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General => General discussion => Topic started by: DubAndDubber on 09 October 2011, 22:26
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Today i bought a mk3 2.0 16v to replace my 2.0 8v mk4. Very happy!
Got a few questions though.
Whats the best things to do for performance?
How low can you go? Does it have any problems like the mk4 ARB?
Guess how much i paid for it, 87k, 3 door 1996 ;)
And have i made the right decision!?
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paid £300
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Personally I think it's a very good choice to go for the Mark 3. As for performance I would just leave it alone. Lowering would be 60mm max on 17inch rims. As for the price it all depends on condition, extras, tax and mot and service history but I would expect to pay around the 800 quid mark for a decent example ??
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paid £300
If you know any with that mileage let me know and ill buy 10
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nice upgrade :smiley: sounds like a good choice
performance wise dont expect massive gains without spending alot of money without supercharging or turbo'ing it you will need to spend 4k+ to reach 200bhp simple mods to get it better a good stainless system a enclosed filter with cold air feed and a good service will see you around the 155bhp -160bhp can go extra lightened fly wheel ported polished head matching inlet etc etc dont expect massive gains :wink: you dont really need massive power to have fun in it mine was rolling roaded at 154.7 bhp few weeks ago at carbon chiptuning rr day and tbh it keeps up with a few more modern cars including a stock 1.8t mk4 :grin:
You can go as low as coilovers will let you tbh on 15" 195/45 tyres im at about 90mm front 80mm back i think :undecided: 17" need winding up abit with brand new tyres as i just found :laugh: not sure about arb probs mk4's have but just make sure your cv boots are in good order and might be worth renewing the drop links and tierod ends and also ball joints for peace of mine also poly bush everything as mine is makes it much more exciting :cool:
I reckon you paid 1150 depending on service history etc and yes you've made the perfect decision ever need any help give me a shout and i will try and direct :smiley:
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Its got no tax but brand new mot. Perfect paintwork and an immaculate interior. Very pleased, bought it for £700 which i thought was a steal. Little bit of service history but you can tell its been looked after. Cam belt and service soon :). The only thing i can think of for performance is a de cat really as i know N/A engines cant really be tuned. Just need to sell my mk4 now!
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cheers dragon, may need some help because im not clued up on mk3's yet! Know alot about mk4s but ive fallen out of love with them now! to many chavvy ones going around!
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De-cat and an ebay chip could get you 165ish. Thats what rubjonnys running, his in the a mk2, hence the need of a de-cat!
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De-cat and an ebay chip could get you 165ish. Thats what rubjonnys running, his in the a mk2, hence the need of a de-cat!
Lol those ebay chips are resistors in a plastic box, very bad for your engine!
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paid £300
If you know any with that mileage let me know and ill buy 10
Mine is a 8v (i know its only 115bhp) 87000miles £320 i paid 1 lady owner full history
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i think the 8v's arent that desirable tbh, dont get me wrong they're still strong engines, but after owning an 8v, id never have another one. But to be fair thats a very good deal by the sounds of it.
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and if yours done the same milage and its an 8v, whys it worth more than mine :laugh:
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i think the 8v's arent that desirable tbh, dont get me wrong they're still strong engines, but after owning an 8v, id never have another one. But to be fair thats a very good deal by the sounds of it.
True they are the lowest spec GTI, people give them to much stick, mines really nippy returns good MPG and its not been ragged about like most 16v and Vr6 cars, plus i wasnt to bothered about the engine as its having a heart transplant next year :evil: :evil:
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Just seen your up the road in bristol so could always meet up for a chat any time if you wanted to :smiley: I opted out of a de-cat and have gone for a sports cat with 2" cat back system with no centre box which for me suits me better as its not to loud but gives good performance and a nice sound rather than head doing which a de-cat does! chips off ebay are either ok or are sh!te and i wouldn't get one myself but i havn't heard anything really bad about them so i don't know i'd much more prefer a re-map from say carbon chiptuning. I know enough to get around them so yeah let me know :cool: This 16v i have is currently my 5th mk3 of which i still have 2 8v's im now breaking so any bits you need i may have :wink:
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i think the 8v's arent that desirable tbh, dont get me wrong they're still strong engines, but after owning an 8v, id never have another one. But to be fair thats a very good deal by the sounds of it.
True they are the lowest spec GTI, people give them to much stick, mines really nippy returns good MPG and its not been ragged about like most 16v and Vr6 cars, plus i wasnt to bothered about the engine as its having a heart transplant next year :evil: :evil:
I'd have thought the 8v's have been raggged more as the 16v and VR's don't need to be ragged to get anywhere.
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De-cat and an ebay chip could get you 165ish. Thats what rubjonnys running, his in the a mk2, hence the need of a de-cat!
Lol those ebay chips are resistors in a plastic box, very bad for your engine!
Seems to be working for him. Think they are a lucky dip as what I've people call them!
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and if yours done the same milage and its an 8v, whys it worth more than mine :laugh:
Cos it know looks like this lol
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1686/porkstance003.jpg)
By ccgti (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/ccgti) at 2011-08-30
Brad bought a minter 16v for his conversion think that only cost him £300 mark off gumtree, good bargains do crop up
8v are also cheap to maintain mechanically
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Yeah well after i sell my mk4 i should have a tidy amount of cash left over to spend on the mk3. Dont take this in a bad way dragon but i need some headlights as i have the quads on there atm......not my thing! ;). I'd also like the plastic arch's and gti trim as the previous owner has the CL trim on atm. I like the bigger arch look! So if you have any of these things id be very greatful! As i said i should have some cash so plenty of beer tokens will be sent your way.
And yeah +1 on that, my mk4 8v had to be ragged to get anywhere! The 16v just shoots through the gears with a very light foot.
That does look nice but i bet you didnt buy it like that! Think i read your build thread the other day, did you have a repsray?
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pm coming your way mate :smiley:
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Yeah well after i sell my mk4 i should have a tidy amount of cash left over to spend on the mk3. Dont take this in a bad way dragon but i need some headlights as i have the quads on there atm......not my thing! ;). I'd also like the plastic arch's and gti trim as the previous owner has the CL trim on atm. I like the bigger arch look! So if you have any of these things id be very greatful! As i said i should have some cash so plenty of beer tokens will be sent your way.
And yeah +1 on that, my mk4 8v had to be ragged to get anywhere! The 16v just shoots through the gears with a very light foot.
That does look nice but i bet you didnt buy it like that! Think i read your build thread the other day, did you have a repsray?
I did indeed, but as the car stands it cost me £1400 thats including the car (mate owns a body shop), Most 16v and vr6s have been ragged because the power crazy have bought them and think they are jenson button lol, Only thing i will sell this for now is a corrado vr6
You need to get some pictures up
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its always nice to know someone in the trade lol, think ive saved thousands over the years! i agree i do, im not off work till thursday so ill have to give it a nice clean and take some snaps! i can feel a build thread coming on to
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How come you downgraded from the mk4 to 3?
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How come you downgraded from the mk4 to 3?
downgraded?! wouldnt call it that, got an extra 8 valves!
basically it was either a mk5 or a mk3, wanted to stick to a golf. Cant really afford a mk5 atm so mk3 it was!
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De-cat and an ebay chip could get you 165ish. Thats what rubjonnys running, his in the a mk2, hence the need of a de-cat!
Lol those ebay chips are resistors in a plastic box, very bad for your engine!
Seems to be working for him. Think they are a lucky dip as what I've people call them!
Ebay chips are bad news, avoid if you can.
I'd have thought the 8v's have been raggged more as the 16v and VR's don't need to be ragged to get anywhere.
Not really the case, 16v needs lots of revs before any power really happens.
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well after owning both a 8v and now 16v, i have to disagree wayne!
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well after owning both a 8v and now 16v, i have to disagree wayne!
Go and check the figures yes a 16v revs higher but is not much quicker than a 8v mk3 (unless your talking about your mk4) in which case yes it is quicker as it is lighter and the 2.0 mk4 is not the best / greatest choice engine wise, it was only badged a GTI here all other markets it was called the highline.
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De-cat and an ebay chip could get you 165ish. Thats what rubjonnys running, his in the a mk2, hence the need of a de-cat!
Lol those ebay chips are resistors in a plastic box, very bad for your engine!
Seems to be working for him. Think they are a lucky dip as what I've people call them!
Ebay chips are bad news, avoid if you can.
We had a mk4 diesel on the rollers at the Carbon RR day the other weekend that had an eBay £99 re-map special on it. Added about 30bhp to it with a pretty nice curve and ok power. To be honest we expected the worst before rolling it.
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De-cat and an ebay chip could get you 165ish. Thats what rubjonnys running, his in the a mk2, hence the need of a de-cat!
Lol those ebay chips are resistors in a plastic box, very bad for your engine!
Seems to be working for him. Think they are a lucky dip as what I've people call them!
Ebay chips are bad news, avoid if you can.
We had a mk4 diesel on the rollers at the Carbon RR day the other weekend that had an eBay £99 re-map special on it. Added about 30bhp to it with a pretty nice curve and ok power. To be honest we expected the worst before rolling it.
Still not the best choice, most / all tend to leave the car on the warm up map or dump extra fuel in so in the end they can cause damage.
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figures dont mean jack on a 14+ year old car! im pretty sure the 0-60 is quicker in a 16v, then after that the 8v takes over, but thats obvious. this is getting out of hand anyway. to end all of this, my mk3 hasnt been ragged, i can tell. Rant over!
lol id never buy an ebay special part to my engine, its all made by 12 year olds in thailand
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12 year olds in thailand
Some people pay good money for em! :laugh:
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figures dont mean jack on a 14+ year old car! im pretty sure the 0-60 is quicker in a 16v, then after that the 8v takes over, but thats obvious. this is getting out of hand anyway. to end all of this, my mk3 hasnt been ragged, i can tell. Rant over!
Calm down :smiley: look at what your mk4 weighs with 115bhp against the mk3 with 150bhp of course it is quicker.
The bigger problem comes when you want to make it quicker, getting more power out an ABF is not cheap or easy.
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12 year olds in thailand
Some people pay good money for em! :laugh:
but not for those type of services ;)
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A few of the mk3 boys got the eBay EPROMs instead of the crap resistors. It's a generic map so not the best, but added about 5 bhp with a decent torque curve and improved economy from what I can remember. Think they were about £50 with a best offer and I think it was khare who got one for £35. Not bad IMO.
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That sounds like an absolute bargain! Get some pictures up!
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I'd have thought the 8v's have been raggged more as the 16v and VR's don't need to be ragged to get anywhere.
That is where you are wrong fella :nerd:
all 3 need to be ragged to get the best from them, VR and 16v more so.. iv owned all 3..
16v really are not fast tho, only just faster than the 8v.. but thats just from my personal exp and i think the old 8v lump that used to be in my car must have been a healthy one..
anyhow crack on guys :grin:
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A few of the mk3 boys got the eBay EPROMs instead of the crap resistors. It's a generic map so not the best, but added about 5 bhp with a decent torque curve and improved economy from what I can remember. Think they were about £50 with a best offer and I think it was khare who got one for £35. Not bad IMO.
I fitted an ebay eprom to mine about 12 months ago,cost me £40 and can tell you i would not put the original back in,didnt gain to much in the bhp department but power delivery was definatly smoother and what i found was it gave me about 4-5 mpg extra :smiley:
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figures dont mean jack on a 14+ year old car! im pretty sure the 0-60 is quicker in a 16v, then after that the 8v takes over, but thats obvious. this is getting out of hand anyway. to end all of this, my mk3 hasnt been ragged, i can tell. Rant over!
lol id never buy an ebay special part to my engine, its all made by 12 year olds in thailand
As said, they do work, just because it's sold on ebay doesn't make it dodgy :rolleyes: Nothing else you do will make much difference anyway, unless ya going to spend hundreds.
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A few of the mk3 boys got the eBay EPROMs instead of the crap resistors. It's a generic map so not the best, but added about 5 bhp with a decent torque curve and improved economy from what I can remember. Think they were about £50 with a best offer and I think it was khare who got one for £35. Not bad IMO.
I fitted an ebay eprom to mine about 12 months ago,cost me £40 and can tell you i would not put the original back in,didnt gain to much in the bhp department but power delivery was definatly smoother and what i found was it gave me about 4-5 mpg extra :smiley:
you havent got a link to one have you mate, im intrigued!
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As said, they do work, just because it's sold on ebay doesn't make it dodgy :rolleyes: Nothing else you do will make much difference anyway, unless ya going to spend hundreds.
:undecided: So you would sooner risk your engine on a ebay chip than a proper remap that has years of research and work to get right.
My experence of ebay chips is that most of them in the end cause damage, I would never use one or recommend them to anyone.
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As said, they do work, just because it's sold on ebay doesn't make it dodgy :rolleyes: Nothing else you do will make much difference anyway, unless ya going to spend hundreds.
:undecided: So you would sooner risk your engine on a ebay chip than a proper remap that has years of research and work to get right.
My experence of ebay chips is that most of them in the end cause damage, I would never use one or recommend them to anyone.
The only eBay chip I've had anything to do with was on a Mk4 Tdi on the most recent RR day at Carbon Chiptuning. Car should have been 115bhp standard and was actually around 135bhp and had very nice power/torque curves. It did however leave a big sooty mark on the floor and filled the garage with black smoke :laugh:
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There are 2 choices on eBay. If you just put 'golf mk3 chip' in the search it will come up with em. I don't have one so can't be held responsible if it all goes Pete tong, but from what I have heard, they are not the devil as some suggest.
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The only eBay chip I've had anything to do with was on a Mk4 Tdi on the most recent RR day at Carbon Chiptuning. Car should have been 115bhp standard and was actually around 135bhp and had very nice power/torque curves. It did however leave a big sooty mark on the floor and filled the garage with black smoke :laugh:
So in other words it was overfueling badly :undecided:
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There are 2 choices on eBay. If you just put 'golf mk3 chip' in the search it will come up with em. I don't have one so can't be held responsible if it all goes Pete tong, but from what I have heard, they are not the devil as some suggest.
lol im not getting one dont worry! as ive already said id never mess around with one. just interested in what the ads actually say. i had a look, its all bullpoo. If it increases performance therefore as wayne said adding more fuel, the fuel consumption decreases? Ummm, you dont have to be a genius...
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I did say i'd put up a few pics, heres 2. Poor ones..
(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x329/Lewisb1991/379503_10151020721795473_737040472_21948984_1775863922_n.jpg)
(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x329/Lewisb1991/383608_10151020725835473_737040472_21949003_2084219009_n.jpg)
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the trick to not having to rev the abf is to put it in a stripped mk2 on the 020 gbox, it pulls off from 1000rpm at junctions in 4th gear with no hesitation whatsoever then :laugh:
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True dat. :cool: