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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Bazza1975 on 21 September 2011, 07:26
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Hi,
I'm thinking of buying an HID kit for my VR6 which has Hella quad lights fitted. I know people don't like them because they dazzle & that they are illegal but am I right in thinking that they're better fiited in projector lights (like mine) than normal headlights ?
Cheers
Baz (waiting for the abuse to start ) :grin:
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better in projector lamps, but be prepared for people to drive at you with full beam on like myself :wink:
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you will be fine, they wont dazzle nobody. had them in mine for 4 years
cars that come with them from the fac tory are worst for dazzling.. but this sort of question on this forum usually ends up with a load of hate from the usual suspects :lipsrsealed:
just dont get silly blue looking ones
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Cheers,
Just want better lights, that's all.
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where you getting them form baz? also how much your paying for them?
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I don't know yet, looking around to see if there are any good deals going.
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HID's :rolleyes: hatefull things.
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you need HIDs in my area. the amount of people just walk out onto the main road its shocking!!! they dont look just close their eyes & hope the best. also women with their farking pram. trust me wayne defo need them!!! and on nights they wear black clothes and you only seen them when they have gone over the top of your car!!! :rolleyes:
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cars that come with them from the fac tory are worst for dazzling..
ive actually noticed that on some cars, quite a few audis ect that come with them standard blind me on the way to and from work ect. but a few mates have them fited in projector head lights and theres have never blinded me :huh:
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I don't see a problem with them as long as they are being shone through a projector style headlamp and not dazzling other folk.
Whereas pink trees in sigs :grin:
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Whereas pink trees in sigs :grin:
:laugh:
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Whereas pink trees in sigs :grin:
I never made my sig so your having a dig @ the wrong person :rolleyes:
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you will be fine, they wont dazzle nobody. had them in mine for 4 years
Ahhh - cunning use of the double negative construct. If see what you're doing there. :grin:
Don't do it, no one needs to be dazzled by your bodged in rubbish, especially not the MOT tester next year. :grin:
you need HIDs in my area. the amount of people just walk out onto the main road its shocking!!! they dont look just close their eyes & hope the best. also women with their farking pram. trust me wayne defo need them!!! and on nights they wear black clothes and you only seen them when they have gone over the top of your car!!! :rolleyes:
No, you need to slow down in an urban area so you don't kill people and fit a legal relay kit which will improve the voltage to your current lights and make them much brighter. You do not need to fit HIDs. As covered many times before, unless they're in correctly designed and E-marked units they will dazzle due to the beam scatter. Anyone who doesn't see this should probably get their eyes tested as they must be blind.
See me - I'm just hating on illegal rubbish. It's not a crime, but the junk you're talking about putting in your headlight units is.
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This
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/freresmith/HeadlightUpgrade3.jpg)
Resulted in this
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/freresmith/HeadlightUpgrade.jpg)
Standard bulbs still in and without the alternator running.
Although not a great demonstration being daylight and all, I guarantee my daily drives projectors are p155 poor in comparison.
The light travels soooo far without blinding anybody, totally legal and do not suddenly stop short of themselves with a sudden end of range like HID's do within their correct fitment.
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HIDs will only glare where Halogen flares but much brighter, so stupidly bright halogen lights will have the same effect.
Although I must agree with DH on the fact that relayed headlights make a huge difference. My ign switch went and was running round with relayrd headlights bodged in (from an after fitted and gone back to standard switch and the lights are really poor in comparrison!
Running 90w bulbs and will relay them tomorrow. Legal? Not strictly but thet don't glare at all. Found 4300k HIDs were the same in these lights but awful glare in the Vento headlights.
But this set up on Relays and decent halogens is far more then enough.
Personally from a 'moral' point of view HIDs in Hellas Twins are fine as regardless of what the haters on here say THERE IS NO glare and they don't blind and have a good cut off. However, they are illegal
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Aftermarket HIDs will be an MOT failure as of January 2012, so their presence on your car will be short-lived. Get a relay kit if you really want an improvement that is legal, if not then be prepared.
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mine will pass the MOT with them fitted.. ill bet you my car on it
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mine will pass the MOT with them fitted.. ill bet you my car on it
Same.
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I have 8000k hid's fitted in my Hella quads and they are great.
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I have 8000k hid's fitted in my Hella quads and they are great.
6000k would be better
relayed lights would be best
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This
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/freresmith/HeadlightUpgrade3.jpg)
Resulted in this
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/freresmith/HeadlightUpgrade.jpg)
Standard bulbs still in and without the alternator running.
Although not a great demonstration being daylight and all, I guarantee my daily drives projectors are p155 poor in comparison.
The light travels soooo far without blinding anybody, totally legal and do not suddenly stop short of themselves with a sudden end of range like HID's do within their correct fitment.
Spot on, with a new set of headlights its even better and can be done for only a few quids.
I always run a slightly up spec battery/Alt as well to help :wink:
I must also say that aiming your lamps properly will give most people an instant improvement, so many cars have baddly aimed headlights :smiley:
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/freresmith/HeadlightUpgrade.jpg)
i bet u my car thats more dazzling than the hids in my projectors :lipsrsealed:
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mine will pass the MOT with them fitted.. ill bet you my car on it
i bet u my car thats more dazzling than the hids in my projectors :lipsrsealed:
Your confidence comes from knowing where you're going to MOT it. Take it to mine and it will fail.
Stop betting your car on sh*t. A photograpgh proves very little and in my pic full beam is on with the spots so if I drove facing someone with them like this then yes, you're right. With dipped beam they are properly aligned to compensate the cars height. I bet you your car they do not dazzle anybody ever.. I would almost bet that the quality of the light is better too.
Spot on, with a new set of headlights its even better and can be done for only a few quids.
I always run a slightly up spec battery/Alt as well to help :wink:
I must also say that aiming your lamps properly will give most people an instant improvement, so many cars have baddly aimed headlights :smiley:
As done before, I will be putting higher wattage bulbs in at some point with a better quality bulb as I prefer a whiter light. I too have a higher spec amp but that was mainly due to the sound system I used to run in this car.
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As done before, I will be putting higher wattage bulbs in at some point with a better quality bulb as I prefer a whiter light. I too have a higher spec amp but that was mainly due to the sound system I used to run in this car.
But this is also technically illegal and shouldn't pass.
I honestly believe that if the wiring was all neatly tucked away and hidden, 4300K HIDs in Hella Twins would pass even at your place, as the light is the same colour and when I had them even in stock lights (which didn't seem to glare at all, never got flashed etc but in the Vento lights glared like mad!) they looked stock.
The 90W bulbs (not actually legal either) I have ATM look more HID then 4300K HID's.
HIDs in projector lights, legal, no, moral, IMO as they (regardless of what you all say, including you Mr Hell) DO NOT GLARE in the Hella Twins, IF aimed properly. None at all. I don't think many of you have even had MK3's let alone HIDs in Hella's.
DOES NOT change the fact that they are illegal, however. That point is still 110% valid.
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First mod i did to all of my Mk2's, easiest way to spot a Mk2 was by its candles for headlights :grin:
Clever guy at my old work made me a little board so the lights got a balanced feed and did not dip and rise when I hit the go pedal this also made the bulbs last, in fact i never had a lamp go in 4 years of Mk2 ownership if you dont count the shunts :lipsrsealed:
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Brad, it appears your other posts (which were a tad harsh) have been deleted which in some ways is a shame as its hard for me to reply now.
However:
1. I was only trying to demonstrate a legal alternative, and as the cars stands now that's exactly what it is.
2. I did say in my first post as far as the second picture is concerned it was not a great demonstration. It's hard to show the improvement but you could see that they were very bright and my word needed to be taken regarding not being dazzling on dipped beam. When I said a picture proves very little I was referring to dazzle. Ideally I'd have different cars, lenses, light sources, wiring etc etc to demonstrate the differences but who's got that to hand?
3. I never once compared what I have to Hellas with HIDs in them, I never said my setup is better, I never said that your lights dazzled blah blah blah. In fact the comparison I made was against my daily that has a similar setup as the OP, Projector lenses with normal bulbs vs upgraded looms vs my experience with legal HIDs, so not sure what your problem was with what I was saying.
4. I have no idea what point you were trying to make about my car never leaving my drive or its relevance to this topic. It is not my daily driver, you know the history of this car and what it's been through, it was a big project for a year followed by 6 months on the road followed by more work over the winter now to make it even better. My current responsibilities means I haven't got money p155ing out of my ears so it's slow moving at times, I have to do everything myself and to be fair I wouldn't pay someone to do it all for me even if I could afford it.
Now I don't even know why I'm feeling the need to justify myself!
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Their any guides for relaying your lights? As car electrics are about 10ft over my head. And with my sub running they dim with low bass notes :sad:
Why are they illegal bellend?
Relayed lights aren't. I was referring to higher wattage bulbs.
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Their any guides for relaying your lights? As car electrics are about 10ft over my head. And with my sub running they dim with low bass notes :sad:
Why are they illegal bellend?
a capacitor should sort that out if you havent got one in your audio system already?
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Their any guides for relaying your lights? As car electrics are about 10ft over my head. And with my sub running they dim with low bass notes :sad:
Why are they illegal bellend?
a capacitor should sort that out if you havent got one in your audio system already?
This and/or upgrade your alternator.
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Their any guides for relaying your lights? As car electrics are about 10ft over my head. And with my sub running they dim with low bass notes :sad:
Why are they illegal bellend?
a capacitor should sort that out if you havent got one in your audio system already?
This and/or upgrade your alternator.
This is generally down to bad earthing and/or general wiring. It shouldn't happen. Clean up earthing points as a first step.
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Their any guides for relaying your lights? As car electrics are about 10ft over my head. And with my sub running they dim with low bass notes :sad:
Why are they illegal bellend?
a capacitor should sort that out if you havent got one in your audio system already?
This and/or upgrade your alternator.
This is generally down to bad earthing and/or general wiring. It shouldn't happen. Clean up earthing points as a first step.
Wonder what the quality of the install is like. :lipsrsealed:
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Their any guides for relaying your lights? As car electrics are about 10ft over my head. And with my sub running they dim with low bass notes :sad:
Why are they illegal bellend?
a capacitor should sort that out if you havent got one in your audio system already?
This and/or upgrade your alternator.
This is generally down to bad earthing and/or general wiring. It shouldn't happen. Clean up earthing points as a first step.
Wonder what the quality of the install is like. :lipsrsealed:
Cheers mate :grin: It's not bad, earthed to where the rear lights are earthed and connected to alternator nice and tight, think it's the thickness and cable quality letting it down.
Also have a problem with the amp melting fuses but not blowing them, but thats for the audio section...
anyway
What gains do you get from relaying the lights, and what Wattage is the legal limit?
What count's as illegal, i.e colours etc
IMO HID's are going to die out fast unless your going to want to get pulled over alot
SORT YOUR CABLES OUT! What gauge cable and what wattage sub? Most likely have the glass fuses yeah? Well they're crap. Sorry. :P
A big gain. I'm not too sure on a MK4 tbh. You can find out yourself though if you like electrics by sticking a new cable on the positive direct from the battery, see how much it brightens up.
55w.
Gotta be yellow or white or the normal halogen colour. I'd imagine its an MOT/Traffic police descretion thing. If they are bright blue then just no.
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Their any guides for relaying your lights? As car electrics are about 10ft over my head. And with my sub running they dim with low bass notes :sad:
Why are they illegal bellend?
a capacitor should sort that out if you havent got one in your audio system already?
This and/or upgrade your alternator.
This is generally down to bad earthing and/or general wiring. It shouldn't happen. Clean up earthing points as a first step.
Wonder what the quality of the install is like. :lipsrsealed:
Cheers mate :grin: It's not bad, earthed to where the rear lights are earthed and connected to alternator nice and tight, think it's the thickness and cable quality letting it down.
Also have a problem with the amp melting fuses but not blowing them, but thats for the audio section...
anyway
What gains do you get from relaying the lights, and what Wattage is the legal limit?
What count's as illegal, i.e colours etc
IMO HID's are going to die out fast unless your going to want to get pulled over alot
SORT YOUR CABLES OUT! What gauge cable and what wattage sub? Most likely have the glass fuses yeah? Well they're crap. Sorry. :P
A big gain. I'm not too sure on a MK4 tbh. You can find out yourself though if you like electrics by sticking a new cable on the positive direct from the battery, see how much it brightens up.
55w.
Gotta be yellow or white or the normal halogen colour. I'd imagine its an MOT/Traffic police descretion thing. If they are bright blue then just no.
No idea what gauge
Ermm no idea, from the pound shop
look in audio section and theirs a post by me in their with the amp info.
Ok cool
Think mine are 50watt and Legal
so why the relays and stuff?
Guide for mk4 anywhere?
Kk.
Probs 55 like standard and should be.
Because on the MK1/2/3 the lighting loom which starts at the battery and when the alternator is turning at 14.4v the loom goes all the way through the car, through fuses and the switch and the result can be like 10V when it finally reaches the bulbs. The relay kit allows a direct connection from the battery to the bulb and thus 14.4V and much brighter lights.
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Probs 55 like standard and should be.
Because on the MK1/2/3 the lighting loom which starts at the battery and when the alternator is turning at 14.4v the loom goes all the way through the car, through fuses and the switch and the result can be like 10V when it finally reaches the bulbs. The relay kit allows a direct connection from the battery to the bulb and thus 14.4V and much brighter lights.
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just tried the direct connection from battery, they make just make a TINY diffrence in brightness, i have RING H1 SPORTZ BLUE 80watts :undecided:
just spend £16 getting a relay holder aswell today.
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sorry mate i have a mk3 bud.
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na defo aint relayed. had car for 5yrs now and ive changed the lighting loom to.
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MK5 golf was the first golf to have relayed headlights, you will however have a relay for high beam.
Mk 1 and 2 and possibly 3 appreciate the upgrade more as the wiring is weaker in places in my opinion, especially with higher wattage bulbs (although illegal but not as bad as HIDs if setup correctly)
You must not fit higher wattage bulbs without a relay system in place.. I have witnessed first hand what can happen. FIRE
You won't necessary notice much difference on their own, you may notice it better when your alternator/battery are running more than just lights. ie less or no dimming if thats an issue
Then again, mk4 being quite a modern car you may not notice anything at all with standard bulbs with relays.
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MK5 golf was the first golf to have relayed headlights, you will however have a relay for high beam.
Mk 1 and 2 and possibly 3 appreciate the upgrade more as the wiring is weaker in places in my opinion, especially with higher wattage bulbs (although illegal but not as bad as HIDs if setup correctly)
You must not fit higher wattage bulbs without a relay system in place.. I have witnessed first hand what can happen. FIRE
You won't necessary notice much difference on their own, you may notice it better when your alternator/battery are running more than just lights. ie less or no dimming if thats an issue
Then again, mk4 being quite a modern car you may not notice anything at all with standard bulbs with relays.
Not necessarily a relay system but a beefy wiring upgrade.
Relays are best but make sure the wiring is up to the job.
I rewired my lights internally for bigger bulbs.
All worked fine and dandy til it finished off the dying ignition switch. :grin:
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MK5 golf was the first golf to have relayed headlights, you will however have a relay for high beam.
Mk 1 and 2 and possibly 3 appreciate the upgrade more as the wiring is weaker in places in my opinion, especially with higher wattage bulbs (although illegal but not as bad as HIDs if setup correctly)
You must not fit higher wattage bulbs without a relay system in place.. I have witnessed first hand what can happen. FIRE
You won't necessary notice much difference on their own, you may notice it better when your alternator/battery are running more than just lights. ie less or no dimming if thats an issue
Then again, mk4 being quite a modern car you may not notice anything at all with standard bulbs with relays.
Not necessarily a relay system but a beefy wiring upgrade.
Relays are best but make sure the wiring is up to the job.
I rewired my lights internally for bigger bulbs.
All worked fine and dandy til it finished off the dying ignition switch. :grin:
Point. I should have made it clear that when I mention a relay system I should add that this involves new wiring and not the OEM stuff. The OEM stuff can be reused as triggers.
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MK5 golf was the first golf to have relayed headlights, you will however have a relay for high beam.
Mk 1 and 2 and possibly 3 appreciate the upgrade more as the wiring is weaker in places in my opinion, especially with higher wattage bulbs (although illegal but not as bad as HIDs if setup correctly)
You must not fit higher wattage bulbs without a relay system in place.. I have witnessed first hand what can happen. FIRE
You won't necessary notice much difference on their own, you may notice it better when your alternator/battery are running more than just lights. ie less or no dimming if thats an issue
Then again, mk4 being quite a modern car you may not notice anything at all with standard bulbs with relays.
Not necessarily a relay system but a beefy wiring upgrade.
Relays are best but make sure the wiring is up to the job.
I rewired my lights internally for bigger bulbs.
All worked fine and dandy til it finished off the dying ignition switch. :grin:
Point. I should have made it clear that when I mention a relay system I should add that this involves new wiring and not the OEM stuff. The OEM stuff can be reused as triggers.
You know dat'. ;)