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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: rich100 on 31 August 2011, 22:24
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HI
I'm new to the forum but I would be very grateful for the benefit of any advice you could provide.
I am currently running a MK 5 Gti which I have been very pleased with but now i'm thinking of changing it. I'm thinking about a mk 6 but am also considering possibly switching to either an S line Audi A4 or A5 sportback as part of me thinks it would be good to have a complete change.
I'm very likely in the wrong place for advice on Audis but I would be very grateful for any advice re the golf. Specifically i'm interested in whether the Mk 6 is much of an improvement on the 5 and essentially would you consider it to be a worthwhile move to trade up. I haven't driven a mk 6 yet but I had a look around one the other day and the interior seemed to have been improved upon.
Any views appreciated.
Many thanks
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This should be interesting :huh:
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Get A5 sportback if you want a compleet change , but I will say the Mk6 is much better car than the MK5 also better cabin and drives nicer more refined !! :wink:
Wellcome to the forum.
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Get A5 sportback if you want a compleet change , but I will say the Mk6 is much better car than the MK5 also better cabin and drives nicer more refined !! :wink:
Wellcome to the forum.
Yeah the MK6, it is nicer inside for sure than the MK5. My last 3 cars have been Audi's, A3 Sporback S-Line was my last car. I have no regrets getting a Mk6 GTI instead of it.
Jim
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Rich
If you can live with the A5 sportback then go for it. The Golf is a beautiful car but I'd say the A5 pips it!
The caveat is what engine and what spec.
3.0 TDi Quattro S-Line is the one to go for.....
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Dont get the mk6 :lipsrsealed:
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There are faster cars, more refined cars......
However, I've just ordered my second mk6 gti after having a mk5. Difference from mk5 to mk6 felt quite a lot to me.
I considered the a5 sportback as my dad has one. Beautiful car, just very different drive altogether. Gti feels like a go kart in comparison.
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Guys, thanks for the responses so far. very interesting.
Re the A5 I thought I would probably go for the 2 litre petrol rather than the diesal mainly because i don't do that many miles and don't think i'd recoup the benefits of the diesal over time. Also I've read quite a bit about DPF issues with diesals causing problems.
Part of the reason for considering the A5 is the practicalicalities of having a hatchback, seemed to be quite a good compromise, but i'm not sure whether i want to waft about so hence the Gti is still on my list.
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Dont get the mk6 :lipsrsealed:
Thanks mate.... any particular reasons?
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There are faster cars, more refined cars......
However, I've just ordered my second mk6 gti after having a mk5. Difference from mk5 to mk6 felt quite a lot to me.
I considered the a5 sportback as my dad has one. Beautiful car, just very different drive altogether. Gti feels like a go kart in comparison.
IMHO
Having driven quite a few A5's and sportbacks (2wd) I agree, when you say they drive "different" do you mean "unless your slowly cruising around they are not good, struggle for grip and when pushed hard everything goes to sh1t"? :grin:
I loved my mk5 gti, it was so well balanced, I'm not sure the mk6 is quite as perfect as a drivers car but in all other ways it's better, quieter, trim is a good deal better etc
Go drive the cars you want and give them a good seeing to if that's your thing :smiley:
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Dont get the mk6 :lipsrsealed:
Thanks mate.... any particular reasons?
He prefer's rear wheel drive :wink: for those man moments in Leeds :grin:
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Spot on Doc! I was trying to be diplomatic. A5 is different in terms that there's no eagerness from the car in comparison to the Gti. I've driven the 2.0 litre petrol and it really is a cruiser!
@ rich100 Loads of room for passengers though and very comfortable inside, but don't be fooled by the boot space. Lots of it I've found to be wasted as the roofline is quite low. A very long and shallow boot. V nice car though.
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Loved my Mk5 but the Mk6 is definitely a step up for the reasons a posted above.
I looked at a new S3 at the weekend but I couldn't justify the extra money for one of those. Nope I'm very happy with the car I've got.......... for now anyway :wink:
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Dont get the mk6 :lipsrsealed:
Thanks mate.... any particular reasons?
He prefer's rear wheel drive :wink: for those man moments in Leeds :grin:
as opposed to those... not going anywhere moments in london :grin:
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Well, that went much more civilised than I thought it was going to go.
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Well, that went much more civilised than I thought it was going to go.
Bollox to it then.... all mk5's are crap :tongue:
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Whats that? The MK6 is just a MK5 with a nose job? The same car just much more money you say? What do you mean the MK6 R uses the MK5 FSI engine because its stronger and better? :D :D
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Dont get the mk6 :lipsrsealed:
How many times did you crash yours ?
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Whats that? The MK6 is just a MK5 with a nose job? The same car just much more money you say? What do you mean the MK6 R uses the MK5 FSI engine because its stronger and better? :D :D
It's hardely just a nose job, it's more a boob job, face lift, tumy tuck, collagen implant, chemical skin peel and tooth job.
Effectively the the same underneath but crap loads better.
Jim
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:D :D
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Moving from Mk5 Golf to Mk6 status is an upgrade. Better in every way which matters.
The A5 Sportback is a misshapen wheeled cigar with disgustingly obtuse proportions. I would not even consider driving it as it would need oars instead.
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Moving from Mk5 Golf to Mk6 status is an upgrade. Better in every way which matters.
The A5 Sportback is a misshapen wheeled cigar with disgustingly obtuse proportions. I would not even consider driving it as it would need oars instead.
The A5's only seem to look good to me in white for some reason.
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Oh I quite like the A5s but not in sportback form, any car with more than 2 passenger doors is just wrong anyway.
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Dont get the mk6 :lipsrsealed:
How many times did you crash yours ?
I never crashed it once. It was driven in to a few times. Doesnt make up for the poor effort by VW. I would jump back into a mk5 any day... I would never do the same with a mk6.
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Moving from Mk5 Golf to Mk6 status is an upgrade. Better in every way which matters.
The A5 Sportback is a misshapen wheeled cigar with disgustingly obtuse proportions. I would not even consider driving it as it would need oars instead.
LMAO!!
I think if I was going down the audi route I would prefer the two door a5 but at the moment need 4 doors otherwise getting the kids in and out is a nightmare. Some great posts though thanks, think I am more leaning towards the GTI.
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Dont get the mk6 :lipsrsealed:
How many times did you crash yours ?
I never crashed it once. It was driven in to a few times. Doesnt make up for the poor effort by VW. I would jump back into a mk5 any day... I would never do the same with a mk6.
Gilly I think SimonPolly was making the point that your car is hardly in the same condition that it left the factory. Regardless of circumstance (or blame) your car has had several impacts which could all account for your bodywork issues and water leaks. Then there is your remap on the car which - although now removed - may have accounted for (in part if not in full) the engine issues you had. If you had kept your car fully standard with no impacts then your argument against VW would be greatly strengthened.
Back to the OP
The A5 is a much bigger car. Personally I prefer the comparatively compact dimensions of the Golf. It's just the right size IMO. As a standard car with 210 PS it is very balanced and can be great fun to drive. A remap unlocks more power and can change the character of the car (but this applies to any car really so it's not MK6 GTI/D specific).
As for coming from a Mk5, the Mk5 always felt like a solid car when I was in it. There wasn't however much of a premium feel and it certainly wasn't going to win any awards for design. Looks wise the Mk6 is kind of the same (with a typical VW layout and similar if not the same switchgear) but the overall impression has changed from just a solid feeling hatch to a much more premium feeling car. Spec it right and I seriously doubt you'll experience any hardship choosing a VW Mk6 over an Audi - so there is a definite improvement coming from the mk5. And IMO the Mk5 was/is a great car, so I'm not saying this to bash the Mk5 but instead to present it as more of a measure to demonstrate how far VW has come.
We also have a recently created sticky which has some owner's views of their cars for just such individuals as yourself.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=204070.0
Have a read through that if you like.
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Oh I quite like the A5s but not in sportback form, any car with more than 2 passenger doors is just wrong anyway.
I've never understood why anyone would buy a 20 foot long car and only want 2 doors, unless they're buying a £100k plus GT car with a massive V12 engine or something.
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Penguin GTI - Thanks a lot for your advice and also and for the link , i'll have a look at that.
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Dont get the mk6 :lipsrsealed:
How many times did you crash yours ?
I never crashed it once. It was driven in to a few times. Doesnt make up for the poor effort by VW. I would jump back into a mk5 any day... I would never do the same with a mk6.
Gilly I think SimonPolly was making the point that your car is hardly in the same condition that it left the factory. Regardless of circumstance (or blame) your car has had several impacts which could all account for your bodywork issues and water leaks. Then there is your remap on the car which - although now removed - may have accounted for (in part if not in full) the engine issues you had. If you had kept your car fully standard with no impacts then your argument against VW would be greatly strengthened.
Back to the OP
The A5 is a much bigger car. Personally I prefer the comparatively compact dimensions of the Golf. It's just the right size IMO. As a standard car with 210 PS it is very balanced and can be great fun to drive. A remap unlocks more power and can change the character of the car (but this applies to any car really so it's not MK6 GTI/D specific).
As for coming from a Mk5, the Mk5 always felt like a solid car when I was in it. There wasn't however much of a premium feel and it certainly wasn't going to win any awards for design. Looks wise the Mk6 is kind of the same (with a typical VW layout and similar if not the same switchgear) but the overall impression has changed from just a solid feeling hatch to a much more premium feeling car. Spec it right and I seriously doubt you'll experience any hardship choosing a VW Mk6 over an Audi - so there is a definite improvement coming from the mk5. And IMO the Mk5 was/is a great car, so I'm not saying this to bash the Mk5 but instead to present it as more of a measure to demonstrate how far VW has come.
We also have a recently created sticky which has some owner's views of their cars for just such individuals as yourself.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=204070.0
Have a read through that if you like.
Just re the spec, i;d probably buy a second hand one, are there any specific options you would look for? My current car is pretty much a basic spec gti.
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Are there any specific extras you fancy? The more flexible you are on spec the easier it will be to pick up a deal. Most things can easily be retrofitted and there are plenty of how to guides on the forums.
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Most people on here will swear by the Xenons and the 510 sound upgrade. I've got neither so I can't comment.
Then there's the ever contentious DSG/ Manual debate. I went for DSG and don't regret it in the slightest. For me it adds to the refinement of the car and makes driving - even quickly - just that bit more manageable. At the end of the day it's personal preference and from what I've heard even the manual in the GTI's is a pleasure to use. Sorry I can't be more conclusive.
After that it's a toss up really between alloys, Adaptive Chassis Control and Leather. Again I'm sorry but I'm probably not much use regarding these. The Monza shadows look stunning but the whiteworm issues and the speculated ride degradation put me off (I've never tested the car on 18's though so I can't qualify my reservations about the increased diameter). As for the ACC (Chassis Control), I didn't get it and I wish I had. Although if you're coming from a Mk5 GTI then you will be use to the ride so you'll know what to expect. I just think being able to tone down the firmness sometimes would be nice. And lastly is the leather, again it's personal preference but the tartan looks far too good not to get it IMO.
Sorry it's not much advice but most of the options are down to personal preference. There's nothing *necessary* on the GTI which kind of speaks for itself by just how good the standard car is.
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VW should make the ACC option standard for all cars with 17†rims and greater. This is a must have feature without which, the ride is too rough and uncomfortable for broken UK roads. ACC truly transforms the car from adequate/good to exceptional.
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http://youtu.be/CAqf9nKPU4k
enough said :smug:
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http://youtu.be/CAqf9nKPU4k
enough said :smug:
207bhp to 198bhp of the mark 5 really is a big difference :rolleyes:
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http://youtu.be/CAqf9nKPU4k
enough said :smug:
207bhp to 198bhp of the mark 5 really is a big difference :rolleyes:
Steve, I agree with you that 9hp is hardly worth shouting about however in a simple drag race the XDS of the Mk6 will also give the newer car better grip. A little increase in power, a little increase in torque, a slightly wider torque spread, a better diff. It's all small things that add up.
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IMHO the mk6 GTI ride is harder than the mk5 GTI.
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IMHO the mk6 GTI ride is harder than the mk5 GTI.
I cant remember its been so long in a mk5 :grin:
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They only thing i didnt like about the Mk 6 was the loss of "feel" from driving it Comparing it to my Ed30.
Its too refined, although some people would prefer not to hear and feel whats going on under your hands and ears, i prefer this..
To part with 15k at least to get something thats abit more muted and an engine thats not as tunable, a Golf R in 2nd hand, year or 2 year old car is more appealing to me..
But everyone is different in their choices and reasoning..
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http://youtu.be/CAqf9nKPU4k
enough said :smug:
207bhp to 198bhp of the mark 5 really is a big difference :rolleyes:
Steve, I agree with you that 9hp is hardly worth shouting about however in a simple drag race the XDS of the Mk6 will also give the newer car better grip. A little increase in power, a little increase in torque, a slightly wider torque spread, a better diff. It's all small things that add up.
Its also heavier the MK6, and surposidly the same 0-60 as its predecessor?? why isnt it quicker then if XDS gives better traction?
Still think from that video, alot depends on its driver rather then the person managed to get a better start then the other..Not a fair comparison imo
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not to hear and feel whats going on under your hands and ears, i prefer this..
Its funny i hear this said all the time by current mk5 owners and as an ex mk5 owner and someone who still drives a mk5 GTI every so often i don't feel this myself. After a few thousand miles the engine/exhaust are much louder in the mk6 then when new. Theres as much feeling in the steering (something thats i really need and few modern cars have) but these feelings are only true when the same tyre pressures and tyres are used.
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http://youtu.be/CAqf9nKPU4k
enough said :smug:
207bhp to 198bhp of the mark 5 really is a big difference :rolleyes:
:grin: : camera never lies
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When i considered the mk6 GTI i comparing the performance to the mk5 GTI with reviews in the Autocar magazine tests....
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Its also heavier the MK6, and surposidly the same 0-60 as its predecessor?? why isnt it quicker then if XDS gives better traction?
Still think from that video, alot depends on its driver rather then the person managed to get a better start then the other..Not a fair comparison imo
As far as 0-60 times go, the VW site provided 7.1 for the Mk5 GTI manual which has now dropped to 6.9 for the Mk6 Manual. With DSG the figures were 6.9 for the Mk5 and 6.7 for the Mk6.
I do agree with you however that the video in question looks a little off.
In the real world to the average driver 0.2 seconds is not going to be noticeable.
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IMHO the mk6 GTI ride is harder than the mk5 GTI.
The anti-roll bars are thicker on the Mk6 GTI than on the Mk5 GTI, which tightens body control. Consequently, there is a chunkier feel through the steering on turn-in so there will be more feedback, a better sense of the grip on offer and therefore the driver will have more confidence.
The spring rates are also firmer. Therefore, a slightly firmer ride. Some people consider this more 'planted'.
Thus, the Mk6 GTI is 'sharper' to drive than the Mk5 GTI. This was the goal set by Ulrich Sonnak who was the Chassis Engineer for the Mk6 GTI.
You might also be interested to know that the 3 stage ACC (or DCC) dampers on the Mk6 GTI have been re-calibrated to that on lesser models by being firmer in comfort, normal and sport modes.
Its also heavier the MK6, and surposidly the same 0-60 as its predecessor?? why isnt it quicker then if XDS gives better traction?
Still think from that video, alot depends on its driver rather then the person managed to get a better start then the other..Not a fair comparison imo
As far as 0-60 times go, the VW site provided 7.1 for the Mk5 GTI manual which has now dropped to 6.9 for the Mk6 Manual. With DSG the figures were 6.9 for the Mk5 and 6.7 for the Mk6.
I do agree with you however that the video in question looks a little off.
In the real world to the average driver 0.2 seconds is not going to be noticeable.
The manual Mk6 GTI has a 2 mph greater maximum speed than the DSG equipped one. The former car is less hefty.
All I can say is that, IMVHO, the VW Golf Mk6 GTI is the near perfect car that one can get at the present for the price. I simply love it more and more each day. The perfect choice for me :smug:
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Its also heavier the MK6, and surposidly the same 0-60 as its predecessor?? why isnt it quicker then if XDS gives better traction?
Still think from that video, alot depends on its driver rather then the person managed to get a better start then the other..Not a fair comparison imo
As far as 0-60 times go, the VW site provided 7.1 for the Mk5 GTI manual which has now dropped to 6.9 for the Mk6 Manual. With DSG the figures were 6.9 for the Mk5 and 6.7 for the Mk6.
I do agree with you however that the video in question looks a little off.
In the real world to the average driver 0.2 seconds is not going to be noticeable.
According to vw's own car configuration, a DSG mk6 is 6.9 to 60.... Same as it's predecessor isn't it not... :lipsrsealed:
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Guys, many thanks again for all your advice with this :smiley:
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Its also heavier the MK6, and surposidly the same 0-60 as its predecessor?? why isnt it quicker then if XDS gives better traction?
Still think from that video, alot depends on its driver rather then the person managed to get a better start then the other..Not a fair comparison imo
As far as 0-60 times go, the VW site provided 7.1 for the Mk5 GTI manual which has now dropped to 6.9 for the Mk6 Manual. With DSG the figures were 6.9 for the Mk5 and 6.7 for the Mk6.
I do agree with you however that the video in question looks a little off.
In the real world to the average driver 0.2 seconds is not going to be noticeable.
According to vw's own car configuration, a DSG mk6 is 6.9 to 60.... Same as it's predecessor isn't it not... :lipsrsealed:
Ah well. It doesn't really matter to us two anyway. That's for normal GTI's. Our's are red :grin:
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This is more like it. All this being nice and agreeing each other at the start of the thread was just a silly game :)