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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: Andy P on 13 July 2011, 20:44
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Hi guys. Sorry to be one of them but can anyone help me out with what I need to complete a VR6 conversion? I'm on my phone and the search function doesn't work too good! A chap is selling "all" the bits to convert to a VR6. I just needed to double check what I would need.
My car is the later Mk2 with the hazard switch on the steering column if that makes a difference for ecu purposes?
Cheers
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www.mk2vr6.com
Answer answered ;)
There are so many variations of what makes a full kit, so your best bet is to start with that forum and check through all the stikied threads on there.
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Why do so many do this conversion!? Its a fat and thirsty lump
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Why do so many do this conversion!? Its a fat and thirsty lump
Why do some men shag fat lasses? Its not something I would ever want to do but that doesnt mean that there arent people out there that do it every day and enjoy it :sick:. Dont forget, just because you dont get it, doesnt mean its wrong :laugh:.
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Why do so many do this conversion!? Its a fat and thirsty lump
Why do some men shag fat lasses? Its not something I would ever want to do but that doesnt mean that there arent people out there that do it every day and enjoy it :sick:. Dont forget, just because you dont get it, doesnt mean its wrong :laugh:.
I dont get it on the following grounds:
Its f**king heavy
Its underpowered for a 2.8
Its thirsty, very thirsty
It f**ks the handling
Its has naff all tunability.
If i were doing a conversion it would be 1.8T, no question
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Why do so many do this conversion!? Its a fat and thirsty lump
Because its fast and produces lots of torque, and you can pick a lump up for next to nothing.
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For a budget I reckon an abf swap offers better bang/buck ratio, those extra few kgs of the vr probably soak up the 20 or so bhp gain, but ok so the torque must be better.. I'd like to see a standard abf mk2 vs a standard vr6 mk2 alongside each other from standstill.. When it comes to spending that bit more £'s I'd have to go 1.8t. Abf for cheap / few hundred £, 20vt for all out speed + 'coolness/grinning factor'
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ABF is probably the best bet in a mk2.
VR and 1.8T are both heavy lumps. However VR's are very cheap to source and can easily be tuned up to 200bhp.
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A 1.8t surely is a lot lighter than a vr, even with turbo etc attached?? I wouldn't call a 1.8t heavy, not by any means, as the power + torque soon makes up for it..I like my abf mk2, but in straight lines my mates 20vt mk2 ruins me, different league style..
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I can't remember the actual figures, but you would be very surprised, the 1.8T is virtually as heavy as a vr.
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ABF is probably the best bet in a mk2.
VR and 1.8T are both heavy lumps. However VR's are very cheap to source and can easily be tuned up to 200bhp.
+1 on this the 1.8t is not a light lump by any means.. you also add extra weight by adding FMIC and pipework.. a turbo which aint light. etc etc... the only plus points is if you choose the right lump you can get 240bhp+ with just a recirc valve.. airfilter and a remap which makes it a great engine despite the weight.. also i paid £450 for afully rebuilt ABF engine and box with diesel 4th and 5th.. you couldnt really get a decent secondhand 1.8t for that especially not a BAM/APY one..
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Its probably down to budget and taste.
Although the 1.8T is the most tuneable, it is also the most expensive.
The reason why the VR isn't as heavy as people think is its not really a proper V6.
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exactly all down to £££ at end of day
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I dont get it on the following grounds:
Its f**king heavy
Its underpowered for a 2.8
Its thirsty, very thirsty
It f**ks the handling
Its has naff all tunability.
If i were doing a conversion it would be 1.8T, no question
That is a typical answer from someone that has clearly had no first had experience from either.
1 - its not that much heavier than a 1.8t lump
2 - its not thirsty if you drive it normally. Can easily get 30+mpg out of it
3 - Myths of it screwing the handling is exactly that. Sure its not going to have a positive effect on the handling, but you certainly can still throw it around corners much like any other engine in a mk2. Unless your on the track and have the surname Hamilton its not going to make a blind bit of noticeable difference. It doesnt suddenly turn into a scaffolding pole round a corner like some people (usually non vr mk2 owners) make it out for you to believe.
4 - can be done on the cheap if you wanted. Sub 600 notes I think i could do a full conversion for now for all the bells and whistles.
Just sticking up for the team ;) haha
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I dont get it on the following grounds:
Its f**king heavy
Its underpowered for a 2.8
Its thirsty, very thirsty
It f**ks the handling
Its has naff all tunability.
If i were doing a conversion it would be 1.8T, no question
That is a typical answer from someone that has clearly had no first had experience from either.
1 - its not that much heavier than a 1.8t lump
2 - its not thirsty if you drive it normally. Can easily get 30+mpg out of it
3 - Myths of it screwing the handling is exactly that. Sure its not going to have a positive effect on the handling, but you certainly can still throw it around corners much like any other engine in a mk2. Unless your on the track and have the surname Hamilton its not going to make a blind bit of noticeable difference. It doesnt suddenly turn into a scaffolding pole round a corner like some people (usually non vr mk2 owners) make it out for you to believe.
4 - can be done on the cheap if you wanted. Sub 600 notes I think i could do a full conversion for now for all the bells and whistles.
Just sticking up for the team ;) haha
Something about "haters"... :grin:
Mine handles no worse than my old 8v GTI :rolleyes:
As a comparison, I drove an S3 (MY 2000) the other day and it sounded sh!t. Plus there was no bottom end power.
I'd rather have my lazy, torquey, all-bark no-bite VR thank you!
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I actually miss my old mk3 VR, i had it chipped, k&n and full jetex exhaust.
Its obviously not as fast as the A8, but it was pretty fast and made a glorious noise :laugh:
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I actually miss my old mk3 VR, i had it chipped, k&n and full jetex exhaust.
Its obviously not as fast as the A8, but it was pretty fast and made a glorious noise :laugh:
Oh the noise. I'd rather have a 174bhp angry sounding 6cyl lump than a 210bhp wheezy sounding 1.8T :grin:
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I driven both 150 and 180bhp 1.8T, massively overrated in my opinion.
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I driven both 150 and 180bhp 1.8T, massively overrated in my opinion.
the S3 i drove last week with 4wd and 210bhp was still uninspiring and sounded like a corsa
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all the stuff to fit a 20vt makes it near th same weight as a vr but vr6'ss sit very high and forward
with the 20vt the intercoolers are forward but low down. but more inportantly the leans back in the bay and the turbo ect hangs off the back of it
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I driven both 150 and 180bhp 1.8T, massively overrated in my opinion.
:shocked: I am well happy with mine. :smiley:
1.8t or ABF in a mk2 is still a good choice.
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What i meant Wayne is the performance is overrated, the 180bhp 1.8T didn't feel as good as my old VR6.
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What i meant Wayne is the performance is overrated, the 180bhp 1.8T didn't feel as good as my old VR6.
:undecided: Seems quick enough to me, VR has the noise however
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What i meant Wayne is the performance is overrated, the 180bhp 1.8T didn't feel as good as my old VR6.
:undecided: Seems quick enough to me, VR has the noise however
I didn't say it was slow, that's not what i'm saying. After reading what people post on here, you would expect a real performance car, its not that really. Quick but not that fast :smiley:
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just do what my mate has done 4.2l v8 single turbo rs4 engine i believe.. its in the back so thats helped his handling no ?? its also rwd which everyone says is best ?? its not the best but its fast in a straight line and looks the bollocks.. im fitting a abf but for the looks the vr in the bay looks awesome imo :smiley:
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People do the VR6 conversion because it's easy, they like the numbers V6 2.8/2.9 and they sound great.
I could ask, why do people always do 20vt conversions?... why do people do so many conversions full stop, what happened to making best of what you've got! :grin:
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I started this thread as a cheap vr block, box etc came upfront £200 which I thought was a good price, but I wasn't 100% on what else was needed. I decided against it in the end as I'm going to spend the money making the mk2 better, not faster.
The 20v doesn't interest me much either. It has no character. This is Part the reason why the mk4 was so bland IMO.
Currently mine is a 8v which is 16v pace it's not fast but it's fun with peaky power. I though the vr would be similar? Just with the noise to go with it :)
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You cannot compare a standard 150/180 20vt in a mk4 or similar platform to a 230+bhp one in a mk2. Sure, they're pretty quiet in standard trim, but I'm guessing you've never been in a turbo nutter bastard mk2. When tuned the noises are awesome, the spooling up sound coming on boost, the whistle, pops and 2ft flames from the exhaust, the dumping between gears, the general air rushing sound, combined with a good speed sensation, all that sounds so much better than bwaaaaaah like you get from a vr or abf kjet airbox. I've got an abf mk2, and I like how it goes and sounds, but my pals 20vt ruins it in performance, sound, mpg, and general awesomeness when you start pushing tvr's, evo's, scoobies etc out the way its no comparison really.. Characterless?! Never heard such tosh! More like smooth and subtle power rather than all noise! 20vt is an awesome engine when its in the right shell with the right mods