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Title: 1.2T !?
Post by: scarr89 on 30 June 2011, 14:49
Caught a glimpse of a parked car as I passed it, saw it was an Audi A1 I think and I'm pretty sure I read 1.2T on the back of it? What sort of an engine is that now?
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: shepgti on 30 June 2011, 14:52
1.2t fsi engine.. aka slower than slow engine :grin:

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Summary.aspx?model=1873
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Post by: the_stink on 30 June 2011, 14:57
well i think my dads clio is a 1.2t and its got 100bhp  :grin:
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Post by: Ess_Three on 30 June 2011, 15:05
1.2t fsi engine.. aka slower than slow engine :grin:

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Summary.aspx?model=1873

Really?
105PS and 130 lb-ft...not too shabby from a 1.2!
On road, it goes at least as well as a Mk4 2.0 GTI...at least in my Mothers 1.2T 7 speed DSG Fabia...it's surprisingly swift for such a small motor.
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Post by: Misky on 30 June 2011, 15:10
1.2t fsi engine.. aka slower than slow engine :grin:

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Summary.aspx?model=1873

Really?
105PS and 130 lb-ft...not too shabby from a 1.2!
On road, it goes at least as well as a Mk4 2.0 GTI...at least in my Mothers 1.2T 7 speed DSG Fabia...it's surprisingly swift for such a small motor.


wont be long before bigger turbo's will be added.  How much extra boost you think they can take before uprated internals?
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: the_stink on 30 June 2011, 15:19
they are quite nippy little cars, although im not a huge renault fan the clio does have some poke for what it is he was also looking at trading it in for a twingo sport think they are somehting like 130bhp
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: Ess_Three on 30 June 2011, 15:23
People need to just understand small engines are here to stay...

When you can replace a tall, heavy, inefficient 2.0 8v with a smaller, lighter, 1.2T giving as much torque, not much less power and 30-40% better fuel economy and a way lower tax liability...what's not to like?
Other benefits include better handling and lesser tyre wear...win-win?
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Post by: Jimp on 30 June 2011, 15:39
Remap ftw  :grin:
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Post by: Wayne on 30 June 2011, 15:41
Smaller engines are the future
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Post by: Agreeable Slick on 30 June 2011, 15:41
People need to just understand small engines are here to stay...

When you can replace a tall, heavy, inefficient 2.0 8v with a smaller, lighter, 1.2T giving as much torque, not much less power and 30-40% better fuel economy and a way lower tax liability...what's not to like?
Other benefits include better handling and lesser tyre wear...win-win?

Wait till the 2cylinder diesels start hitting the showrooms. MASS PANIC!!! :shocked:
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: Wayne on 30 June 2011, 16:44
People need to just understand small engines are here to stay...

When you can replace a tall, heavy, inefficient 2.0 8v with a smaller, lighter, 1.2T giving as much torque, not much less power and 30-40% better fuel economy and a way lower tax liability...what's not to like?
Other benefits include better handling and lesser tyre wear...win-win?

Wait till the 2cylinder diesels start hitting the showrooms. MASS PANIC!!! :shocked:

Wtf, what size will they be then.
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 30 June 2011, 16:48
I believe 1.4-1.6, can't quite remember off top of my head
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Post by: Wayne on 30 June 2011, 16:51
I believe 1.4-1.6, can't quite remember off top of my head

What is the thinking behind 2 cylinder then.
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: Horney on 30 June 2011, 17:08
People need to just understand small engines are here to stay...

When you can replace a tall, heavy, inefficient 2.0 8v with a smaller, lighter, 1.2T giving as much torque, not much less power and 30-40% better fuel economy and a way lower tax liability...what's not to like?
Other benefits include better handling and lesser tyre wear...win-win?

Wait till the 2cylinder diesels start hitting the showrooms. MASS PANIC!!! :shocked:

I'll be alright, it's only 1 less than I have already.
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: AlanD on 30 June 2011, 17:57
they are quite nippy little cars, although im not a huge renault fan the clio does have some poke for what it is he was also looking at trading it in for a twingo sport think they are somehting like 130bhp

Theres a Renault fan boy down the road from me with one of them Twingos and a Clip Cup and dare I say it but I really like both of them :shocked:
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: cняis on 30 June 2011, 18:14
People need to just understand small engines are here to stay...

When you can replace a tall, heavy, inefficient 2.0 8v with a smaller, lighter, 1.2T giving as much torque, not much less power and 30-40% better fuel economy and a way lower tax liability...what's not to like?
Other benefits include better handling and lesser tyre wear...win-win?

Wait till the 2cylinder diesels start hitting the showrooms. MASS PANIC!!! :shocked:

Been in the UK for more than 10 years

http://www.rossefield-aixam.co.uk/aixam500.php

those lumpy kubota engines make it sound almost like a scooby  :grin:
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: mart25 on 30 June 2011, 20:43
and bringing a wankel out http://green.autoblog.com/2010/03/01/geneva-preview-audi-a1-e-tron-extended-range-ev-with-wankel-rot/
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: jamie_pyrite on 30 June 2011, 20:48
Well the 3 pot 1.4 tdi engine from the 6n2 polos are amazing! Supposedly they can easily make over 100bhp too.
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: Ant1981 on 30 June 2011, 21:16
People need to just understand small engines are here to stay...

When you can replace a tall, heavy, inefficient 2.0 8v with a smaller, lighter, 1.2T giving as much torque, not much less power and 30-40% better fuel economy and a way lower tax liability...what's not to like?
Other benefits include better handling and lesser tyre wear...win-win?

If you're nailing it, it won't be anymore fuel efficient.
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Post by: Gavv8 on 30 June 2011, 21:30
I must admit to having a real soft spot for the toyota glanza and the nissan cube.
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Post by: cняis on 30 June 2011, 23:34
I must admit to having a real soft spot for the toyota glanza and the nissan cube.

Nissan Cube +1 for its styling statement.

No confusing, messy corners or lines unlike many alternatives (including all the new fords, which look like they've melted)
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: Jimp on 01 July 2011, 13:49
The new Focus looks like a Korean rip off of the last focus. It's disgusting  :sick:
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Post by: Jack3559 on 01 July 2011, 17:55
LOVE NISSAN CUBES
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Post by: Jack3559 on 01 July 2011, 18:06
I also like this though...  :embarassed:

(http://fatlace.com/lacedup/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/march2.jpg)
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Post by: Gavv8 on 01 July 2011, 18:16
I really like that too :embarassed:
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Post by: cняis on 01 July 2011, 22:44
I really like that too :embarassed:

+1 clean lines ftw
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Post by: Gavv8 on 02 July 2011, 09:14
Some of the best cars i've seen have been cleverly modified run of the mill machinery.
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: Jimp on 02 July 2011, 14:47
Some of the best cars i've seen have been cleverly modified run of the mill machinery.
Golfs for example  :lipsrsealed: :grin:
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: danny_p on 03 July 2011, 12:32
we need 2  stroke diesels

obv with dcommon rail injection and plenty of boost
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: Ess_Three on 05 July 2011, 20:58
If you're nailing it, it won't be anymore fuel efficient.

They are though...
Look at a 210 BHP 1.8T vs a 200 BHP Mk5 2.0 TFSI vs a Mk6 2.0 TFSI...they all make the same power, but they get more fuel efficient every generation because FSI allows more precise control of the fuel atomisation, giving a better burn, more power and less fuel drop out...so a 1.2TFSI will usel less fuel than earlier 100+ BHP engines.

A Mk6 GTI is at least 5 MPG better everywhere than a Mk5 GTI...and they are both TFSIs...so what are the gains over non FSI engines?

 
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: cняis on 06 July 2011, 13:38
I think the analogy was between a 1.2T and other, larger capacity engines which require less thrashing to attain the same "flat out" speed/acceleration of a 1.2T.

Take for instance the Top Gear fuel economy test (although not scientific admittedly) between the Prius and an M3 (iirc) which depicted that the Prius aquired lower MPG whilst being thrashed compared the the M3 which had to keep up with it.
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: Jack3559 on 06 July 2011, 13:42
The 330d was more economical than the 320d for that reason.

Returned much better MPG because you barely needed to touch the throttle to go way faster than the 320d did when you were flooring it.
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 06 July 2011, 14:52
Either way a smaller engine will use less fuel, you're not going to put your foot to the floor from the moment you turn the key.
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: Ess_Three on 06 July 2011, 15:01
Either way a smaller engine will use less fuel, you're not going to put your foot to the floor from the moment you turn the key.

Bingo! And a modern engine will always be more efficient than an old engine.
Title: Re: 1.2T !?
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 06 July 2011, 15:23
we need 2  stroke diesels

obv with dcommon rail injection and plenty of boost

Like an old Dockers? :tongue:

Marine 2 strokes, now you're talking :grin:
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Post by: Jimp on 06 July 2011, 15:40
Either way a smaller engine will use less fuel, you're not going to put your foot to the floor from the moment you turn the key.
Never driven a 1.4 mk5 then?  :lipsrsealed: :grin: