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General => General discussion => Topic started by: mosdef on 12 April 2005, 13:30
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Hi,
Im currently looking for a 95-97 MK3 Golf Gti. Hoping to get one with mileage around 60,000 to 90,000.
Some things are a must re. the black heated leathers
It will probably be a 8v although 16v is a possibility.
This is my first MK3 Golf. Is there anywhere (or someone) who could help me with things to lok for?
I.E. What can usually go wrong with these?
Also does anybody know how much difference there is between, colour concept, anniversary versions etc.
Is colour concept the best for leathers?
Would you buy a MK3 without service history or previous MOT's? Does VW have a record of service on their computers?
Thanks
P.S. If anybody wants to sell their pls do reply....
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Get a 16v if insurance allows. Running costs are pretty similar for 8 and 16vs.
Read back through the mk3 section for common problems and faults. There is a big issue with stalling, cutting out juddering etc with quite a few causes and solutions as you will see from the many many posts on the subject.
Most of the solutions are inexpensive and easy so don't let it put you off mk3s.
Also see the mk3 buying guide in the mk3 section.
Differences between anniversary, colour concepts are purely cosmetic. There is no mechanical or performance differences. I.E colour concepts all have colour coded leather interiors and bbs solitude wheels and come in some exclusive colours. With nice recaro seats too.
Anniversarys have 16" bbs RX2 wheels, anniverasy checked interiors with red seat belts, red stiching on the gear gaitor and steering wheel, smoked front fog lights, golf ball gear knob and other stuff probably.
Getting a colour concept obviously gurantees leather, but the colours are not to everyones taste, although there are black ones with black leather.
Don't pay over the odds for a special edition unless it's in mint condition.
I wouldn't bother with a car without service history, golf gti's weren't exactly cheap so there are plenty around that have been looked after by people with enough cash to maintain them properly. Cars with none or with patchy service histories just raise too many questions about their past.
Leather is a fairly rare option on normal 8v and only slightly more common on 16vs so be prepared for a good hunt to find a car with leather that's worth buying.
VW do keep service records, if the car has been serviced at a main dealer. Although the records are not always complete.
Good luck with the search!
(can you tell i'm bored at work today? :rolleyes:)
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Getting a colour concept obviously gurantees leather, but the colours are not to everyones taste, although there are black ones with black leather.
so is mine a CC 16v? :)
btw.. one more thing not mentioned
heaters, air-conditioning and climatronic.
heaters.. just the standard old thing in most cars..
air-con really just lets you blow cold air / demist, good for summer.
climatronic(i believe) lets you set a temperature and the car will "make it so" as picard would say
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Getting a colour concept obviously gurantees leather, but the colours are not to everyones taste, although there are black ones with black leather.
so is mine a CC 16v? :)
btw.. one more thing not mentioned
heaters, air-conditioning and climatronic.
heaters.. just the standard old thing in most cars..
air-con really just lets you blow cold air / demist, good for summer.
climatronic(i believe) lets you set a temperature and the car will "make it so" as picard would say
Good point Overseer! Make sure you get Air Con!!!
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Buy an 8v, its got more low down torque  :laugh:
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I can't believe you just said that Corin...........you stirring? :lipsrsealed:
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Thanks to everybody who replied - especially the dude whos bored @ work (join the club :laugh:)
I have been offered:
97 2.0 GTi Colour Concept 5dr Hatchback Special Eds,
Petrol, 78,000 miles, . Black, Full leather, Heated seats,air con ,remote central locking total closure,electric/heated mirrors,sony
Patchy service history but majority present.
Price: £2,800
Im going to view today - Will upload a pic tomorrow if all goes well.
I wanted 16v but i think i the 8v will suffice (next one will be 16v)
Thanks
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That colour concept sounds good.
Make sure the cambelt has been changed. Take it for as long a test drive as possible, and if it's good beat the price down as much as possible.
Could be a bargain.
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Cambelt change on its own is pointless, at 78k the tensioner MUST of been done as well.
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Indeed. Oh and your next one should be a VR6!! :grin:
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test drive a 16v if you can too.. just to see how much u notice the difference...
price doesnt seem too bad.. not sure what mine would be worth now (its got 80k on it and is in great nick)
ps *cough* 8v's are gay *cough* LOL!
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ps *cough* 8v's are gay *cough* LOL!
:grin: :laugh: :evil:
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LOL i would love a 16v but for now:
Beggars/choosers etc = 8V
Ta
The only issue with that car im viewing tonight is the bloomin 5 DOORS!
I cant find a 3 Door 16V Golf with Leathers to save my life.....
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^ you can buy mine....
... for 5K :cool:
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Buy an 8v, its got more low down torque  :laugh:
You torque too much.... :laugh: :wink:
Quote from: Overseer on Today at 15:04:28
ps *cough* 8v's are gay *cough* LOL! ..................." I thought 16v were better for going uphill".... :huh:
:laugh: :laugh: :tongue:
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i heard the 8V has more Torque aswell (at lower revs obviously)
Slight off topic - i am going to get the headlight conversion:
I saw the lights below on ebay - Nice hey?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7966053744&fromMakeTrack=true
Overseer:
Your pic didnt show + £3000 & you got a deal :tongue:
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Apparently it's a myth but you can still give a 16v a run for its money in an 8v up to about 70mph theres not a great deal of difference im sure one of the my cars better than your car people will have something to say about that though .. :laugh: :laugh: :tongue:
Mines an 8v Btw... :evil: :grin:
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Hey overseer where is this Buying guide you referred to?
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When you get fed up of the 8 vs 16 valve bickering, compromise and get 12 valves. :grin:
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How would you do that?
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Get a valver or you will be disappointed with the performance and have even the mk2 8v p!ss all over you :evil:
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How would you do that?
With a VR6.
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Get a valver or you will be disappointed with the performance and have even the mk2 8v p!ss all over you :evil:
Hmm now thats encouragement -
Whats a Valver?
I was considering VR6 before i saw the MPG figures - Woaw - Crazy....
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i heard the 8V has more Torque aswell (at lower revs obviously)
no two words are missing. the 8v has more OF ITS torque low down ;)
then it goes out the window LMFAO
generally speaking.. both cars are fine around town...
the 16v is better on the open road
Overseer:
Your pic didnt show + £3000 & you got a deal :tongue:
the gap was for humour...
maybe i just should have put the word "sike" LOL
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I can't believe you just said that Corin...........you stirring? :lipsrsealed:
thats a first for a very, very, very long time........
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I'm only teasing..........I know he is a reformed character now :evil: Actually it has been quiet on that front hasn't it :wink:
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yeah he has.......think it is because blacky isnt here :huh:
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oh and wat a shame that is!!
Valver = 16v
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Get a valver or you will be disappointed with the performance and have even the mk2 8v p!ss all over you :evil:
So why did you bottle out of a race at newark :grin:
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because u little monley u have a 16v and I wasn't in my mk2 n b wouldn't let me drive his car for some unknown reason  :evil:
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Here monkey boy have a mk2 banana.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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tis better than a mk3 banana :grin:
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But my bannana is better than your bananna
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Think b was wise not to let you drive!
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He was, it was only a joke anyway.
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your banana went off its best before years ago  :evil:
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because u little monley u have a 16v and I wasn't in my mk2 n b wouldn't let me drive his car for some unknown reason :evil:
would that be the ever-so-small-possibility of ot facing the wrong way on a road????
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because u little monley u have a 16v and I wasn't in my mk2 n b wouldn't let me drive his car for some unknown reason :evil:
would that be the ever-so-small-possibility of ot facing the wrong way on a road????
FAF
No it was her insistance on me only being able to drive in reverse
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its hard to reverse in a straight line and we all know mk3's cant do corners
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or females reverse :wink:
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I can so i can go in all directions at the same time!! :evil:
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Hey just realised why all you children are on here tonight! MSN aint working! :rolleyes:
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or females reverse :wink:
:rolleyes: :grin: :grin: :evil: :evil:
my msn is fine len
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:evil: if this is moved will we loose the posts count? :evil:
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and, post hijacking rules...... :evil:
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mwahahahahahahahahaah
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but is the mk3 8v really a gti
hah ahahaha
:evil:
but the 16v dont have the gti badge so is it less of a gti and can wotto really drive??
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:evil: if this is moved will we loose the posts count? :evil:
Nah that only applies to new young fillies surely? :evil:
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nah, the 8v is a gl isnt it????? :laugh: :evil:
dunno, havent seen him drive :huh:
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:evil:
lucky you
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i have gti badge on both sides of my car, so ner ner na ner ner.
And yes i can drive :grin:
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thats another debate entirely :grin:
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but the 16v dont have the gti badge so is it less of a gti and can wotto really drive??
yeah it does.. just not on the front..
it has it on both sides and the back...
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oooh see now I know  :smiley:
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Well erm,
I Bought it. Its Awesome.
Im going to dish out a lil TLC the take some pics.
Thanks for all the help/humour
Ta
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GTi doesn't really exist after mk2's, buy a vr6 :laugh:
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The car is due a service and cambelt/tensioner change.
Also it has the prob with the Juddering @ 70 MPH or 3000 Revs.
Im in Manchester - is it worth taking the car to the local dealer (Old Trafford, Gilbert Lawton) or does anybody know of any decent (& cheaper) peeps in Manchester?
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GTi doesn't really exist after mk2's, buy a vr6 :laugh:
the vr6 doesnt even have a GTI badge.. at least the 8v and 16v do :P
hahaha :-*
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Well stated Mr Seer :grin:
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GTi doesn't really exist after mk2's, buy a vr6 :laugh:
the vr6 doesnt even have a GTI badge.. at least the 8v and 16v do :P
hahaha :-*
That's because it's a VR6 and not a GTI ! :grin: :wink:
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wow gibby nothing gets past you eh!!
I heard that juddering is quite common my mk2 does it sometimes but she's a digi and a moody cow
Any ref to me and my car and I will cut them off :evil:
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wow gibby nothing gets past you eh!!
Nope, especially mk3 GTIs ! :laugh: :laugh:
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wow gibby nothing gets past you eh!!
I heard that juddering is quite common my mk2 does it sometimes but she's a digi and a moody cow
Any ref to me and my car and I will cut them off :evil:
juddering only happens when you have the car skidding around on the road....... :tongue: :wink:
You will never forget....
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wow gibby nothing gets past you eh!!
Nope, especially mk3 GTIs ! :laugh: :laugh:
Bet mine would :grin:
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so long as you aint driving it eh :grin:
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wait till I get me uprated cams dropped in :grin:
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sweet that might just make up for the weight of the beast wat bout the handling then? Gonna change the rudders  :evil:
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The handlings been sorted sith the lowering kit :grin:
And I am going to get a new Euro Car Parts branded rudder, as I have heard GFS only supply parts that do not fit :evil:
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Really where did you hear that information? Are you sure its from someone who knows what they are talking about?
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:evil:
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Bet mine would :grin:
No way man because I would slow right down in front of you and weave around so you couldn't get past ! :laugh: :wink:
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^^and cos of his barge, he wouldnt handle well and skid all over the place...... :wink:
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^^and cos of his barge, he wouldnt handle well and skid all over the place...... :wink:
Exactly ! :wink: :laugh:
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
*mix runs before the mk3 mob appear
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I'll take him off the raod :cool:
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along with half the other drivers on the road :wink: :tongue:
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yeah jus watch me mwhahaha
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Anyway, back to the point...
16v are better :cool: :grin:
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:D
^^and cos of his barge, he wouldnt handle well and skid all over the place...... :wink:
Exactly ! :wink: :laugh:
uh.. no... for stopping we have ABS.. and under 25 mph mk3 valvers + 6's have got a basic form of traction control..
tsk tsk...
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Don't take any notice mr.seer, they don't have a clue about cars (or parts suppliers) :laugh: :evil:
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aww we in good company with youu then :grin:
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yeah alright mate :laugh:
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we do know about cars, we know about oil changes etc
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yeah and how to stick pink diamonte tax disc holders on :cool:
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:undecided: :laugh:
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you know u want my pink route finder :grin:
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nah he wants some pink furry dice :grin:
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if u drill holes in em they make ur car go faster :grin:
we're in so much trouble :laugh:
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lol...
time to get smutty... i try not to coz i'm dead crude like :P
any of the girls got a vibe that runs off the ciggie lighter? :cool:
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You dont need to tho do ya seer with all them rattles you got lol :grin:
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Nah just go over cobbles in the mk1
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^ shame my mk3 is luxurious :P
You dont need to tho do ya seer with all them rattles you got lol :grin:
hey i got rid of em all bar one now n that only happens if i floor it... :cool:
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LOL - so - they didnt produce a 16V Colour Concept?
I look at my V5, and i see:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/mosdefo/16vgti.jpg)
Have the DVLA got it wrong? Or am i the idiot who cudnt tell if it is 8V or 16V.
Looking through the docs yesterday night - they all list it as 16V........ :shocked:
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"Also in late 1995 VW introduced the Mk3 Golf GTI 8v 'Colour Concept' which combined a limited range of body colours with matching leather Recaro interiors, all based on the 8v Mk3 Golf GTI. The Salsa Green and Yellow cars proved very difficult to sell when new as a car with just a body colour like this has a limited market let alone when the interior is equally as 'exuberant'. Flash Red and Jazz Blue (very different to the MkIV Golf shade) were reasonably popular and Diamond Black, which in a way made a mockery of the whole idea was the pick of the bunch as a black Golf GTI with a heated black leather Recaro interior is the essence of desirability and good taste. Silver instruments dials were common to all the colours and are not too unsightly. This model carried on to the end of Mk3 Golf production and was never available with the 16v engine which in a way is a pity. The Colour Concept returned with the Mk4 Golf but this time in both Cabrio and hatchback versions."
http://www.volkswizard.co.uk/vwbrochures.htm
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eh? silver dials were only on anniversaries.. and to my knowledge the mk3 leather seated cars dont have recaro's
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mosdef... you dont know if its a 16v or not?! pop the bonnet...
and look for a big shiny thing with "DOHC 16v" cast in it
here's a pic of my engine bay.. http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/gallery/displayimage.php?album=36&pos=5
from the outside.. on a 16v there should be badges in the following locations.
- front grille red '16v' badge.. often missing. about a fiver from VW.
- side trims by the rear wheel arches should have "GTI" badges on both sides
- the back of the car should have "Golf GTI" and underneath in small red "16v"
if you have red seatbelts, silver dials etc its a anniversary model..
so what u got?
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The car's gone in for the cambelt and service etc.
It has silver dials - but no red belts.
Looking at your engine bay (nice) - mine is different - so its probably the 8V :embarassed: - but i shall chk again....
Outside - on the sides it says Colour concept and on the heated recaros it says Colour concept.
"and to my knowledge the mk3 leather seated cars dont have recaro's"
My Recaros are heated and leather and in a MK3 :laugh: - Which if im honest - made me buy the car :evil:
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hmm thats odd.. i'm very surprised the V5 says 16v if its really not one!!
btw.. my mk3 has leather heated seats.. they're not recaro's though.
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What wheels have you got mosdef?
9 spoke gti ones or 6 spoke bbs solitudes?
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Not only the V5 but all the service history (VW) and some other documents all list the car as 16V. I forgot to actually ask the Owner :embarassed:
Although driving it i would bet my life its a 8V. Iv asked the guys doing the service to check it out.
Well whatever it is - i cant wait to really open it up... :evil:
Im not sure about the wheels mate - i forgot.... :lipsrsealed:
P.S. This is my first VW - as no doubt you have noticed :grin:
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get some pics up mate :)
i don't know much about colour concepts apart from that they came in funky colors..
if all the docs and your v5 really do say 16v and its not one i'd really look into that!
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Hmmm,
When you put it like that it is slightly disconcerting.... :huh:
Im expecting a call any minute from Awesome GTi - Hopefully they can explain.
The CConcept's really did have some funky colours - Thank God i found a black one!
The Alloys are in a pretty bad state - I prob need sum new BBS rims - Whats the max size i can get away with? i was thinking 16's but i dont wana mess with lowering/shocks/suspension jargon - would it be fine just to lump them on?
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did CC's really come in black? seems a weird thing to have as a concept colour when it was available in that colour anyways..
you know which black your car is? i think there were 2 or 3 variants.. theres a shiny black normally called "diamond black" and theres a metallic black called "black magic" (which is what mine is..) i think this was also called "space black" by Seat.
when you get the car back if you look inside the boot under the carpet there will be a white sticker (i put a pic of mine in my gallery) and it lists all the paint codes.. and actually.. it says the engine thats in the car too!
so a pic of that will help a lot!
the stock alloys are 15" ones (the anniversary cars came with 16"s") 17"s go on too as long as its not been lowered too much.
from sounds of it your car could have already been modded..
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Yea it is weird - but it is defo a Black CConcept. - Not sure about the paint style.
The car is due back tomorrow so il take the pic as you described.
Thanks for the help.
Ta
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when you get the car back if you look inside the boot under the carpet there will be a white sticker (i put a pic of mine in my gallery) and it lists all the paint codes.. and actually.. it says the engine thats in the car too!
so a pic of that will help a lot!
No white sticker mate - only the spare wheel :undecided: - could it be anywhere else?
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There should be an identical sticker on the first page of the service book.
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did CC's really come in black? seems a weird thing to have as a concept colour when it was available in that colour anyways..
you know which black your car is? i think there were 2 or 3 variants.. theres a shiny black normally called "diamond black" and theres a metallic black called "black magic" (which is what mine is..) i think this was also called "space black" by Seat.
when you get the car back if you look inside the boot under the carpet there will be a white sticker (i put a pic of mine in my gallery) and it lists all the paint codes.. and actually.. it says the engine thats in the car too!
so a pic of that will help a lot!
the stock alloys are 15" ones (the anniversary cars came with 16"s") 17"s go on too as long as its not been lowered too much.
from sounds of it your car could have already been modded..
diamond ' black magic' pearl is all one colour. i think there is only one more black for vw but don't know what it is called. Seat and Audi use mainly same colours they just have different names for them
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Thanks Jte, Got It! First Page of service book :smiley:
Also found the original purchase reciept for the car - Guess how much it rolled out for in 1997? £16, 876 - Woaw :shocked:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/mosdefo/P04-26-05_12.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/mosdefo/7995c6f2.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/mosdefo/f472153b.jpg)
The V5....
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/mosdefo/16vgti.jpg)
The MAF.... LOL :laugh:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/mosdefo/P04-23-05_13.jpg)
My Car...
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/mosdefo/P04-25-05_17.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/mosdefo/P04-13-05_09.jpg)
Sorry about the poor quality photos, i only have a digi camera on my phone. Will get some better ones of the car soon for my sig etc.
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Its deffo an 8v then, 85kw = 115 bhp  :laugh:
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Yep, AGG = 8v.
Although it could have had a 16v engine put in and the reg details changed accordingly. Get a pic of your engine up :smiley:
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stop right there guys..
the log book could have come from any old car... simple mix up during its life.
the v5 is less likely to have... which means its wrong if this car really is an 8v
mosdef... do all the numbers tie up ? against the books and car itself.
and can we have a shot of your engine bay please :)
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Which numbers? VIN etc? Yea they all match and HPI is clear...
OK here are the images of the engine - 8V i believe.... although i havnt had a chance to check the cars performance after 3000 RPM.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/mosdefo/7d42f8d4.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/mosdefo/5a2bcfc1.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/mosdefo/763818aa.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/mosdefo/e2d5e7d4.jpg)
Is the below the MAF & THrottle body right? Where does the throttle body end?
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/mosdefo/efc981af.jpg)
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thats def not a 16v.. its seems way smaller! looks like plenty of space to work in the engine bay.
so looks like your v5 is wrong.
its odd that you have the battery bag.. the 8v boys on here were moaning their cars dont have any
do you have any of the following?
- sound deadening under the bonnet
- a plastic plate underneath the engine
they were moaning they didnt have those either :grin:
the throttle body is the metal stuff directory after the big fat pipe that comes from the airbox.
if you undo the clip you can peek in and see the butterfly.
a shot of the "colour concept" badge would be nice. cant remember what one looks like...
and btw. your car is the exact same colour as mine :)
welcome to the world of bi-weekly car washing... LOL! ;)
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Yep looks like the V5 is wrong. Well il get it checked out later. If this car was 16V i dont think i would ever let it go LOL.
Next car will be a 16V MK3 - Its a MUST!
Battery bag is there - yes, but erm sound deadening???
- sound deadening under the bonnet - what does it look like?
- a plastic plate underneath the engine - i think i got this - from what i can see.....
Yea i knew this colour would mean weekly washing but hey - Its looks great - and its worth it :grin:
Colour Concept...
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/mosdefo/concept.jpg)
Thanks to everybody for their help
Much appreciated
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on the underside of the bonnet is there any kind of material?
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definately an 8v with a AGG engine code and power of 85KW a 16v is 110KW
same colour as mine as well LC9Z.
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Well - fitted my new MAF yesterday & cleaned the throttle body..... :rolleyes:
&..............
Its running like a dream - awesome - im chuffed :laugh:
I wanted to say thanks to Overseer, Jte, VR6, and everybody else who helped - you guys saved me hundreds - no doubt.
Much appreciated - and il make sure the knowledge is passed on.
Ta :cool: