like previously i.e. A class etc.

Oh and Horne, are we stipulating difficulty? I.E. simulation everything - steering, braking, damage, tyre wear etc and just having gear selection as the option?

Then you would have to limit the gear changes to manual without clutch as with clutch it gives the user a much faster lap time than someone with just manual gears. Not everyone can use the clutch in this game and the people who do have an advantage

But then again if someone using manual/clutch forgets to use their clutch for a change then they can get engine damage whereas someone with only manual can't. I'd say that evens it out.

Also, in real life racing, you can't stop someone changing gear faster than someone else. In real life one person might decide to flat shift while another doesn't. It's up to the individual and therefore more realistic. :smiley:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: golf-sib on 18 October 2011, 09:29: I say assists should be down to the individual. Especially when the clutch is in a rubbish place now for when braking.
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: golf-sib on 19 October 2011, 11:42: We still on for 9pm tonight for a trial run?
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Post by: Horney on 19 October 2011, 12:23: Yup, see othe rpost in this section!
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Post by: apie2004 on 19 October 2011, 13:36: Put me down for some championship action. What time is it on a monday? Unfortunately cant make it tonight, midweek pub quiz FTW
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Post by: Shady Pioneer on 19 October 2011, 17:01: I'll be on tonight nick. :)
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Post by: The Mighty Elvi on 19 October 2011, 17:28: Quote from: Shady Pioneer on 19 October 2011, 17:01
I'll be on tonight nick. :)

Seein' as "Shady hits-you-in-the-rear" is playing, make sure the damage simulation is turned off.

I'm talking from experience here! :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Shady Pioneer on 19 October 2011, 17:58: I'm sure Mr Dolly would say otherwise. :grin:
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Post by: Agreeable Slick on 19 October 2011, 18:06: Quote from: Shady Pioneer on 19 October 2011, 17:01
I'll be on tonight nick. :)

Chances are it'll also be the only night after last "seasons" little outburst :lipsrsealed:
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Post by: Shady Pioneer on 19 October 2011, 18:58: I'm round hers tonight so if I suddenly disappear its because she's gotten sh!tty and turned the Xbox off. :grin:
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Post by: Khare on 19 October 2011, 20:56: it said on a message that you quit the club..
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Post by: murraymint on 23 October 2011, 17:00: whens this kicking off? anymore pre-season races?
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Post by: golf-sib on 26 October 2011, 07:38: Whens the championship actually starting, tonight?
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Post by: Horney on 26 October 2011, 08:07: No it'll start in November. I'm just in the process of looking at circuits and a provisional calendar. Will get a proper post up over the weekend.

As another pre-season race meet I'd be well up for it. Just need to find a night I can kick the Mrs out.

Nick
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Post by: golf-sib on 26 October 2011, 09:43: So no pre race tonight?

Just give the miss a doing and bucket and tell her to clean the car!

I know what you mean, I just bought a 2nd telly a while back to stop the misses hogging Xbox time, instead its worked against me as the hassle off unplugging it with the connect and replugging it when she wants to play connect in living room makes it a pain.

Be good to get a pre race tonight.
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: murraymint on 26 October 2011, 09:51: Im up for tonight
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Horney on 26 October 2011, 10:22: I'll see if I can persuade her to watch telly in the bedroom from 9pm, but you don't guys don't need me to organise it. Just go for it and if I can get on I will.

Nick
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Post by: Khare on 26 October 2011, 14:16: Tonight it good for me too, although not too late as I've got a job interview early tomorrow morning.
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Post by: murraymint on 26 October 2011, 15:03: Quote from: Khare on 26 October 2011, 14:16
Tonight it good for me too, although not too late as I've got a job interview early tomorrow morning.

wat times best for you?
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Khare on 26 October 2011, 15:18: Anytime, so long as I'm in bed by about 11 or so then I'm deffo in :smiley:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: murraymint on 26 October 2011, 16:13: Start about half 8/ 9 oc
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Post by: Khare on 26 October 2011, 20:19: me and murraymint are online racing, feel free to join us
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Post by: golf-sib on 26 October 2011, 21:24: It's dead tonight, don't know why :huh:
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Post by: Horney on 26 October 2011, 22:14: I wanted to join but mrs Horney was insisting on watching Frozen planet on BBC HD which we can't get on the telly in the bedroom!

Nick
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: golf-sib on 26 October 2011, 23:21: Should off given her the frozen shoulder in HD :grin: :grin: :grin:

You didn't miss much, I did 3 tracks with murray mint, khare was on but left when I came on... hardly anyone on tonight, no big deal in missing out!
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Khare on 27 October 2011, 11:08: Quote from: golf-sib on 26 October 2011, 23:21
Should off given her the frozen shoulder in HD :grin: :grin: :grin:

You didn't miss much, I did 3 tracks with murray mint, khare was on but left when I came on... hardly anyone on tonight, no big deal in missing out!

Yeah nothing huge. I wanted to watch frozen planet too that's why I left. My controller was disconnecting due to low battery too!
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Post by: murraymint on 27 October 2011, 12:56: Quote from: Khare on 27 October 2011, 11:08
Quote from: golf-sib on 26 October 2011, 23:21
Should off given her the frozen shoulder in HD :grin: :grin: :grin:

You didn't miss much, I did 3 tracks with murray mint, khare was on but left when I came on... hardly anyone on tonight, no big deal in missing out!

Yeah nothing huge. I wanted to watch frozen planet too that's why I left. My controller was disconnecting due to low battery too!

i wanted to see that! Forgot it was on.

I got a couple photos and a video from that replay
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Khare on 27 October 2011, 13:11: That first race at tsukuba was epic. Was like watching a drift competition. Skyline vs RS200 sideways next to each other!
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: murraymint on 27 October 2011, 18:18: Quote from: Khare on 27 October 2011, 13:11
That first race at tsukuba was epic. Was like watching a drift competition. Skyline vs RS200 sideways next to each other!

(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h364/murrayminf/Forza31.jpg)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h364/murrayminf/t.jpg)

cant find the video tho
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Post by: Khare on 28 October 2011, 21:25: Epic mate, very good pics!
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Post by: murraymint on 28 October 2011, 22:57: Cheers bud. You helped
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Post by: golf-sib on 01 November 2011, 09:35: Whens the championship starting 2nd or 9th?

Any more practice runs?
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Horney on 01 November 2011, 09:51: 9th. Details to follow tonight or tomororw night.

Nick
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Post by: RandomJord on 02 November 2011, 21:04: Can i play?
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Post by: Horney on 02 November 2011, 21:11: No.

:grin:

Of course you can bud.

Nick
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Post by: Dolly on 03 November 2011, 20:02: i need to put BF3 down and get practising lol
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Post by: Khare on 03 November 2011, 20:05: I'm away from the 22nd of Mo'vember till the 15th of December, so I'll be missing out on a few rounds.
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Post by: JC on 03 November 2011, 20:25: Quote from: Horney on 01 November 2011, 09:51
9th. Details to follow tonight or tomororw night.

Nick

erm, slacker :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Horney on 03 November 2011, 20:59: Busy body more like. Well hectic with work at the moment (I think you know how that feels!).

Nick
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: JC on 03 November 2011, 21:01: yep, 4 sales cars prepped ready so I could have wednesday off.

walked back in today expecting a empty bay, erm nope. 3 more in there :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: AlanD on 04 November 2011, 13:48: I need to start paying more attention to this thread and actually start taking part.
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: JC on 06 November 2011, 09:18: Quote from: AlanD on 04 November 2011, 13:48
I need to start paying more attention to this thread and actually start taking part.

I best redo the car graphics, :lipsrsealed: Steve n slick know why :laugh:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: AlanD on 06 November 2011, 10:48: You been taking the piss out of me behind my back :D
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Post by: Shady Pioneer on 06 November 2011, 11:03: I've just moved and my Internet is sh!t with live, I will have to drop out for now. :cry:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: JC on 06 November 2011, 12:30: Quote from: Shady Pioneer on 06 November 2011, 11:03
I've just moved and my Internet is sh!t with live, I will have to drop out for now. :cry:

:afro: perhaps I dont need to change my graphics then :grin: :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: JC on 06 November 2011, 12:31: Quote from: AlanD on 06 November 2011, 10:48
You been taking the piss out of me behind my back :D

close, but no :wink:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: JC on 09 November 2011, 05:05: Quote from: Horney on 01 November 2011, 09:51
9th.

What time tonight then :huh:
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Horney on 09 November 2011, 06:42: 9pm
Title: Re: Forza 4 Champ
Post by: Horney on 09 November 2011, 08:23: http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=211887.0