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Title: DSG v Manual
Post by: Snooze on 08 July 2011, 20:09
Im a bit harsh on my clutches for some reason.  Ive had new gearboxes and clutches in 2 out of the 5 cars I have owned.

Ive had my Mk5 Golf gti 16 months and my clutch doesn't feel like it used too!  Ive got my car on lease hire and I will be getting a new car in November 2012.  Im seriously considering going for a DSG.  Other than checking the mechatronics are there any downsides with the DSG?  For example is there any difference in fuel consumption? 

Any opinions would be gratefully received.  Cheers
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: Wayne on 08 July 2011, 21:29
I would stick with manual given the choice.
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: richw911 on 08 July 2011, 22:06
*Waits for Saint Steve's response*  :laugh:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: Steve30 on 09 July 2011, 07:15
DSG all the way , what with paddle shift miles better than stick shift  :cool:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: tech1889 on 09 July 2011, 10:13
DSG all the way , what with paddle shift miles better than stick shift  :cool:

+1 on this I picked up my A3 on Thursday night and have done 250+ miles so far and all I can say is it's absolutely fantastic.. It's smooth on gear changes in auto.. Sport mode for me nearly takes it to redline.. Kick down is great :)... Then you have added bonus of paddleshift which is a hoot better on my own as I'm still a bit jerky with it  :grin: :grin:

All I will say is don't go from manual (dsg) into sport as it chucks the car into emergency stop which is not cool as I found out  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: AlanD on 09 July 2011, 11:01
I personally love the manual. You need to give DSG a test drive (ideally for as long as possible) and see what you think.
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: Saint Steve on 10 July 2011, 18:14
*Waits for Saint Steve's response*  :laugh:

Manual for me









































yeah right  :laugh:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: richw911 on 10 July 2011, 20:45
lol ^^^  :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: MAW73 on 13 July 2011, 15:50
Got to be DSG all the way.... seriously once you go DSG your never go back to manual.

My Mk6 has done 27K now and the DSG hasn't skipped a beat ( famous last words )  :grin:

Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: tech1889 on 13 July 2011, 20:23
Got to be DSG all the way.... seriously once you go DSG your never go back to manual.

My Mk6 has done 27K now and the DSG hasn't skipped a beat ( famous last words )  :grin:



mines 133k with no problems so far  :cool:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: RTechUK on 13 July 2011, 21:28
I would love to own a mk5 gti dsg..  When I test drive customer cars with dsg I tend to take twice as long enjoying the easy lazy ride.
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: Gene Hunt. on 14 July 2011, 10:43
Manual for me & glad i did. Too many people having problems with the ''mechatronics unit'' on the DSG boxes now & it's not a cheap fix. :sad:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: MAW73 on 14 July 2011, 11:13
There's nothing worse sitting in a long and slow traffic jam in and out of a bloody gear all the time manually. Lazy I know but having an auotmatic gear box is small bonus in this situation  :wink:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: RTechUK on 14 July 2011, 12:55
how many of you have had the dsg gearbox ecu mapped?

Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: MaXXeH on 14 July 2011, 13:47
i have driven a mapped dsg,  it is really good fun,   But i like feeling more connected to the car  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: RTechUK on 14 July 2011, 15:31
i have driven a mapped dsg,  it is really good fun,   But i like feeling more connected to the car  :rolleyes:

Revo gear box map and flappy paddles FTW!!
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: MaXXeH on 14 July 2011, 15:51
i have driven a mapped dsg,  it is really good fun,   But i like feeling more connected to the car  :rolleyes:

Revo gear box map and flappy paddles FTW!!

na na na!  my driving FTW!!  :grin:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: The Doc on 14 July 2011, 16:35
DSG is my preference and as posted above they change even faster when remapped  :wink:


Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: tech1889 on 14 July 2011, 17:39
is a dsg map separate from a ecu map ??
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: Saint Steve on 14 July 2011, 17:45
is a dsg map separate from a ecu map ??

Yes it is mate
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: tech1889 on 14 July 2011, 18:10
Oh right every days a school day.. so with just that mapped whats the difference ??
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: RTechUK on 14 July 2011, 19:05
Oh right every days a school day.. so with just that mapped whats the difference ??

I have only mapped the petrol ecus gti dsg ecus with revo, I keep getting TDi customers asking for dsg remaps but don't know of anyone doing them, I know there is a tool the read and write them, it would be good to get a TDi dsg mapped.
As far as I know the dsg ecu is actually inside the ecu, but not 100% as it not what I am doing yet.
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: The Doc on 14 July 2011, 20:01
Our byteshooter will remap the DSG gearboxes, the ECU for DSG 'boxes is located in the gearbox. (IMHO)

PM me for further information  :smiley:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: tech1889 on 14 July 2011, 20:40
Thing is it takes me right up to edge of redline now what would be difference after map ?? higher rev limits ??
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: Rhyso on 14 July 2011, 20:43
Thing is it takes me right up to edge of redline now what would be difference after map ?? higher rev limits ??

Does several things from what I've read

Doesn't change up automatically in manual when you redline it
More aggressive in the normal sport mode

That sort of thing  :smiley:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: Rhyso on 14 July 2011, 20:48
Found this review by Hurdy  :smiley:

What can I say....bloody great bit of software that makes the DSG what it should have been from the factory

7,200rpm shifting ftw. (stock was 6,400rpm )

60% faster shifts up AND down the box

Smoother shifting up and down the box (didn't think this was possible)

Better "blipping" noise from the zorst

Manual mode is now a manual (but if you push it continuously it will push through the rev limiter to the next gear if you want it to) plus no accidental kickdowns.

Faster set off from a standstill

Better torque handling capability (clamping is increased on the clutchplates by increasing the oil pressure(or something like that!!), which means zero clutch slip!! )

Torque limiter relaxed in first and second gears.

60mph is now possible in second gear and 90+ in 3rd. In theory if you had enough power (and a long enough"track") the rev limit in 6th would take you to 205+mph

It now releases the full rpm power potential of the K04, so no more RR days with the box killing the power just over 6200rpm (roll on an Awesome RR day where I had 324bhp last time out)

Option of launching with up to 3,700 revs with launch control (and 4,500 for the R32 boys, which must be handy )
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: RTechUK on 14 July 2011, 20:56
Tfsi dsg offers an awesome launch setting, do the TDi dsg have a launch option? I got one coming in tomorrow with a selector fault, I might have a play afterwards, might get the byteshootet updated aswell and play.
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: Rhyso on 14 July 2011, 20:57
Tfsi dsg offers an awesome launch setting, do the TDi dsg have a launch option? I got one coming in tomorrow with a selector fault, I might have a play afterwards, might get the byteshootet updated aswell and play.

The MK6 GTD TDI has launch control for definite  :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: tech1889 on 14 July 2011, 21:02
from reading that.. i fancy a dsg map but just cant see it being that effective on my tdi compared to a 340+bhp car lol
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: Rhyso on 14 July 2011, 21:04
from reading that.. i fancy a dsg map but just cant see it being that effective on my tdi compared to a 340+bhp car lol

You'd need to remap both to see the full benefit although IMO diesels won't really need it as all their useful power is low down and not towards the top end

Launch control and faster shifts would be useful though  :cool:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: RTechUK on 14 July 2011, 21:05
from reading that.. i fancy a dsg map but just cant see it being that effective on my tdi compared to a 340+bhp car lol


Just look at the post rhyso made above, it seem like remap, dsg and TDi is a good mix :-). If your looking at getting it mapped I will try and find a tuner who writes the maps for them and get the tool updated..... Play time :-)
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: RTechUK on 14 July 2011, 21:07
from reading that.. i fancy a dsg map but just cant see it being that effective on my tdi compared to a 340+bhp car lol

You'd need to remap both to see the full benefit although IMO diesels won't really need it as all their useful power is low down and not towards the top end

Launch control and faster shifts would be useful though  :cool:

They remind me of the old auto layland daf buses on speed!! :-)
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: tech1889 on 14 July 2011, 21:24
would like to see some prices for dsg and stage1 map combined.. cant see tdi dsg map on AMD website so Revo dont offer one for tdi..

I need to come yours soon Nick as ive got to pick up my new panel filter for the A3  :wink:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: Jimmymature on 21 July 2011, 21:01

I've got DSG and I won't be getting a car with it again.  It's great for putting in manual and using flappy paddles on twisty A-roads but I hate it when you put your foot down a little bit in 5th then bam! you're in 3rd driving like a mad man.

Launch control is great to put a smile on your face and suprise passengers  :evil:


Jim


Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: tech1889 on 21 July 2011, 21:28
I'm with you on the acceleration in 5th it can get annoying but I still prefer it as I do a lot of commuting.. If it was a weekend car it would be manual all day long.. Have you had yours mapped ??
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: Jimmymature on 21 July 2011, 22:54
I'm with you on the acceleration in 5th it can get annoying but I still prefer it as I do a lot of commuting.. If it was a weekend car it would be manual all day long.. Have you had yours mapped ??

Not had it mapped yet, still thinking about getting it done.  I want it done but something in the back of my mind keeps stopping me.

I'll get round to it in the next month or so though i think.


Jim
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: Saint Steve on 22 July 2011, 19:19
I'm with you on the acceleration in 5th it can get annoying but I still prefer it as I do a lot of commuting.. If it was a weekend car it would be manual all day long.. Have you had yours mapped ??

Not had it mapped yet, still thinking about getting it done.  I want it done but something in the back of my mind keeps stopping me.

I'll get round to it in the next month or so though i think.


Jim

Get your DSG remapped, and ask yourself the same question  :wink:

DSG is then in full manual and not the kick-down that you hate :wink:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: Jimmymature on 23 July 2011, 12:29
I'm with you on the acceleration in 5th it can get annoying but I still prefer it as I do a lot of commuting.. If it was a weekend car it would be manual all day long.. Have you had yours mapped ??

Not had it mapped yet, still thinking about getting it done.  I want it done but something in the back of my mind keeps stopping me.

I'll get round to it in the next month or so though i think.


Jim

Get your DSG remapped, and ask yourself the same question  :wink:

DSG is then in full manual and not the kick-down that you hate :wink:

I've heard that software isn't available for the MK6, i may be wrong about that though.



Jim
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: 6andy69 on 23 July 2011, 12:30
is the launch conrtol function on 2005 dsg? :huh: im lookingat getting a 55 plate dsg.
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: The Doc on 24 July 2011, 10:31
is the launch conrtol function on 2005 dsg? :huh: im lookingat getting a 55 plate dsg.

Yes it's on there  :wink:

Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: Saint Steve on 24 July 2011, 19:38
I'm with you on the acceleration in 5th it can get annoying but I still prefer it as I do a lot of commuting.. If it was a weekend car it would be manual all day long.. Have you had yours mapped ??

Not had it mapped yet, still thinking about getting it done.  I want it done but something in the back of my mind keeps stopping me.

I'll get round to it in the next month or so though i think.


Jim

Get your DSG remapped, and ask yourself the same question  :wink:

DSG is then in full manual and not the kick-down that you hate :wink:

I've heard that software isn't available for the mk6.I may be wrong about that though.



Jim

And the golf section here is what jimmy ?  :grin:
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: Jimmymature on 24 July 2011, 20:48

I think it's the MK5  :grin:

I was replying to a comment aimed at me telling me to get the software and I was reminding them that I have the inferior MK GTI  :kiss:


Jim
Title: Re: DSG v Manual
Post by: Saint Steve on 25 July 2011, 07:27
Yes your last sentence was correct.. You do have cheaper build mk  :evil: